wristwister 75 #1 Posted February 2, 2017 Any of you locals know anything about this beast? I was up in Anacortes moving my boat back to her slip and this monster came by, being towed into place by a couple dinghys. I asked the guys working her if it was a new boat and if it was built in Anacortes, yes on both counts. I'd estimate it to be around 80 feet. Can't say I'm enamored by her lines, but I'd give my left nut to take her through the islands for a week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjsalustro 0 #2 Posted February 2, 2017 Mid West owner...looks good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steele 104 #3 Posted February 3, 2017 It kind of looks like a J111 pumped up to 100 psi. Once loaded and on it's lines with the rig on it should look better, but still too much freeboard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBone 2 #4 Posted February 3, 2017 Jim Donovan's T4 Project Serious CF build Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ropetrick 76 #5 Posted February 3, 2017 It kind of looks like a J111 pumped up to 100 psi. Once loaded and on it's lines with the rig on it should look better, but still too much freeboard. Raceboats don't need freeboard, fast passagemakers do. I like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Great Red Shark 388 #6 Posted February 3, 2017 If it IS the Donovan project, that is one that has been in-build for 4+ years now I think. Looks pretty good though, you gotta admit - the guy can draw a boat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobot 1,928 #7 Posted February 3, 2017 How tall is the rig? *edit* http://www.jpdonovandesign.com/new_site/index.php/projects/current-projects/t4-project From Sail Magazine: "in Anacortes, Washington, White Knight Yachts is building an 87-footer to a Jim Donovan design. The new T4 cruiser-racer maxi, as its being called, will feature a lifting keel, hydraulic winches, a carbon rig, dual helms and an expansive teak deck." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,925 #8 Posted February 3, 2017 Jim Donovan's T4 Project Serious CF build IMG_6080.JPG Does that mean he now has time to finish his 20? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huey 2 597 #9 Posted February 24, 2017 Wow Fantastic News That will be a Serious Beast in a Breeze some serious tenacity to stay with the project through to completion with the various curve balls thrown at him I would say a true renaissance man Yes Varan ..love the 20'+ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spindrift V 11 #10 Posted February 25, 2017 On its way to Canada, I wonder why???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
couchsurfer 216 #11 Posted February 25, 2017 On its way to Canada, I wonder why???? ........3rd world labor rates. Canadian Dollar 1 CAD = 0.763452 USD 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,132 #12 Posted February 25, 2017 On its way to Canada, I wonder why???? ........3rd world labor rates. Canadian Dollar 1 CAD = 0.763452 USD And old world quality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
basketcase 410 #13 Posted February 25, 2017 On its way to Canada, I wonder why???? ........3rd world labor rates. Canadian Dollar 1 CAD = 0.763452 USD And old world quality. its been in Anacortes for 4+ years...... whats taken so long? its 9 months to build an open 60, or if you push hard something like Comanche. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobot 1,928 #14 Posted February 25, 2017 There's a finished Perry design sitting in a building in North Carolina thats never been splashed! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Perry 853 #15 Posted February 26, 2017 Tbone is correct. That is the project that has been dragging on in Anacortes for the last few years. It's heading north to have the interior finished as I heard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDW 624 #16 Posted February 27, 2017 On its way to Canada, I wonder why???? 60 days is all you get in Washington before the tax man cometh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
See Level 702 #17 Posted February 27, 2017 On its way to Canada, I wonder why???? 60 days is all you get in Washington before the tax man cometh. That 60 days starts after it has been commissioned and delivery to the owner has taken place,Although I don't know the final closing status on this boat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDW 624 #18 Posted February 27, 2017 I believe the owner completed this boat on his own. So the 60 days starts when it "enters the waters of the state of Washington". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veeger 336 #19 Posted February 27, 2017 On its way to Canada, I wonder why???? 60 days is all you get in Washington before the tax man cometh. Yes, but you can also file for a 60 day extension-- one time, I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDW 624 #20 Posted February 27, 2017 Twice - then you must leave the state for 180 days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaulinVictoria 99 #21 Posted March 1, 2017 Up at Canoe Cove near Sidney BC I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ni·hil·ism 0 #22 Posted March 1, 2017 Any of you locals know anything about this beast? I was up in Anacortes moving my boat back to her slip and this monster came by, being towed into place by a couple dinghys. I asked the guys working her if it was a new boat and if it was built in Anacortes, yes on both counts. I'd estimate it to be around 80 feet. Can't say I'm enamored by her lines, but I'd give my left nut to take her through the islands for a week. Good luck tacking her through any of the passes, or anchoring her in any of the scenic bays. She's be great offshore, in the bahamas or S.Pac. Useless in the SJI's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex W 240 #23 Posted March 1, 2017 What are the handles on the starboard stern just above the waterline? Is that a suction cup device that is just on there temporarily? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12 metre 365 #24 Posted March 1, 2017 What are the handles on the starboard stern just above the waterline? Is that a suction cup device that is just on there temporarily? Something to do with the rudders I would guess. Exactly what, IDK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roleur 288 #25 Posted March 1, 2017 Good luck tacking her through any of the passes, or anchoring her in any of the scenic bays. She's be great offshore, in the bahamas or S.Pac. Useless in the SJI's. Useless? C'mon. Hardly. Sure you couldn't go through Mosquito Pass with that draft (not a big loss), but otherwise, where couldn't go in the SJI's that you can with a 40 footer and 7' draft. I can't think of any place. With a non-overlapping headsail you could doublehand that thing all over the SJI's. It would be a blast. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12 metre 365 #26 Posted March 1, 2017 Good luck tacking her through any of the passes, or anchoring her in any of the scenic bays. She's be great offshore, in the bahamas or S.Pac. Useless in the SJI's. Useless? C'mon. Hardly. Sure you couldn't go through Mosquito Pass with that draft (not a big loss), but otherwise, where couldn't go in the SJI's that you can with a 40 footer and 7' draft. I can't think of any place. With a non-overlapping headsail you could doublehand that thing all over the SJI's. It would be a blast. Yup, A lot of boats do clang into rocks in PNW, but it's usually due to navigational errors. I think i read somewhere in SA where Bob Perry said that for PNW, he likes boats with as much draft as possible - because draft is not an issue here.. MInd you, i'm just going by recollection - Bob may have something different to say about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheap Beer 10 #27 Posted March 2, 2017 Anyone know what yard in BC she headed for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bcam 1 #28 Posted March 2, 2017 She's at Canoe Cove. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ni·hil·ism 0 #29 Posted March 2, 2017 Good luck tacking her through any of the passes, or anchoring her in any of the scenic bays. She's be great offshore, in the bahamas or S.Pac. Useless in the SJI's. Useless? C'mon. Hardly. Sure you couldn't go through Mosquito Pass with that draft (not a big loss), but otherwise, where couldn't go in the SJI's that you can with a 40 footer and 7' draft. I can't think of any place. With a non-overlapping headsail you could doublehand that thing all over the SJI's. It would be a blast. Yup, A lot of boats do clang into rocks in PNW, but it's usually due to navigational errors. I think i read somewhere in SA where Bob Perry said that for PNW, he likes boats with as much draft as possible - because draft is not an issue here.. MInd you, i'm just going by recollection - Bob may have something different to say about it. It's difficult enough with a 40'er getting around the Salish. Lack of winds and lots of boat traffic makes sailing a challenge. Multiply that by linear feet and you end up with a motorsailor instead of enjoyable passage. Most tacks last no more than fifteen minutes, if there is even wind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,132 #30 Posted March 2, 2017 She's at Canoe Cove. Maybe I'll mosey over and have a look. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDW 624 #31 Posted March 2, 2017 It's difficult enough with a 40'er getting around the Salish. Lack of winds and lots of boat traffic makes sailing a challenge. Multiply that by linear feet and you end up with a motorsailor instead of enjoyable passage. Most tacks last no more than fifteen minutes, if there is even wind. It's quite easy to get around the Salish in a large boat properly designed for it. That would be one without sails and with a reliable diesel motor. Sails are relatively useless where there is no wind, unless you are in love with the romance of having them furled on the boom. I have seen such proper PNW vessels 175' long even up the Malibu Straights in Princess Louisa - mind you that would take some balls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,132 #32 Posted March 2, 2017 It's difficult enough with a 40'er getting around the Salish. Lack of winds and lots of boat traffic makes sailing a challenge. Multiply that by linear feet and you end up with a motorsailor instead of enjoyable passage. Most tacks last no more than fifteen minutes, if there is even wind. It's quite easy to get around the Salish in a large boat properly designed for it. That would be one without sails and with a reliable diesel motor. Sails are relatively useless where there is no wind, unless you are in love with the romance of having them furled on the boom. I have seen such proper PNW vessels 175' long even up the Malibu Straights in Princess Louisa - mind you that would take some balls. You just got a bad year. Usually we get at least thirty days a year with wind in February alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ni·hil·ism 0 #33 Posted March 2, 2017 It's difficult enough with a 40'er getting around the Salish. Lack of winds and lots of boat traffic makes sailing a challenge. Multiply that by linear feet and you end up with a motorsailor instead of enjoyable passage. Most tacks last no more than fifteen minutes, if there is even wind. It's quite easy to get around the Salish in a large boat properly designed for it. That would be one without sails and with a reliable diesel motor. Sails are relatively useless where there is no wind, unless you are in love with the romance of having them furled on the boom. I have seen such proper PNW vessels 175' long even up the Malibu Straights in Princess Louisa - mind you that would take some balls. You just got a bad year. Usually we get at least thirty days a year with wind in February alone. I've had some great conditions in the Salish, but overall I found myself motoring more than sailing. Gotta catch the tides right getting across the Strait, or through the pass, or before the winds die. Let's not forget the usual encounter with aggressive ferry boat captains. I moved to San Diego and have been sailing a ton more due to the spectacular sailing conditions and infinite amount of sea room for long tacks. Instead of tacking a bazillion times to go north, I just stay on one tack until I'm a little more than half way there, then tack back. Wow. Easy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDW 624 #34 Posted March 2, 2017 You just got a bad year. Usually we get at least thirty days a year with wind in February alone. I guess that is my problem. Growing up and learning to sail on San Francisco Bay, I am used to 60 days of wind in February. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 2,655 #35 Posted March 2, 2017 It's difficult enough with a 40'er getting around the Salish. Lack of winds and lots of boat traffic makes sailing a challenge. Multiply that by linear feet and you end up with a motorsailor instead of enjoyable passage. Most tacks last no more than fifteen minutes, if there is even wind. It's quite easy to get around the Salish in a large boat properly designed for it. That would be one without sails and with a reliable diesel motor. Sails are relatively useless where there is no wind, unless you are in love with the romance of having them furled on the boom. I have seen such proper PNW vessels 175' long even up the Malibu Straights in Princess Louisa - mind you that would take some balls. You just got a bad year. Usually we get at least thirty days a year with wind in February alone. Ish, That is a pretty good stat you provided about the winds on the Salish Sea! Who would have ever guessed they could be so consistent. That must be why a well designed sailboat for that area really needs a 182 deg AVS... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Car Ramrod 10 #36 Posted March 2, 2017 It's the new Trader!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roleur 288 #37 Posted March 3, 2017 Good luck tacking her through any of the passes, or anchoring her in any of the scenic bays. She's be great offshore, in the bahamas or S.Pac. Useless in the SJI's. Useless? C'mon. Hardly. Sure you couldn't go through Mosquito Pass with that draft (not a big loss), but otherwise, where couldn't go in the SJI's that you can with a 40 footer and 7' draft. I can't think of any place. With a non-overlapping headsail you could doublehand that thing all over the SJI's. It would be a blast. Yup, A lot of boats do clang into rocks in PNW, but it's usually due to navigational errors. I think i read somewhere in SA where Bob Perry said that for PNW, he likes boats with as much draft as possible - because draft is not an issue here.. MInd you, i'm just going by recollection - Bob may have something different to say about