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17mika

2017 Garda Moth worlds

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Garda sucks,

so who cares?

 

Lol

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Early entry discounts ends on Tuesday (fully paid-in entries).

 

Already 130 + boats in.

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So with less than 2 months to go, and a record number of entries, this is looking good. Withh the AC done and dusted, there are a few AC sailors heading across to join in the fun.

So in this development class that has seen a bit of shakeup with the Exocets wining in Japan, what will have come out of the past 12 months.

Things we know;

  • AMAC has releases a new suite of foils for the Mach 2,
  • New sail offerings from KA, Lennon, North
  • A few other people have been playing with different foil designs
  • Bowsprits everywhere
  • Lowered rigs and compression bars removed with extensive use of angle grinders
  • The West Aussies have come up with a new style control system

 

Anyone know any other secrets that could be unveiled for the event?

 

Kind of pissed that i can't make it this year due to the bastard known as work.....

 

 

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3 weeks to go actually!

Lots of AC guys coming. Nathan for sure, I don't know about burling. Top sailors confirmed fighting for the win should be Nathan,Greenhalgh, goodison, scott, mcnight. Dylan fletcher,fastest boat in the uk this year, is not coming due to 49er euros.

Regarding new boats, I've seen greenhalgh new boat and it seems an evolution of his last one. He has made custom bent from wingbars at a higher angle (I 'd say close to the rocket ssd) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6gng7OLUTavVzR2UFc3eTRibWM/view?usp=drivesdk

He looks ridicously fast, but honestly he always have been fast. My money's on him

Moreover, there is the rumour that mike lennon is coming with a decksweeper, but not sure.

I'm going to Garda next week, I'll see Who is there already

 

 

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57 minutes ago, 17mika said:

3 weeks to go actually!

 

 

 

Goes to show how much I have tried to avoid looking at it due to the pending depression. anyone know if there will be live coverage?

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I don't know about live. There will be the usual coverage by beau outerrige. I'd expext some live by someome but really not sure 

I've been told burling is coming as well. It will be huuuuuuuuuge!

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Is Burling sober yet?

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Ahahhhh. Good point :D. Regarding boats of the top guys, here's what I know right now:

BOATS/RIG - Burling (mach2  + KA), Outerridge (still on a mach2? I heard rumours of an Exocet), Greenhalgh (Exocet customized + North), Goodison (Exocet + Lennon), Babbage (Mach2 + KA), Mcnight (Monstro + North), Bora Gulari (Exocet customized + North)

Foils: other than the new Mach2 foils (verticals + rudder horizontal), I heard no news of significant foils evolution from other manufacturers. I suspect in 3 weeks we will see something more than what we know now.

Friends yesterday told me upwind numbers of the top guys already there are getting insane. I'll see how slow I am from friday onwards. I guess with my "standard" 15 knots upwind in the breeze I will be lapped pretty easily :D 

Michele

 

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15kts, thats my speed Michele, We can have good racing back in the fleet too.

You should add Bora to your top seeding list, I hear he has done some quiet developments too.

See you on the 20th.

Phil S

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36 minutes ago, Phil S said:

15kts, thats my speed Michele, We can have good racing back in the fleet too.

15kts upwind... sounds like im going to be in the back back back of the fleet  :lol:

should be an awesome week though!

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What were the top guys hitting upwind?

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Surfers and swimmers. 

No jelly fish in garda 

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Surfers, wasps, cats, dinghies, anything basically. I guess only foil Kites cannot be hit :D

Tough to give some numbers for the good guys, because upwind angles matter. All I can say is that a couple of weeks ago in 15 knots and flst water I've seen Rob going consistently faaaaaaast upwind (18?19?) at good angles. scaringly fast.

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What are the typical conditions in Malcesine where the racing is? How strong is the usual afternoon breeze/waves and chop? I've heard slightly less than in the far north part where the moth worlds have been in the past

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It's not usually like this, remember :D

Typical conditions fot the southerly breeze (ora) are very close to those of the 2012 worlds in campione. 12-16 knots with flattish water. If I remember correctly, qualifying rounds will be run in two areas (four fleets) with the norhern areas with typically a couple of knots more than the other one. I'm not sure about the poitioning of the southern area,few hunderd meters could make for a significant difference in wind speed.

Northerly morning breeze is anything from 8 to 20 depending on days amd time on the morning. A bit more choppy than the southerly. If you get specific conditions (ex thunderstorms in the night or gradient wind) northerly can get bigger.

Unless u get a biiiig northerly, waves are generally manageable, even if they are pretty short. Nothing like riva or torbole (2007 worlds)

Breeze is normally pretty stable. Boat speed wins over tactics :) hope that helps

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Its never normal weather for moth worlds. Even at Campioni 5 years ago there were a couple of days where foiling was impossible on the outer course. One of those days probably decided the regatta between Scott and Josh. Hawaii was fickle, Hayling was flat, Sorrento was either too much or too little, too hot or too cold, Japan missed a few days too. The last worlds with "normal" local weather was Belmont. 

