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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
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2 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

Who's Roger Ailes? ;-)

The dead guy the thread's about.

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2 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

............ And this has what to do with Roger Ailes?

..."Too bad your patriotism has been supplanted by love of party and willful ignorance of the damage done to American democratic institutions by shrill mouthpieces spewing hate."

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56 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Ginger's brother.

Ginger lives matter

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6 hours ago, phillysailor said:

 

TMSAIL: You are arguing a different point, so you can win the argument with yourself. Congratulations!

And no, understanding why Hillary lost is useful. Not only because Dems can avoid similar mistakes in the future, but also Republicans can see what comes of gerrymandering, vote suppression, vilification of opposition leaders, and listening/repeating/reveling in false news. People go to pizza shops with guns, decent leaders have their careers ruined, and you install incompetent buffoons in the white house. 

Furthermore, it seems that the Russians had the motive, the means, and the opportunity to fuck with our electoral system. You were the victim of their efforts, as were we all. Doesn't it bug you that opponent foreign powers are cheering your views? In fact, many of the ideas you think your own were propagated by mouthpieces serving the Russian Bear. Too bad your patriotism has been supplanted by love of party and willful ignorance of the damage done to American democratic institutions by shrill mouthpieces spewing hate. People have served and died in service against the Soviet empire, against the KBG and FSB. Your orange God whispers state secrets in their ears and you cheer him on. 

You sir, are a traitor. You betray American ideals of democracy, fair play, truth, and you disgrace my flag. I'm glad that patriots like Obama, Brennan, Sanders and Comey stand up for truth. I'm glad that Mayor Landrieu speaks for African Americans and others disgusted by symbols of oppression and violent rebellion against our nation. I'm glad Senator Warren fights the powerful banking system, which seemingly works to enslave our citizens. I'm glad Judge Thomas voted against disenfranchising blacks. They are all much, much better men and patriots than you. I cannot forget Hillary Clinton, who worked diligently as Sec State and as a Senator, & who dwarfs your meager intellectual and moral abilities.

Please, TMSAIL, learn once again what it means to be a proud American. You have lost your way.

Don't you please me you piece of shit. 

I have had disagreements with many people over the years.   I have never ever thought they were traitors to this country because of their political leanings.  I've thrown out insults and poorly thought out remarks in the heat of debate, but not you.   You write a long thoughtful post that deliberately and intentionally singled me out for the harshest insult imaginable.   A traitor to my country. 

I love my country!  How dare you tell anyone they are traitors based on a vote.  That is how democracy works.   You don't like the person that won.  You don't like the policies the right stand for.  That is your right.   You talk about your flag, well fuck you it is not just your flag it is my flag and BJ's flag and Jeff's flag and every other American that lives on this country. You want to blame me for the situation you believe is so terrible, well here is a clue I have voted in every election local, state and national since I turned 18.   l have voted for the candidate that I felt was the best person for the job AT THE TIME OF MY VOTE.   Because I live in IL I have voted for many more democrats than republicans including BILL CLINTON in 1996.   The person who has received the majority of my votes is the African American Secretary of State Jessie White   You want to vent your anger vent at those that never bother to vote.   That are more interested in the vote for Surviver than the candidates running for office.   Get mad at the African Americans that turned out for a man of color then didn't turn out for Hillary.   You complain about voter surpression I reply where there is a will there is a way.  If I'm out of town I submit an absentee ballot.   There is a mail box available to everyone.   I have no doubt that BJ makes damn sure that his vote is counted from the other side of the world. 

One more point

NO ONE THAT VOTED FOR TRUMP EXPECTED THEIR VOTE TO TEAR APART THE COUNTRY.  

You are a well spoken articulate poster.  Too bad your well thought out post shows you to be one of the biggest dicks to grace this site.   

You are now below AkaGP and trust me I never thought anyone could go under his special brand of slime.   

 

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8 hours ago, TMSAIL said:

Don't you please me you piece of shit. 

