j105 class health?

[bgytr 300]

How's the 105 class been holding up? Was doing a quick scan of 105s on yachtworld and prices seem lower by quite a bit compared to 5 or so years ago.

 

Just curious, still a great boat for decent local one design if the class is still good..

[bloodshot 74]

currently 13 boats for BIRW and their East Coast Championships.

[Skaf 11]

Going great out here in SF Bay, 20+ boats on the line at any given regatta. Couple new owners in the fleet, and a couple more show up out of hiding for less competitive regattas like midwinters.

[proOC 49]

We will get 10+ for our NOOD regatta in June. Plenty more on the Great Lakes but many do not race. Has to be upwards of 20+ 105's on Lake MI.

 

Race to Mackinac 2017 20 boats and counting.

 

Black Diamond out of MI City? Why ORR section vs 1 design start?

[Wet Spreaders 138]

21 registered for this weekend's event at the SFYC.

 

We see 3 or 4 boats turn over each year - which is healthy. I've been racing Fleet One since 2005. Of the 21 boats registered, 3 have been with the fleet longer than me. 13 of the boats have been regulars for longer than me.

 

So, we have about 80% owner and 40% boat turn-over in 15 years. There were 64 known J105s in and around the SF Bay in 2012 when we counted them, about 40% race in Fleet One at some point during the season. A few more like to do only PHRF or short-handed SSS races and about half are AWOL.

 

Where else can you participate in a +20 OD keelboat boat fleet 10 times a year? The fleet is very healthy and the biggest on the bay. Other smaller boats have excellent fleets with good racing: Knarr, Folkboat, Express27, I race SSS under PHRF from time to time and the Express drivers are really hard to beat. The Knarrs have a reputation for being spectacularly good tactical sailors, and the Folkboat fleet is really friendly. I still like my J105, though - it's been a great platform for fun with a crew and also with my kids when they were little - it's big enough not to be scary and has light enough loads that they could drive it when they were quite small.

 

Contrary to what most people do, I bought mine when I found out that my wife was pregnant (most people sell up when they get their kids). My happiest times with my boys have been on the boat teaching them thinking skills, being responsible for an important task and having patience, building confidence and working with them to a shared goal. Priceless.

 

 

 

 

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[J24Soup 0]

Doing great in the Pacific NW.  3 just had a Division in the Oregon Offshore (with some good finishes in another downwind run), 7 are doing the Swiftsure Race, ~15 expected at Whidbey Island Race Week, and lots of events up in Seattle with 8-10+.  Four now in Stumptown (Portland) which is fun.

[Grey Dawn 20]

Very healthy j105 fleet in Naptown and the Chesapeake.

[surf nazi 82]

Had 22 for the naptown noods with teams from canada and bermuda. Looked pretty healthy to me. 

[SF20kts+ 1]

I just brought a great 105 up from Long Beach and am now busy bringing up the rear in SF Bay Fleet 1 races, a newb to OD racing. 20 boats on the Cityfront coming off the line? Love it and will be doing this for a long time. 

[Hadlock 18]

On 6/1/2017 at 9:59 PM, SF20kts+ said:

I just brought a great 105 up from Long Beach and am now busy bringing up the rear in SF Bay Fleet 1 races, a newb to OD racing. 20 boats on the Cityfront coming off the line? Love it and will be doing this for a long time. 

I'll be racing you for not last place this spring! The prices are coming down and that means young blood can begin thinking about buying in. That includes me. With my budget I don't expect to crack the top two thirds of the fleet but we're doing our part to drink the beer after the sailing is done for the day. We had 16 in November for midwinters in SF two weeks ago.

[Snaggletooth 2,524]

Sondes heathey to me!    

[footlong 50]

24 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

Sondes heathey to me!    

 

I'm pretty healthy except my back hurts a bit.

Happy Thanksgiving

[Snaggletooth 2,524]

2 hours ago, footlong said:

Happy Thanksgiving

Saime to you an youres buddey!                             

[CA Distress 0]

In addition to the West Coast, Gulf Coast, Chicago / Midwest, and New England, the Western LIS could have 10 boats for Thurs nights this year.

Huntington has 4-5 on Wed nights.

NY Harbor has a full fleet, Raritan Bay has a fleet.  The J105 as a one design class is relatively healthy.

Great boat, the only problem is the pre-scrimp boats are fast because they are light.   Yes, most have corrector weights, but the weight is placed mid-ship, giving them an unfair advantage.  If all the boats were level, it would strengthen the class.  The Class brass should step up and level all the boats.

[Centurion 2]

J 105 Fleet 4 has 21 boats for the 2018 season

[Snaggletooth 2,524]

Thast verrey goode!                                  

