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Been looking at buying a drone for personal and some coaching use. My question at its most basic form:

 

Do I need a mavic pro or could I get away with a phantom 3 pro?

 

I love the portability of the mavic but do the new features make up the almost 50% price difference?

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Realistically? It depends what you want, at the cheapest level you could build something for $400 and throw a gopro (or any other action camera) on it. The Phantom 3 from my limited experience with it (I have plenty with the 2 and only brief interactions with the 3 and 4) should do the trick once in the air, no problem. Mavic has the nice portability features, but as you mentioned it comes with a price. Soi it comes down to what features do you NEED, what features can you afford, and what features do you want. Much like buying a boat, any will get you a bird's eye view, every option out there has a way of mounting a live-view feed, the battery life will be comparable for everything within the same "weight class" (using similar sized batteries, motors and propellers), the cameras and their quality might vary a bit from brand to brand (don't know what you need/want here).

 

In small size quadrotor solutions, the market has basically solved the problem as best as it can with current tech.

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Interesting.... I've been toying with the idea of getting something too. For onboard use, how well do some of the "tethered" ones do flying around a moving boat? How about recovery to a moving boat? Do you basically have to slow down/stop to get it back aboard or are they pretty good at keeping up with a typical 5-6 kt shitbox? What are the limits here?

 

Also, It seems to me that using an aftermarket camera like a GoPro is always a far better solution than being stuck with the brand's proprietary camera. GoPro will always innovate and come out with new stuff and there will be lots of other apps for the latest camera tech. But X Drone company is likely not going to progress at the same pace. It just seems limiting to only being able to use their camera. Am I out to lunch on this?

 

Finally, what about waterproofing issues if these are going to be used in a salt-water sailing environment? I'm assuming if any of these does get wet, they're toast.

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Jeff, they can keep up with a 40 knot stink pot. I have an Inspire. I would NOT hand retrieve it. Phantom? Sure. I have no personal experience with the Mavic but it's a cool kit from what I've seen.

 

The problem I have with GoPros is the fisheye effect.

 

You know, you can rent drones from camera shops. That's probably what I'd do if I had to do it all over. The Inspire is overkill for what I need. OTOH, landing a Phantom on a windy day can get more exciting than I like whereas the Inspire is really stable.

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Jeff, they can keep up with a 40 knot stink pot. I have an Inspire. I would NOT hand retrieve it. Phantom? Sure. I have no personal experience with the Mavic but it's a cool kit from what I've seen.

 

The problem I have with GoPros is the fisheye effect.

 

You know, you can rent drones from camera shops. That's probably what I'd do if I had to do it all over. The Inspire is overkill for what I need. OTOH, landing a Phantom on a windy day can get more exciting than I like whereas the Inspire is really stable.

 

I'll look into those. Thanks.

 

As for the Fish eye on a GP - that can be easily fixed by changing the setting on the view from Wide to Medium or Narrow. I hated the fisheye effect while diving or using it while sailing, and changing that setting gets me a normal pic

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Jeff, they can keep up with a 40 knot stink pot. I have an Inspire. I would NOT hand retrieve it. Phantom? Sure. I have no personal experience with the Mavic but it's a cool kit from what I've seen.

 

The problem I have with GoPros is the fisheye effect.

 

You know, you can rent drones from camera shops. That's probably what I'd do if I had to do it all over. The Inspire is overkill for what I need. OTOH, landing a Phantom on a windy day can get more exciting than I like whereas the Inspire is really stable.

You hit on what I was going to say to Celphtaught in response to his "some coaching" use. I've got a Mavic Pro and love it, but it doesn't lend itself to hand catching the way the Phantom does. For boat use, I'd definitely go P3.

 

The portability of the Mavic is pretty nice though! :D

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Jeff, they can keep up with a 40 knot stink pot. I have an Inspire. I would NOT hand retrieve it. Phantom? Sure. I have no personal experience with the Mavic but it's a cool kit from what I've seen.

 

The problem I have with GoPros is the fisheye effect.

 

You know, you can rent drones from camera shops. That's probably what I'd do if I had to do it all over. The Inspire is overkill for what I need. OTOH, landing a Phantom on a windy day can get more exciting than I like whereas the Inspire is really stable.

my brother flies an Inspire professionally all over the world. Always hand-catches.

