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The Abu Sayyaf group has threatened to behead a German hostage unless a $100,000 ransom is paid by February 26.

The hostage, long-time sailing cruiser Jurgen Kantner, was captured in November near the pirate stronghold of Tawi Tawi. In a video released last week, Kantner – surrounded by Abu Sayyaf fighters – addressed the German government, warning that the terrorists will kill him if the ransom is not paid soon.


The Philippine military is still working to confirm the authenticity of the video, but a spokesman discouraged the idea of paying for Kantner's release. “We don’t support ransom. They will just build their capability some more if they have money,” said Colonel Cirilito Sobejana, commander of Joint Task Force Sulu in comments to the Inquirer.


Abu Sayyaf has often made good on its threats. Last year, the group beheaded three prisoners – John Ridsdel, Robert Hall, and Philippine national Patrick Almodovar – after ransom demands went unmet.


The group is believed to be holding more than two dozen hostages at present, most of them seafarers who were captured from tugs and trawlers. It has released eleven captives since last June, including Norwegian national Kjartan Sekkingstad. Philippine Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana recently told CNN that Abu Sayyaf had released so many hostages thanks to the pressure of an intensified government offensive. (Analysts suggest that kidnapping is a lucrative practice for Abu Sayyaf, but the Philippine government does not generally comment on whether ransoms have been paid.)


Fight against Abu Sayyaf continues

The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) is engaged in a full-scale campaign against Abu Sayyaf in Sulu, Basilan and Mindanao, and it has recently stepped up its efforts under orders from Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte. Duterte has also encouraged Indonesian and Malaysian forces to join in the anti-piracy effort, granting them permission to pursue suspected pirates into Philippine waters; In addition, he recently said that he had asked China to contribute to patrols off Sulu and Basilan. "They can't patrol international waters without necessarily intruding into the territorial waters of countries," he said. "We would be glad if they have their presence there.”

Japan may also join in the campaign, according to Raymund Quilop, the Philippines' assistant defence minister for international affairs. Quilop said Tuesday that Japanese vice minister Ro Manabe had offered assistance "in addressing piracy and terrorism" at a meeting in Tokyo. However, a Japanese defense official told ChannelNews Asia that the assistance would be limited to capacity building. Thanks to the Maritime Executive.

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Those savages killed his wife last year when they were caputured IIRC

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the philippine president duterte is a commie and a closet sympathizer of the abu sayaf. each night i pray for divine intervention to touch him. in the form of a TLAM or a JDAM

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...such a tough dilemma,, especially for the families of someone captured....

 

...... nobody wants to support and fund the captors,, but nobody wants to lose their dad,husband,son either. :mellow:

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As long as the victims were where they should be? All our governments should do what they can with negotiations, money, and the military to get them back with the lowest possible risk to the rescuers. The moment the victims are free or gone. The entire area and every place they have been or might go should be destroyed from the air. Future pirates should get the message. There is not upside or chance to proper as a pirate or taking the citizens of another nation hostage. If you try to sneak into the likes of North Korea for excitement. You are on your own. If you vessel is snatched in international waters. Hell should appear from the sky in all directions.

 

Do not see the payments as ransom or negotiation in the true sense. The payments are nothing more than bait and tools to be used to destroy the perpetrators all all those near them.

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...such a tough dilemma,, especially for the families of someone captured....

 

...... nobody wants to support and fund the captors,, but nobody wants to lose their dad,husband,son either. :mellow:

 

 

The key is making examples for all to see and setting precedent so it never happens again. If you pick up the telephone and demand a ransom for the safe return of another person. The only certainty is you will die along with all those around you. The message. Don't do it, stop it the moment you see anyone else with idea to hold someone for ransom.

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As long as the victims were where they should be? All our governments should do what they can with negotiations, money, and the military to get them back with the lowest possible risk to the rescuers. The moment the victims are free or gone. The entire area and every place they have been or might go should be destroyed from the air. Future pirates should get the message. There is not upside or chance to proper as a pirate or taking the citizens of another nation hostage. If you try to sneak into the likes of North Korea for excitement. You are on your own. If you vessel is snatched in international waters. Hell should appear from the sky in all directions.

 

Do not see the payments as ransom or negotiation in the true sense. The payments are nothing more than bait and tools to be used to destroy the perpetrators all all those near them.

You are fucking clueless. Watching too many movies.

There is no clearing where a group of pirates exchange the hostage for a bag of cash.

There are so many third parties involved, it is extremely difficult to work out who exactly the captors are.

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As long as the victims were where they should be? All our governments should do what they can with negotiations, money, and the military to get them back with the lowest possible risk to the rescuers. The moment the victims are free or gone. The entire area and every place they have been or might go should be destroyed from the air. Future pirates should get the message. There is not upside or chance to proper as a pirate or taking the citizens of another nation hostage. If you try to sneak into the likes of North Korea for excitement. You are on your own. If you vessel is snatched in international waters. Hell should appear from the sky in all directions.

 

Do not see the payments as ransom or negotiation in the true sense. The payments are nothing more than bait and tools to be used to destroy the perpetrators all all those near them.

You are fucking clueless. Watching too many movies.

There is no clearing where a group of pirates exchange the hostage for a bag of cash.

There are so many third parties involved, it is extremely difficult to work out who exactly the captors are.

 

Yeah, let's continue to handle these things the politically correct way, since it's been working out so well that way.

You must have voted for Hillary

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As long as the victims were where they should be? All our governments should do what they can with negotiations, money, and the military to get them back with the lowest possible risk to the rescuers. The moment the victims are free or gone. The entire area and every place they have been or might go should be destroyed from the air. Future pirates should get the message. There is not upside or chance to proper as a pirate or taking the citizens of another nation hostage. If you try to sneak into the likes of North Korea for excitement. You are on your own. If you vessel is snatched in international waters. Hell should appear from the sky in all directions.

 

Do not see the payments as ransom or negotiation in the true sense. The payments are nothing more than bait and tools to be used to destroy the perpetrators all all those near them.

You are fucking clueless. Watching too many movies.

There is no clearing where a group of pirates exchange the hostage for a bag of cash.

There are so many third parties involved, it is extremely difficult to work out who exactly the captors are.

 

 

 

I am not looking for a clearing. I expect some big holes in the ground in the middle of town. The village, town, city, or state where the most local authorities did not deal with their problem. Allowing their problem to spill over and become the world's problem. The point if this shit is happening out of your corner of the world you will lose in some major way.