[proOC 49]

Would like to see over 25+ boats this year for the Race to Mackinac 2018.  Timing seems good for out of towners' based on the event itself and the North Americans are to follow in a beautiful venue, Harbor Springs, MI.

Lets top fleet 4 and get everyone out this summer.  We also need to compile a list of possible charters'.  We have out of town boats and crew that have expressed interest in racing here mid summer but would like the option of chartering vs bringing their own boat.  I see so many 105's swinging on cans in Monroe and docked in slips that never get used so spread the good word about our upcoming events and let's see some new faces and racers.

[Matt DI 13]

We're gonna have at least 6 at Charleston Race Week this year. So any of you from up north want to come down for a little early spring racing it's worth the trip.

 

"Ruckus" USA 239

 

pm me if you have any questions

 

Matt

[footlong 50]

13 hours ago, Matt DI said:

We're gonna have at least 6 at Charleston Race Week this year. So any of you from up north want to come down for a little early spring racing it's worth the trip.

 

"Ruckus" USA 239

 

pm me if you have any questions

 

Matt

Where are the 105's racing?  Inside or out?

[Matt DI 13]

Racing for the 105's is outside. we had a blast last year big breeze for the first 2 days then it eased off on Sunday.

 

It's a bit of a hike but I think it's worth it. I am a homer though

[Svanen 342]

The country club is home to Fleet #4, which as Centurian said has a good number of boats. It's an active racing scene, as demonstrated by this report of a recent regatta.

My sense is that over the J/105s are still healthy. See generally the Fall 2017 Newsletter.

[tannerri 1]

Seen one for sale in Nova Scotia this morning, seems like a good price .

 

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/annapolis-valley/j-105-sailboat/1375283079?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

 

[Wet Spreaders 138]

28 J105s in this year's BBS. Check out the video - J105 start at 2:00 mins. As a racer, you'd have to be dead not to want to have been there....

 

Not sure why SA likes to download the top half of the video when I paste the link and then refuse to actually provide a link. Here's another way that might work

Click here

 

 

 

 

[footlong 50]

21 entered at American Fall Series

[Hadlock 18]

I was checking entries for Three Bridge Fiasco, a popular ~25 mile single/doublehanded race (mostly doublehanded) held in January; we have eighteen 105s registered for 2019's race, and fifteen started in the 2018 edition.

Not nearly as strong as the Moore 24 and Express 27 fleets, but close.

[jackolantern 403]

They're economical, easy to sail, relatively fast boats. The places where the class has dwindled and died was because of cheating and deliberate unsportsmanlike conduct by certain class executives. 

[footlong 50]

15 entered for BIRW

[Wet Spreaders 138]

27 for JFEST 2019

[biglebroski 11]

frequently get ~10 for wed night buoy race 

[Hadlock 18]

By my count 22 J/105 on the line this last Saturday for regatta pro December edition. Not bad for 50F day in the winter season in San Francisco.

[marcus brutus 20]

Interested in purchasing a J/105, but none of the listed in SA Classifieds or with brokers.

If anyone knows a private party selling a J/105 please PM me.

[Cristoforo 286]

4 hours ago, marcus brutus said:

Interested in purchasing a J/105, but none of the listed in SA Classifieds or with brokers.

If anyone knows a private party selling a J/105 please PM me.

why no broker? 

 

[marcus brutus 20]

1 hour ago, Cristoforo said:

why no broker? 

 

Because :

I am more than sufficiently experienced in purchasing and selling boats,

most of the J/105 listings are available on the internet,

and 

I do not want to pay a higher price due to broker's commission.

Having said that, I would consider paying broker a finders fee if and when I purchased a boat that he/she found for me.

 

[trimfast 62]

On 12/19/2019 at 4:49 PM, marcus brutus said:

Because :

I am more than sufficiently experienced in purchasing and selling boats,

most of the J/105 listings are available on the internet,

and 

I do not want to pay a higher price due to broker's commission.

Having said that, I would consider paying broker a finders fee if and when I purchased a boat that he/she found for me.

 

so tell us your feelings about real estate agents

[marcus brutus 20]

4 hours ago, trimfast said:

so tell us your feelings about real estate agents

How often does a listing agents advise their clients, the sellers, to reject buyer's offer in order to get a higher one compared to the "first offer is usually the best offer; take the money and run" advice? 

[Mark Set 186]

i got a pitch for Silicon Valley: Redfin, but for yachts

[Myouri 7]

We are starting to get a fleet in Buffalo NY.

2018 1 boat

2019 2 boats

2020 5 boats  

[Champlain Sailor 221]

We are seeing similar growth on Lake Champlain at LCYC:

2018  2 Boats

2019  3 Boats

2020  4 Boats

And there is another 105 sailed further South on the Lake that joins us for many of our weekend races.

