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What a blast... I now am the proud owner of a dragon force 65... Fast fun and cheap and surprisingly close to the real thing. Originally posted image n dinghy anarchy but as was pointed out.... They are small but they are not dinghies.

The best fun I have had in ages... Anyone else out there ?

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Lots of 'Used to Be's have taken up RC sailing.

First time I visited the Florida lake where I saw a bunch of various sized craft, lo, there was some guys I'd raced with 50 years before.

Believe me, the racing is just as technical and intense. But the other sailor is within arms reach.

I enjoy my RC Laser.

But I'm past the competitive edge once enjoyed.

I'd rather be the Race Official for the big events and just enjoy the weekly sailing gatherings.

Dave Ellis

Tampa Bay, er Freedom Lake, Florida

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Oh i know but I cannot get too excited about race management. There are many who are better than me at that ...But sailing these things is totally fun. I am hooked

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I got two RC Lasers on a whim. They've become my lunch break or post work chill when sailing doesn't make sense (too little time, partially frozen lake, etc.). I leave them rigged in the closet at work and walk right out.

We've done a bit of match racing but would love to try fleet racing but can't imagine the confusion.

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You know you will get both... I have sailed both.. Albeit the 65 for longer. The 65 is more common, cheaper, and there are plenty of clubs racing it. The 95 is faster. The 65 is easier to transport and looks nicer IMO.

The 65 is harder to sail fast and mistakes are punished, so racing is more intense. The 95 had more momentum and is better mannered in a blow.

 

It depends on your local club... Ar there loads of 95s close then there will be racing. If not then the 65 is a better choice... As you are likely to find more local to you and of you have to set up a new club, it being cheaper will appeal to more

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http://nanaimorclaser.ca

 

We even have an "ocean race" around one of the local islands with chase boats and both an RC Laser class and an open class with multihulls and IOM's.

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http://nanaimorclaser.ca

 

We even have an "ocean race" around one of the local islands with chase boats and both an RC Laser class and an open class with multihulls and IOM's.

 

Remind me what the name of that race is. We had a guy a few years ago contact us about building him a 2M for a distance race out by you, pretty sure it's the same one.

We started doing these larger boats after racing the RC series in Antigua with our prototype "The Box". It's also run with chase boats and is in a large harbor in very rough conditions (for models). A fun event! 3 classes 5,6 & 7 footer open monohull.

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What a blast... I now am the proud owner of a dragon force 65... Fast fun and cheap and surprisingly close to the real thing. Originally posted image n dinghy anarchy but as was pointed out.... They are small but they are not dinghies.

The best fun I have had in ages... Anyone else out there ?

I started playing around with RC boats about three years ago when I found a complete Victoria at our local thrift shop. I did not sail it until this year when I finally completed the rigging improvements. But then a friend said that they had two more Victorias still in boxes and did I want them? By the time we transacted the deal, a Northwind 36/600 (also still in the box) was added to the sale.

I have been having fun with the rigging and painting the hulls.

 

My elderly dad is really interested in this project and calls me daily to check on my profess. When they are done, he wants me to take them to his retirement home and put on a display.

 

The Victorias are raced in Seattle a couple times a month. I may go try racing someday.

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The triplets. The white one was the first and my test boat.

 

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The Northwind 36/600

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Light winds

The black boat needs more twist on the jib

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Ease and a little more twist in both, I'd say.

 

I sail a Soling 1M mostly as a social activity. Half a dozen guys have various kinds of boats in our neighborhood. It's a lot less work to get in an hour's sail with the RC models than it is for the real boats... I must be getting lazy... :(

 

FB- Doug

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We have about 20 CR-914's at Lake Lanier, GA. They race every Friday - 10:00am, although only 5-6 show up regularly.

 

 

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We have over 20 CR914's in our Buzzards Bay Model Yacht Club fleet. We race at NBYC every Sunday 10 am-noon starting mid October until early May.

We take the summer off to sail big boats.

Lots of fun and great racing with a good bunch of guys.

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My RC cruiser, IOM sail on USOM carbon rig on 48" long mahogany and carbon platform.

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Thats the beauty of these boats - the really respond to a good furtle - tune them correctly and your racing is fun - a small thing out and yu ae down the fleet - Fantastic

 

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Ease and a little more twist in both, I'd say.