I have had disagreements with many people over the years.   I have never ever thought they were traitors to this country because of their political leanings.  I've thrown out insults and poorly thought out remarks in the heat of debate, but not you.   You write a long thoughtful post that deliberately and intentionally singled me out for the harshest insult imaginable.   A traitor to my country. 

I love my country!  How dare you tell anyone they are traitors based on a vote.  That is how democracy works.   You don't like the person that won.  You don't like the policies the right stand for.  That is your right.   You talk about your flag, well fuck you it is not just your flag it is my flag and BJ's flag and Jeff's flag and every other American that lives on this country. You want to blame me for the situation you believe is so terrible, well here is a clue I have voted in every election local, state and national since I turned 18.   l have voted for the candidate that I felt was the best person for the job AT THE TIME OF MY VOTE.   Because I live in IL I have voted for many more democrats than republicans including BILL CLINTON in 1996.   The person who has received the majority of my votes is the African American Secretary of State Jessie White   You want to vent your anger vent at those that never bother to vote.   That are more interested in the vote for Surviver than the candidates running for office.   Get mad at the African Americans that turned out for a man of color then didn't turn out for Hillary.   You complain about voter surpression I reply where there is a will there is a way.  If I'm out of town I submit an absentee ballot.   There is a mail box available to everyone.   I have no doubt that BJ makes damn sure that his vote is counted from the other side of the world. 

One more point

NO ONE THAT VOTED FOR TRUMP EXPECTED THEIR VOTE TO TEAR APART THE COUNTRY.  

You are a well spoken articulate poster.  Too bad your well thought out post shows you to be one of the biggest dicks to grace this site.   

You are now below AkaGP and trust me I never thought anyone could go under his special brand of slime.   

 

Dont waste your breath. Cats like Philly have to put people that disagree with him in a box and slap a label on it. It really is that simple. With out the box and label their tool box is empty. 

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20 hours ago, TMSAIL said:

Don't you please me you piece of shit. 

I have had disagreements with many people over the years.   I have never ever thought they were traitors to this country because of their political leanings.  I've thrown out insults and poorly thought out remarks in the heat of debate, but not you.   You write a long thoughtful post that deliberately and intentionally singled me out for the harshest insult imaginable.   A traitor to my country. 

I love my country!  How dare you tell anyone they are traitors based on a vote.  That is how democracy works.   You don't like the person that won.  You don't like the policies the right stand for.  That is your right.   You talk about your flag, well fuck you it is not just your flag it is my flag and BJ's flag and Jeff's flag and every other American that lives on this country. You want to blame me for the situation you believe is so terrible, well here is a clue I have voted in every election local, state and national since I turned 18.   l have voted for the candidate that I felt was the best person for the job AT THE TIME OF MY VOTE.   Because I live in IL I have voted for many more democrats than republicans including BILL CLINTON in 1996.   The person who has received the majority of my votes is the African American Secretary of State Jessie White   You want to vent your anger vent at those that never bother to vote.   That are more interested in the vote for Surviver than the candidates running for office.   Get mad at the African Americans that turned out for a man of color then didn't turn out for Hillary.   You complain about voter surpression I reply where there is a will there is a way.  If I'm out of town I submit an absentee ballot.   There is a mail box available to everyone.   I have no doubt that BJ makes damn sure that his vote is counted from the other side of the world. 

One more point

NO ONE THAT VOTED FOR TRUMP EXPECTED THEIR VOTE TO TEAR APART THE COUNTRY.  

You are a well spoken articulate poster.  Too bad your well thought out post shows you to be one of the biggest dicks to grace this site.   

You are now below AkaGP and trust me I never thought anyone could go under his special brand of slime.   

 

Uh huh. You love your country.

I think you love what your country can do for you.

You continue to support a man who divulges secrets to the Russians. Disgusts us with his words, deeds, business ethics, lack of knowledge & nepotism. He accepts emoluments from foreign powers and refuses to adhere to accepted ethical practices that have been honored by all modern presidents. He is both lease holder and renter of our national property. Payments to that hotel ... occasionally whole floors for weeks at a time from foreign powers... go straight into his pockets, and he won't divulge a thing, just as he won't disclose the names of lobbyists needing his special permission to lead our government. 

