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Expedition Software Weather Routing webinar

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Peter Isler is doing a webinar on Weather Routing in Expedition March 8th. Check it out if you are doing Trans Pac, or any other offshore racing this year. If you use Expedition his webinars should be required for your skipper and navigator! Check out the full schedule of his other upcoming Expedition Webinars.


More info and signup at http://northu.com/Webinars/ExpeditionWebinars/tabid/44440/language/en-US/Default.aspx

 

We have our pre Trans Pac Sale going now. Ventus PRO is available for $119.99 until the end of March.

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If expedition produced a proper manual you wouldn't have to pay NorthU for guidance.

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If expedition produced a proper manual you wouldn't have to pay NorthU for guidance.

+100000

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If expedition produced a proper manual you wouldn't have to pay NorthU for guidance.

+100000
Fuckin nonsense..its all there but you dicks clearly can't read or bother doing things like also speaking to adept users, reading up on companion material like Will Oxley's Expedition tome etc etc...and then if all else fails and you still have a problem, soft or hard, Nic White's support is second to none out there.

 

Lazy, moaning and inept Turnips you two are.

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Tell me how you really feel!!

 

Wills book is great now that I have years of experience and know the software pretty good. What would of been nice when learning if there was a manual that says " if you get this error message try this" or "can't perform this function without activating this"

 

Yes, Nic's support is great and all answers can be found if you search multiple sites.

 

Turnip two done!

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Well well worth $129 for the webinar.

 

Nic provides spectacular support.

 

BTW any intel on Oxley's second edition?

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If expedition produced a proper manual you wouldn't have to pay NorthU for guidance.

+100000
Fuckin nonsense..its all there but you dicks clearly can't read or bother doing things like also speaking to adept users, reading up on companion material like Will Oxley's Expedition tome etc etc...and then if all else fails and you still have a problem, soft or hard, Nic White's support is second to none out there.

 

Lazy, moaning and inept Turnips you two are.

 

Logic not your forte Jack?

 

1. Numerous people on this forum have commented on how good the support is when contacted

2. A third party (NorthU) has developed a business providing online training

3. Will Oxley has written a book explain why to and to some extent how to use expedition (yes I have a copy).

 

All of the above points you raise support a conclusion that the expedition manual is not up to standard. Now it may be that if you are a full time navigator using Expedition all the time, retired or otherwise employed in some mundane occupation with plenty of time on your hands to skulk around online forums or fuck around with software the absence of a proper manual is of no consequence. But if you do only two or three offshore races a year which require Expedition you want a concise reference manual available from the supplier, not a help line or third party sellers.

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nick can either spend his time improving the program, or he can spend it making a manual

 

i vote for him spending his time improving the program

 

it's not that hard to just figure it out yourself - that's what i did...

 

mostly, it's pretty intuitive

 

i really don't see what the big deal is

 

and for $20 or whatever it is, the book covers most of the basics

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If expedition produced a proper manual you wouldn't have to pay NorthU for guidance.

 

There's always Adrena.. How's your French? I have both. Nick's is better.

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If expedition produced a proper manual you wouldn't have to pay NorthU for guidance.

 

There's always Adrena.. How's your French? I have both. Nick's is better.

 

 

 

not to mention adrena costs about 3X as much

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And let's not forget the dedicated Expedition forum. Very helpful and a lot of good tips.

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If expedition produced a proper manual you wouldn't have to pay NorthU for guidance.

 

Thank you for your comments.

 

From my perspective, it is rather hard to teach someone to sail and navigate in addition to making the software, especially as everyone does things differently.

 

Which is why the Exp help is designed as a reference. The philosophy is that it explains what each function is for and how to use it rather than being a how to navigate guide.

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The learning curve is steep at the start, gosh knows I've done or tried to do more than my share of silly things, and been patiently prodded back into success, or ignored until I puzzled it out on my own. North Seminars are a good way to learn, the Buoy racing was a good tutorial, and using Exp to monitor/route something like the Pacific cup a good exercise.

 

Any program that evolves over time tends to an interface that is inconsistent, compared to one that was "architected".

Be very glad of a single developer personality, and not dealing with gang hacking. Try to figure out how to use some of the Sailing instruments from their manuals; again would you rather have accuracy and precision, or nice documentation.

 

We have some home grown TCAD/database/analysis tools at work, where the menu logic depended on who did the development, it's very powerful, very confusing for the uninitiated, and damn near impossible to maintain.