 

Do NOT change the GoPro settings to get rid of the fisheye. reduces quality.

Use the software when you download clips to correct for fisheye. better results.

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Interesting.... I've been toying with the idea of getting something too. For onboard use, how well do some of the "tethered" ones do flying around a moving boat? How about recovery to a moving boat? Do you basically have to slow down/stop to get it back aboard or are they pretty good at keeping up with a typical 5-6 kt shitbox? What are the limits here?

 

Also, It seems to me that using an aftermarket camera like a GoPro is always a far better solution than being stuck with the brand's proprietary camera. GoPro will always innovate and come out with new stuff and there will be lots of other apps for the latest camera tech. But X Drone company is likely not going to progress at the same pace. It just seems limiting to only being able to use their camera. Am I out to lunch on this?

 

Finally, what about waterproofing issues if these are going to be used in a salt-water sailing environment? I'm assuming if any of these does get wet, they're toast.

I have a phantom 2 with Gopro, and after-market gimball. (wanna buy one?!!)

dont fly as much now, due to regs tightening up somewhat..!

 

yes - after market camera is good, but most gimballs are designed to a specific camera.

i had to 'tune' my gimbal by sticking coins on just to support a lens filter.

a new camera might mean a new gimbal...

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If you're just playing? I like my DJI Phantom 3 - Camera's plenty for anything less than professional needs. Deciding how much you're going to get into this ought to help you decide how much to spend. I got mine on sale at Best Buy for about $350.

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Interesting.... I've been toying with the idea of getting something too. For onboard use, how well do some of the "tethered" ones do flying around a moving boat? How about recovery to a moving boat? Do you basically have to slow down/stop to get it back aboard or are they pretty good at keeping up with a typical 5-6 kt shitbox? What are the limits here?

 

Also, It seems to me that using an aftermarket camera like a GoPro is always a far better solution than being stuck with the brand's proprietary camera. GoPro will always innovate and come out with new stuff and there will be lots of other apps for the latest camera tech. But X Drone company is likely not going to progress at the same pace. It just seems limiting to only being able to use their camera. Am I out to lunch on this?

 

Finally, what about waterproofing issues if these are going to be used in a salt-water sailing environment? I'm assuming if any of these does get wet, they're toast.

 

well as an AF pilot you;ll have to wait until you're back at the dock to retrieve it.

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a big issue with launching from a moving boat is if the drone decides to fly home for some reason (low battery, you press the button, loss of signal, etc). chances are the boat won't be in the same spot when it gets there.

 

dji packs a ton of technology into their quads for a very reasonable price, but you have to deal with their arbitrarily changing restrictions. if you like the phantom form factor, look at autel's stuff. very close to dji but without the restrictions. plus they are bright orange.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Autel-Robotics-X-Star-Premium-1-2-Mile/dp/B01B1H8322/ref=lp_14171594011_1_1?srs=14171594011&ie=UTF8&qid=1490105022&sr=8-1

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I haven't messed w/drones yet, as cool as they look.

 

, recent news article about a guy who wanted pics of a herd of Ilk,

, guy didn't think it through, and stampeded them through deep snow.

 

http://q13fox.com/2017/02/24/stampede-drone-causes-1500-elk-to-charge-in-wyoming-snow/

 

, they could have slapped his pee-pee to the tune of $5k

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Interesting.... I've been toying with the idea of getting something too. For onboard use, how well do some of the "tethered" ones do flying around a moving boat? How about recovery to a moving boat? Do you basically have to slow down/stop to get it back aboard or are they pretty good at keeping up with a typical 5-6 kt shitbox? What are the limits here?

 

Also, It seems to me that using an aftermarket camera like a GoPro is always a far better solution than being stuck with the brand's proprietary camera. GoPro will always innovate and come out with new stuff and there will be lots of other apps for the latest camera tech. But X Drone company is likely not going to progress at the same pace. It just seems limiting to only being able to use their camera. Am I out to lunch on this?

 

Finally, what about waterproofing issues if these are going to be used in a salt-water sailing environment? I'm assuming if any of these does get wet, they're toast.

 

well as an AF pilot you;ll have to wait until you're back at the dock to retrieve it.

 

 

Ha! Good one, bitch! :lol:

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I have a phantom 2 with Gopro, and after-market gimball. (wanna buy one?!!)

dont fly as much now, due to regs tightening up somewhat..!

