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Due to the most likely upcoming change in life circumstances. And reminded by posting another thread. I want to know what's the best single handed Cruiser available for $10,000 or less.

 

I said if I couldn't work with her I couldn't work with anyone. I mean we met scraping the bottom off of a 40 foot boat. If we can do that well together we should have been able to do anything well together.

 

That looks like that's going south. I may just bail. That was my plan $10,000 on a boat and leave. That's the whole plan.

 

So what you got?

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damn....

 

Cheep cruisers are Cat 27 or 30 and Cherubini Hunters for the space otherwise an s2

 

or a San Juan.

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This thread needs ... -_-

 

"Well you only need the light when it's burning low
Only miss the sun when it starts to snow
Only know you love her when you let her go
Only know you've been high when you're feeling low
Only hate the road when you're missing home
Only know you love her when you let her go
And you let her go"

 

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Sorry ot hear that Balder. Also take a look at the ads in the back of Good Old Boat magazine. Most of the asking prices there are quite reasonable.

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The C&C 30 (MK I, not the new racer) can be had for under $10K and is the most stable boat C&C ever made. I know of someone who has done some major offshore voyages in one.

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At least look at a Catalina 30 before buying anything. Best 30 ft layout for a liveaboard.A bit of searching should find a diesel for sub 10k.

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For singlehanding, you want something where most of the controls are accessible from the helm.

 

That means sheets and traveler, at a minimum. This usually calls for end-boom sheeting and primaries that are well aft. Cabin top travelers are hard to reach quickly, from behind the wheel.

I'm not saying that every damn line needs to be run to the cockpit, but I do advocate running the main halyard aft. Roller furling is handy.

If the boat is well balanced, auto-pilot isn't critical, but it's high on the list for any singlehander. In the meantime, you can cobble together surgical tubing tiller minder, sheet-to-tiller and other tricks. A wheel will have a wheel lock, which is handy.

A fractional boat is awfully nice when singlehanding, so that you're not dragging a 155% genoa around the mast all by yourself, and grinding that hog in when close to the wind.

Internal halyards can help reduce tangles aloft, which would be hard for a singlehander to fix.

Going offshore? A bridge deck might be something to look for.

 

Consider these factors when looking at boats and looking at their cockpit layout. Maybe you'll find a good boat, but need to modify the layout a bit for singlehanding.

 

Catalina 30's come in a variety of layouts. Hike, Bitches! boat is tiller steered, end-boom sheeting. That's fairly optimal.

On the other hand, some folks have moved the traveler way forward and put a wheel in the way. Not so optimal.

Moving the traveler off of the cabin top can be expensive. Running lines aft from the mast isn't so bad. Some blocks and clutches.

 

Also consider the smaller Tartans such as the 30, 3000 or 33. In fact, I might know of a T-3000 for sale...

 

I lived on an early Pearson 30 for about a year. I enjoyed it, but I don't miss humping that genoa around the mast. It was a good boat, but the interior fit and finish was on par with a 70's RV and the hull build wasn't as strong as the Tartan.

 

S2 9.1 might be a good option. I'm not sure how nice they are down below, but tiller steered, fast, strong.

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Look for boats in the 15k - 20k range. You like it. Tell them you do and offer 10k because it's all ya got. They say no. You walk and probably get a call within a month or two asking you to take it. That is, of course, dependent of known or unknown motivating factors: how long boat on market, divorce, second boat etc etc..

 

Some folks rather see their beloved boat used and loved than sitting around. Not always a money issue.

 

Geez...some owner in a neighboring town was giving away a nice 1970s vintage C & C 30 advertised in the local paper...as long as it went to a deserving caretaker...

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Condolences, Balder. Your situation sounds much too familiar in some respects. My consolation prize is in the same price range, a Tanzer 8.5 in good condition, but it was more part of the cause rather than the consequence, and I'm not going to try to live aboard....

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are you thinking of:

 

  1. Park-up liveaboard
  2. Coastal cruising liveaboard
  3. Sail off across oceans

 

Difft sorta boat in each case

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A bit cramped for long-term liveaboard, but a Morgan 24 is a solid single-hander. Shoal draft k/cb gets you in to all the gunkholes. Will handle offshore sailing (well, maybe not Cape Horn, but...). Typically sell for $2500-3000, so there's a lot left over for refitting and provisioning. Foss makes replacement rudders and CBs, if necessary. Check main bulkhead for rot at chainplates (not a hard fix). A few came with IBs, most came with OB, which is conveniently located at transom.