He appoints amateurs to high office, celebrates those who would destroy the purpose of the institutions that have been set up by members of both parties at great legislative effort and having achieved towering success. Just look at the Los Angeles skyline... and then remember the smog of the 1985. He demands loyalty to him above loyalty to the law. He was only elected as the result of decades of frivolous hearings, strange FBI machinations, voter suppression in several states and national gerrymandering.

And your party, seeking, above all else, to give the rich a tax break by stripping healthcare from millions of average Americans. Thousands of families will be bankrupted by disease, parents will be forced to choose between feeding their kids and getting the medicine they need. Food stamps will be slashed, so the working poor will be the working hungry poor, unless you see Wal*Mart suddenly increasing their wages out of pity. Fat chance. The Waltons will be cashing the tax rebates and investing them in for-profit schools which will gradually replace public schools. And they will be free to keep out the black kids, the lesbians & the freaks because Betty De Vos (insecure cousin of Cruella?) says its ok to discriminate.

Your people will strip these families of affordable healthcare all the while blaming the "imploding ACA" that never had a chance to work properly because bipartisan cooperation didn't extend to negotiating as a united front against Big Pharma and insurance behemoths. In fact, at every turn Obamacare was assaulted under every legal pretext (most found unconstitutional), and every political trick was pulled, at great cost to citizens of red states & to the stability of the insurance market.

You whine that I exclude you, but are blind to the impulses that move the GOP to cripple, with glee, all the many ways the US government seeks to give all citizens an opportunity for success. You dress it up with "assistance only keeps them in chains" and such crap, but never speak about the ways public works, infrastructure, mass transit and high quality public education can free people from those chains. The GOP denies that their healthcare legislation is yet another way to crush families they don't care about. Deny that money spent on major infrastructure projects put citizens to work. Argue instead that more money should be awarded to the 1% so they can "make jobs". 

The war on science, on truth, on voting rights, on the sociological changes that are inevitably going to change our country all speak to a party with no moral basis for leadership. Denying the global climate change that truly requires a national effort to enable our country to withstand the coming century. Defunding the institutions which could help protect us against the next pandemic. Creating the circumstances for rebellion with every helping push to the wage gap. Enriching the aristocracy at the direct expense of the citizenry. Contemptible ethics. Betraying secrets to foreign powers in the oval office.

I'm sorry, I see all this as betraying the goals and ideals of America. I think you personally benefit from these policies; I think you benefit from white supremacy, can afford healthcare, don't need mass transit and are cool with black men shooting black men as long as it doesn't spread to the 'burbs. You wrap yourself in the flag, but don't give a shit about 60% of the population. Inclusion to you means membership in a yacht club.

TMSAIL, if I wanted to level "the harshest insult" on you, I would have said you were contemptible. I would have said you were a bad husband or father. Instead, I just think that having achieved the American Dream, you are now rent seeking. A true patriot would want more & more Americans to achieve success, and argue for the people and policies which could create that. The GOP has no such platform, no shared vision for American progress. You have no such vision, for you would rather see others suffer so that you might remain comfortable. This is betraying the idea of America. You do not believe in America, at least not the one I learned about in civics classes and history books.

Go ahead & burn the flag, pal, it's only as unpatriotic as everything else your party wants and is tolerating in our president. You demean American patriotism by claiming to embody it.

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10 hours ago, phillysailor said:

Uh huh. You love your country.

I think you love what your country can do for you.

you would rather see others suffer so that you might remain comfortable..

You do not believe in America,

Go ahead & burn the flag, pal, it's only as unpatriotic as everything else your party wants and is tolerating in our president. You demean American patriotism by claiming to embody it.

this is what you think of tmsail?

you are pathetic

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17 minutes ago, hermetic said:
10 hours ago, phillysailor said:

Uh huh. You love your country.