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As long as the victims were where they should be? All our governments should do what they can with negotiations, money, and the military to get them back with the lowest possible risk to the rescuers. The moment the victims are free or gone. The entire area and every place they have been or might go should be destroyed from the air. Future pirates should get the message. There is not upside or chance to proper as a pirate or taking the citizens of another nation hostage. If you try to sneak into the likes of North Korea for excitement. You are on your own. If you vessel is snatched in international waters. Hell should appear from the sky in all directions.

 

Do not see the payments as ransom or negotiation in the true sense. The payments are nothing more than bait and tools to be used to destroy the perpetrators all all those near them.

You are fucking clueless. Watching too many movies.

There is no clearing where a group of pirates exchange the hostage for a bag of cash.

There are so many third parties involved, it is extremely difficult to work out who exactly the captors are.

 

Yeah, let's continue to handle these things the politically correct way, since it's been working out so well that way.

You must have voted for Hillary

 

What do you propose?? Leaving a bag of cash next to a palm tree and have your precious Seal Team Six ambush who ever picks it up?? Have fun with your military bluster.

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I voted for Hillary and I'm wondering why German Special Forces can't pull an OBL type raid and go get their guy back. Worst case the guy still dies along with a bunch of pirates, best case they save the hostages and the pirates are still dead.

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As long as the victims were where they should be? All our governments should do what they can with negotiations, money, and the military to get them back with the lowest possible risk to the rescuers. The moment the victims are free or gone. The entire area and every place they have been or might go should be destroyed from the air. Future pirates should get the message. There is not upside or chance to proper as a pirate or taking the citizens of another nation hostage. If you try to sneak into the likes of North Korea for excitement. You are on your own. If you vessel is snatched in international waters. Hell should appear from the sky in all directions.

 

Do not see the payments as ransom or negotiation in the true sense. The payments are nothing more than bait and tools to be used to destroy the perpetrators all all those near them.

You are fucking clueless. Watching too many movies.

There is no clearing where a group of pirates exchange the hostage for a bag of cash.

There are so many third parties involved, it is extremely difficult to work out who exactly the captors are.

 

Yeah, let's continue to handle these things the politically correct way, since it's been working out so well that way.

You must have voted for Hillary

 

What do you propose?? Leaving a bag of cash next to a palm tree and have your precious Seal Team Six ambush who ever picks it up?? Have fun with your military bluster.

 

The SEAL Team gets to have some fun

I voted for Hillary and I'm wondering why German Special Forces can't pull an OBL type raid and go get their guy back. Worst case the guy still dies along with a bunch of pirates, best case they save the hostages and the pirates are still dead.

How did that vote work out for you?

I do agree 100% about the way you would handle it

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My votes not keeping me up at night but this ain't PA so I'll leave it there. Paying ransoms to terrorists not only emboldens them but directly funds further terrorism. If the Philippine government doesn't want to deal with terrorists kidnapping and murdering foreign nationals in their own backyard, I have exactly zero qualms with NATO dealing with it.

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This isn't an OBL case of going after one of the most dangerous people in the world.

This isn't a case of rescuing blameless children or aid workers.

 

This is an arrogant yachtie. Whether German, American, British or who the fuck it, doesn't matter.

This fuckwit decided to run the gauntlet in waters known for piracy.

He gambled and lost. Don't waste money on ransom and definitely don't waste money on military action.

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I was cruising some Caribbean waters over new years with a large flotilla. The first anchorage we stopped in, we were approached fairly quickly by a common "pirate" skiff style boat with armed men. They "asked" for 5 usd per person to stay overnight. Of course we handed the money over straight away. Boat is easily seen in the middle of our raft.

 

This encounter made me realize how vulnerable cruisers and liveaboards are. There is quite literally no way I would ever sail my own boat for an extended period of time in ANY waters without being heavily armed. I hope that the outcome is somehow good for this guy, but I can't help but think that there is a serious case of "that can't happen to me" going on with a lot of people traveling in known hostile waters.

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There is quite literally no way I would ever sail my own boat for an extended period of time in ANY waters without being heavily armed.

 

Any waters?

 

Never mind the fact that a weapon by no means guarantees you any degree of increased protection - dear we forget what happened to Sir Peter.

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Guns didn't quite work here. Wife fired at them first so they shot her on the spot. They must have thought she would drive them mad if taken hostage.

 

Abduction and hostage number 2...wtf..this kraut looney seems to attract trouble like shit to a shoe.

 

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/08/world/asia/philippines-kidnapped-german-sailors.html?_r=1&referer=http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=178187&view=&hl=&fromsearch=1

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Noone of this would ever happen if the planet had a universal guaranteed income. Please write your local representative.

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I was cruising some Caribbean waters over new years with a large flotilla. The first anchorage we stopped in, we were approached fairly quickly by a common "pirate" skiff style boat with armed men. They "asked" for 5 usd per person to stay overnight. Of course we handed the money over straight away. Boat is easily seen in the middle of our raft.

 

This encounter made me realize how vulnerable cruisers and liveaboards are. There is quite literally no way I would ever sail my own boat for an extended period of time in ANY waters without being heavily armed. I hope that the outcome is somehow good for this guy, but I can't help but think that there is a serious case of "that can't happen to me" going on with a lot of people traveling in known hostile waters.

This past year? Which Island? Which Anchorage? Did the men have uniforms and identify them selves? "Armed men" in the Caribbean is pretty serious.

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I was cruising some Caribbean waters over new years with a large flotilla. The first anchorage we stopped in, we were approached fairly quickly by a common "pirate" skiff style boat with armed men. They "asked" for 5 usd per person to stay overnight. Of course we handed the money over straight away. Boat is easily seen in the middle of our raft.

 

This encounter made me realize how vulnerable cruisers and liveaboards are. There is quite literally no way I would ever sail my own boat for an extended period of time in ANY waters without being heavily armed. I hope that the outcome is somehow good for this guy, but I can't help but think that there is a serious case of "that can't happen to me" going on with a lot of people traveling in known hostile waters.

 

 

There is no practical way to cruise a boat with firearms. Not even in the US, the chance is very great you will end up in the local jail enjoying a rape or two along with your three hots and a cot. Nothing screams morons like Moorings charter boats flying all kinds of laundry rafted up together. That skiff looks a lot like the game wardens you will meet in the anchorages around St. Lucia and The Tobago Cays. Did you assholes have the right cruising permits for the trip?

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I was cruising some Caribbean waters over new years with a large flotilla. The first anchorage we stopped in, we were approached fairly quickly by a common "pirate" skiff style boat with armed men. They "asked" for 5 usd per person to stay overnight. Of course we handed the money over straight away. Boat is easily seen in the middle of our raft.