it. It's difficult enough with a 40'er getting around the Salish. Lack of winds and lots of boat traffic makes sailing a challenge. Multiply that by linear feet and you end up with a motorsailor instead of enjoyable passage. Most tacks last no more than fifteen minutes, if there is even wind. You'll spend far less time motoring this big boat than a typical 40' cruising boat. Far less. Can't agree on the lack of wind and traffic making sailing a challenge. We sail the majority of the time. Helps to have a boat that sails well in light air. 15 minutes on one tack is a long time if you spend any time racing. I guess we just see it differently. The boat would be a blast for us in the Salish. For you, maybe not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roleur 288 #38 Posted March 3, 2017 I moved to San Diego and have been sailing a ton more due to the spectacular sailing conditions and infinite amount of sea room for long tacks. Instead of tacking a bazillion times to go north, I just stay on one tack until I'm a little more than half way there, then tack back. Wow. Easy. Too funny. We moved from the PNW to San Diego and found sailing in SD incredibly boring. Mostly light winds, large swell, and nowhere to go. You just sailed out until you got bored and then turned around. Much prefer the variety of passes and channels in the Salish. Lots of sail handling keeps it intersting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
couchsurfer 216 #39 Posted March 3, 2017 I moved to San Diego and have been sailing a ton more due to the spectacular sailing conditions and infinite amount of sea room for long tacks. Instead of tacking a bazillion times to go north, I just stay on one tack until I'm a little more than half way there, then tack back. Wow. Easy. Too funny. We moved from the PNW to San Diego and found sailing in SD incredibly boring. Mostly light winds, large swell, and nowhere to go. You just sailed out until you got bored and then turned around. Much prefer the variety of passes and channels in the Salish. Lots of sail handling keeps it intersting. ...sounds like you got out of SD before your brain got bleached. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ni·hil·ism 0 #40 Posted March 3, 2017 I moved to San Diego and have been sailing a ton more due to the spectacular sailing conditions and infinite amount of sea room for long tacks. Instead of tacking a bazillion times to go north, I just stay on one tack until I'm a little more than half way there, then tack back. Wow. Easy. Too funny. We moved from the PNW to San Diego and found sailing in SD incredibly boring. Mostly light winds, large swell, and nowhere to go. You just sailed out until you got bored and then turned around. Much prefer the variety of passes and channels in the Salish. Lots of sail handling keeps it intersting. https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ_E3z4BFe3/ https://www.instagram.com/p/BQtFtdIhy8v/ Yep super boring here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wristwister 75 #41 Posted March 3, 2017 I've wondered why the PNW produces superior sailors. Nobody can snoop out a little puff and take advantage of it like a PNW racer. I'm still way behind the learning curve on this. My strategy, if the good racers are all going in a weird direction that makes no sense to me, trust them and go there too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snapper 8 #42 Posted March 4, 2017 It's the new Trader!!! I think 'new' is a bit of a stretch considering when this project got started. I'm amazed it even splashed and a lot of people got screwed over by FD on the way. -Snap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sledracr 605 #43 Posted March 4, 2017 if the good racers are all going in a weird direction that makes no sense to me, trust them and go there too. ...and that *is* the one thing boring about racing in the Sound. The prevailing tactic for many boats seems to be "find someone named Buchan or McKee and follow them around the race course". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex W 240 #44 Posted March 5, 2017 That doesn't always work in tricky conditions. Look at the results from yesterday. I have to wonder how much racing you've done here to form that opinion. I love the puzzle of racing here, even on frustrating light air days when I get a dnf. I still have a lot to learn out here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 2,655 #45 Posted May 7, 2018 Bump! Anyone seen or heard anything about the T4 lately? What is the connection to TRADER? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Left Shift 2,751 #46 Posted May 7, 2018 On 3/4/2017 at 9:58 AM, sledracr said: ...and that *is* the one thing boring about racing in the Sound. The prevailing tactic for many boats seems to be "find someone named Buchan or McKee and follow them around the race course". Reverse starts make that strategy trickier, until they pass you. Then it works.....until you can't see them any more. Oh well. Sailing a deep draft race boat around the SJIs or Gulf Islands is a delight. Our basic approach has been to leave the awning up and just use a jib or spinnaker depending on direction. Motor through lees or channels. Look at the chart occasionally. The main is an annoyance, mostly. That T4 boat should be a lot of fun, but Cascadia is still prettier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 2,655 #47 Posted May 7, 2018 T4 anyone? Bueller? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ctutmark 236 #48 Posted May 7, 2018 Posted on FB on May 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 2,655 #49 Posted May 7, 2018 Wow! That looks to be the outfit who towed the boat to BC. Who is Blue Seas Inc? The Mounties always get their boat? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,132 #50 Posted May 7, 2018 Blue Sea is the company that makes a lot of electrical gear. https://www.bluesea.com/ Blue Seas Inc may or may not be the same company, but they are the most likely. Otherwise, it's a company that sells cowrie shell necklaces. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 2,655 #51 Posted May 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Ishmael said: Blue Sea is the company that makes a lot of electrical gear. https://www.bluesea.com/ Blue Seas Inc may or may not be the same company, but they are the most likely. Otherwise, it's a company that sells cowrie shell necklaces. That was the first thing that popped into my mind Ish. I doubt they had enough breaker panels in T4 to justify a seizure on that scale!. Who was that boat built for? It seemed like towing it to Canada in such a incomplete state was a desperate move to prevent just such a seizure. On 3/4/2017 at 9:23 AM, Snapper said: I'm amazed it even splashed and a lot of people got screwed over by FD on the way. Who is FD? A line of people trying to recover from the screwing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ropetrick 76 #52 Posted May 7, 2018 Somebody said TRADER. Fred Detwiller was the owner of three different boats named TRADER. This boat is named T4. Hmmm...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
See Level 702 #53 Posted May 7, 2018 Ravine Marine Services, that's pretty funny. I think they mean Raven Marine Services. Blue Seas Inc North Carolina, is probably a LLC for the owner to protect against personal lawsuits against the owner during the build. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 2,655 #54 Posted May 8, 2018 1 hour ago, ropetrick said: Somebody said TRADER. Fred Detwiller was the owner of three different boats named TRADER. This boat is named T4. Hmmm...... I had finally made the Detwiler connection through someone mentioning TRADER. Not surprised to see the papers slapped on the boat. Guess he stiffed the tow guys who towed it out of the grasp of Betts who started the build. Should have hired a US tow company... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snapper 8 #55 Posted May 8, 2018 17 hours ago, Rasputin22 said: I had finally made the Detwiler connection through someone mentioning TRADER. Not surprised to see the papers slapped on the boat. Guess he stiffed the tow guys who towed it out of the grasp of Betts who started the build. Should have hired a US tow company... Jim was more than happy to walk away from that project. It cost him his shop space but he's in a better location now. I wonder if Donovan ever got paid in full? The Trader legacy is one of people getting screwed by a nut bag owner. This boat is just another chapter in that legacy... -Snap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sledracr 605 #56 Posted May 8, 2018 On 5/7/2018 at 12:41 PM, Rasputin22 said: Wow! That looks to be the outfit who towed the boat to BC. Who is Blue Seas Inc? My guess is Blue Seas is the builder (HIN starts with BSY - Blue Seas Yachts?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 2,655 #57 Posted May 9, 2018 White Knight? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,405 #58 Posted May 9, 2018 On March 1, 2017 at 9:20 PM, DDW said: It's quite easy to get around the Salish in a large boat properly designed for it. That would be one without sails and with a reliable diesel motor. Sails are relatively useless where there is no wind, unless you are in love with the romance of having them furled on the boom. I have seen such proper PNW vessels 175' long even up the Malibu Straights in Princess Louisa - mind you that would take some balls. No no no- the idea is to motor around with the main up, and the jib furled, just in case........it's tradition, after all- & it looks nice too! Sometimes you can get 10 minutes of sailing in! Aaaargh, laddie! But if you're cheeky enough to own a light air flyer (as we take a bow), be prepared to be ignored or worse...