 

So that WAS you that shut down DXB's airspace!!! :ph34r:

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Interesting.... I've been toying with the idea of getting something too. For onboard use, how well do some of the "tethered" ones do flying around a moving boat? How about recovery to a moving boat? Do you basically have to slow down/stop to get it back aboard or are they pretty good at keeping up with a typical 5-6 kt shitbox? What are the limits here?

 

Also, It seems to me that using an aftermarket camera like a GoPro is always a far better solution than being stuck with the brand's proprietary camera. GoPro will always innovate and come out with new stuff and there will be lots of other apps for the latest camera tech. But X Drone company is likely not going to progress at the same pace. It just seems limiting to only being able to use their camera. Am I out to lunch on this?

 

Finally, what about waterproofing issues if these are going to be used in a salt-water sailing environment? I'm assuming if any of these does get wet, they're toast.

well as an AF pilot you;ll have to wait until you're back at the dock to retrieve it.

Well played sir.

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Jeff, they can keep up with a 40 knot stink pot. I have an Inspire. I would NOT hand retrieve it. Phantom? Sure. I have no personal experience with the Mavic but it's a cool kit from what I've seen.

 

The problem I have with GoPros is the fisheye effect.

 

You know, you can rent drones from camera shops. That's probably what I'd do if I had to do it all over. The Inspire is overkill for what I need. OTOH, landing a Phantom on a windy day can get more exciting than I like whereas the Inspire is really stable.

You hit on what I was going to say to Celphtaught in response to his "some coaching" use. I've got a Mavic Pro and love it, but it doesn't lend itself to hand catching the way the Phantom does. For boat use, I'd definitely go P3.

 

The portability of the Mavic is pretty nice though! :D

Some coaching means until I smoke batteries almost 300 days a year. Wouldn't use every day but most days. I'm not worried about hand catching, it would be nice to be able to set the home location to a point on land so I didn't have to do that.

 

Would be nice to travel with the mavic but from what I'm hearing the P3 would be just fine. I like the price better too.

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Jeff, they can keep up with a 40 knot stink pot. I have an Inspire. I would NOT hand retrieve it. Phantom? Sure. I have no personal experience with the Mavic but it's a cool kit from what I've seen.

 

The problem I have with GoPros is the fisheye effect.

 

You know, you can rent drones from camera shops. That's probably what I'd do if I had to do it all over. The Inspire is overkill for what I need. OTOH, landing a Phantom on a windy day can get more exciting than I like whereas the Inspire is really stable.

You hit on what I was going to say to Celphtaught in response to his "some coaching" use. I've got a Mavic Pro and love it, but it doesn't lend itself to hand catching the way the Phantom does. For boat use, I'd definitely go P3.

 

The portability of the Mavic is pretty nice though! :D

Some coaching means until I smoke batteries almost 300 days a year. Wouldn't use every day but most days. I'm not worried about hand catching, it would be nice to be able to set the home location to a point on land so I didn't have to do that.

 

Would be nice to travel with the mavic but from what I'm hearing the P3 would be just fine. I like the price better too.

I only mentioned the hand catching because it's a huge help if you were going to try to recover it on a small coach boat.

 

A random, but related recommendation is to get in touch with a State Farm agent. They offer a drone friendly Personal Articles Policy for 60 bucks a year that'll replace your drone with 0 deductible if you crash the thing, lose it in a flyaway, etc. Maybe a bit overkill for a P3, but if you start going higher in price range, it's nice to have when flying over water a lot.

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I must be a wuss because I'd never consider hand catching my p3, or even one of my mini quads unless it had an arm switch. with the p3, there is no fast way to disarm the quad and there really isn't a convenient way to securely grab it. you guys must have really big hands.

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Interesting.... I've been toying with the idea of getting something too. For onboard use, how well do some of the "tethered" ones do flying around a moving boat? How about recovery to a moving boat? Do you basically have to slow down/stop to get it back aboard or are they pretty good at keeping up with a typical 5-6 kt shitbox? What are the limits here?

 

Also, It seems to me that using an aftermarket camera like a GoPro is always a far better solution than being stuck with the brand's proprietary camera. GoPro will always innovate and come out with new stuff and there will be lots of other apps for the latest camera tech. But X Drone company is likely not going to progress at the same pace. It just seems limiting to only being able to use their camera. Am I out to lunch on this?