 

This encounter made me realize how vulnerable cruisers and liveaboards are. There is quite literally no way I would ever sail my own boat for an extended period of time in ANY waters without being heavily armed. I hope that the outcome is somehow good for this guy, but I can't help but think that there is a serious case of "that can't happen to me" going on with a lot of people traveling in known hostile waters.

I would just take the Dubinator with me...

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He'd take those pirates for a little moonlight stroll.

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Piracy is a plague. The world's governments have to track them down and bring them to justice. Cruisers have to be smart and avoid the areas where they operate.

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He'd take those pirates for a little moonlight stroll.

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did always love dubinator's fanny pack .

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And its still going strong...

 

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The key is making examples for all to see and setting precedent so it never happens again. If you pick up the telephone and demand a ransom for the safe return of another person. The only certainty is you will die along with all those around you. The message. Don't do it, stop it the moment you see anyone else with idea to hold someone for ransom.

 

 

Russian style. After some examples have been made in the middle east, I bet Russian tourists are pretty safe around the world....

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I was cruising some Caribbean waters over new years with a large flotilla. The first anchorage we stopped in, we were approached fairly quickly by a common "pirate" skiff style boat with armed men. They "asked" for 5 usd per person to stay overnight. Of course we handed the money over straight away. Boat is easily seen in the middle of our raft.

 

This encounter made me realize how vulnerable cruisers and liveaboards are. There is quite literally no way I would ever sail my own boat for an extended period of time in ANY waters without being heavily armed. I hope that the outcome is somehow good for this guy, but I can't help but think that there is a serious case of "that can't happen to me" going on with a lot of people traveling in known hostile waters.

This past year? Which Island? Which Anchorage? Did the men have uniforms and identify them selves? "Armed men" in the Caribbean is pretty serious.

 

 

That's the BucketLust bitches... they were down in Belize. Quite frankly I'm surprised they didn't get them disgustingly drunk and laid.

 

 

The whole Kjartan release has a bit of additional twist to it. He was expat local and obviously has local friends; one of them is a "business man", "B". Remember this is a country where big rollers move about in armoured cash vans as limos, a hit can be bought for $100US and any off-track tourist hotels will have shotgun wielding doormen; I'd look askew at anyone successful in Phillipines.

 

Story I'd heard... B was somewhat upset ("apoplectic" was the term that was used) that someone had the audacity to kidnap a friend of his. B had people on ground, located Kjartan, and started "negotiations" (offered to send the rest of his boys to visit if Kjartan was harmed) within a couple weeks of the whole incident.

 

Level of influence I'm not sure of but Kjartan was the only foreigner to walk away; with out question there was some local politics going on.

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I was cruising some Caribbean waters over new years with a large flotilla. The first anchorage we stopped in, we were approached fairly quickly by a common "pirate" skiff style boat with armed men. They "asked" for 5 usd per person to stay overnight. Of course we handed the money over straight away. Boat is easily seen in the middle of our raft.

 

This encounter made me realize how vulnerable cruisers and liveaboards are. There is quite literally no way I would ever sail my own boat for an extended period of time in ANY waters without being heavily armed. I hope that the outcome is somehow good for this guy, but I can't help but think that there is a serious case of "that can't happen to me" going on with a lot of people traveling in known hostile waters.

If you carry a firearm, why didn't you shoot the fucks?

It looks like there was only 2 of them

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Story I'd heard... B was somewhat upset ("apoplectic" was the term that was used) that someone had the audacity to kidnap a friend of his. B had people on ground, located Kjartan, and started "negotiations" (offered to send the rest of his boys to visit if Kjartan was harmed) within a couple weeks of the whole incident.

 

Level of influence I'm not sure of but Kjartan was the only foreigner to walk away; with out question there was some local politics going on.

 

 

He was held captured almost a year.....must have been slow negotiations.

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This isn't an OBL case of going after one of the most dangerous people in the world.

This isn't a case of rescuing blameless children or aid workers.

 

This is an arrogant yachtie. Whether German, American, British or who the fuck it, doesn't matter.

This fuckwit decided to run the gauntlet in waters known for piracy.

He gambled and lost. Don't waste money on ransom and definitely don't waste money on military action.

Isnt this his second time back to retrieve his boat...after being captured the first time?

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This isn't an OBL case of going after one of the most dangerous people in the world.

This isn't a case of rescuing blameless children or aid workers.

 

This is an arrogant yachtie. Whether German, American, British or who the fuck it, doesn't matter.

This fuckwit decided to run the gauntlet in waters known for piracy.

He gambled and lost. Don't waste money on ransom and definitely don't waste money on military action.

Isnt this his second time back to retrieve his boat...after being captured the first time?

 

Yup, what a clown. Deserves what he gets.

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This isn't an OBL case of going after one of the most dangerous people in the world.

This isn't a case of rescuing blameless children or aid workers.

 

This is an arrogant yachtie. Whether German, American, British or who the fuck it, doesn't matter.

This fuckwit decided to run the gauntlet in waters known for piracy.

He gambled and lost. Don't waste money on ransom and definitely don't waste money on military action.

Isnt this his second time back to retrieve his boat...after being captured the first time?

 

Yup, what a clown. Deserves what he gets.

 

Dunno if he deserved it but he sure as hell is a slow learner.

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This isn't an OBL case of going after one of the most dangerous people in the world.

This isn't a case of rescuing blameless children or aid workers.

 

This is an arrogant yachtie. Whether German, American, British or who the fuck it, doesn't matter.

This fuckwit decided to run the gauntlet in waters known for piracy.

He gambled and lost. Don't waste money on ransom and definitely don't waste money on military action.

Isnt this his second time back to retrieve his boat...after being captured the first time?

 

Yup, what a clown. Deserves what he gets.

 

Yup definitely deserves to be beheaded on video...you're a clown.

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No first time was Somalia eventually got released and then went to SW Phillipines....not sure you could pick 2 worst locations on planet earth if you tried. Assume the next stop was Nth Korea?

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This isn't an OBL case of going after one of the most dangerous people in the world.

This isn't a case of rescuing blameless children or aid workers.

 

This is an arrogant yachtie. Whether German, American, British or who the fuck it, doesn't matter.

This fuckwit decided to run the gauntlet in waters known for piracy.

He gambled and lost. Don't waste money on ransom and definitely don't waste money on military action.

Isnt this his second time back to retrieve his boat...after being captured the first time?

Yup, what a clown. Deserves what he gets.

Yup definitely deserves to be beheaded on video...you're a clown.

Nobody deserves, well maybe a couple in hindsight.

 

But he's a grade one fucking idiot and deserves almost no sympathy at all, and most definitely not the lives of others that might go in there to find him and get out.