 

 

FB- Doug

 


This is beautiful

And don't forget the ability to build classics of the past. Here's a 36 inch LOA Sonder.

 

Cheers,

Earl

 

 

 

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Spinnaker one-designs: fully gybable, set/douse 2-3 seconds---

 

 

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You could always find a balance between small enough to toss in the pond and large enough to cross an ocean...

 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lReTd6V33MM

 

 

 

.. But seriously, i've wanted to get into RC sailboats for awhile. I think it would be awesome to hook up a live feed from the stern with a fish-eye shot showing the trim and surrounding and a super long range remote-thingy.

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Lots of 'Used to Be's have taken up RC sailing.

First time I visited the Florida lake where I saw a bunch of various sized craft, lo, there was some guys I'd raced with 50 years before.

Believe me, the racing is just as technical and intense. But the other sailor is within arms reach.

I enjoy my RC Laser.

But I'm past the competitive edge once enjoyed.

I'd rather be the Race Official for the big events and just enjoy the weekly sailing gatherings.

Dave Ellis

Tampa Bay, er Freedom Lake, Florida

A friend named Curtis in St. Pete got into this about a year ago. He's addicted. Started out with a Soling, but then quickly moved up. You may know him, I think his current boat is "Startled Varmit" (Yes I know it's spelled wrong...:D)

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Here's Halsey Herreshoff being introduced to radio sailing by John Snow, president of the US Vintage Model Yacht Group at Redd's Pond in Marblehead, 2009. Halsey was the dinner speaker after the days Vintage racing, and he began by saying "You people are just as dedicated and passionate as the big boat sailors -- and just as cut-throat on the water." (No quarter was given that day :-))

 

Cheers,

Earl

 

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https://theamya.org/

 

here is some on board video of a soling one meter that I shot.

 

the key to a first boat,

1. money how much do you want to spend. nothing wrong with a used boat

2. What boats do they sail near you?

 

IMO, I thnk what is sailed in your area, is top priority, provided you want sail with others (race) just tooling around the pond. then get whatever lifts your skirt...

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http://nanaimorclaser.ca

 

We even have an "ocean race" around one of the local islands with chase boats and both an RC Laser class and an open class with multihulls and IOM's.

 

Remind me what the name of that race is. We had a guy a few years ago contact us about building him a 2M for a distance race out by you, pretty sure it's the same one.

We started doing these larger boats after racing the RC series in Antigua with our prototype "The Box". It's also run with chase boats and is in a large harbor in very rough conditions (for models). A fun event! 3 classes 5,6 & 7 footer open monohull.

 

The Great Ocean Race - the most challenging radio-controlled sailboat race on the planet!

 

http://nanaimorclaser.ca/wordpress/?page_id=15

 

It might get its own website one day but for now it is camping on the Nanaimo RC Laser website....

 

The Mini Barn Door Trophy is much sought after, but it typically isn't won by a monohull - rumours are that there will be a foiling tri here this year. Wingsail cats are a regular sight here.

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https://theamya.org/

 

here is some on board video of a soling one meter that I shot.

 

the key to a first boat,

1. money how much do you want to spend. nothing wrong with a used boat

2. What boats do they sail near you?

 

IMO, I thnk what is sailed in your area, is top priority, provided you want sail with others (race) just tooling around the pond. then get whatever lifts your skirt...

 

Not everybody cares about racing. Sailing in a group is fun, but getting a boat that WORKS reliably would be a higher priority than getting a boat you can race... unless you know for a fact that you are already interested in racing.

 

Now, the corollary is that if a certain kind of boat is sailed in your area, you can probably buy one in good working order. I've been fixing up real boats all my life and find working on models rather frustrating. I want pay-n-play, however that's harder to find in the model world than the real world.

 

About cost- they're more expensive than they should be. Get used to it. Find out what a boat costs and decide to either spend that much or not. There's not a lot of downward flexibility IMHO.

 

Marc, thanks for the video, I'm going to forward that to a couple of friends!

 

FB- Doug

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The GoPro ended up being a great accidental tool to refining the radio systems on the 2M.

We sent the video to Rob at RMG/Smartwinch who was able to help us pick a better drum for our application.

It uses a spiral now adding to the winch power.

Our backstay system is still pretty noisy but has been refined over time and gets better and better.