 So no matter what Malcesine is normally, history shows that we will get something out of the ordinary.

 

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Ahah Phil. you're right I guess. Biggest fear, being quite far into the summer, is that we get a period of very hot days when the Ora doesn't fill-in completely. FVM is slightly better than campione in that regard though, because north of the town of Malcesine (just before FVM) usually is where the breeze start to fill even in the "bad" Ora days.

-1 to Garda for me!

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On 7/5/2017 at 6:59 AM, Phil S said:

Its never normal weather for moth worlds. Even at Campioni 5 years ago there were a couple of days where foiling was impossible on the outer course. One of those days probably decided the regatta between Scott and Josh. Hawaii was fickle, Hayling was flat, Sorrento was either too much or too little, too hot or too cold, Japan missed a few days too. The last worlds with "normal" local weather was Belmont. 

 So no matter what Malcesine is normally, history shows that we will get something out of the ordinary.

 

Perth 2019 - ready to buck the trend.

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Not sure about Perth. Been there twice now for the nationals and the Doctor was on leave both times. But if Perth wins the bid, I'll certainly be there.

 

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where and when 2018?

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23 minutes ago, High Flow said:

where and when 2018?

Bermuda. Not sure the dates, but apparently all the AC sailors are going to be there for it because they live in Bermuda...

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2018 Bermuda,  in May I think.

 

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My regatta really bad, but it's fun. hopefully I will be more in the pack tomorrow morning

Lighter air than expected. Yesterday 10-15 in the morning and 10 in the afternoon. Today 3 races in 6-10 knots.

Rob Greenhalgh is killing it. Clear boatspeed advantage over everybody else in all conditions.

Regarding kit, not huge surprises yet. All uk boats have insane kicker systems (minimum 48:1). Some nice big foils made in Italy on scott and some other mach2. Scott's boat looks pretty slick too.

Word is there are some pretty insane rigs coming for worlds. But I guess it will be tough for everybody to beat rob, unless somebody really creates something significantly faster that current sails.

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Is there any data on what speeds the top guys are achieving both upwind and downwind? While I realise that vmg is more important, the headline figures are always interesting.

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I have none. There should be tracking at the worlds though,so we'll see.

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On 07/07/2017 at 5:45 PM, SeaWay said:

Bermuda. Not sure the dates, but apparently all the AC sailors are going to be there for it because they live in Bermuda...

Won't they be shipped off to NZ around that time?

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14 hours ago, BR3232 said:

Won't they be shipped off to NZ around that time?

Exactly. The AC sailors being in Bermuda was one of their selling points for holding the regatta there. My comment was tongue in cheek.

 

SW

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In the meantime sunday morning was glam conditions. I'm starting to believe that if the weather stays this hot, the best conditions will be in the morning races. Afternoon races could be in Big foils conditions.

On sunday some big guys (Jensen, Mcnight, Slingsby) arrived and started assembling boats. It's getting closer and closer.

I'll be back on sunday, to run some measurements and hopefully do a bit of practice.

Michele

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Word is that bora is not going after all. Are many people already there practicing?

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243 on the entry list with about 5 known drop outs. Still a huge moth fleet.

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Phil,

Any insight on the design of Josh's boat?

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Josh's and Reece's boats are based on the Monstro design by Dave Lister from 2010. Intended for Belmont worlds but not ready in time. The molds were made in Italy and a couple of boats made there, and then the molds were brought to Sydney and about 4 more were made here. Keagan York has one of these at Malcesine. 

Josh and Reece have cut down the freeboard and redesigned the deck and wings, so only the Mostro hull shape is left. Reece has been full time on the project for several months. They were working on new foil designs but I am not sure  what got completed in time. They have done a very nice job of the layout, the construction and the finish. Very impressive boats.

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Thank you.  

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On 7/11/2017 at 2:24 PM, sailing123 said:

Word is that bora is not going after all.

Says who?

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Ask Clean, he always seems to know what is up with Bora !

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Very good.

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news to me.  i'll ask him today.

 

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Confirmed.  Bora's out.  Got a major life change coming up and he's gotta deal with that.  Good stuff though, never thought I'd see him get so mature to blow off a worlds for love!

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Big southerly today! 16-18 knots. Lots of boats training and usual suspects looking fast.

I agree with phil, Josh's boats looks sweet, with very cool wings shape and some ridicously stiff trmps. Also Some new deck sweepers on the water (rob gough from down under and  benoit marie with an insane double s boom). Lots of foil pimping/finishing job from the ac pros. I had not noticed before that latest exocet have a strange metal bulb which moves rudder horizonatal back few cm, a bit like the latest mach foil. Is that to get more foil separation or what else?

I hope the club can organize well the logistics,cause it's starting to get pretty crowded in there. Probably now 140+ boats on land and 70 in the water

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any photos available of the Monstro Moths ? and any new 'break throughs'

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Thanks for all the information so far. Keep it coming guys!