I think you love what your country can do for you.

you would rather see others suffer so that you might remain comfortable..

You do not believe in America,

Go ahead & burn the flag, pal, it's only as unpatriotic as everything else your party wants and is tolerating in our president. You demean American patriotism by claiming to embody it.

this is what you think of tmsail?

you are pathetic

It's awful hard to wind back saying something like that in real time.

Is there a reason the leftie people here are so nasty?

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10 hours ago, phillysailor said:

Uh huh. You love your country.

I think you love what your country can do for you.

You continue to support a man who divulges secrets to the Russians. Disgusts us with his words, deeds, business ethics, lack of knowledge & nepotism. He accepts emoluments from foreign powers and refuses to adhere to accepted ethical practices that have been honored by all modern presidents. He is both lease holder and renter of our national property. Payments to that hotel ... occasionally whole floors for weeks at a time from foreign powers... go straight into his pockets, and he won't divulge a thing, just as he won't disclose the names of lobbyists needing his special permission to lead our government. 

He appoints amateurs to high office, celebrates those who would destroy the purpose of the institutions that have been set up by members of both parties at great legislative effort and having achieved towering success. Just look at the Los Angeles skyline... and then remember the smog of the 1985. He demands loyalty to him above loyalty to the law. He was only elected as the result of decades of frivolous hearings, strange FBI machinations, voter suppression in several states and national gerrymandering.

And your party, seeking, above all else, to give the rich a tax break by stripping healthcare from millions of average Americans. Thousands of families will be bankrupted by disease, parents will be forced to choose between feeding their kids and getting the medicine they need. Food stamps will be slashed, so the working poor will be the working hungry poor, unless you see Wal*Mart suddenly increasing their wages out of pity. Fat chance. The Waltons will be cashing the tax rebates and investing them in for-profit schools which will gradually replace public schools. And they will be free to keep out the black kids, the lesbians & the freaks because Betty De Vos (insecure cousin of Cruella?) says its ok to discriminate.

Your people will strip these families of affordable healthcare all the while blaming the "imploding ACA" that never had a chance to work properly because bipartisan cooperation didn't extend to negotiating as a united front against Big Pharma and insurance behemoths. In fact, at every turn Obamacare was assaulted under every legal pretext (most found unconstitutional), and every political trick was pulled, at great cost to citizens of red states & to the stability of the insurance market.

You whine that I exclude you, but are blind to the impulses that move the GOP to cripple, with glee, all the many ways the US government seeks to give all citizens an opportunity for success. You dress it up with "assistance only keeps them in chains" and such crap, but never speak about the ways public works, infrastructure, mass transit and high quality public education can free people from those chains. The GOP denies that their healthcare legislation is yet another way to crush families they don't care about. Deny that money spent on major infrastructure projects put citizens to work. Argue instead that more money should be awarded to the 1% so they can "make jobs". 

The war on science, on truth, on voting rights, on the sociological changes that are inevitably going to change our country all speak to a party with no moral basis for leadership. Denying the global climate change that truly requires a national effort to enable our country to withstand the coming century. Defunding the institutions which could help protect us against the next pandemic. Creating the circumstances for rebellion with every helping push to the wage gap. Enriching the aristocracy at the direct expense of the citizenry. Contemptible ethics. Betraying secrets to foreign powers in the oval office.

I'm sorry, I see all this as betraying the goals and ideals of America. I think you personally benefit from these policies; I think you benefit from white supremacy, can afford healthcare, don't need mass transit and are cool with black men shooting black men as long as it doesn't spread to the 'burbs. You wrap yourself in the flag, but don't give a shit about 60% of the population. Inclusion to you means membership in a yacht club.