 

Maybe the only way to fix his kind of stupid.

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This isn't an OBL case of going after one of the most dangerous people in the world.

This isn't a case of rescuing blameless children or aid workers.

 

This is an arrogant yachtie. Whether German, American, British or who the fuck it, doesn't matter.

This fuckwit decided to run the gauntlet in waters known for piracy.

He gambled and lost. Don't waste money on ransom and definitely don't waste money on military action.

 

Isnt this his second time back to retrieve his boat...after being captured the first time?

Yup, what a clown. Deserves what he gets.

What you never banged a crazy redhead a second time after working out she was a nut job?

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This isn't an OBL case of going after one of the most dangerous people in the world.

This isn't a case of rescuing blameless children or aid workers.

 

This is an arrogant yachtie. Whether German, American, British or who the fuck it, doesn't matter.

This fuckwit decided to run the gauntlet in waters known for piracy.

He gambled and lost. Don't waste money on ransom and definitely don't waste money on military action.

Isnt this his second time back to retrieve his boat...after being captured the first time?
Yup, what a clown. Deserves what he gets.
What you never banged a crazy redhead a second time after working out she was a nut job?

 

I was fortunate it didn't lead to beheading.

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Did she take her teeth out?

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...the proverbial german thoroughness: you gotta get abducted by all baddies worldwide to be able to form an educated opinion! what a clown! & now taxmoney should be used to free him?

a bad situation can arise very quickly with no forwarning & in an area where no incidents were recorded before (we had a bullthole in our mast, several in the main & nightmares for quite some time...), but to go from the worst area worldwide straight to the second after having gotten away..."slow learner", to put it mildly!

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Armed men asking for *$5*

:lol:

I think you met the park rangers. Pirates would have added a zero or three to that ;)

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What you never banged a crazy redhead a second time after working out she was a nut job?

you know my first wife

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I was cruising some Caribbean waters over new years with a large flotilla. The first anchorage we stopped in, we were approached fairly quickly by a common "pirate" skiff style boat with armed men. They "asked" for 5 usd per person to stay overnight. Of course we handed the money over straight away. Boat is easily seen in the middle of our raft.

 

This encounter made me realize how vulnerable cruisers and liveaboards are. There is quite literally no way I would ever sail my own boat for an extended period of time in ANY waters without being heavily armed. I hope that the outcome is somehow good for this guy, but I can't help but think that there is a serious case of "that can't happen to me" going on with a lot of people traveling in known hostile waters.

 

 

There is no practical way to cruise a boat with firearms. Not even in the US, the chance is very great you will end up in the local jail enjoying a rape or two along with your three hots and a cot. Nothing screams morons like Moorings charter boats flying all kinds of laundry rafted up together. That skiff looks a lot like the game wardens you will meet in the anchorages around St. Lucia and The Tobago Cays. Did you assholes have the right cruising permits for the trip?

 

 

Yeah St. Lucia is the only place in the world with skiffs.

 

I love the prison jargon, you sound like you're really in the know. Thanks for the advice.

 

Partying assholes: definitely Morons: absolutley not. We're not new to this.

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And its still going strong...

 

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Ist ashamme that Ian Dubbs dossente visitte "spunck soacked munkey pitte" anny morre. :)

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I agree Snaggs but some of the shit stained Monkey masturbating cunt pussies here might disagree. I think after his fine efforts here, Amazon have snapped him up to promote all their books worldwide.

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...and the world thinks we American's are crazy because we want to keep guns in our homes! When one's home is a boat and may sail into troubled waters, doesn't it make sense to want small arms to repel boarders if necessary?

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When one's home is a boat and may sail into troubled waters, doesn't it make sense to want small arms to repel boarders if necessary?

Unless your definition of small arms is large calibre automatic to match what they have then it makes no sense. Your better off with a flare gun and a good supply of white shells. BTW white is COLREG's attention not distress colour and they can be very effective especially at night, when your not sure, against gas powered boats etc and at least don't cause customs issues, well in most places anyway.

 

If you think you must have something more than that well an RPG should give you the upper hand out there...in court because you have just smoked a local dive boat probably not.

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...and the world thinks we American's are crazy because we want to keep guns in our homes! When one's home is a boat and may sail into troubled waters, doesn't it make sense to want small arms to repel boarders if necessary?

No, you should travel more .

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When one's home is a boat and may sail into troubled waters, doesn't it make sense to want small arms to repel boarders if necessary?

Your better off with a flare gun and a good supply of white shells.

 

Someone could invent a long barreled repeating flare gun, complete w/red dot sights and an accurized flare.

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When one's home is a boat and may sail into troubled waters, doesn't it make sense to want small arms to repel boarders if necessary?

Your better off with a flare gun and a good supply of white shells.

Someone could invent a long barreled repeating flare gun, complete w/red dot sights and an accurized flare.

They already do ...but it takes a long time painting the shotgun pellets luminous white.

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...such a tough dilemma,, especially for the families of someone captured....

 

...... nobody wants to support and fund the captors,, but nobody wants to lose their dad,husband,son either. :mellow:

 

the problem is the Euros, the Germans in particular, have funded Al Qaida and ISIS to the tune of several hundred MILLION dollars. All it does it make them try harder to capture people from the countries they know will pay and that funds their terrorist enterprises. Abu Sayaaf is just taking their cue from their other radical islamic brothers in the ME.

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The public can buy white phosphorus in easy to apply paintable liquid? :o

By the way we Lee in all seriousness a flare gun with a good supply of white shells is nearly a must have in Asia. Between fishing boats who suddenly cut across your bow on account they believe a near miss brings good luck in the catch department and the fuckers who tow unlit barges on long strings ...you go through a lot of shells. Trouble is old fashioned metal flare pistols are now nearly impossible to get and their plastic facsimilies are unreliable if not dangerous on account their specs are boarding on one off use. I am told some now use sawn off shotguns and 12g flare shells now because of that....which also become handy in the piracy deterent department.

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Lee I think you have an obsessive flare or anything gun obsesion thing happening son. It will make you famous or infamous, I suspect.

 

In the early 70's I was in Montreaux, Switzerland overlooking Lake Geneva and at a Frank Zappa concert. Some fuckin idiot (wasn't me) fired off a flare pistol and the theatre caught fire and was destroyed. We didn't get our fucking money back, and I got seperated from a Danish girl I had just met...so I was pretty pissed. Anyway a little bit later.

 

Seems Deep Purple were also in town that night, recording I assume and observed all that smoke hanging over Lake Geneva.. Listen carefully to the lyrics of their "Smoke on the Water" for that story of flare pistols.