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Dominion 2-HW almost complete. A self-righting foiler inspired by Hugh Welbourns Quant 23. Will use a similar Trapeze Power Ballast System to the Super Scow, below:


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20+ year old scow I designed and built with a Trapeze Power Ballast System:


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Oh that scow looks fast

 

Thanks-it was fairly fast in flat water and self-righting even with the Trapeze system.

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My RC cruiser, IOM sail on USOM carbon rig on 48" long mahogany and carbon platform.

 

Sweet little yacht!! Me likey.

 

I sailed my ODOM with a large fleet in San Francisco for years. Had an IOM too but that is kinda an arms race.

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Jim Caldwell,

 

Digital servos are notoriously noisy, the boat laying on its side, the weight of the booms and sails will cause the servo's to make noise. Analog servo's are not as vocal. also keep in mind that the mic on the camera is basically sitting right on top of the hollow styrene hull. Think echo chamber... The RMG in the 2m has a pretty robust gear train, I don't remember the RMG on my EC12 making that much noise...

 

Steam

 

yes you can spend 200 bucks on mass produced chinese boat that you can assemble on your kitchen table and be sailing the next day.... The soling 1 meter kit can be had for $230 out of loosiana, then you need to buy electronics, another 200, then you need to source lead shot for the keel $50, and epoxy $20. and then spend upwards of 30-40 hours building it. or you can spend $2000 + on a sorted out IOM or EC12. Quite literally it all depends on what you are really looking to do. Even if you don't plan on racing buying a used local boat or buying something that is sailed by local clubs does make life a bit easier. In that if you have build issues, you can get some local assistance, tuning advice, ect...

 

I've built about a dozen R/Cboats over the years. Selling a used R/C boat is just like any boat, they don't hold value, any work you do on it is a poverty level wage, and shipping is a PITA. But still cheaper than a big boat... Its a hole in the water in which you throw money just smaller sums of it..

 

Share away...I might have a few others of my iom, and RG65... but its all the same, decks awash, noisy servos, ect... Watching the videos it always reminds me just how fast things are happening on these small boats...

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What are you guys using for sail cloth and where do you get it?

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USA917 The IOM in the above picture is using CPM 505 its a mylar type material with a non woven scrim purchased from Chesapeake performance. http://www.rcyachts.com/cpm505.htm . I have used material from challenge sail cloth. they have a polymax polyester that is very light i've used plymax 38 and 42 .5ounce and .75 ounce

 

drafting type mylar is also a popular choice, Although I dislike working with it. when the sails are made righ they do look real sharp though..

 

Trispi 25/40/50 is also a popular choice, but finding it in bulk is getting harder unless you want to buy several hundred yards...

 

list of popular material

https://www.siriussails.com/materials.html

 

Blitz, good luck on getting sail makers to cough up their secrets. :) I dabble in the sail making arts and I doubt I'll ever be good enough to sell any products. but they keep my personal fleet moving. if you are not racing, then just make a single flat panel. sail with corner and luff reinforcements. you'll be fine. also you'd be done in about 30 minutes. To make a paneled sail with camber is easy. to make it with the proper camber and curves is where the difficulty comes in, with out the proper tools

 

http://www.stirling.saradioyachting.org.au/sailmaking.htm

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http://victoria2017ncr.blogspot.com/

 

I'm regatta coordinator for the 2017 victoria ncr to be held on Kent Island, MD in September. At Kent Island Yacht Club...

 

If you don't have a boat to sail, come and watch.

 

Maybe this will give me the drive to want to re rig and make my victoria up to par. It has been on my mind this past week already. Score.

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Fabric can be tricky for models.

We've played around with a bunch of different options. The shot up near the top of this thread with the three 2M's starting has a wide range of fabrics show: plain mylar, Cuben, Twaraon laminate & a Technora laminate.

In general we end up using fabric that's heavier considering the size & load of the 2M (given the extreme righting moment).

Design wise I actually use the same software that I use every day to design full size sails & cut them on a plotter.

 

Here's a shot looking from the head down of an "A" main.

 

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trim fast.

 

if you are local to Northern VA we have a couple good skippers that can land a tuning and rigging hand... shoot me a PM heck I've got the victoria sail plan in cad and can print out full size so if you wanted to try your hand at making some sails....