 

Finally, what about waterproofing issues if these are going to be used in a salt-water sailing environment? I'm assuming if any of these does get wet, they're toast.

 

well as an AF pilot you;ll have to wait until you're back at the dock to retrieve it.

 

 

Ha! Good one, bitch! :lol:

 

:P

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I must be a wuss because I'd never consider hand catching my p3, or even one of my mini quads unless it had an arm switch. with the p3, there is no fast way to disarm the quad and there really isn't a convenient way to securely grab it. you guys must have really big hands.

My 550 I'd just reach up and grab an arm towards the center.

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Interesting.... I've been toying with the idea of getting something too. For onboard use, how well do some of the "tethered" ones do flying around a moving boat? How about recovery to a moving boat? Do you basically have to slow down/stop to get it back aboard or are they pretty good at keeping up with a typical 5-6 kt shitbox? What are the limits here?

 

Also, It seems to me that using an aftermarket camera like a GoPro is always a far better solution than being stuck with the brand's proprietary camera. GoPro will always innovate and come out with new stuff and there will be lots of other apps for the latest camera tech. But X Drone company is likely not going to progress at the same pace. It just seems limiting to only being able to use their camera. Am I out to lunch on this?

 

Finally, what about waterproofing issues if these are going to be used in a salt-water sailing environment? I'm assuming if any of these does get wet, they're toast.

Do NOT get a GoPro equipped drone! I have a Solo 3dr, and the fisheye effect is not what you want.

 

Buy once, cry once. I plan to replace the Solo with a Mavic...

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I must be a wuss because I'd never consider hand catching my p3, or even one of my mini quads unless it had an arm switch. with the p3, there is no fast way to disarm the quad and there really isn't a convenient way to securely grab it. you guys must have really big hands.

My 550 I'd just reach up and grab an arm towards the center.
It's much easier on the Phantom. Just grab a corner of the landing gear, go to zero throttle, and hang on for a second or two til it shuts the props down.

 

Mavic is kind of annoying for this. If you don't shut down it's lower sensors, there's only a small spot you can grab it just behind the gimbal or it'll jump away from you. (That's how mine flew itself into my living room ceiling. Lol!). You also have to get your hands a whole lot closer to the props.

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What's a decent price for a Mavic?

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$1k, I think.

 

Oh, nevermind....

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Interesting.... I've been toying with the idea of getting something too. For onboard use, how well do some of the "tethered" ones do flying around a moving boat? How about recovery to a moving boat? Do you basically have to slow down/stop to get it back aboard or are they pretty good at keeping up with a typical 5-6 kt shitbox? What are the limits here?

 

Also, It seems to me that using an aftermarket camera like a GoPro is always a far better solution than being stuck with the brand's proprietary camera. GoPro will always innovate and come out with new stuff and there will be lots of other apps for the latest camera tech. But X Drone company is likely not going to progress at the same pace. It just seems limiting to only being able to use their camera. Am I out to lunch on this?

 

Finally, what about waterproofing issues if these are going to be used in a salt-water sailing environment? I'm assuming if any of these does get wet, they're toast.

Do NOT get a GoPro equipped drone! I have a Solo 3dr, and the fisheye effect is not what you want.

 

Buy once, cry once. I plan to replace the Solo with a Mavic...

 

 

 

learn to edit, and it is zero problem.

takes about 5 seconds in post

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I have a phantom 2 with Gopro, and after-market gimball. (wanna buy one?!!)

dont fly as much now, due to regs tightening up somewhat..!

 

So that WAS you that shut down DXB's airspace!!! :ph34r:

 

 

no habla ingles

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No matter what drone you buy, make sure you can get a compass/GPS/Auto-land lock on a rocking and rolling boat. The last 2 I have flown needed to sit on stable ground to get a sufficient fix to allow them to fly. On the bow of a small Whaler was not smooth enough. The simple solution is to avoid those multi-rotor aircraft that have features like "Auto Land" and "Return to Home". Those features may cause a quad to struggle to get a lock on a small coach boat.

 

YMMV

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Interesting.... I've been toying with the idea of getting something too. For onboard use, how well do some of the "tethered" ones do flying around a moving boat? How about recovery to a moving boat? Do you basically have to slow down/stop to get it back aboard or are they pretty good at keeping up with a typical 5-6 kt shitbox? What are the limits here?