A shore bound Mothie.

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FUNDAMENTAL MEASUREMENTS (communication to all competitors to be sent shortly)

Everyone who has not been already able to obtain a valid measurement certificate for his boat or sail is urgently required to book a slot on the web excel, where every measurer is publishing his availabilities in a separate sheet (look through the sheets!). If you have any specific inquiry please contact us at imca.italy@gmail.com

https://docs.google.com/…/1lXxH1-sr97vyfIWcrE_EDUcsAk…/edit…

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On 7/15/2017 at 5:55 AM, MR.CLEAN said:

Confirmed.  Bora's out.  Got a major life change coming up and he's gotta deal with that.  Good stuff though, never thought I'd see him get so mature to blow off a worlds for love!

He posted a video today from Garda...change of plans?

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NiceNew mach2 foil in burling boat.

Reeeeeally small flap though. Probably a handful in waves

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4 hours ago, 17mika said:

NiceNew mach2 foil in burling boat.

Reeeeeally small flap though. Probably a handful in waves

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Maybe Blair is controlling it from the beach riding a bike. Does Pete's new boat have a wand?

 

SW

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It has whatever is the latest gear.  Watch the video on SailWorld.

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17 hours ago, WCB said:

He posted a video today from Garda...change of plans?

No, he's there, just not sailing the moth.  Nacra 17 training with Santi and some other guys for a while.

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2 hours ago, DtM said:

It has whatever is the latest gear.  Watch the video on SailWorld.

link?

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will/have we seen an appearance of a rigid wing moth?

i've seen a guy with one around on facebook and it doesn't look slow

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16 hours ago, DtM said:

Thank you Jonas, it is.

No worries 

 

15 hours ago, bangbang said:

Results After 3 race on day 1 of the Italian Nationals.

http://myregata.it/en/2017/2/italian-moth-series

Usual suspects in the lead. Seems like eg NO and TS decided to drop out of the last race

 

13 minutes ago, MR PLOW 270 said:

will/have we seen an appearance of a rigid wing moth?

i've seen a guy with one around on facebook and it doesn't look slow

Didn't Dylan Fletcher, the uk champ have one?I think that he isn't racing in these worlds. 

Probably fast, but not nice to travel with

 

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Where are the US Moth sailors? They've got 3 guys at the IT Moths. 84,149,150. 3 guys out of 150 with 2 of them sitting on the dock.

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In the entries, there are 2 kiwi's, a Brit and an Aus all representing the Yacht club RBYC - who is RBYC - a club of convenience perhaps?

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Burton is another who could surprise a few and should be good for a top 10. He's been putting in some solid hours on Lake Macquarie over the last 12 months or so.

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1 hour ago, Nervous said:

In the entries, there are 2 kiwi's, a Brit and an Aus all representing the Yacht club RBYC - who is RBYC - a club of convenience perhaps?

Royal Bermuda.  America's Cuppers?

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6 hours ago, Nervous said:

In the entries, there are 2 kiwi's, a Brit and an Aus all representing the Yacht club RBYC - who is RBYC - a club of convenience perhaps?

Not necessarily the same club. At least one RBYC in Australia, UK and India

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Royal BXXXX Yacht Club probely a left over of the influance in those countries by the brits. Or just a coincidance.  Bombay, Brighton, Bermuda etc pick a name with a B and a country with a King/ Queen or ruled by a King/ Queen as a oversea part of their country  

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It's on! 4 fleets of 55 boats for the qualifiers.

Tomorrow is looking problematic,with big northerlies in the morning, which will mean probably very light southerlies in the affernoon.

I'm going out on the yellow fleet at 1pm. Outerridge, watch out! :D

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On 1/17/2017 at 5:36 AM, johnfreame said:

250 entries is my bet

Any sign of Spithill, J. ?

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On 7/24/2017 at 4:58 PM, jonas a said:

Not necessarily the same club. At least one RBYC in Australia, UK and India

There's quite a few Red Brick Yacht Clubs on beaches around Australia.

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3 minutes ago, Last Post said:

Any sign of Spithill, J. ?

He is busy big boating.

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1 minute ago, trt131 said:

He is busy big boating.

Surely not with Dean Barker on Rambler 88? LOL

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Hey Mika,  NO is very worried !!!

Good luck.  I am envious and too old.

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2 hours ago, Last Post said:

Any sign of Spithill, J. ?

no way he would show up.

What would he want at the Moth's? We was never a good Moth sailor and there are no press conferences.

Not saying he's a bad sailor or could compete with him.

 

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I think Dean showed up in Sorrento. Didn't do too badly

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1 hour ago, High Flow said:

no way he would show up.

What would he want at the Moth's? We was never a good Moth sailor and there are no press conferences.

Not saying he's a bad sailor or could compete with him.

 

He is sailing the eighth VOR 65 with Larry, and Russel 

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