Mephisto Cat

O/T - Moving to Australia; Boston Suburbs to Sydney

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I've found this group to be quite resourceful in many topics; from boat selection, to racing rules controvery resolution, and booze reccomendations, to propee sailing attire, etc.

I received truly amazing insight when I moved from SF Bay to the Boston area and asked for options to consider regarding where to live...

Now i am contemplating a move to Sydney. -Also driven by work. 

I've spent a bit of time working in Sydney, but this was some 10 years ago...

I am now looking for similar insight on a move to Australia considering the following:

- It is likely we'll set-up an pffice in Sidney CBD. (Business center).

- in the Boston area, i live in the forest, but returning to an urban environment is appealing. We could do subburvs too - being to to picky since:

- The focus is on family; we have two young boys (4 & 6) so access to good schools and after school activities / just kid stuff is very important... (youth sailing too!)

 - I'm hoping to avoid a long commute.

 - Later i'll look for insight into crewing / sailing clubs.

- I've spent a bit of time (another employer) working in Sydney - and I hear it has become even more expensive!... any feedback on cost of living comparisons would be appreciated.

Soon, i'll have to chat with the morons in global HR... so i'll be very grateful for any first hand insight!!

Manly was nice when I was there when working previously... that was relativety short-term, and I was single then! I loved the farry commute & walk to work (also in CBD).

 

Note:

Over the weekend I spent a couple days sailing on what is likely the baddest-ass sail boat I'll ever get my grubby hands on... (and I've driven past americas cup boats!)

so keep an eye out on this thread for some good boat-porn!

Thanks in advance!

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good schools, short commute to city, near water.

Manly is till nice - great area for what you're looking for, and the prices reflect that -- check out realestate.com.au or domain.com.au for rental and RE prices. 

If you've got the sort of money for Manly - also check out some of the other suburbs along Parramatta river - Hunters Hill, Gladesville, Drummoyne, Lane Cove.  Plenty of water for sailing to the South, but the commute probably sucks. Ditto North (Pittwater).

You're right about house prices - doubled again in the last 10 years. I hope you have at least $2M to spend, or $1000-1500/wk.

Suggest you hold of any ideas of purchasing off for the moment -- seems we've just passed peak stupid and prices will either flatline for a while or maybe tank.

 

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1 hour ago, duncan (the other one) said:

good schools, short commute to city, near water.

Manly is till nice - great area for what you're looking for, and the prices reflect that -- check out realestate.com.au or domain.com.au for rental and RE prices. 

If you've got the sort of money for Manly - also check out some of the other suburbs along Parramatta river - Hunters Hill, Gladesville, Drummoyne, Lane Cove.  Plenty of water for sailing to the South, but the commute probably sucks. Ditto North (Pittwater).

You're right about house prices - doubled again in the last 10 years. I hope you have at least $2M to spend, or $1000-1500/wk.

Suggest you hold of any ideas of purchasing off for the moment -- seems we've just passed peak stupid and prices will either flatline for a while or maybe tank.

 

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Manly good, has a bit of an edge but still friendly and close to both the harbour, beaches and Pittwater (gods country).

Also the so-called lower North Shore: Waverton, Crows Nest Cammeray, Willoughby, etc - very close to the city and harbour but just a bit suburban. Inner west (Glebe, Balmain, Annadale, etc) is interesting but not so kid friendly.

COL is similar to SF, NY,  but more exy than small US cities. Cars, whitegoods, etc are more. House prices, at least at medium to top end close to the city, are driven by international demand.

Don't live on S side of harbour (eastern suburbs - full of wankers, beaches are shit compared with the north.)

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We're in Croydon.  Trainline, buses, < 30 mins to the city. Two girls schools (which won't help you) and a highly regarded primary school litterally next door.  Not sure where the nearest boys or mixed high school is but that's a longer term problem.  Close to shops etc... plenty of parks, sporting fields.  Possibly the only inner west suburb with no pubs is the only down side.  

Housing prices here are much lower than some of the others for some reason but is not a nice as Manly by a long shot.  It is however a little piece of the suburbs with a short hop to the city.  Coming from a country bumpkin background, I like it for that reason.

10-15mins drive to half a dozen sailing clubs with some great junior programs ( DAC, Drummoyne, Abbotsford for kids and dinghys.  Drummoyne and Balmain for yachts).  