 

MM beautiful work you' ve done on the 2m... love the sails...

 

what would you charge me for an IOM suit????

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Thank you, a really fun project. I can't take all the credit my father does lots of the fabrication and has done a solid job.

The mast is something he's worked very hard on, not an easy thing to make...!

PM me we can chat.

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No please chat in public... This is fascinating

 

Agreed. At the moment I am not building models or model stuff but I anticipate that changing in the not-too-distant future

 

FB- Doug

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LOL ok. well as much as I do love models and making sails for them it really ends up being a back burner thing as designing full size sails is my real job.

If people wanted more 2M AC's (we've done 5) we'd be happy to make more but there would be a wait.

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This is the F3-the first production RC sailing foiler. Designed and tooling built 1999-2000. Produced 2000 to 2003. Inspired by Dr. Sam Bradfield.

LOA 56" Beam 72" SA 1668sq.in. Weight 7.5lb. Clocked at 18mph in a 22mph wind(reefed) and at 12mph in a 5mph wind.

 

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I'm really enjoying this thread, the first time I tried an RC sailboat was last year when my club hosted the Marbelhead German Nationals and I was race officer.

 

We are hosting the Nationals again and the Marblehead and 10rater Worlds in 2018. I will be race officer again for the nationals and co race officer for the worlds, should be interesting. I guess I will get a chance to play with the boats again.

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OK, time for some serious R/C boat porn courtesy of master builder Andrew Charters. From left to right: Herreshoff's "Gloriana," and the schooners "Elizabeth Silsbee,"Cicely "," and "Puritan" (rear) and "Columbia" together. Andrew's boats run five to six feet LOA, sail beautifully, and look a-mazing on the water.

 

Cheers,

Earl

 

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OK, time for some serious R/C boat porn courtesy of master builder Andrew Charters. From left to right: Herreshoff's "Gloriana," and the schooners "Elizabeth Silsbee,"Cicely "," and "Puritan" (rear) and "Columbia" together. Andrew's boats run five to six feet LOA, sail beautifully, and look a-mazing on the water.

 

Cheers,

Earl

 

 

Those are beautiful. How many channels does it take to control the fisherman staysail?

 

Any chance of getting an RC set of 'Bluenose' and 'Gertrude L Thebaud' to race?

 

FB- Doug

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LOL ok. well as much as I do love models and making sails for them it really ends up being a back burner thing as designing full size sails is my real job.

If people wanted more 2M AC's (we've done 5) we'd be happy to make more but there would be a wait.

No matter how long, they would be well worth the wait. Coolest boat I ever owned. All of the boat's parts are amazing.

 

Doug Lord's work should not be shrugged off so quickly.

 

 

thanks Peter. For sure some very cool boats in this thread, from foilers to classics. At some point I will build up that 1" to 1' scale IOR maxi hull that we have, I'm sure it will be slower than the 2M but would make for a cool classic.

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Many designers have used RC Models to test full size design concepts including Hugh Wellbourn , Greg Ketterman, Paul Larsen, Alain Thebault and Yves Parlier and more:

 

This is my exact scale test model of a 19. 5' foiling trimaran(22' wide). I may build a 15' version of this boat if I can pull it together.

 

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Actually no. I have a hull that was given to me that is 84" long and is an IOR maxi like this:

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From what I was told the hull was in someway part of the Matador 2 development program. Hard to say if that's 100% but makes for a cool side note!

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Actually no. I have a hull that was given to me that is 84" long and is an IOR maxi like this:

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From what I was told the hull was in someway part of the Matador 2 development program. Hard to say if that's 100% but makes for a cool side note!

 

Where did you get that hull? There was a guy in Plymouth, Ma. that had two test models from the Matador program. They were big hulls, although never measured them. My brother used to work for him.

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OK, time for some serious R/C boat porn courtesy of master builder Andrew Charters. From left to right: Herreshoff's "Gloriana," and the schooners "Elizabeth Silsbee,"Cicely "," and "Puritan" (rear) and "Columbia" together. Andrew's boats run five to six feet LOA, sail beautifully, and look a-mazing on the water.

 

Cheers,

Earl

 

 

Those are beautiful. How many channels does it take to control the fisherman staysail?

 

Any chance of getting an RC set of 'Bluenose' and 'Gertrude L Thebaud' to race?

