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tamkvaitis

2016 ORC European Class C Champion Re-crowned

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Very rare situation, then results are changed in a major event. Maybe somebody knows some details?

 

As a consequence of the disqualification of Vincenzo de Blasio’s Scugnizza by an International Jury convened after receiving an allegation of gross misconduct, a new winner is declared for Class C in the 2016 ORC European Championship regatta organized by the Nautical Club of Thessaloniki and the Offshore Racing Congress.

The Jury decision was that Scugnizza was in breach of rule 69.1(a) and thus disqualified from all races of the championship regatta held in Porto Carras, Greece over 3-10 July 2016. Therefore Aivar Tuulberg’s Arcona 34 Katariina II from Estonia has been elevated from runner-up to being the new 2016 ORC Class C European champion. Another Estonian entry, Ott Kikkas’s Italia 9.98 Sugar is the new Silver medalist and Baxevanis Athanasios’s X-35 OD Baximus from Greece is the new Bronze medalist.

"This decision was difficult and long in coming, as it involved complex issues related to sailing trim, yet we applaud the Jury for upholding the integrity and principles of both our rules and the rules of the sport," said Bruno Finzi, Chairman of ORC.

 

 

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hm. issues related to sailing trim. not sail trim per se. would be interesting to see the whole protest. maybe something to do with removing furniture without declaring it?

 

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Does someone have the story about what wasn't in trim?

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Scuttlebutt listed the rules that were violated.

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So they did something to get that ridiculous measurement trim, but no one can seem to actually point out what they did. Interesting.

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maybe they were on the bottom and the boat was rocking back, or.......sabotage!

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looking at the pictures from Cirdan's link, I don't know how you could look someone in the face and say "yes, this is the correct trim."

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looking at the pictures from Cirdan's link, I don't know how you could look someone in the face and say "yes, this is the correct trim."

And back on even waterline during racing

 

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looking at the pictures from Cirdan's link, I don't know how you could look someone in the face and say "yes, this is the correct trim."

The pictures are hilarious. I am surprised the team measuring could walk up to the boat and say, this looks normal and carry on.

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The bow up trim photograph looks like the bow is damaged to me hence the daylight or am I seeing something different from you guys...

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The bow up trim photograph looks like the bow is damaged to me hence the daylight or am I seeing something different from you guys...

seeing something different. read the caption - they admit the picture is bad but the bottom line is she was stern heavy / bow up for the measurement.

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Something tells me that in future, they're going to be putting a measurer onboard and go straight from the finish line to measuring.

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Something tells me that in future, they're going to be putting a measurer onboard and go straight from the finish line to measuring.

 

They tried that: http://orci.ncth.gr/docs/protest9.pdf

 

 

 

FACTS FOUND EST 774 presented to the Int. Jury a paper with technical statements, attached to the

Protest Form. ITA 16639 raced with a valid certificate. ITA 16639 was measured and scanned by an ORC

measurer before the certificate was issued. During the event ITA 16639 was checked twice and was found in

compliance with the certificate. The Int. Jury forwarded the protest and the attached statements to the

Measurement Committee. Immediately after ITA 16639 finished race # two members of the Measurment

Committee went aboard of ITA 16639 and stood there until the boat moored. Immediately after this, the boat

was checked again. By statement of the witness no evidence was found that the boat is not in compliance

with the issued certificate.

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So they had a way of changing from sailing trim to measurement trim while motoring back to the dock, with the measurers onboard? Wow. Ballsy, if nothing else.

 

Is there an app for that?

 

(??Raspberry Pi or similar controlled valves taking engine cooling water into tanks hidden inside aft bulkheads???)

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From this morning S'butt:

 

Hidden Water Tank Leads to Misconduct Decision

While Part 2 of the Racing Rules of Sailing - When Boats Meet - provides the guidance for our self-policing sport, it is the tenets of Part 1 that lay the groundwork. Critical among these principles in Part 1 is Fair Sailing.

 

In the rule book it states that "A boat and her owner shall complete in compliance with recognized principles of sportsmanship and fair play. A boat may be penalized under this rule only if it is clearly established that these principles have been violated."

 

An incident at the 2016 ORC European Championship was found to have met this standard.

 

An International Jury recently found that Vincenzo de Blasio’s NM 38S Scugnizza deliberately broke RRS 2, RRS 78.1, and ORC Rating System Rule 304.3a and was thus in breach of RRS 69.1(a) and disqualified from all races of the regatta.

 

Scugnizza's RRS 69 (Misconduct) issue arose due to the apparent installation of hidden water tanks under the cockpit to affect extreme stern-down trim for measurement. At the event the measurers confirmed the boat was in this trim in accordance with their certificate, but did not find the tanks.

 

However, when sailing the boat did not appear to be in stern-down trim, but level trim, and many photographs of the boat sailing confirmed this.

 

ORC did numerous calculations to demonstrate the weight and volume of water needed to get to this unusual measurement trim, and how it was not possible to achieve this without some additional amount of undeclared ballast.

 

Scugnizza tried to claim that they could achieve level sailing trim by placing items such as anchors in the forepeak while racing, but even the weight of these items in this position was insufficient to put the boat in level trim for racing.

 

While not admitted as evidence, there was also before and after photos taken of the interior of the boat with the tanks in place and them having been removed immediately after the European championship and prior to their next event, the Italian championship, which the boat was re-measured for, had a substantial rating increase, and competed to finish only 7th in class.

 

It's unfortunate this team was not caught at the event and the matter dealt with then, but the measurers could be forgiven for having missed the tanks because they were partially obscured by the wheel well under the cockpit.

 

Any further punishment is now in the hands of the Italian Sailing Federation.

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Anybody else remember the water ballast issue going on in the Admirals Cup years ago?

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Interesting illustration of the standard of proof required. The Jury is comfortably satisfied that equipment must have been there to change the ballasting.

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