TMSAIL, if I wanted to level "the harshest insult" on you, I would have said you were contemptible. I would have said you were a bad husband or father. Instead, I just think that having achieved the American Dream, you are now rent seeking. A true patriot would want more & more Americans to achieve success, and argue for the people and policies which could create that. The GOP has no such platform, no shared vision for American progress. You have no such vision, for you would rather see others suffer so that you might remain comfortable. This is betraying the idea of America. You do not believe in America, at least not the one I learned about in civics classes and history books.

Go ahead & burn the flag, pal, it's only as unpatriotic as everything else your party wants and is tolerating in our president. You demean American patriotism by claiming to embody it.

Epic rant!  But you are getting into a battle of wits with somebody that is unarmed. TM is a simple party-bot.  He doesn't really think about who to vote for or consequences of his vote.  

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6 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

Epic rant!  But you are getting into a battle of wits with somebody that is unarmed. TM is a simple party-bot.  He doesn't really think about who to vote for or consequences of his vote.  

I think you underestimate TM, who is a loyalist to The Party, but a principled loyalist. 

Re Ailes, his legacy will live on, with each incident like the one in Montana, where Good Americans demonstrate their knowledge that America's real enemies are within our borders disguised as the press and/or democRATS. 

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5 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

I think you underestimate TM, who is a loyalist to The Party, but a principled loyalist. 

True, he's never met a sexual predator without D by their name he can't defend.

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I think I'm overextended on this one, and am being way unfair to TMSAIL. I've been thinking about my rant, and have realized it is misplaced.

I do owe him an apology. And I'll work on one, send it PM. Publicly, I'd like to back away from addressing this assault at him. That these thoughts have been boiling away in me and I vented my spleen at him was unfair, and a mark against my character. I will strive to do better in the future. 

Sorry guys, my fingers got excited, and I forgot that the folks I spar with are real on the other side of the thread. We are all Americans, I am a shit if I do this crap without striving for better. 

 

Enjoy your Memorial Day Weekend TMSAIL, and my respects to all who served.

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1 hour ago, phillysailor said:

I think I'm overextended on this one, and am being way unfair to TMSAIL. I've been thinking about my rant, and have realized it is misplaced.

I do owe him an apology. And I'll work on one, send it PM. Publicly, I'd like to back away from addressing this assault at him. That these thoughts have been boiling away in me and I vented my spleen at him was unfair, and a mark against my character. I will strive to do better in the future. 

Sorry guys, my fingers got excited, and I forgot that the folks I spar with are real on the other side of the thread. We are all Americans, I am a shit if I do this crap without striving for better. 

 

Enjoy your Memorial Day Weekend TMSAIL, and my respects to all who served.

As I said in the pm. I've been on the other side no worries and thanks for the public apology.  

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I know I have gotten bent out of shape before, I imagine most have at one time or another. Glad to see this put to rest - I get most annoyed with TM sometimes but never lose respect for him.  This place would be really boring if we all agreed on everything.

Still someone am looking forward to having a beer with.

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NO ONE THAT VOTED FOR TRUMP EXPECTED THEIR VOTE TO TEAR APART THE COUNTRY.  

Granted, many that voted for Trump probably thought "he didn't mean it, when he said it"

And on some issues, they'd be right.

Unfortunately, your system seems to have no easy redress to the "accidental" election of a leader that judging by ALL polls, the populace is disgusted with 100 days in.

It you'd "accidentally" elected a Pinochet..would you continue to support him just because he was elected?

Calling you a traitor is tough and unwarranted, but tell me..at what point does someone who continues to support a traitor to the values of your country, become a traitor to those values themselves? 

PS I'm using "you" and "your" in a collective sense not personal :)

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1 hour ago, Shortforbob said:

NO ONE THAT VOTED FOR TRUMP EXPECTED THEIR VOTE TO TEAR APART THE COUNTRY.  

Bullshit.

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2 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

NO ONE THAT VOTED FOR TRUMP EXPECTED THEIR VOTE TO TEAR APART THE COUNTRY.  

Some people were hoping for something like that.

"Burn this bitch down." (actual quote)

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Those who voted for trump want to tear down what America is and replace it with a fantasy state they think America was.

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