 

FB- Doug

 

 

Here's how he does it for "Gloriana" and the schooners. 'Tain't simple, but I've watched his boats sail for hours and never saw a failure.

 

Cheers,

 

Earl

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Nice to see interest in these fun boats! Here's a link to our original plywood "box" model. RC sailing should be in Antigua all the time.

 

 

And the final versions in a much colder Woods Hole,MA setting

 

 

Also a few more sailing pictures on photobucket.

 

http://s1249.photobucket.com/user/carbonboats/library/2m%20AC%20Sport%20Scale%20%202012?sort=3&page=1

 

This was no casual project but it sure was exciting to see the boats on the water for the first time.

 

Bill F.

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Nice to see interest in these fun boats! Here's a link to our original plywood "box" model. RC sailing should be in Antigua all the time.

 

 

And the final versions in a much colder Woods Hole,MA setting

 

 

Also a few more sailing pictures on photobucket.

 

http://s1249.photobucket.com/user/carbonboats/library/2m%20AC%20Sport%20Scale%20%202012?sort=3&page=1

 

This was no casual project but it sure was exciting to see the boats on the water for the first time.

 

Bill F.

 

Ten raters never cease to amaze me with their speed for their size. The ten sailed around the course with both the Wheelers and the 2M's.

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That was a very interesting and tricky day of sailing. We had some races where the breeze was more stable and others (like the one above) where it was way up & down in pressure & direction.

In general we found when the conditions were stable the 2M had a large advantage upwind and was about even reaching and a tiny bit quicker running than the 10r & Wheeler.

All in all a fun bit of testing!

 

I went back the following year with the white "Prada" boat and had more fun with the same guys, a very cool event. Made a fairly large sail change in design & construction lightening things up which helped our performance down range a ton.

In general the weakness of the 2M ACC design is a big part of it's core strength & mission statement. In an effort to keep the boat simple (one rig) and have it be "open water" capable it's a design that is heavier with a lower SA/D than many other RC designs. This was something I labored over quite a bit while finalizing the design, but in the end having 2 or 3 masts for a boat this size would have made it way to expensive.

An example of how robust & open water aimed the design is look at the heavy air test video below.

Note: This was shot with me sailing the boat & filming with my phone at the same time, so the boat is pretty easy to sail :-)

 

 

More Woods Hole Video:

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Would love a 1"=1' scale tp52

 

There was a guy, vision sails, that built a boat, but he's not in business any more-

 

I love these things

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What a blast... I now am the proud owner of a dragon force 65... Fast fun and cheap and surprisingly close to the real thing. Originally posted image n dinghy anarchy but as was pointed out.... They are small but they are not dinghies.

The best fun I have had in ages... Anyone else out there ?

I started playing around with RC boats about three years ago when I found a complete Victoria at our local thrift shop. I did not sail it until this year when I finally completed the rigging improvements. But then a friend said that they had two more Victorias still in boxes and did I want them? By the time we transacted the deal, a Northwind 36/600 (also still in the box) was added to the sale.

I have been having fun with the rigging and painting the hulls.

 

My elderly dad is really interested in this project and calls me daily to check on my profess. When they are done, he wants me to take them to his retirement home and put on a display.

 

The Victorias are raced in Seattle a couple times a month. I may go try racing someday.

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The triplets. The white one was the first and my test boat.

 

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The Northwind 36/600

 

 

My son has a Northwind 36 he bought from a guy in Noumea for $20.

 

He liked it enough that he researched the rule, and is building a custom boat to the rule. This one will be carbon fiber with a carbon rig though, among other things.

 

I'll see if I can get him to post some pics of the build and design. He's been applying what he has learned in school to the thing.

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What a blast... I now am the proud owner of a dragon force 65... Fast fun and cheap and surprisingly close to the real thing. Originally posted image n dinghy anarchy but as was pointed out.... They are small but they are not dinghies.

The best fun I have had in ages... Anyone else out there ?

 

I started playing around with RC boats about three years ago when I found a complete Victoria at our local thrift shop. I did not sail it until this year when I finally completed the rigging improvements. But then a friend said that they had two more Victorias still in boxes and did I want them? By the time we transacted the deal, a Northwind 36/600 (also still in the box) was added to the sale.

I have been having fun with the rigging and painting the hulls.