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,405 #59 Posted May 9, 2018 On March 2, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Jammer Six said: I've wondered why the PNW produces superior sailors. Because you actually have to like sailing..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDW 624 #60 Posted May 10, 2018 It produces superior drifters, not sailors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roleur 288 #61 Posted May 10, 2018 50 minutes ago, DDW said: It produces superior drifters, not sailors. Olympic caliber drifters, collegiate sailor of year drifters, and world champion drifters, apparently... We'll just ignore the fact that I just sailed from Seattle to Port Townsend on Saturday, Port Townsend to Seattle on Sunday, and Seattle to the San Juans on Monday. 120nm. Motored for about 30 minutes early Monday morning before I woke up enough to get the main and spinnaker up. Sorry, but the sailing up here is outstanding and, of course, the scenery is outstanding too. Raced in February. Not too cold and so windy that only 2 boats put up spinnakers and 2 boats broke their masts. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
White Lightnin' 249 #62 Posted May 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, Roleur said: Olympic caliber drifters, collegiate sailor of year drifters, and world champion drifters, apparently... We'll just ignore the fact that I just sailed from Seattle to Port Townsend on Saturday, Port Townsend to Seattle on Sunday, and Seattle to the San Juans on Monday. 120nm. Motored for about 30 minutes early Monday morning before I woke up enough to get the main and spinnaker up. Sorry, but the sailing up here is outstanding and, of course, the scenery is outstanding too. Raced in February. Not too cold and so windy that only 2 boats put up spinnakers and 2 boats broke their masts. No. No. No. There is no wind. No sun. No reason to move here! Slugs the size of small dogs. Its so gray here that your sails will mildew in the summer. Stay away! WL 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snapper 8 #63 Posted May 10, 2018 Actually, you myopic trollops, the PNW and SD produce excellent sailors. I've been in both worlds and have learned a shit ton about currents and various effects. I believe this thread is about the Trader fiasco so keep it in check. -Snap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snaggletooth 3,016 #64 Posted May 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Snapper said: Actually, you myopic trollops, the PNW and SD produce excellent sailors. I've been in both worlds and have learned a shit ton about currents and various effects. I believe this thread is about the Trader fiasco so keep it in check. -Snap Southe Dakotta? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ctutmark 236 #65 Posted May 10, 2018 8 hours ago, Snaggletooth said: Southe Dakotta? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,405 #66 Posted May 10, 2018 12 hours ago, DDW said: It produces superior drifters, not sailors. You may have the wrong boat, or you don’t sail in the winter..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDW 624 #67 Posted May 11, 2018 21 hours ago, Roleur said: Sorry, but the sailing up here is outstanding and, of course, the scenery is outstanding too. The scenery is outstanding. The sailing, not so much, depending on your reference frame. I have a pretty good light air boat, and have sailed it there from April - November, so not strictly in Winter. Outstanding sailing first and foremost requires dependable wind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wristwister 75 #68 Posted May 11, 2018 38 minutes ago, DDW said: Outstanding sailing first and foremost requires dependable wind. Depends on your definition of outstanding sailing. A perfect constant breeze from a constant direction sure makes for simple planning and fast sailing. Yeah, that's fun and all. But when your route from point A to point B is filled with wind shifts around every point of land and tricky currents to be negotiated ... well, maybe I'm a masochist, but I think that's a BLAST! Hoisting your entire sail inventory in one race, rail in the water intermixed with bobbing aimlessly on glass, using an anchor as a racing tool ... love it! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDW 624 #69 Posted May 11, 2018 That's true, while racing you are all in the same boat so to speak. For cruising, less obvious fun. You are trying to get from point A to point B before the season ends. Daysailing off of Port Townsend, or Seattle, or a few other places where there is occasionally wind is fun. There's a reason, though, that in the Age of Sail people trying to get somewhere stuck to places where there is wind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soling2003 5 #71 Posted December 11, 2018 You don’t need tons of wind to cruise in the SJ’s. Everything is so close, if you go to fast, you won’t have time to sail. Which is why you have a sailboat, right? Cruising in the BVI’s for the most part, with great trade winds everyday, is ok, but you have to almost sail around a few extra hours so you don’t get to the next bay too fast! I have cruised there in everything from a Tanzer 22 to a Cal 46 and most things in between.All is good. We sold our Peterson 37 when we move to Hawaii. Sure, we have trade winds most the time, great sailing. Warm water, warm weather. Sun. But no where to go! But can have great Laser sailing in the ocean with breeze! Now, back to this new big boat. What is up with it now???