 

So Lee stay the fuck away from music festivals if your packing more than a toothbrush.

 

 

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I have 25 mm flare pistol and actually have shot magnesium white flares at someone who was playing at half-ass pirate. It did work, they ran off at high speed B)

Another time facing a potential adversary in a steel ship, the 12 gauge looked as useful as a BB gun. We had a fake radio conversation between each other and someone played being the USCG. The ship went off and did something else :lol:

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Lee I think you have an obsessive flare or anything gun obsesion thing happening son. It will make you famous or infamous, I suspect.

 

In the early 70's I was in Montreaux, Switzerland overlooking Lake Geneva and at a Frank Zappa concert. Some fuckin idiot (wasn't me) fired off a flare pistol and the theatre caught fire and was destroyed. We didn't get our fucking money back, and I got seperated from a Danish girl I had just met...so I was pretty pissed. Anyway a little bit later.

 

Seems Deep Purple were also in town that night, recording I assume and observed all that smoke hanging over Lake Geneva.. Listen carefully to the lyrics of their "Smoke on the Water" for that story of flare pistols.

 

So Lee stay the fuck away from music festivals if your packing more than a toothbrush.

 

 

 

Yes, I'm aware the lyrics of that song have basis in fact.

I also saw Deep Purple do a double bill with Fleetwood Mac in the Mpls. Armory (may or may not have been packing acid) in '71 or '72 or '73 so when you were there @ Mont. it was the very early '70's or maybe even the late '60's?

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Pirates tend to keep clear of Texan girls...so always good to have one or two on board.

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Lee I think you have an obsessive flare or anything gun obsesion thing happening son. It will make you famous or infamous, I suspect.

 

In the early 70's I was in Montreaux, Switzerland overlooking Lake Geneva and at a Frank Zappa concert. Some fuckin idiot (wasn't me) fired off a flare pistol and the theatre caught fire and was destroyed. We didn't get our fucking money back, and I got seperated from a Danish girl I had just met...so I was pretty pissed. Anyway a little bit later.

 

Seems Deep Purple were also in town that night, recording I assume and observed all that smoke hanging over Lake Geneva.. Listen carefully to the lyrics of their "Smoke on the Water" for that story of flare pistols.

 

So Lee stay the fuck away from music festivals if your packing more than a toothbrush.

 

 

 

I thought Smoke on the Water came from the hotel that they were to record the album in burned down before they could get in there.

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I thought Smoke on the Water came from the hotel that they were to record the album in burned down before they could get in there.

Both actually...They had a mobile studio. The Casino was where Frank was playing. Some DP guys were also in the audience.

 

Lyrics:

 

We all came out to Montreux

On the Lake Geneva shoreline

To make records with a mobile

We didn't have much time

Frank Zappa and the Mothers

Were at the best place around

But some stupid with a flare gun

Burned the place to the ground

Smoke on the water, a fire in the sky

Smoke on the water

 

They burned down the gambling house

It died with an awful sound

Funky Claude was running in and out

Pulling kids out the ground

When it all was over

We had to find another place

But Swiss time was running out

It seemed that we would lose the race

Smoke on the water, a fire in the sky

Smoke on the water

 

We ended up at the Grand Hotel

It was empty, cold and bare

But with the Rolling truck Stones thing just outside

Making our music there

With a few red lights, a few old beds

We made a place to sweat

No matter what we get out of this

I know, I know we'll never forget

Smoke on the water, a fire in the sky

Smoke on the water

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...such a tough dilemma,, especially for the families of someone captured....

 

...... nobody wants to support and fund the captors,, but nobody wants to lose their dad,husband,son either. :mellow:

 

the problem is the Euros, the Germans in particular, have funded Al Qaida and ISIS to the tune of several hundred MILLION dollars. All it does it make them try harder to capture people from the countries they know will pay and that funds their terrorist enterprises. Abu Sayaaf is just taking their cue from their other radical islamic brothers in the ME.

 

 

The US is funding Al Qaeda right now. Make sure you double check which group is getting funding from who.

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...such a tough dilemma,, especially for the families of someone captured....

 

...... nobody wants to support and fund the captors,, but nobody wants to lose their dad,husband,son either. :mellow:

the problem is the Euros, the Germans in particular, have funded Al Qaida and ISIS to the tune of several hundred MILLION dollars. All it does it make them try harder to capture people from the countries they know will pay and that funds their terrorist enterprises. Abu Sayaaf is just taking their cue from their other radical islamic brothers in the ME.

The US is funding Al Qaeda right now. Make sure you double check which group is getting funding from who.

The US is finding Al Quasda there. WTF. TPG have you ever been to this part of the world..do you understand the local political situation? I suggest not you Turnip.

 

If just for your edification it is a minute divided by a minute divided by 1000 version of the shit fight in the Middle East, so consequentially no western nation gives a fuck including the US....well until these pricks start acting more global than beheading cruising sailors.

 

After all quick change of strategy and they can get on a plane and be in say Sydney Australis in 6 hours. Even the big dick swinging Phillo President doesn't worry too much about these muslim extremist/ ISIS pricks down south posing as poor pirates. That's because they are not a problem in the more populated north where the votes are for him.

 

This sailor guy is fucked because of his own Germanic stupidity plus no one cares other than his family.

 

Go have a look at what is happening in Mosul in Nth Iraq ...that is where sympathy and resources should be going and every Western country including the US are trying to help put this ISIS shit to rest.

 

Probably 100 inocent people, women and children included died in that joint in the short time it took me to write this rant about your idiotic comment. That's fucking horrifying by any measure.

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...such a tough dilemma,, especially for the families of someone captured....

 

...... nobody wants to support and fund the captors,, but nobody wants to lose their dad,husband,son either. :mellow:

the problem is the Euros, the Germans in particular, have funded Al Qaida and ISIS to the tune of several hundred MILLION dollars. All it does it make them try harder to capture people from the countries they know will pay and that funds their terrorist enterprises. Abu Sayaaf is just taking their cue from their other radical islamic brothers in the ME.

The US is funding Al Qaeda right now. Make sure you double check which group is getting funding from who.

The US is finding Al Quasda there. WTF. TPG have you ever been to this part of the world..do you understand the local political situation? I suggest not you Turnip.

 

If just for your edification it is a minute divided by a minute divided by 1000 version of the shit fight in the Middle East, so consequentially no western nation gives a fuck including the US....well until these pricks start acting more global than beheading cruising sailors.

 

After all quick change of strategy and they can get on a plane and be in say Sydney Australis in 6 hours. Even the big dick swinging Phillo President doesn't worry too much about these muslim extremist/ ISIS pricks down south posing as poor pirates. That's because they are not a problem in the more populated north where the votes are for him.