Drummoyne is nice and has good bus links or ferry in to the city.  Great sailing club, nice shopping centre, a few nice shops on the main road.   Likewise Balmain.  They are both trendy suburbs now though with price tags to match.  

Cost of living wise: it costs about $40-$50 in public transport to get to work each day.  Milk sells at $1/L, petrol at $1.50/L.  Rent/mortgage is the big killer here

 

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Oh well if we are going to pick regions I would suggest the inner west which in my case means Annandale, Leichhardt, Rozelle and Lilyfield.

Why ?

Pick the right street and you can walk to school, pubs, shops, supermarket, restaurants and most importantly the bus or train to the CBD. The bus or train takes 20 mins if the traffic is average. You do need to adjust your Americanized head regarding land size. Most blocks of land in these areas are only 20ft wide. If you are not a gardener that might be a bonus. You can expect to pay $1.5-$1.8m for a recently renovated place in great shape. Drummoyne will cost more because the blocks of land are bigger.

Manly will also cost more. It suffers from exit issues in that there are only 2 bridges out of there meaning that traffic really stinks every rush hour.

The best tactic would be to rent first. The local real estate market will crash sometime in the next 6 months but don't get too excited because prices will only fall around 10%. Demand for the inner parts of Sydney will always be strong.

 

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Looking for something cosmopolitan, perhaps a little edgy? Try Redfern mate, close to schools and the epicentre of world sailing, the CYCA. (Just ask 'em)

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Move to brisbane instead. Year round sailing, hotter chicks and Queensland have a much better football team.

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19 hours ago, Mephisto Cat said:

(and I've driven past americas cup boats!)

 

On second thoughts maybe the CYCA is the club for you.

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19 hours ago, duncan (the other one) said:

 

If you've got the sort of money for Manly -

I would not assume so! (not as I see the prices!

- I was not paying for housing last time - and if recent HR actions / habits are a guide, it will be a struggle to get them to pay this time!

This will be NOT an easy conversation! (not easy to reason with fools!)

I suggested having the office elsewhere... but I'm so far ignored. (I really enjoyed Sydney, but the expense is outrageous!)

 

 

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4 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

On second thoughts maybe the CYCA is the club for you.

Don't assume that either!

I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to drive one... Not  nearly connected to the $$ this implies!

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Thanks for the input so far! I really appreciate it!

I'm traveling this week, but I'm feverishly conducting research on all your input as I go... (I may be slow to reply)

I would enjoy a nice pub within walking distance! (I've had this in The Netherlands and in England, and I miss it horribly!)

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As promised:

I was recently at the helm of this nice chunk of Carbon Fiber... The AC boat was an older one  - not a cat.

Again - Lucky connections - not connected otherwise.

I did get to have some good chats with the crew.

It is much more complex than my dinghy!

 

More pics soon - I'm having file-size probls

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1 hour ago, savoir said:

Oh well if we are going to pick regions I would suggest the inner west which in my case means Annandale, Leichhardt, Rozelle and Lilyfield.

Why ?

Pick the right street and you can walk to school, pubs, shops, supermarket, restaurants and most importantly the bus or train to the CBD. The bus or train takes 20 mins if the traffic is average. You do need to adjust your Americanized head regarding land size. Most blocks of land in these areas are only 20ft wide. If you are not a gardener that might be a bonus. You can expect to pay $1.5-$1.8m for a recently renovated place in great shape. Drummoyne will cost more because the blocks of land are bigger.

Manly will also cost more. It suffers from exit issues in that there are only 2 bridges out of there meaning that traffic really stinks every rush hour.

The best tactic would be to rent first. The local real estate market will crash sometime in the next 6 months but don't get too excited because prices will only fall around 10%. Demand for the inner parts of Sydney will always be strong.

 

^^^ This

When I first bought I got a place, I bought in the inner West in a suburb called Camperdown as it was "the middle" between my place of work and the airport (for work travel) & my commute was in the opposite direction to the traffic, when I was at home, everything was in easy walking distance, including public transport.

Since you last lived here, everything is bigger - the competition for property & parking, the queues, the traffic, the population, the prices - but I would not want to live anywhere else. Since I lived in the inner west I lived in Hunters Hill which is not too bad if you live at the Eastern end of the peninsula & like catching a ferry as a means of public transport - much more pricey than Manly. I am now on the Northern Beaches & work from home & have no kids, so dont give a shit about traffic or good schools, just good sailing & water stuff. downside is that a car is a must have & public transport is limited to buses that are affected by traffic.