My elderly dad is really interested in this project and calls me daily to check on my profess. When they are done, he wants me to take them to his retirement home and put on a display.

The Victorias are raced in Seattle a couple times a month. I may go try racing someday.attachicon.gifFB_IMG_1485314596681.jpg

The triplets. The white one was the first and my test boat.attachicon.gif0124171930~2_resized.jpg

The Northwind 36/600

My son has a Northwind 36 he bought from a guy in Noumea for $20.

 

He liked it enough that he researched the rule, and is building a custom boat to the rule. This one will be carbon fiber with a carbon rig though, among other things.

 

I'll see if I can get him to post some pics of the build and design. He's been applying what he has learned in school to the thing.

BJ

I saw some older posts from him on some RC sailboat forums. He had some great ideas that he was sharing. It would be interesting to see what he has come up with.

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What a blast... I now am the proud owner of a dragon force 65... Fast fun and cheap and surprisingly close to the real thing. Originally posted image n dinghy anarchy but as was pointed out.... They are small but they are not dinghies.

The best fun I have had in ages... Anyone else out there ?

I started playing around with RC boats about three years ago when I found a complete Victoria at our local thrift shop. I did not sail it until this year when I finally completed the rigging improvements. But then a friend said that they had two more Victorias still in boxes and did I want them? By the time we transacted the deal, a Northwind 36/600 (also still in the box) was added to the sale.

I have been having fun with the rigging and painting the hulls.

My elderly dad is really interested in this project and calls me daily to check on my profess. When they are done, he wants me to take them to his retirement home and put on a display.

The Victorias are raced in Seattle a couple times a month. I may go try racing someday.attachicon.gifFB_IMG_1485314596681.jpg

The triplets. The white one was the first and my test boat.attachicon.gif0124171930~2_resized.jpg

The Northwind 36/600

My son has a Northwind 36 he bought from a guy in Noumea for $20.

 

He liked it enough that he researched the rule, and is building a custom boat to the rule. This one will be carbon fiber with a carbon rig though, among other things.

 

I'll see if I can get him to post some pics of the build and design. He's been applying what he has learned in school to the thing.

BJ

I saw some older posts from him on some RC sailboat forums. He had some great ideas that he was sharing. It would be interesting to see what he has come up with.

 

 

I was going to tell you more, then I saw he was reading the thread, so he can take over...

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That was a very interesting and tricky day of sailing. We had some races where the breeze was more stable and others (like the one above) where it was way up & down in pressure & direction.

In general we found when the conditions were stable the 2M had a large advantage upwind and was about even reaching and a tiny bit quicker running than the 10r & Wheeler.

All in all a fun bit of testing!

 

I went back the following year with the white "Prada" boat and had more fun with the same guys, a very cool event. Made a fairly large sail change in design & construction lightening things up which helped our performance down range a ton.

In general the weakness of the 2M ACC design is a big part of it's core strength & mission statement. In an effort to keep the boat simple (one rig) and have it be "open water" capable it's a design that is heavier with a lower SA/D than many other RC designs. This was something I labored over quite a bit while finalizing the design, but in the end having 2 or 3 masts for a boat this size would have made it way to expensive.

An example of how robust & open water aimed the design is look at the heavy air test video below.

Note: This was shot with me sailing the boat & filming with my phone at the same time, so the boat is pretty easy to sail :-)

 

 

More Woods Hole Video:

 

The fluky conditions that day(I was there for a bit) is pretty consistent with 99% of model sailboat racing in the US. Most of it is on lakes and ponds where the breeze is terrible. Light weight and the ability to accelerate(and a good bit of luck unfortunately) will win races at most regattas on inland bodies of water.

I would hope the 2M's were faster on all points of sail than the 10 rater's as they are approximately 20" longer!(and deeper and taller) The fact that they were able to stay close is a testament to the last 100 years of 10 rater development!

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The fluky conditions that day(I was there for a bit) is pretty consistent with 99% of model sailboat racing in the US. Most of it is on lakes and ponds where the breeze is terrible. Light weight and the ability to accelerate(and a good bit of luck unfortunately) will win races at most regattas on inland bodies of water.

I would hope the 2M's were faster on all points of sail than the 10 rater's as they are approximately 20" longer!(and deeper and taller) The fact that they were able to stay close is a testament to the last 100 years of 10 rater development!