 

This sailor guy is fucked because of his own Germanic stupidity plus no one cares other than his family.

 

Go have a look at what is happening in Mosul in Nth Iraq ...that is where sympathy and resources should be going and every Western country including the US are trying to help put this ISIS shit to rest.

 

Probably 100 inocent people, women and children included died in that joint in the short time it took me to write this rant about your idiotic comment. That's fucking horrifying by any measure.

 

 

Thank you for backing my point.

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...such a tough dilemma,, especially for the families of someone captured....

 

...... nobody wants to support and fund the captors,, but nobody wants to lose their dad,husband,son either. :mellow:

the problem is the Euros, the Germans in particular, have funded Al Qaida and ISIS to the tune of several hundred MILLION dollars. All it does it make them try harder to capture people from the countries they know will pay and that funds their terrorist enterprises. Abu Sayaaf is just taking their cue from their other radical islamic brothers in the ME.

The US is funding Al Qaeda right now. Make sure you double check which group is getting funding from who.

The US is finding Al Quasda there. WTF. TPG have you ever been to this part of the world..do you understand the local political situation? I suggest not you Turnip.

 

If just for your edification it is a minute divided by a minute divided by 1000 version of the shit fight in the Middle East, so consequentially no western nation gives a fuck including the US....well until these pricks start acting more global than beheading cruising sailors.

 

After all quick change of strategy and they can get on a plane and be in say Sydney Australis in 6 hours. Even the big dick swinging Phillo President doesn't worry too much about these muslim extremist/ ISIS pricks down south posing as poor pirates. That's because they are not a problem in the more populated north where the votes are for him.

 

This sailor guy is fucked because of his own Germanic stupidity plus no one cares other than his family.

 

Go have a look at what is happening in Mosul in Nth Iraq ...that is where sympathy and resources should be going and every Western country including the US are trying to help put this ISIS shit to rest.

 

Probably 100 inocent people, women and children included died in that joint in the short time it took me to write this rant about your idiotic comment. That's fucking horrifying by any measure.

Thank you for backing my point.

Fuck off and how dare you try and walk away with your hollow agreement shit ..Your highlight quote of what I said wasn't your point at all..Your point as you posted in black and white and for all to see was the US was directly or indirectly funding these fuckers.

 

Know the subject and think before you post political/country centric shit you turnip. Keep doing it and I will put John Wick on your arse.

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Fuck off and how dare you try and walk away with your hollow agreement shit ..Your highlight quote of what I said wasn't your point at all..Your point as you posted in black and white and for all to see was the US was directly or indirectly funding these fuckers.

 

Know the subject and think before you post political/country centric shit you turnip. Keep doing it and I will put John Wick on your arse.

 

 

Awww snowflake.

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So that's it then, all four that were kidnapped from the marina are now dead?

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Not being interested in reading Any part of this thread

 

Nore going to PA

 

I wonder if GA might be better for this to be in PA ??

 

Pretty Sure The KING haz the keys to His Castle and all - But none the less

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Someone needs to correct the front page. It mentions Indonesia, when these events happened in the Phillipines.

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So that's it then, all four that were kidnapped from the marina are now dead?

Marina 4 seperate. I think 2 of 4 are still held other two beheaded.

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Whatever happened to Bedford, did he get the hell outta there safely??

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Whatever happened to Bedford, did he get the hell outta there safely??

A Robert Hall from Bedford was mistakenly identified as the Canadian Robert Hall who was beheaded along with the other Canadian. I just checked, the other 2 from the Marina 4, a Norwegian (who managed the Marina) and a local were released last year.

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As long as the victims were where they should be? All our governments should do what they can with negotiations, money, and the military to get them back with the lowest possible risk to the rescuers. The moment the victims are free or gone. The entire area and every place they have been or might go should be destroyed from the air. Future pirates should get the message. There is not upside or chance to proper as a pirate or taking the citizens of another nation hostage. If you try to sneak into the likes of North Korea for excitement. You are on your own. If you vessel is snatched in international waters. Hell should appear from the sky in all directions.

 

Do not see the payments as ransom or negotiation in the true sense. The payments are nothing more than bait and tools to be used to destroy the perpetrators all all those near them.

I agree - how much in the way of financial and military resources could a small terrorist group like Abu Sayyaf have that would pose any oppositional threat to an elite task force of any nation nearby. Why not launch a Navy Seal stealth type operation, and sweep through these islands, mount a rescue and then blow the bejesus out of the culprits. This is an attack on all sea farers and should snuffed out quickly, cleanly and efficiently.

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Well that Mr Mow your "just blow the bejesus out of the culprets' is coming from someone who has spent zip time in the third world let alone southern PI. These pricks don't run around wearing a target. This shit is an industry that many feed off incl local law enforcement. The locals have to deal with this shit first if it is to be effective, Bringing in John Wayne or John Wick will not work.

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As long as the victims were where they should be? All our governments should do what they can with negotiations, money, and the military to get them back with the lowest possible risk to the rescuers. The moment the victims are free or gone. The entire area and every place they have been or might go should be destroyed from the air. Future pirates should get the message. There is not upside or chance to proper as a pirate or taking the citizens of another nation hostage. If you try to sneak into the likes of North Korea for excitement. You are on your own. If you vessel is snatched in international waters. Hell should appear from the sky in all directions.

 

Do not see the payments as ransom or negotiation in the true sense. The payments are nothing more than bait and tools to be used to destroy the perpetrators all all those near them.

I agree - how much in the way of financial and military resources could a small terrorist group like Abu Sayyaf have that would pose any oppositional threat to an elite task force of any nation nearby. Why not launch a Navy Seal stealth type operation, and sweep through these islands, mount a rescue and then blow the bejesus out of the culprits. This is an attack on all sea farers and should snuffed out quickly, cleanly and efficiently.

 

 

Good luck with that .. there is more than 7,000 Islands in the Philippines .. 2,000 of them are inhabited.

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As long as the victims were where they should be? All our governments should do what they can with negotiations, money, and the military to get them back with the lowest possible risk to the rescuers. The moment the victims are free or gone. The entire area and every place they have been or might go should be destroyed from the air. Future pirates should get the message. There is not upside or chance to proper as a pirate or taking the citizens of another nation hostage. If you try to sneak into the likes of North Korea for excitement. You are on your own. If you vessel is snatched in international waters. Hell should appear from the sky in all directions.

 

Do not see the payments as ransom or negotiation in the true sense. The payments are nothing more than bait and tools to be used to destroy the perpetrators all all those near them.