[Hadlock 18]

How does one adjust forestay tension on the J/105? All the tuning guides say to do it, but not how.

Do we need to remove the roller furler to adjust a turnbuckle near the deck? Should forestay be tensioned when the shrouds are loose, or after shrouds are tensioned??

[Wet Spreaders 138]

Forestay is a little bit "set and forget" once you decide on what the general weather is going to be like. If it's going to be really light air, then generally shorter. If it's going to be usually heavy air, then generally longer (old "class max" or perhaps a little more). We change ours twice a year - winter and summer settings.

Once you have the forestay  and rake "right" for the conditions, you do all the other tuning using the mains. You set the lowers and mids to manage overbend and sag under backstay

 

[Hadlock 18]

Agree, there are several threads here on why/when to adjust. Ours appears to be saggy/floppy to the point that it's impacting our ability to point effectively, and probably needs to be tightened slightly.

HOW do I adjust it? Remove furler drum and then attack the (assumed) turnbucket? Or can it be adjusted without climbing the mast and/or disassembling the drum.

[proOC 49]

 

Step One: Check Mast Butt Position

The measurement from the front of the forward bulkhead to the aft face of the mast should be 24.46cm (9 5/8”). This is very close to the center of the step. For the HA sails, the mast butt should be 26.00cm (10 1/4”) from the bulkhead.

We check it and leave it all summer.  We do check all the numbers after the boat is launched,  measuring all the dim's and then working it from there.  

Yes, you need to be below the drum where the stem meets the sheerline.  Can't miss the big nut.

[Hadlock 18]

There are five double handed boats for SF SSS Corinthian this weekend, possibly 6 or 7. That means we should qualify for a one design class start in a double handed regatta, the first I've seen on the bay:

https://www.jibeset.net/entrylist.php?A00=JACKY_T005756949&A01=748d3a7e72efb82de2c7e761f71d8c33&T=1582752057&SORT=df

2020 3BF only had 15 entries this year but it was foretasted (also: was) to be a foggy drifter, which may have had a significant impact on turnout. 

On 2/12/2020 at 10:58 AM, proOC said:

Yes, you need to be below the drum where the stem meets the sheerline.  Can't miss the big nut.

Thanks, we found it. Removed the pin at the bottom, four bolts at the top/front and it slid right up and adjusted easily. Stay sag has been reduced to about what the tuning guides recommend.

[surf nazi 82]

On 2/7/2020 at 4:25 PM, Wet Spreaders said:

Forestay is a little bit "set and forget" once you decide on what the general weather is going to be like. If it's going to be really light air, then generally shorter. If it's going to be usually heavy air, then generally longer (old "class max" or perhaps a little more). We change ours twice a year - winter and summer settings.

Once you have the forestay  and rake "right" for the conditions, you do all the other tuning using the mains. You set the lowers and mids to manage overbend and sag under backstay

 

You're backwards. Light air you go with longer forestay ( more sag, more helm ), heavy air shorter and therefore tighter headstay ( less sag, less helm ). 

[some dude 151]

22 hours ago, surf nazi said:

You're backwards. Light air you go with longer forestay ( more sag, more helm ), heavy air shorter and therefore tighter headstay ( less sag, less helm ). 

Yeah but that adjustment is a PITA and not possible to do away from the dock, so you better feel real good about your forecast.  Like shorten it for San Francisco in the summer (and put the short backstay on), and put it back to base for everywhere else.  You really really dont want to be caught with the rig overcooked in that boat

[surf nazi 82]

36 minutes ago, some dude said:

Yeah but that adjustment is a PITA and not possible to do away from the dock, so you better feel real good about your forecast.  Like shorten it for San Francisco in the summer (and put the short backstay on), and put it back to base for everywhere else.  You really really dont want to be caught with the rig overcooked in that boat

The adjustment is not difficult at all. I just tell the foredeck to do it and hurry it up. 

[Hadlock 18]

Once we took everything apart and adjusted it 2-3 times, knocking off all the accumulated sea crud, everything came apart and went back together easy the third time. You probably want some spare bolts for when one goes over the side, but it's probably doable on the water in calm seas. I wouldn't super recommend doing it away from the dock.

We had some pretty unusually gusty conditions, 30+ last weekend, very glad we took the time to tighten up the forestay, was flopping 6-8", now it's closer to 3-4", jib functions as expected now without any oscillation in the forestay headed upwind.

[some dude 151]

10 hours ago, surf nazi said:

The adjustment is not difficult at all. I just tell the foredeck to do it and hurry it up. 

Lol now you tell me!

Bring extra wrenches 

[Skaf 11]

Box end wrenches are handy as you can string them all together and snap shackle them to the stay to keep them onboard.