 

Don't get started on CADENCE EDA tools or SAS data analysis patched together from acquisitions that almost work, some of the time.

Converting versions of large tools is a multi-year experiment and prove out. (Don't ask about French and Germans collaborating on A380 using different versions of CATIA) Wife works in Hospital IT dept, you don't want to hear their horror stories that pop up in testing version, mostly.

 

The price to smooth out the interface (which is already well known by the experienced base,) is not worth the opportunity cost of adding features and zapping bugs.

The recent addition of the WiFi interface to H5000 and potential to integrate race timer betwixt is a lot more valuable than a few hundred pages of documents that have a transient value.

 

Nick, thanks for your patience, if you get to SF I owe you a few bottles of "Lioness".

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If expedition produced a proper manual you wouldn't have to pay NorthU for guidance.

 

Thank you for your comments.

 

From my perspective, it is rather hard to teach someone to sail and navigate in addition to making the software, especially as everyone does things differently.

 

Which is why the Exp help is designed as a reference. The philosophy is that it explains what each function is for and how to use it rather than being a how to navigate guide.

 

Hello Nick, what are you talking about, where did I say anything about a manual on how to sail or navigate? What I said was your manual is ordinary. I'll leave you with a final thought, does it matter how good the software is if the users aren't getting maximum use because the manual is substandard?

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The manual is not a tutorial.

 

Doesn't pretend to be.

 

Learning Exp is difficult, there's a lot of features and functionality built into it, and they are not always where you might look first.

It's improved in the the year I've been poking at it, and my minimal skills are far improved from working with it, screwing up, learning and asking better questions.

 

Oxleys's book is a good start, the exp forum a good place to ask questions, and paying for training if you happen to need it quite reasonable for any high end software.

 

Go buy any EDA suite and see how much tutorial you get that's beyond, here's how you install it that you will ever follow.

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Whether or not the Expedition help file is what you want it to be, the point behind the NorthU webinars, Will's book, Ocean Drivers etc is that a few people have acquired significant skill sets over the years that most will never have the opportunities to replicate and are willing to share them.

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And in the US they sign them. Something about accountability and personality of the forecasts.

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Bet you didn't know in the age of high tech nav software like Expedition, that the met guys are still hand drawing weather maps http://ab.co/2o5uuB4 - via @abcnews

 

 

You would lose that bet!

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Bet you didn't know in the age of high tech nav software like Expedition, that the met guys are still hand drawing weather maps http://ab.co/2o5uuB4 - via @abcnews

 

You would lose that bet!

Hitch who with??? outside the pencilers in countries that still do it...it floored me.

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Hi,

The second edition of my book is a while off. However, I am in the final stages of completing another book which is essentially, A "Gentle" introduction to Expedition software. The book takes you from turning on the software, through basic navigation and ends up with optimal routing. It's really the book that comes before Modern Race Navigation.

The first draft is written. I am just dealing with formatting. I wanted to make it an inexpensive PDF document that people can print if they want, but the software to achieve this is prohibitively expensive ie more than I will earn if the book is successful!

So, I think I will just stick with the Kindle format unless there are some other ideas out there for a technology to distribute the book.

 

 

Cheers,

Will Oxley.

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Bet you didn't know in the age of high tech nav software like Expedition, that the met guys are still hand drawing weather maps http://ab.co/2o5uuB4 - via @abcnews

 

You would lose that bet!

Hitch who with??? outside the pencilers in countries that still do it...it floored me.

 

Really Jack? I am surprised.

 

You can't got to a Commanders Wx briefing with out them breaking out the drawings first. I'm still using them even though I no longer use a Wx fax! Remember those?

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Hi,

The second edition of my book is a while off. However, I am in the final stages of completing another book which is essentially, A "Gentle" introduction to Expedition software. The book takes you from turning on the software, through basic navigation and ends up with optimal routing. It's really the book that comes before Modern Race Navigation.

The first draft is written. I am just dealing with formatting. I wanted to make it an inexpensive PDF document that people can print if they want, but the software to achieve this is prohibitively expensive ie more than I will earn if the book is successful!

So, I think I will just stick with the Kindle format unless there are some other ideas out there for a technology to distribute the book.

 

 

Cheers,

Will Oxley.

Excited for your next edition or preface to your earlier book. Thanks for helping us noobs in expedition.

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