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I guess I didn't mention - leaving means - gone - to go native - no plan to come back - bluewater

 

I'm also looking for boats that are actually for sale, right now.

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Seriously look at the C&C 30. The guy that posts about his on the C&C list has - IRRC - been transatlantic at least once or twice plus some other offshore trips. Don't look at a crappy one either unless for free, nice ones can be found for reasonable money (under $10K).

There was also a guy that posted about a Pearson Triton he configured with watertight bulkheads and sailed all over the place (Atom maybe???).

IMHO the Catalina 30, while not a bad boat, is not ideal for the use you propose.

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Yeah, I think you look around to see what's available for $10k and decide, "this one will do."

(BTW: Just to be obvious, Ajax's prescriptions get reversed if you have a tiller instead of a wheel. And a tiller extension can solve some of that. )

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A full time liveaboard offshore boat for 10K? I hope that is not the whole budget. To keep costs down it sound like you are going to have to go as small as you can stand. Albin Vega?

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One more - the Contessa 26 looks like a solid offshore boat to me. I have been aboard one, but never offshore.

And to echo the previous comment - I sure hope $10K is not the TOTAL budget or you are going to have to be very clever and lucky too ;)

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To save the effort of finding the "mocking craigslist" thread, here's a fully-equipped 50-footer that you can have today for $6k! Everything worked fine when it was abandoned left at anchor! The only catch is you are not allowed to look at the boat before buying, but it's riding safely at anchor somewhere in Mexico right now. A true CL classic.

 

https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/6112942290.html

 

And I'm sure there's a story behind this Ingrid 38 that has been floating around on CL, now down to $5K, but I'm not sure I want to know what it is...

https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/6111360542.html

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Balder,

 

I think you should try really, really, really really hard to find some way to make it work with a good woman who would sand the bottom of a 40' boat - but that's just me. :)

(...I'm always sorry for the loss of love, and the failure of a commitment. :()

 

Anyway, it is necessary to understand if $10,000 is your purchase price limit - or your "...everything is done and I'm shoving off" limit.

There are many suitable boats that can be had for $10,000 - but almost all would need MORE money to live on and cruise full time.

 

30' and $10,000 translates to "old" ...and "old" translates into "needs some kind of refit" ...and "refit" translates into $$$$$.

I bought an old 30' boat and have paid more than twice the purchase price just keeping it going. And, she's not "perfect", either ...she's just "good".

 

If you intend to be "all in" for $10,000 - you need to be looking at $5,000 boats.

$5,000 30' boats are usually pretty close to crap - think "big projects". However, "usually" is not the same as "always" ...but the pickings are rather slim.

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Yankee 30 or Tartan 30 would be near the top of my list. They are common, well built, and proven boats. They are sisterships both designed at S&S at the same time, the Tartan is 1' wider, the Yankee might be a hair more stout.

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Speaking of old, think of the engine.
If the boat has an Atomic 4, you win with a very robust aftermarket support community and relatively cheap parts.

Then you lose if the engine is original, because few were fresh water cooled back then and a decades-old raw water cooled engine is fully depreciated by now.

If you have diesel that is a relatively recent install you win.
If it is a really old/original one, you might lose with raw water cooling and you really might lose with impossible to find parts or support.

So....$10K all in or a $10K boat?

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For singlehanding, you want something where most of the controls are accessible from the helm.

 

That means sheets and traveler, at a minimum. This usually calls for end-boom sheeting and primaries that are well aft. Cabin top travelers are hard to reach quickly, from behind the wheel.

I'm not saying that every damn line needs to be run to the cockpit, but I do advocate running the main halyard aft. Roller furling is handy.

If the boat is well balanced, auto-pilot isn't critical, but it's high on the list for any singlehander. In the meantime, you can cobble together surgical tubing tiller minder, sheet-to-tiller and other tricks. A wheel will have a wheel lock, which is handy.

A fractional boat is awfully nice when singlehanding, so that you're not dragging a 155% genoa around the mast all by yourself, and grinding that hog in when close to the wind.

Internal halyards can help reduce tangles aloft, which would be hard for a singlehander to fix.

Going offshore? A bridge deck might be something to look for.

 

Consider these factors when looking at boats and looking at their cockpit layout. Maybe you'll find a good boat, but need to modify the layout a bit for singlehanding.

 

Catalina 30's come in a variety of layouts. Hike, Bitches! boat is tiller steered, end-boom sheeting. That's fairly optimal.

On the other hand, some folks have moved the traveler way forward and put a wheel in the way. Not so optimal.

Moving the traveler off of the cabin top can be expensive. Running lines aft from the mast isn't so bad. Some blocks and clutches.

 

Also consider the smaller Tartans such as the 30, 3000 or 33. In fact, I might know of a T-3000 for sale...

 

I lived on an early Pearson 30 for about a year. I enjoyed it, but I don't miss humping that genoa around the mast. It was a good boat, but the interior fit and finish was on par with a 70's RV and the hull build wasn't as strong as the Tartan.

 

S2 9.1 might be a good option. I'm not sure how nice they are down below, but tiller steered, fast, strong.

 

 

The age and quality of the Tartan 30s has meant that quite a few have been re-powered.

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1977/Tartan-30-2886532/Essex/CT/United-States#.WQj6YPkrKUk

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I've sailed on two Yankee 30s. One is on its third repower, the other is intentionally engineless (a good option in this price bracket)

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One more - the Contessa 26 looks like a solid offshore boat to me. I have been aboard one, but never offshore.

 

The Contessa 26 is a very solid boat. But it is also a v small boat inside. Basically a slightly beamier Folkboat built in GRP with a masthead rig. Lots of them have crossed oceans, two have circumnavigated.

 

But the max headroom is only 5'8" under the hatch, and it tapers off after that. Is that enough for Balder? I don't mind low headroom in a cruising boat, but it gets old v fast in in a liveaboard.

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Yeah, there's an E35 that's been languishing on PDX craigslist for a year for under $10K. Don't know what's up with it. Seems to have dropped off for the time being. I think the owner is occasionally found on the ericsonyachts.com forums.

People have even sailed away on E29's and E27's for next to no money. e.g. http://cdlloyd.blogspot.com/2012/09/life-on-water.html http://www.trafficated.com/index.html

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I have given it my all with her and I'm not the one who's giving up but she is. I really did think that if we could scrape the bottom of the boat and get along and that was how we actually started our relationship I didn't think anything could wreck

 

But she has some deep-seated emotional issues that she's not able to overcome. She has PTSD from abuse and neglect as a child from her mother while her dad stood by and watched. She is completely unable to develop trust with anyone. She doesn't think she'll ever trust anyone. She's insanely psycho jealous of my ex that I haven't seen since before I met her. It's a constant battle and she won't give it up.

 

I do appreciate you guys input. The emotional support is great. But I've been sailing most of my life. I've done Bluewater, Coastal, inland. Various boats from beat up 24 Footers to Immaculate 47 Footers. A 50-foot Hair Shop catch that was built in Port Townsend in the eighties outfitted with modern rig. I've saied boats with a bucket for a head and boats that were so over engineered something broke every day.

 

Not looking for advice about what's a good boat or what's a bad motor I need to do this so I need to do that and I shouldn't do this.

 

This is about bailing out. I'm looking for boats that are for sale now$10,000 isn't absolutely firm but I'm not going to go much more than that.

 

https://eugene.craigslist.org/boa/6098846886.html

 

That looks like a pretty solid 10 grand to spend. Not happy about that dinette / head

 

I am very much a minimalist and anything that's one step above camping with Standing Room in that Galley would be spectacular

 

I'll take another 10 to 20 grand with me. I've been a nurse and IT guy I'm proficient with boat systems Electronics water makers I've repaired some sales I guess I should learn how to make cushions.

 

Lining up this plan so that if s*** really goes to s*** I can sail off the deep end instead of fall off the deep end.

 

I'll post more boats as I find them.

 

But this is about what's out there now I like the clues of where to look for these boats that's much more valuable to me then what type of boat will work. That's the easy part for me. Finding the boat that meets the standards and the budget that's the hard part

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She even went up the mast to recover the Spinnaker halyard during a race. Of course she was the one that lost it, she does bow too.

 

. Amazing woman in many ways. But horribly lacking in some others.

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Wait a minute.

 

You're making major life deisions because you got your heart broke?

 

Someone's got to say it. Suck it up buttercup. Women are like buses, or sailboats, there's always another one around the corner.

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Where are you these days? Pt Townsend opportunity....

 

https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bod/6096693910.html

Now we are talking. Could prob get that for 11 or 12. Biggest thing I would need to do is self steering. Not sure if that is a tiller boat or not. Islanders are well balanced, could use sheet to tiller maybe. And ditch the aft canvas cabin. Says rigging was redone 4yrs ago so if they did the running rigging to that would be a solid boat.

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Balder- respect and sympathy, man. However I do feel that you might be looking at things thru shit-colored glasses at the moment, unnecessarily.

 

If you've got $10K in hand then you are king of 90% of the world... go out and see what you find. IMHO you can find a boat suited to your purpose... be it roomy liveaboard, offshore sailor; or fuck it get a camper van, start a blog, and screw 50 yuppie chicks (camper vans are apparently the latest coolest thing). Things will look considerably better soon!

 

FB- Doug

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Balder- respect and sympathy, man. However I do feel that you might be looking at things thru shit-colored glasses at the moment, unnecessarily.

 

If you've got $10K in hand then you are king of 90% of the world... go out and see what you find. IMHO you can find a boat suited to your purpose... be it roomy liveaboard, offshore sailor; or fuck it get a camper van, start a blog, and screw 50 yuppie chicks (camper vans are apparently the latest coolest thing). Things will look considerably better soon!

 

FB- Doug

I am able to rationally recognize that you are right. Still I am just about ready to bail.

 

No camper van. I've done the RV thing. It's sail off into the sunset.

 

Timeline is that it isn't actually iver yet. If it happens I will really be looking at wanting to get the boat by next spring and head south around the time of the haha.

 

But for that matter I could also start in the Caribbean or wherever I find the boat

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Balder- respect and sympathy, man. However I do feel that you might be looking at things thru shit-colored glasses at the moment, unnecessarily.

 

If you've got $10K in hand then you are king of 90% of the world... go out and see what you find. IMHO you can find a boat suited to your purpose... be it roomy liveaboard, offshore sailor; or fuck it get a camper van, start a blog, and screw 50 yuppie chicks (camper vans are apparently the latest coolest thing). Things will look considerably better soon!

 

FB- Doug

I am able to rationally recognize that you are right. Still I am just about ready to bail.

 

No camper van. I've done the RV thing. It's sail off into the sunset.

 

Timeline is that it isn't actually iver yet. If it happens I will really be looking at wanting to get the boat by next spring and head south around the time of the haha.

 

But for that matter I could also start in the Caribbean or wherever I find the boat

Florida is the Mecca for cheap boats, but unfortunately salt and sun usually mean a big refit. There's a lot of boats in Panama, too...people's dreams end there...but obtaining equipment there is problematic.

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My Vega is currently for sale: http://americanvagrant.com/albin-vega-for-sale/

 

I give you best price

That's a solid little boat too.

 

I Like your handle. Was planning on naming her

 

Gitano Gringo

 

Good one (would the proper form be 'Gringo Gitano'?)

 

At any rate sorry to hear your relationship isn't working out. Personally, my favorite part of a relationship tends to be the breakup. Nothing like the sweet taste of freedom to cleanse a palate of monogamy.

 

If you decide you're interested in the Vega, I'll give you the "Existential Crisis Special". Regardless, hope things turn up for you.

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My Vega is currently for sale: http://americanvagrant.com/albin-vega-for-sale/

 

I give you best price

That's a solid little boat too.

 

I Like your handle. Was planning on naming her

 

Gitano Gringo

Good one (would the proper form be 'Gringo Gitano'?)

 

At any rate sorry to hear your relationship isn't working out. Personally, my favorite part of a relationship tends to be the breakup. Nothing like the sweet taste of freedom to cleanse a palate of monogamy.

 

If you decide you're interested in the Vega, I'll give you the "Existential Crisis Special". Regardless, hope things turn up for you.

I never thought of it in that respect but monogamy is not an issue for the first time in my life.

 

Can I stand up in the galley?

 

In Spanish the adgetive comes after the noun.

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I never thought of it in that respect but monogamy is not an issue for the first time in my life.

 

Can I stand up in the galley?

 

In Spanish the adgetive comes after the noun.

Indeed, I think the problem we're having is that they can both be either a noun or an adjective (hahah)

 

Anywho, headroom is 5'10"-ish. I'm 6'0" and with the companionway open I can stand up in the the galley (protected by the dodger)

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Its in Missouri, but it looks to have had most of the stuff done to it...and its a Hallberg-Rassy...

 

http://sailingtexas.com/201601/shallbergrassy31107.html

 

It not to far away from Chicago and the Great Lakes...start your cruise there? It'll be summer soon...

Never would have thought to start off there. But who cares?

 

Sweet little boat.

 

Can I stand up in the galley?

 

Otherwise the only negative is the gas engine.

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I never thought of it in that respect but monogamy is not an issue for the first time in my life.

 

Can I stand up in the galley?

 

In Spanish the adgetive comes after the noun.

Indeed, I think the problem we're having is that they can both be either a noun or an adjective (hahah)

 

Anywho, headroom is 5'10"-ish. I'm 6'0" and with the companionway open I can stand up in the the galley (protected by the dodger)

Well, however you say if in English. It is the opposite in Spanish.

 

I like to say I. 5'11'' but I bet I could stand up in this boat.

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Yes. You can stand at the stove and stand facing the sink. Sink half covered by bridgedeck. These drawings make it more clear I think.

 

http://www.sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5470

 

this drawing has links to pics that show it well

 

http://www.hallberg-rassy.com/static_content/mistress/hr32-mistress-interior.shtml

 

More info here

 

http://www.hallberg-rassy.com/static_content/mistress/hr32-mistress.shtml

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Boats are like women, there is always one available when you want.

 

Use the "just in time" principle and don't make more changes than you need, it just adds to your stress points.

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Wait a minute.

 

You're making major life deisions because you got your heart broke?

 

Someone's got to say it. Suck it up buttercup. Women are like buses, or sailboats, there's always another one around the corner.

Yep. Been married twice before. Never had this effect on me.

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Great suggestions on the boats. I love the Tahiti ketch. I think the mainenance would kill me though.

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It would certainly keep you occupied.

 

Idle hands and all that... ;)

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Semi:

That Bristol looks like a good buy.

 

You just have to keep in mind that it's a boat with LWL = 22', and not expect too much from the interior.

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Semi:

That Bristol looks like a good buy.

 

You just have to keep in mind that it's a boat with LWL = 22', and not expect too much from the interior.

 

 

Yeah, but I'm a sucker for those Ted Hood lines. The Cal is probably a better practical and performance choice.

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I think that would be a strong prospect.

 

Atomic 4 from 1971 ... add cost for new engine.

 

OK, the Ericson 35 is a nice boat. But old. Some things need to be refreshed - budget bye bye.

 

The Cal 34 looked like more boat for the money, could of course be somewhat lively SH.

 

//J

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Cal34

New engine

new rigging

 

sounds good to me

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I think that would be a strong prospect.

 

Atomic 4 from 1971 ... add cost for new engine.

 

OK, the Ericson 35 is a nice boat. But old. Some things need to be refreshed - budget bye bye.

 

The Cal 34 looked like more boat for the money, could of course be somewhat lively SH.

 

//J

 

 

In the case of the Atomic-4, it's a simple matter of rebuilding, not replacing. The parts and support are available and generally less expensive than diesel parts.

He could completely rebuild the engine for $3-5k, and add in freshwater cooling which is way, way less expensive than a diesel conversion. Even a Beta Marine drop-in replacement would explode the budget, plus the cost of a new fuel tank and other bits and bobs associated with converting from gas to diesel.

 

That said, the Cal is turn-key which is hard to ignore.

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I think that would be a strong prospect.

 

Atomic 4 from 1971 ... add cost for new engine.

 

OK, the Ericson 35 is a nice boat. But old. Some things need to be refreshed - budget bye bye.

 

The Cal 34 looked like more boat for the money, could of course be somewhat lively SH.

 

//J

 

And there's the problem with a 10k budget and a sail-away blue water dream...

If it were me I'd offer 9 for the Ericson, repower and have it owing me 15 and allow 5k for incidentals... but I've got 20k. Maybe OP doesn't

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I think that would be a strong prospect.

Atomic 4 from 1971 ... add cost for new engine.

 

OK, the Ericson 35 is a nice boat. But old. Some things need to be refreshed - budget bye bye.

 

The Cal 34 looked like more boat for the money, could of course be somewhat lively SH.

 

//J

And there's the problem with a 10k budget and a sail-away blue water dream...

If it were me I'd offer 9 for the Ericson, repower and have it owing me 15 and allow 5k for incidentals... but I've got 20k. Maybe OP doesn't

I think that several boats been put here that would be great. Again I'm willing to assume more risk than most of you are I think. So I'm not going to be all into instruments and refurbs going to be morning to rigging and whole and basic sound

 

Again major requirements are to have a head stand up at the galley and a step up from camping to the interior

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Cal 34 has always been a Top Contender for me for a budget, go anywhere cruiser. I don't think you can go wrong with that one...

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I think that would be a strong prospect.

Atomic 4 from 1971 ... add cost for new engine.

 

OK, the Ericson 35 is a nice boat. But old. Some things need to be refreshed - budget bye bye.

 

The Cal 34 looked like more boat for the money, could of course be somewhat lively SH.

 

//J

If the A-4 runs well, there's no reason to replace it. The vast majority of powered craft are gasoline. Run the blower, they don't blow up. A-4 runs smoother and quieter than a diesel. Gasoline doesn't have algae and water problems diesel does. Parts are readily available, and the motor is as simple as a Model-T or farm tractor to service or rebuild. The only real downsides are higher fuel consumption and resale value. At $12K boat price resale value isn't a big concern, and you won't recover the cost of re powering with diesel back. And the cost of repowering buys a lot of gasoline.

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I think that would be a strong prospect.

Atomic 4 from 1971 ... add cost for new engine.

 

OK, the Ericson 35 is a nice boat. But old. Some things need to be refreshed - budget bye bye.

 

The Cal 34 looked like more boat for the money, could of course be somewhat lively SH.

 

//J

If the A-4 runs well, there's no reason to replace it. The vast majority of powered craft are gasoline. Run the blower, they don't blow up. A-4 runs smoother and quieter than a diesel. Gasoline doesn't have algae and water problems diesel does. Parts are readily available, and the motor is as simple as a Model-T or farm tractor to service or rebuild. The only real downsides are higher fuel consumption and resale value. At $12K boat price resale value isn't a big concern, and you won't recover the cost of re powering with diesel back. And the cost of repowering buys a lot of gasoline.

 

 

Well, that may be true. Or not.

But an fwc boat engine older than ... say 25 years is to be considered old. In this case more than 40 years.

Rust may have eaten a lot of the main block. Or not. We just do not know.

But when buying ... you have to assume that a very old engine may have to be replaced.

 

Oh and BTW, the OP dismissed a "HR" Mistress as it had a similar old Albin 0-22 engine. Just because of the engine.

 

From my perspective the Albin is much superior than an Atomic. But that is me, of course, with many years experience of Albin engines - they are just like as the Atomic has been discribed: easy to maintain and bla bla.

 

All in all, the Cal34 is much more boat for the money than the Ericson 35. I think you can see that in the ads. Not only the engine.

 

//J

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Semi:

That Bristol looks like a good buy.

She's beautiful.

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If a boat talks to you that much ..."its beautiful"...you need to seriously consider that boat! Or another one just like it...

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How serendipitous, it's located in Balder's hometown.

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Took the weekend off to go camping. Kind of cleared my head. But still seriously considering this plan. 

 

The Columbia looks good.

Oooops, needs an engine. But could come with a valued liveaboard slip to get ready from.  

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Papers filed. I am going to Vancouver t sign off next week. 

Seriously considering this plan. Not just cause I'm heartbroken, but I've always wanted to do it.  Wouldn't leave until next fall. 

 

 

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Thanks guys. 

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Let the next chapter begin!

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