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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

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Gladiator is heading to the west coast  Soon from Rhode Island .my question is how can all these boat be deemed to be one design now.

 

bad pak and the hand higher freeboard for inshore 

FOX  Inshore and the rule built around her ? 

RIO inshore 

Beau Geste IRC BOAT 

gladiator IRC 

 

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3 hours ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

Box rule is not One Design.

Let's repeat this over and over... Box rule is not one design....

They race level.  They are not one design.

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Looks like PHAEDO 3 is part of karl  stable its heading to N.Z. could he coming to OZ to to try for the sydney -hobart record

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7 hours ago, Swimsailor said:

Holy smokes.   BG cleaning up at BBS!

They are murdering everyone. No surprise really they always dominate TP52 racing in IRC events too. Makes you wonder why they don't enter the TP52 Super Series? Given their TP52 experience jumping on the PAC52 would have been a natural progression. Gavin Brady runs a serious campaign for Karl Kwok. 

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17 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Surprised that Beau Geste could race an IRC boat against the PAC52's which are more aimed at Blue Water sailing? 

Huh? BG and Fox are sisters.  Rio is designed more as an inshore boat.  Bad Pak and IH are designed with offshore racing in mind.

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6 hours ago, Swimsailor said:

Huh? BG and Fox are sisters.  Rio is designed more as an inshore boat.  Bad Pak and IH are designed with offshore racing in mind.

Yes aware of that . Perhaps my misconception? I thought PAC52's were all offshore designed 52's compared to the inshore TP52's? Therefore I thought it was interesting to see them all racing inshore together. And the results ended up obviously in favour of the inshore designs.

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Inshore/offshore focus has more to do with the way control lines and halyards are lead (above/below deck), and of course some of the interior fit-out. 

BG is sailing an IRC52, So similar hull, but not constraint to engine (lighter options are available) or rig rules (longer, lighter) are basic differences versus Transpac52. And in the 52superseries the class no longer allows IRC52s to compete as the boats (even if rating is very similar) are generally too different.

Looking at Sorcha: it is no longer a TP52 but is grand-fathered: rod rigging and marginally deeper fin to offset extra rig weight. Boat is still very fast however not sailing a 52 for 8-10 weeks a year as a crew makes a huge difference in this fleet.

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On 9/20/2017 at 7:13 PM, terrafirma said:

Yes aware of that . Perhaps my misconception? I thought PAC52's were all offshore designed 52's compared to the inshore TP52's? Therefore I thought it was interesting to see them all racing inshore together. And the results ended up obviously in favour of the inshore designs.

That's one of the many interesting things about pac52's...there is some freedom.  IH and BP habe higher freeboard as well.  But both have won w/l inshore races. 

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