 

Also, It seems to me that using an aftermarket camera like a GoPro is always a far better solution than being stuck with the brand's proprietary camera. GoPro will always innovate and come out with new stuff and there will be lots of other apps for the latest camera tech. But X Drone company is likely not going to progress at the same pace. It just seems limiting to only being able to use their camera. Am I out to lunch on this?

 

Finally, what about waterproofing issues if these are going to be used in a salt-water sailing environment? I'm assuming if any of these does get wet, they're toast.

 

Do NOT get a GoPro equipped drone! I have a Solo 3dr, and the fisheye effect is not what you want.

Buy once, cry once. I plan to replace the Solo with a Mavic...

 

learn to edit, and it is zero problem.

takes about 5 seconds in post

I do need to learn editing.

 

What is a good program for a rookie?

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Interesting.... I've been toying with the idea of getting something too. For onboard use, how well do some of the "tethered" ones do flying around a moving boat? How about recovery to a moving boat? Do you basically have to slow down/stop to get it back aboard or are they pretty good at keeping up with a typical 5-6 kt shitbox? What are the limits here?

 

Also, It seems to me that using an aftermarket camera like a GoPro is always a far better solution than being stuck with the brand's proprietary camera. GoPro will always innovate and come out with new stuff and there will be lots of other apps for the latest camera tech. But X Drone company is likely not going to progress at the same pace. It just seems limiting to only being able to use their camera. Am I out to lunch on this?

 

Finally, what about waterproofing issues if these are going to be used in a salt-water sailing environment? I'm assuming if any of these does get wet, they're toast.

Do NOT get a GoPro equipped drone! I have a Solo 3dr, and the fisheye effect is not what you want.

Buy once, cry once. I plan to replace the Solo with a Mavic...

 

learn to edit, and it is zero problem.

takes about 5 seconds in post

I do need to learn editing.

 

What is a good program for a rookie?

 

the free GoPro software can take out the fisheye. You select options when you import footage.

I use a knock-off FinalCutProX

Even imovie is more than adequate.

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Thanks. I will check into that.

 

What kind of. Basic laptop would be good for that? I just use an IPad at the moment.

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No matter what drone you buy, make sure you can get a compass/GPS/Auto-land lock on a rocking and rolling boat. The last 2 I have flown needed to sit on stable ground to get a sufficient fix to allow them to fly. On the bow of a small Whaler was not smooth enough. The simple solution is to avoid those multi-rotor aircraft that have features like "Auto Land" and "Return to Home". Those features may cause a quad to struggle to get a lock on a small coach boat.

 

YMMV

MS

Yeah I'm usually close enough to land so that I could theoretically set the "home" to the roof or the boat yard without much issue.

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No matter what drone you buy, make sure you can get a compass/GPS/Auto-land lock on a rocking and rolling boat. The last 2 I have flown needed to sit on stable ground to get a sufficient fix to allow them to fly. On the bow of a small Whaler was not smooth enough. The simple solution is to avoid those multi-rotor aircraft that have features like "Auto Land" and "Return to Home". Those features may cause a quad to struggle to get a lock on a small coach boat.

 

YMMV

MS

Yeah I'm usually close enough to land so that I could theoretically set the "home" to the roof or the boat yard without much issue.

 

 

i am so not a fan of your venue. especially when its blowing 25.

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No matter what drone you buy, make sure you can get a compass/GPS/Auto-land lock on a rocking and rolling boat. The last 2 I have flown needed to sit on stable ground to get a sufficient fix to allow them to fly. On the bow of a small Whaler was not smooth enough. The simple solution is to avoid those multi-rotor aircraft that have features like "Auto Land" and "Return to Home". Those features may cause a quad to struggle to get a lock on a small coach boat.

 

YMMV

MS

Yeah I'm usually close enough to land so that I could theoretically set the "home" to the roof or the boat yard without much issue.

 

 

i am so not a fan of your venue. especially when its blowing 25.

 

 

 

like right now? 20 with puffs in the 30s currently. air temp 45.