 

For sure the 10R is an excellent class.

"Inland bodies of water" is really the key here. You have two boats designed for very different conditions.

If we were to do a "pond/lake" 2M AC it would be much lighter and have 2 rig sizes which would make it dramatically faster in the given conditions.

This might be a fun experiment, maybe I'll do a special spec boat like this and bring it to Woods Hole again in 2017.

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What a blast... I now am the proud owner of a dragon force 65... Fast fun and cheap and surprisingly close to the real thing. Originally posted image n dinghy anarchy but as was pointed out.... They are small but they are not dinghies.

The best fun I have had in ages... Anyone else out there ?

I started playing around with RC boats about three years ago when I found a complete Victoria at our local thrift shop. I did not sail it until this year when I finally completed the rigging improvements. But then a friend said that they had two more Victorias still in boxes and did I want them? By the time we transacted the deal, a Northwind 36/600 (also still in the box) was added to the sale.

I have been having fun with the rigging and painting the hulls.

My elderly dad is really interested in this project and calls me daily to check on my profess. When they are done, he wants me to take them to his retirement home and put on a display.

The Victorias are raced in Seattle a couple times a month. I may go try racing someday.attachicon.gifFB_IMG_1485314596681.jpg

The triplets. The white one was the first and my test boat.attachicon.gif0124171930~2_resized.jpg

The Northwind 36/600

My son has a Northwind 36 he bought from a guy in Noumea for $20.

 

He liked it enough that he researched the rule, and is building a custom boat to the rule. This one will be carbon fiber with a carbon rig though, among other things.

 

I'll see if I can get him to post some pics of the build and design. He's been applying what he has learned in school to the thing.

BJ

I saw some older posts from him on some RC sailboat forums. He had some great ideas that he was sharing. It would be interesting to see what he has come up with.

 

 

I was going to tell you more, then I saw he was reading the thread, so he can take over...

 

 

I have this project currently under construction, it's a 36-600 class. I can show drawings and build photos if anyone is interested.

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What a blast... I now am the proud owner of a dragon force 65... Fast fun and cheap and surprisingly close to the real thing. Originally posted image n dinghy anarchy but as was pointed out.... They are small but they are not dinghies.

The best fun I have had in ages... Anyone else out there ?

I started playing around with RC boats about three years ago when I found a complete Victoria at our local thrift shop. I did not sail it until this year when I finally completed the rigging improvements. But then a friend said that they had two more Victorias still in boxes and did I want them? By the time we transacted the deal, a Northwind 36/600 (also still in the box) was added to the sale.

I have been having fun with the rigging and painting the hulls.

My elderly dad is really interested in this project and calls me daily to check on my profess. When they are done, he wants me to take them to his retirement home and put on a display.

The Victorias are raced in Seattle a couple times a month. I may go try racing someday.attachicon.gifFB_IMG_1485314596681.jpg

The triplets. The white one was the first and my test boat.attachicon.gif0124171930~2_resized.jpg

The Northwind 36/600

 

My son has a Northwind 36 he bought from a guy in Noumea for $20.

 

He liked it enough that he researched the rule, and is building a custom boat to the rule. This one will be carbon fiber with a carbon rig though, among other things.

 

I'll see if I can get him to post some pics of the build and design. He's been applying what he has learned in school to the thing.

BJ

I saw some older posts from him on some RC sailboat forums. He had some great ideas that he was sharing. It would be interesting to see what he has come up with.

 

I was going to tell you more, then I saw he was reading the thread, so he can take over...

 

I have this project currently under construction, it's a 36-600 class. I can show drawings and build photos if anyone is interested.

Yes please!

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Here are copies of the sail plan and the lines. I'm using money I made last summer doing design work to pay for this boat. The rudder shown here would be too expensive to build, the actual one is somewhat lower aspect. The presentation of these drawings is also not the best, because they were originally just for my personal use.

 

I decided to use modular construction for the build as it worked well with my first model. The servo box and structure are being assembled outside the boat and will be bonded into the hull as a single piece after it is laid up. I had a five piece female mould 3d printed and joined the sections together. The bulkheads are laser cut which will ensure the module fits properly into the hull once it is built.

 

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Hull Lines.pdf

Sail Plan.pdf

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