I agree - how much in the way of financial and military resources could a small terrorist group like Abu Sayyaf have that would pose any oppositional threat to an elite task force of any nation nearby. Why not launch a Navy Seal stealth type operation, and sweep through these islands, mount a rescue and then blow the bejesus out of the culprits. This is an attack on all sea farers and should snuffed out quickly, cleanly and efficiently.

 

 

There was an attack force of Navy Seals backed by aircraft embedded in the area with the mission to wipe out Abu Sayyaf but the Philippine clown President Duterte kicked the Americans out. " Now who you gonna call " ?

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As long as the victims were where they should be? All our governments should do what they can with negotiations, money, and the military to get them back with the lowest possible risk to the rescuers. The moment the victims are free or gone. The entire area and every place they have been or might go should be destroyed from the air. Future pirates should get the message. There is not upside or chance to proper as a pirate or taking the citizens of another nation hostage. If you try to sneak into the likes of North Korea for excitement. You are on your own. If you vessel is snatched in international waters. Hell should appear from the sky in all directions.

 

Do not see the payments as ransom or negotiation in the true sense. The payments are nothing more than bait and tools to be used to destroy the perpetrators all all those near them.

I agree - how much in the way of financial and military resources could a small terrorist group like Abu Sayyaf have that would pose any oppositional threat to an elite task force of any nation nearby. Why not launch a Navy Seal stealth type operation, and sweep through these islands, mount a rescue and then blow the bejesus out of the culprits. This is an attack on all sea farers and should snuffed out quickly, cleanly and efficiently.

 

 

There was an attack force of Navy Seals backed by aircraft embedded in the area with the mission to wipe out Abu Sayyaf but the Philippine clown President Duterte kicked the Americans out. " Now who you gonna call " ?

 

 

 

there is an entire academic discipline devoted to the study of insurgencies - both past and present.., and how political and military powers have attempted to deal with them.

 

i know, because my daughter studies it

 

it goes back to the roman empire - actually even further back.., except the records of what actually happened before then get kind of thin.

 

mostly.., it is the study of failure

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As long as the victims were where they should be? All our governments should do what they can with negotiations, money, and the military to get them back with the lowest possible risk to the rescuers. The moment the victims are free or gone. The entire area and every place they have been or might go should be destroyed from the air. Future pirates should get the message. There is not upside or chance to proper as a pirate or taking the citizens of another nation hostage. If you try to sneak into the likes of North Korea for excitement. You are on your own. If you vessel is snatched in international waters. Hell should appear from the sky in all directions.

 

Do not see the payments as ransom or negotiation in the true sense. The payments are nothing more than bait and tools to be used to destroy the perpetrators all all those near them.

I agree - how much in the way of financial and military resources could a small terrorist group like Abu Sayyaf have that would pose any oppositional threat to an elite task force of any nation nearby. Why not launch a Navy Seal stealth type operation, and sweep through these islands, mount a rescue and then blow the bejesus out of the culprits. This is an attack on all sea farers and should snuffed out quickly, cleanly and efficiently.

There was an attack force of Navy Seals backed by aircraft embedded in the area with the mission to wipe out Abu Sayyaf but the Philippine clown President Duterte kicked the Americans out. " Now who you gonna call " ?

 

there is an entire academic discipline devoted to the study of insurgencies - both past and present.., and how political and military powers have attempted to deal with them.

 

i know, because my daughter studies it

 

it goes back to the roman empire - actually even further back.., except the records of what actually happened before then get kind of thin.

 

mostly.., it is the study of failure

Fuck me..what unadulterated drivel...I'm speachless. Have you idealistic fuckwits ever being shot at in a shit hole like this where it doesn't matter who is shooting who? Get your hands off your dicks.

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As long as the victims were where they should be? All our governments should do what they can with negotiations, money, and the military to get them back with the lowest possible risk to the rescuers. The moment the victims are free or gone. The entire area and every place they have been or might go should be destroyed from the air. Future pirates should get the message. There is not upside or chance to proper as a pirate or taking the citizens of another nation hostage. If you try to sneak into the likes of North Korea for excitement. You are on your own. If you vessel is snatched in international waters. Hell should appear from the sky in all directions.

 

Do not see the payments as ransom or negotiation in the true sense. The payments are nothing more than bait and tools to be used to destroy the perpetrators all all those near them.

I agree - how much in the way of financial and military resources could a small terrorist group like Abu Sayyaf have that would pose any oppositional threat to an elite task force of any nation nearby. Why not launch a Navy Seal stealth type operation, and sweep through these islands, mount a rescue and then blow the bejesus out of the culprits. This is an attack on all sea farers and should snuffed out quickly, cleanly and efficiently.

There was an attack force of Navy Seals backed by aircraft embedded in the area with the mission to wipe out Abu Sayyaf but the Philippine clown President Duterte kicked the Americans out. " Now who you gonna call " ?

 

there is an entire academic discipline devoted to the study of insurgencies - both past and present.., and how political and military powers have attempted to deal with them.

 

i know, because my daughter studies it

 

it goes back to the roman empire - actually even further back.., except the records of what actually happened before then get kind of thin.

 

mostly.., it is the study of failure

Fuck me..what unadulterated drivel...I'm speachless. Have you idealistic fuckwits ever being shot at in a shit hole like this where it doesn't matter who is shooting who? Get your hands off your dicks.

 

 

which part makes you "speachless".., the field of study.., or what I said about it?

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which part makes you "speachless".., the field of study.., or what I said about it?

Simple...your naivety

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which part makes you "speachless".., the field of study.., or what I said about it?

Simple...your naivety

 

 

 

you haven't clarified much about your opinion.., so let's review:

 

I said that using military power to deal with insurgencies is usually not successful

 

you said that this belief is naive

 

so, I guess that means that you think that military power can be used with success against insurgencies

 

perhaps you even think military power could be used successfully against Abu Sayaaf in this situation

 

OK...

 

This is now in the realm of topics covered in PA, and while I have read what happens there.., i don't post, so let's agree to disagree and leave it at that

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which part makes you "speachless".., the field of study.., or what I said about it?

Simple...your naivety

 

you haven't clarified much about your opinion.., so let's review:

 

I said that using military power to deal with insurgencies is usually not successful

 

you said that this belief is naive

 

so, I guess that means that you think that military power can be used with success against insurgencies

 

perhaps you even think military power could be used successfully against Abu Sayaaf in this situation

 

OK...

 

This is now in the realm of topics covered in PA, and while I have read what happens there.., i don't post, so let's agree to disagree and leave it at that

I have said nothing of the sort...you clearly can't comprehend plain English. Stop preaching about something you know fuck all about....and as for tieing it it back to the Roman empire...Your on fuckin crack.