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No matter what drone you buy, make sure you can get a compass/GPS/Auto-land lock on a rocking and rolling boat. The last 2 I have flown needed to sit on stable ground to get a sufficient fix to allow them to fly. On the bow of a small Whaler was not smooth enough. The simple solution is to avoid those multi-rotor aircraft that have features like "Auto Land" and "Return to Home". Those features may cause a quad to struggle to get a lock on a small coach boat.

 

YMMV

MS

Yeah I'm usually close enough to land so that I could theoretically set the "home" to the roof or the boat yard without much issue.

 

 

i am so not a fan of your venue. especially when its blowing 25.

 

 

 

like right now? 20 with puffs in the 30s currently. air temp 45.

 

 

everything fine is until that it goes from 22 to 30 in less than a second with no warning/indication on the water.....because it dropped down vertically right onto your boat.

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On the larger sized drones, hand catching is dangerous.

 

Be careful folks...

 

+1. I've stuck my finger in the prop on one of my mini quads when it was basically just idling and it hurt like a sob. I can't image what a p3 or bigger prop would do a finger or arm. especially with carbon blades.

 

no thanks. I only grab them when the props aren't spinning.

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No matter what drone you buy, make sure you can get a compass/GPS/Auto-land lock on a rocking and rolling boat. The last 2 I have flown needed to sit on stable ground to get a sufficient fix to allow them to fly. On the bow of a small Whaler was not smooth enough. The simple solution is to avoid those multi-rotor aircraft that have features like "Auto Land" and "Return to Home". Those features may cause a quad to struggle to get a lock on a small coach boat.

 

YMMV

MS

Yeah I'm usually close enough to land so that I could theoretically set the "home" to the roof or the boat yard without much issue.

 

 

Landing is the easy part. If the quad cant get a fix, it wont let you take off. As long as you have someone on land that can swap batteries, etc you will be fine.

 

MS

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No matter what drone you buy, make sure you can get a compass/GPS/Auto-land lock on a rocking and rolling boat. The last 2 I have flown needed to sit on stable ground to get a sufficient fix to allow them to fly. On the bow of a small Whaler was not smooth enough. The simple solution is to avoid those multi-rotor aircraft that have features like "Auto Land" and "Return to Home". Those features may cause a quad to struggle to get a lock on a small coach boat.

 

YMMV

MS

Yeah I'm usually close enough to land so that I could theoretically set the "home" to the roof or the boat yard without much issue.

 

 

Landing is the easy part. If the quad cant get a fix, it wont let you take off. As long as you have someone on land that can swap batteries, etc you will be fine.

 

MS

 

They are reasonably reliable while they work. All the controller/platform combinations I've played with have a limit somewhere when what looks like a clean landing turns into a massacre in no time flat. Just be careful if you're landing out of sight (we'll ignore the legal implications of that for now).

 

My only concern with the Phantoms from my experience is proximity to a "restricted" area in their database, generally airports. The limitations can (according to DJI) be modified/removed on the Phantom 3 and newer, but if you accidentally fly into a restricted area the drone takes over and its reactions can be unpredictable at best.

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bought the mavic. will report back.

 

have fun with it! practice as much as you can in big open fields and make sure you really understand how all the safeties and rth work. you don't want it to fly into a tree or building because you didn't set the rth height correctly

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How did you find the Mavic in the end? The Mavic is an awesome drone and the portable aspect of it makes it so convenient and easy to get around. There is also this drone now called the Splash Drone 3 Auto which is waterproof, can even land in water and film below the surface. Only a 2-axis gimbal though, which isn't too bad just wouldn't be as stable as the Mavic Pro. If anyone's interested they can check out this article - http://www.droneriot.com/best-drones-for-sailing/ as it goes over some good drone options for sailing :)

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On 9/9/2017 at 11:01 PM, roggy.d83 said:

How did you find the Mavic in the end? The Mavic is an awesome drone and the portable aspect of it makes it so convenient and easy to get around. There is also this drone now called the Splash Drone 3 Auto which is waterproof, can even land in water and film below the surface. Only a 2-axis gimbal though, which isn't too bad just wouldn't be as stable as the Mavic Pro. If anyone's interested they can check out this article - http://www.droneriot.com/best-drones-for-sailing/ as it goes over some good drone options for sailing :)

I still love the thing. The portability vs. capability is still almost impossible to beat. I've completely gotten over the uneasy feeling of flying over water. 

 

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