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spindrift V 11 #72 Posted December 17, 2018 Allegedly stuck in Sydney Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,132 #73 Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, nwrig said: Allegedly stuck in Sydney Australia? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkFin 6 #74 Posted December 17, 2018 Still there. Any word what is happening? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,132 #75 Posted December 17, 2018 Ah, Sidney. Hell, I was just up there, my boat's in the next marina over. I'll have to go see this beastie next time I'm out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackolantern 457 #76 Posted December 18, 2018 Nice detective work gents!!! https://goo.gl/maps/v52wWhDzqzm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12 metre 365 #77 Posted December 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Ishmael said: Australia? Nova Scotia? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 481 #78 Posted December 18, 2018 2 hours ago, MarkFin said: Still there. Any word what is happening? that's a proper cruising boat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spindrift V 11 #79 Posted December 20, 2018 Rumor has it she is headed for Port Townsend, anybody know about this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 2,655 #80 Posted December 20, 2018 Where is the rudder? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toddster 461 #81 Posted December 22, 2018 On 12/20/2018 at 11:54 AM, Rasputin22 said: Where is the rudder? In the box with the keel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxx Baqustae 229 #82 Posted December 24, 2018 On 12/17/2018 at 5:43 PM, 12 metre said: Nova Scotia? Sidney, BC. Not Sydney Aus. or Nova Scotia. It's actually at Canoe Cove, BC. Been there lots Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olaf hart 567 #83 Posted December 24, 2018 Creative use of shipping containers ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12 metre 365 #84 Posted December 24, 2018 On 12/17/2018 at 1:11 PM, nwrig said: Allegedly stuck in Sydney On 12/17/2018 at 2:12 PM, Ishmael said: Australia? On 12/17/2018 at 5:43 PM, 12 metre said: Nova Scotia? 12 minutes ago, Maxx Baqustae said: Sidney, BC. Not Sydney Aus. or Nova Scotia. It's actually at Canoe Cove, BC. Been there lots Yes, I am aware. I was just carrying on the theme of cities named "Sydney". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tanton Y_M 174 #85 Posted December 24, 2018 The New Trader? Maybe someone said it before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sail4beer 2,080 #86 Posted December 25, 2018 Yes. It’s anoter amazing tale of rich people with no ethics. Be glad your brainchild isn’t arrested under Admiralty Court... BTW, did anyone ever buy or build your 40’ that looks like a 210? I didn’t see any plans available on your website and thought it was a great project that would be a winner for someone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12 metre 365 #87 Posted January 24, 2019 Back she goes...Sidney to Port Angeles according to FB: https://www.facebook.com/CTowVictoria/posts/1998412553547268 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,294 #88 Posted January 24, 2019 Backwards?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Expat Canuck 69 #89 Posted January 25, 2019 Read the FB post, it's explained there. There is no rudder installed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackolantern 457 #90 Posted January 25, 2019 Can anyone find a court filing that details what's going on here?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tanton Y_M 174 #91 Posted January 25, 2019 On 12/25/2018 at 8:55 AM, Sail4beer said: Yes. It’s anoter amazing tale of rich people with no ethics. Be glad your brainchild isn’t arrested under Admiralty Court... BTW, did anyone ever buy or build your 40’ that looks like a 210? I didn’t see any plans available on your website and thought it was a great project that would be a winner for someone. Sail for Wine. Yes, the boat burnt. Some interest after. But the inspiration came from Ray Hunt and Hunt Yacht Design. My fiberglass version is interesting by her method of construction. www.tantonyachtdesign.com Boat Plans. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sail4beer 2,080 #92 Posted January 25, 2019 Beautiful. I’ll take another look! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites