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Queensland A class championships

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Two races held in consistent 20knot South Easter and wind against tide short chop on Bramble Bay, Moreton Bay, Brisbane.  A lively ride for skippers. Eight out of twenty braved the conditions with Steve Brewin taking both wins. Forecast is for 15 knots today and slightly less on Sunday. Four races today in morning and afternoon sessions. Will post more results plus hopefully images and a video when able.

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Thanks for the results. Any news on gear. Is Landy still using his short rig. Is Mark Johnston also using one? What boat is Brad using (I thought he had sold his). Any idea what foils people are using? So many questions, but the same old results. How far ahead was Stevie?

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8 hours ago, A Class Sailor said:

Thanks for the results. Any news on gear. Is Landy still using his short rig. Is Mark Johnston also using one? What boat is Brad using (I thought he had sold his). Any idea what foils people are using? So many questions, but the same old results. How far ahead was Stevie?

Estevie Norman was well ahead in all races. He is using Z15's because the 18's aren't here yet. Also using a different rig. Foiling upwind VERY effectively.

It was breeze on with big waves yesterday and only 8 out of 22 went out. 

Today was much better at 12 to 14. 

Jonno is back to a tall rig and Landy is using his short rig from the National

Brad was sailing his dad's C board DNA. 

Updated results are on the Queensland A Class Catamaran Facebook page. 

Looks like lighter breeze tomorrow of around 10 to 12 so should be interesting. 

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Steve Brewin walked away with the Queensland titles after an invincible display. He had superior speed off the line, carved out a significant lead on the windward leg, consolidated and expanded that lead around the course and was never headed. 

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 Cant post a link  so Drone footage from yesterdays racing on the A class international site or on youtube ,  A class 2017 Humpybong

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14 hours ago, scribe said:

 Cant post a link  so Drone footage from yesterdays racing on the A class international site or on youtube ,  A class 2017 Humpybong

Here it is. Day 3 was perfect conditions of 10 to 12. Estevie Norman foiling up wind brilliantly. 

Next regatta Sopot. 

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Is the blue sail Landy? Bloody hard to read his "contrasting" sail numbers.  The shorter mast sure looks like a more elegant way to lower the centre of effort than Stevie's tortured leach.

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7 minutes ago, SCARECROW said:

Is the blue sail Landy? Bloody hard to read his "contrasting" sail numbers.  The shorter mast sure looks like a more elegant way to lower the centre of effort than Stevie's tortured leach.

Yes that is Landy. Numbers come up ok on the water just not so good at camera angles. Stevie's short rig with fat bottom sail was significantly faster but there is conjecture it is still not as fast as his tall rig. Landy used the same rig and sail from the Nationals. No doubt there will be more refinement and testing before Sopot. Who knows what they'll turn up with. 

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Looks like AUS-4 is onto something on flying upwind, looks very efficient after the start. Sweet.

I’m struggling, decksweeper will hopefully help some (and way more hours on the water and in the gym.....).

 

 

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Quote: Estevie Norman was well ahead in all races. He is using Z15's because the 18's aren't here yet. Also using a different rig. Foiling upwind VERY effectively.

It was breeze on with big waves yesterday and only 8 out of 22 went out. 

Quote: Short rig? Where are some details for this system. Pix/ videoplease.

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Thanks for any of the latest news from Oz..Why is Estvie Norman not on the results page?

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3 hours ago, dacarls said:

Thanks for any of the latest news from Oz..Why is Estvie Norman not on the results page?

I think Estevie Norman must be another name for Steve Brewin, but WetnWild is also telling us he's part of the same inner circle.

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So , at the end , best performance  was with  " schort mast and  big base sail "???????. Mmmm . That remember to me  the past , about 3-4 years ago !!!

;););)

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4 hours ago, ita 16 said:

So , at the end , best performance  was with  " schort mast and  big base sail "???????. Mmmm . That remember to me  the past , about 3-4 years ago !!!

;););)

No, the best performance was the best sailor. Stevie Brewin is sailing better than everybody else, just like he usually does. Considering he was also using completely different foils to everybody else, to draw any conclusions from this event would be rather foolish. Stevie trains almost every weekend while the second place boat hasn't sailed since the nationals. I think he could have won with a Hobie sail up! Let's see what he uses at the Worlds.

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10 hours ago, dacarls said:

Quote: Estevie Norman was well ahead in all races. He is using Z15's because the 18's aren't here yet. Also using a different rig. Foiling upwind VERY effectively.

It was breeze on with big waves yesterday and only 8 out of 22 went out. 

Quote: Short rig? Where are some details for this system. Pix/ videoplease.

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Thanks for any of the latest news from Oz..Why is Estvie Norman not on the results page?

Haha. Sorry about the confusion with names. It's an Australian nickname thing. Stevie got that name a few years ago at a European event and it stuck. Now does everyone know who Landy and Jonno are. 

A few people are trying shorter rigs right now to see if the lower centre of effort is better. There are no standard specs just some experimentation. Results here seem inconclusive so far. 

There are plenty of pictures from the event  on the Queensland A Class Catamaran Facebook page and the above drone footage. 

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1 hour ago, A Class Sailor said:

No, the best performance was the best sailor. Stevie Brewin is sailing better than everybody else, just like he usually does. Considering he was also using completely different foils to everybody else, to draw any conclusions from this event would be rather foolish. Stevie trains almost every weekend while the second place boat hasn't sailed since the nationals. I think he could have won with a Hobie sail up! Let's see what he uses at the Worlds.

Exactly A Class Sailor. Also the locals who would normally have pushed him a bit couldn't make the event or in one case sailed a borrowed C boarder having sold his foiler to upgrade. 

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6 hours ago, Doug Halsey said:

I think Estevie Norman must be another name for Steve Brewin, but WetnWild is also telling us he's part of the same inner circle.

No inner circle. Somebody asked for some first hand reporting. So as someone sailing the event and who knows and regularly sails with the fleet both locally and overseas I thought I would comment. If you don't want that simply say and I'll spend my time more productively. 

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Estevie... OK got it. 

How about Z15 and Z18 boards? Wazzit? DNA? eXploder? Carbonics? ANybody?

Thanks.

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2 hours ago, dacarls said:

Estevie... OK got it. 

How about Z15 and Z18 boards? Wazzit? DNA? eXploder? Carbonics? ANybody?

Thanks.

DNA make a Z board which has had subtle changes over time and I've not seen a number assigned to it. I've owned the DNA board and they are excellent. 

Carbonix don't make anything worthwhile. 

The Z number series refer to Exploder boards. There was a J board but they are best used as garden stakes these days. 

The Z2 was the first production board in the series and is now generally regarded as superceded. The Z5 and Z10 are commonly in use and are quite effective. The numbers in between are prototypes which didn't go in to general production. 

The more recent versions such as 15 and 18 are attempts to improve upwind foiling without losing the downwind performance. They include subtle changes in where and how aggressive the assymetric is. 

A Class Sailor may be able to add more

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All I can add is that Stevie used Z11's at the nationals but they are not a production board. Testing seems to be done by a few in Poland and a small group in Australia made up primarily of Steve and Bundy Darren Bundock (don't want to be accused of being and insider :D). I have no idea what happened to the Z12-14's and this is the first I have heard of the Z15's. As for Z18's and the numbers in between, who knows. I suspect they were tested in Poland and never made it very far. One thing that Exploder seems to be doing is working their way through a lot of foils in an attempt to improve. The good news is that they don't seem to be throwing these foils onto the market so for the class, we aren't shelling out for foils that become obsolete. I am guessing that whatever the team riders use at the worlds will become the new production foil. For the majority of us, the lifespan of a foil seems to be something like 18 months, which considering the real rate of development, isn't too bad and I expect it will slow down

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14 hours ago, WetnWild said:

No inner circle. Somebody asked for some first hand reporting. So as someone sailing the event and who knows and regularly sails with the fleet both locally and overseas I thought I would comment. If you don't want that simply say and I'll spend my time more productively. 

I do appreciate your comments & was just making a lame attempt at a joke. I'm not really as grumpy an old man as I sometimes seem.

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Exploder are working feverishly to win a world title over the DNA F1 team, who are also working hard but might be lacking a key ingredient, the lead foil design expert in D3 (who designed the original DNA Z board as well). They are building more boards than listed here and at a pace few, if anyone, can keep up with. I wouldn't worry about it unless you are Mischa or Ashby and trying to retain a world title.

Me, I'm curious what rudders Brewin and Bundock are using, as well as Landy? These are just as critical as the main boards IMO.

For the average sailor, I don't see jumping into a set of boards beyond Z10 as necessary right now; with the forward board position (40cm aft of the main beam) and 2016 rudders, the platform is capable of foiling upwind. Any board design past this will very likely fit into the existing case, and besides a pair of main foils costs less than a new main sail. The good news is there may be some cheaper used Z10 boards floating around after Sopot for those looking to convert or swap from J's or Z5's. All this means now has never been a better time to join the class!! Get your boat converted or buy a foiler and learn how to sail the darn thing as is!

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16 hours ago, Doug Halsey said:

I do appreciate your comments & was just making a lame attempt at a joke. I'm not really as grumpy an old man as I sometimes seem.

I understand. Me either!

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/127449591@N07/albums/with/72157680270300124

Brisbane A sailor Loch who is a camera buff shot the Qld championships racing with some terrific results.. the series is on his flickr site but anyone interested should start at Qld A"s day 1 for on the water action. Thankfully the weather improved for the rest of the series  

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