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which part makes you "speachless".., the field of study.., or what I said about it?

Simple...your naivety

 

you haven't clarified much about your opinion.., so let's review:

 

I said that using military power to deal with insurgencies is usually not successful

 

you said that this belief is naive

 

so, I guess that means that you think that military power can be used with success against insurgencies

 

perhaps you even think military power could be used successfully against Abu Sayaaf in this situation

 

OK...

 

This is now in the realm of topics covered in PA, and while I have read what happens there.., i don't post, so let's agree to disagree and leave it at that

I have said nothing of the sort...you clearly can't comprehend plain English. Stop preaching about something you know fuck all about.

 

 

 

Ok..

 

so let's agree to agree!

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based on what i have heard recently. can not confirm but does make sense. the hostage taking at that marina in 2015, in Davao which led to several be headings was a pissed off reaction to the kidnap group not getting their intended target. in those waters was also a a big steel schooner with Christian Missionaries doing God's Work. they left two days before the incident. that was their target. that boat is currently in Bacolod and the ASG are now targeting them there. they are leaving soon for Palau. they have finally figured out that the Philippines is not a safe place for them.

 

source of information? our bowman got to know this group when they were in Manila and is still in touch with them.

 

again. in this age of instant access information. these people are only now figuring out that the southern Philippines is not safe?

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I was cruising some Caribbean waters over new years with a large flotilla. The first anchorage we stopped in, we were approached fairly quickly by a common "pirate" skiff style boat with armed men. They "asked" for 5 usd per person to stay overnight. Of course we handed the money over straight away. Boat is easily seen in the middle of our raft.

 

This encounter made me realize how vulnerable cruisers and liveaboards are. There is quite literally no way I would ever sail my own boat for an extended period of time in ANY waters without being heavily armed. I hope that the outcome is somehow good for this guy, but I can't help but think that there is a serious case of "that can't happen to me" going on with a lot of people traveling in known hostile waters.

 

This is one of the more daft statements I've read.

 

Traveling "heavily armed" everywhere in the world, except maybe in America as an American, is 1) a monumental pain in the ass and 2) really not necessary.

 

The hot spots and dangerous areas are pretty well known. If you into one, yeah you are taking your risks and you know them. Sometimes horror results. This whole story is horrifying; I don't know these guys but the cruising community is small, and there's one degree of separation to them.

 

But you don't have to go to those places.

 

I lived in New York City for seven years, and in visiting about 25 countries under sail in the last five years I've never felt as at risk as I did in NY. And like NY, the rest of the world, has "common sense" about where you go and when. I would no more visit the southern Phillipines as I would hang out on Tremont Ave. at two in the morning.

 

Frankly, if you are that scared of your own shadow then the cruising lifestyle probably isn't for you.

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I was cruising some Caribbean waters over new years with a large flotilla. The first anchorage we stopped in, we were approached fairly quickly by a common "pirate" skiff style boat with armed men. They "asked" for 5 usd per person to stay overnight. Of course we handed the money over straight away. Boat is easily seen in the middle of our raft.

 

This encounter made me realize how vulnerable cruisers and liveaboards are. There is quite literally no way I would ever sail my own boat for an extended period of time in ANY waters without being heavily armed. I hope that the outcome is somehow good for this guy, but I can't help but think that there is a serious case of "that can't happen to me" going on with a lot of people traveling in known hostile waters.

 

This is one of the more daft statements I've read.

 

Traveling "heavily armed" everywhere in the world, except maybe in America as an American, is 1) a monumental pain in the ass and 2) really not necessary.

 

The hot spots and dangerous areas are pretty well known. If you into one, yeah you are taking your risks and you know them. Sometimes horror results. This whole story is horrifying; I don't know these guys but the cruising community is small, and there's one degree of separation to them.

 

But you don't have to go to those places.

 

I lived in New York City for seven years, and in visiting about 25 countries under sail in the last five years I've never felt as at risk as I did in NY. And like NY, the rest of the world, has "common sense" about where you go and when. I would no more visit the southern Phillipines as I would hang out on Tremont Ave. at two in the morning.

 

Frankly, if you are that scared of your own shadow then the cruising lifestyle probably isn't for you.

5 Bucks a head for armed personal protection, local at that, seems like a good deal. Especially if you get of to a friendly start and establish some ground rules.

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I was cruising some Caribbean waters over new years with a large flotilla. The first anchorage we stopped in, we were approached fairly quickly by a common "pirate" skiff style boat with armed men. They "asked" for 5 usd per person to stay overnight. Of course we handed the money over straight away. Boat is easily seen in the middle of our raft.

 

This encounter made me realize how vulnerable cruisers and liveaboards are. There is quite literally no way I would ever sail my own boat for an extended period of time in ANY waters without being heavily armed. I hope that the outcome is somehow good for this guy, but I can't help but think that there is a serious case of "that can't happen to me" going on with a lot of people traveling in known hostile waters.

This is one of the more daft statements I've read.

 

Traveling "heavily armed" everywhere in the world, except maybe in America as an American, is 1) a monumental pain in the ass and 2) really not necessary.

 

The hot spots and dangerous areas are pretty well known. If you into one, yeah you are taking your risks and you know them. Sometimes horror results. This whole story is horrifying; I don't know these guys but the cruising community is small, and there's one degree of separation to them.

 

But you don't have to go to those places.

 

I lived in New York City for seven years, and in visiting about 25 countries under sail in the last five years I've never felt as at risk as I did in NY. And like NY, the rest of the world, has "common sense" about where you go and when. I would no more visit the southern Phillipines as I would hang out on Tremont Ave. at two in the morning.

 

Frankly, if you are that scared of your own shadow then the cruising lifestyle probably isn't for you.

5 Bucks a head for armed personal protection, local at that, seems like a good deal. Especially if you get of to a friendly start and establish some ground rules.

 

 

I've never even had to consider something like that.

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let me add to this conversation about weapons. when we were still doing overnight races in our bay, two of my crew carried side arms in their gear bag. it has gotten to the point that no one sails at night on their own anymore.

 

about 30 years ago, it was rumored that a visiting yacht had shot and killed the crew of two bangkas, (local fishing boats) that attacked them. then sank the bangkas and threw their weapons overboard. for awhile, back then, thinks up north here became safer for us. however, times are changing. again, can not confirm this. but i have seen what has been happening up here.

 

was it right to do? i would say in this part of the world at that time? yes. today, you would need to be better armed if you want to shoot your way out.

 

or better yet. stay away from the southern regions.

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