A fellow I work with just relocated to Sydney from Toronto with wife & two young daughters, after doing a reconnaissance trip he & his wife chose to live in Queenscliff (Nth end of Manly) as it had everything his family required, and for traffic his comment was "after Toronto, no traffic is too bad" 

If you want to figure out locations based on public transport you can use this trip planner to get an idea of routing & transfers - this will be your "go-to" when deciding on which schools you will 'try' to get your boys into.

Savoir mentioned 'bridges' as traffic choke points, this is true around all of the harbour suburbs, there are 7 major bridges in Sydney - each of them a major choke point on a major arterial road. The inner West does not have bridges ! but does have planes over the top.

ML

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Sydney is a very friendly city. If you walk through kings cross at night at least 8 girls will ask you for a date. And for those that enjoy an alternative lifestyle, there will be many offers of blowhobs down a side ally. Everyone is so nice.

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4 hours ago, Mephisto Cat said:

Thanks for the input so far! I really appreciate it!

I'm traveling this week, but I'm feverishly conducting research on all your input as I go... (I may be slow to reply)

I would enjoy a nice pub within walking distance! (I've had this in The Netherlands and in England, and I miss it horribly!)

There are 8 pubs within a 15 minute walk of my house in the inner west.

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6 hours ago, Last Post said:

Looking for something cosmopolitan, perhaps a little edgy? Try Redfern mate, close to schools and the epicentre of world sailing, the CYCA. (Just ask 'em)

I live around there.  Major convenience, good schools, close to harbour and airport and not far to beaches.  Property purchase and rental prices insane, which by Sydney standards is cheap.

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4 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Sydney is a very friendly city. If you walk through kings cross at night at least 8 girls will ask you for a date. And for those that enjoy an alternative lifestyle, there will be many offers of blowhobs down a side ally. Everyone is so nice.

LB I suggest you visit Kings Cross.  You sound about 10 years out of date...speaking as someone who lived there from 1992 - 2013 and raised a couple of kids in the area...

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I know mate but we mustn't let that get in the way of a good story. I must have walked up and down that street 10 times last week and not a single offer...

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1 minute ago, DickDastardly said:

LB I suggest you visit Kings Cross.  You sound about 10 years out of date...

It seems tamer every time I visit. Where have all of the interesting characters been pushed to? Surely Sydney's love of hookers and blow hasn't disappeared

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50 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

I know mate but we mustn't let that get in the way of a good story. I must have walked up and down that street 10 times last week and not a single offer...

Might have been a different story if you had left the Zimmer frame at home :lol:

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58 minutes ago, Rantifarian said:

It seems tamer every time I visit. Where have all of the interesting characters been pushed to? Surely Sydney's love of hookers and blow hasn't disappeared

Rant are hookers the only ones that sail in Sydney now when the breeze gets up???

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5 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Sydney is a very friendly city. If you walk through kings cross at night at least 8 girls will ask you for a date. And for those that enjoy an alternative lifestyle, there will be many offers of blowhobs down a side ally. Everyone is so nice.

That's odd, when I'm in Brisbane I stay in Fortitude Valley and the same thing happens.

FKT

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Fort Valley is super friendly. I ended up there after LB's birthday bash with two smoking hot babes who got ignored and I got hit on twice. 

Nice chaps they were too...

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4 hours ago, LB 15 said:

I know mate but we mustn't let that get in the way of a good story. I must have walked up and down that street 10 times last week and not a single offer...

Maybe you are charging too much, or need to work on your technique?

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12 hours ago, Weyalan said:

Maybe you are charging too much, or need to work on your technique?

Maybe get those pointed teeth filed down?

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I like to put a slow one over the plate every now and again. Gives the 'special needs' posters a chance to knock one out of the park like the big boys..

Only lots of swings and misses so far.

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On 5/23/2017 at 3:58 AM, Weyalan said:

What's that about swingers and the missus? TMI!

:lol:

 

This place (my work workplace) is so slow, I am sometimes surprised we are able to accomplish anything... I started this back in MAY!

In any case - it seems my move to Sydney may be on! (Yay!) This is now my new mission.

I've not sailed since MAY - so I really need to get out of Boston! - Plus winter is coming... Arctic life is approaching! (6 months of indoor living!) - I'll make a point to sail in the frostbites (Brr...) and then go...

Thanks (Merrill) for the trip planner - It has been very helpful. I was also pointed at a school rating website and as soon as I figure out what the ratings mean, it may be of actual use. At least I can now identify schools in the various neighborhoods in Sydney so this is great!

Can anyone tell me how the school year works? Start / End (I assume September to June?) We'll likely land there in February or so... Is year-round school 'a thing' there?

I appreciate the input on neighborhoods. I will start working focused on the Australian market in the next month or so and then move later... I will visit to scope things out.

Thanks everyone for your input! I'll gladly follow recommendations!

oh - yes. I am now ready to accept offers to crew in Sydney!!! :)  (I do hope to meet some of you out in the water!)

 

 

 

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School year is end of January to start of December, our big holidays are summer. There are 4 terms, with 2 weeks off at Easter, June/July, and September, then the big 6 weeks over summer. If you have specific school questions, PM me

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1 hour ago, Rantifarian said:

School year is end of January to start of December, our big holidays are summer. There are 4 terms, with 2 weeks off at Easter, June/July, and September, then the big 6 weeks over summer. If you have specific school questions, PM me

The ages of your kids means that it won't matter too much if they miss a couple of weeks of school, but if you are thinking of living near the city, (esp. inner west) you'll want to be here by early Feb , before uni(versity) goes back, early March, as the students will be competing for rentals.

Up around Pittwater, such things don't matter......

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On 10/17/2017 at 7:08 AM, duncan (the other one) said:

public school dates: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/key_dates/vacations.html

private usually goof off a week early.. it varies.

 

Not a bad time to buy towards end of year -- the market is starting to tank. 

 

 

 

Is this a seasonal 'tank' or is it that the market in general is starting to show 'cracks'?

Before Boston, we were in San Francisco and we see that housing prices there MUST have reached unsustainable levels... It sounds like Sydney may be on a similar path?

We will likely not buy right away as my assignment is limited to a couple of years initially... We'll see what happens after this. -Conceptually, I open to a longer term (I really enjoyed my time in Australia previously), but there will have to be a family discussion... My wife is agreeing to the move now on the basis of a two year limit... I believe she will really like it - but we will see how things go...

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Some overbuilt markets (B'bane apartments) are tanking, an indicator of a generally softening market. Maybe similar situation developing in Sydney for off-the-plan apartments.

However Sydney housing in general likely won't weaken appreciably, maybe slow down somewhat, its still driven by international (Chinese) demand, lack of good supply and low interest rates.

Spring now, so prime selling season. By the time you arrive, things may be clearer. Short to medium term, better to rent here anyway (rental returns are in the 3-4% range.)

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Hi all! I'll be in Sydney fro Jan 14th to the 24th. I'll be working - but also scoping things out for the upcoming move. (This seems to be FINALLY being sorted out!).

Of course, I will be available to crew on a Sail out on the harbour!! - if anyone finds themselves in need for an additional body - Please do let me know - I will be extremely grateful and will show this with beer!

-  I've been shoveling snow for the last 2 days from this massive storm. I've not even seen above-freezing temperatures for the last 2 weeks!  

I will be available on the weekend, but may be able to schedule something during the week as well...

Looking forward to a bit of summer in the middle of winter

 

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Have you researched schools more? Australia has a much higher % of students in private schools (about 35%), more so at the high school level. There is certainly the perception that getting into the "right school" gets you in to the old boys network. (Sorry if you're female). Huge tuition costs with many of the private schools, though the religious ones were cheaper. They break their private schools down into "Catholic" and "Independent" which I guess means "Protestant & non-religious". 

Coming from Canada where the % attending private schools is around 7%, we found it all a bit weird. Certainly the people I dealt with in business who had gone to the private schools were no better educated and were often a bit more arrogant.

Our 11 year old daughter attended a local public elementary school in Brisbane for 1-1/2 years and enjoyed it very much. I thought it was a good school. The neighborhood was very diverse and she met kids from a lot of cultures/countries. She only went to a local public high school for 6 months and was less impressed.

NSW student % http://www.actuarialeye.com/2016/02/07/the-latest-statistics-on-public-and-private-schools/

Good luck with Sydney real estate. I don't think the people who are saying it will decline are correct, any more than where I live in Vancouver. There is enormous money coming out of China and lots is getting invested in overseas real estate as a safe place to hide invest their money.

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3 hours ago, Zonker said:

Good luck with Sydney real estate. I don't think the people who are saying it will decline are correct, any more than where I live in Vancouver. There is enormous money coming out of China and lots is getting invested in overseas real estate as a safe place to hide invest their money.

Yeah Zonker

I've come to realize that when they say the Sydney housing market has bottomed out it usually means there was only a 10% increase that period! :lol:

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I like the Melbourne accent - easy to understand. NSW isn't too bad either.

But give me northern Queensland for massive confusion any day. When enrolling my daughter in the local state school in Brisbane, I filled out a form for foreign students. One of the items was "Does the student need a translator?".  I should have checked Yes. Had our first parent/teacher conference and I think I only caught 1 word in 3.

Of course a thick Boston accent isn't much better!

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On 1/8/2018 at 6:14 AM, Jethrow said:

It was 40 degrees here yesterday so you'd be happier shoveling snow! ^_^

You may need to remind him that's in "C", not "F".

 

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On 1/7/2018 at 2:14 PM, Jethrow said:

It was 40 degrees here yesterday so you'd be happier shoveling snow! ^_^

Well - This heat will only last a few days - not months... (I hope!) In any case, I believe I'll be happier complaining about being hot in Sydney rather than complaining about the cold, and hot, and humidity, and... (long list here!) in the suburbs of Boston... :)  (Sorry Boston).

When living in Turkey, we had a stretch of 3 days where the temps reached the lo 50's (Celsius). The whole place shut down as the people headed towards any available body of water!

I had a very nice flat there - but there was No A/C... that heat was brutal. I slept in the cool water-filled tub for part of the night! Also enjoyed a few movies in the theater, which had the A/C cranked-up so high I actually got cold in there.

We are temporary transplants to the Boston area. I grew-up on the water in California - but left a while ago. Last home there was San Francisco. Have lived various countries in 4 continents for say - 50% of my life or so. I do have a subtle accent (I'm told) as a result of the various languages I've been immersed-in... Occasionally, I use a bit of British (lived in UK previously) and Australian (worked with Australian companies for a long time) slang. This complicates things making my accent hard to pinpoint....  - but it is nothing like a Boston accent.

 

5 hours ago, Zonker said:

Have you researched schools more? Australia has a much higher % of students in private schools (about 35%), more so at the high school level. There is certainly the perception that getting into the "right school" gets you in to the old boys network. (Sorry if you're female). Huge tuition costs with many of the private schools, though the religious ones were cheaper. They break their private schools down into "Catholic" and "Independent" which I guess means "Protestant & non-religious". 

Coming from Canada where the % attending private schools is around 7%, we found it all a bit weird. Certainly the people I dealt with in business who had gone to the private schools were no better educated and were often a bit more arrogant.

Our 11 year old daughter attended a local public elementary school in Brisbane for 1-1/2 years and enjoyed it very much. I thought it was a good school. The neighborhood was very diverse and she met kids from a lot of cultures/countries. She only went to a local public high school for 6 months and was less impressed.

NSW student % http://www.actuarialeye.com/2016/02/07/the-latest-statistics-on-public-and-private-schools/

Good luck with Sydney real estate. I don't think the people who are saying it will decline are correct, any more than where I live in Vancouver. There is enormous money coming out of China and lots is getting invested in overseas real estate as a safe place to hide invest their money.

Zonker - I agree with the assessment (both on RE, and on the private school opinion. On the RE; I'll be looking to rent. I do have an option to extend beyond 2 years, but renting will be fine for us.

On the schools; I just want to do nice basic good quality schooling. No religions content IS preferred.... 

I am not opposed to private secular schools - but need to get a better sense of what is available. (as with any location... how do you tell Very good from OK...) I will spend some of my time there on this very topic and talking to folks!

Thanks for all the insight guys - I've received good information here...

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As mentioned above, there's a large % of private schools in Oz but plenty of good and poor in both categories. Primary education is pretty good in most of them regardless of type.

Two types of public (high) schools, normal and selective ones. Selective school admission is by testing, they give excellent education but (now) maybe less good at all-round skills. (I went to a selective one, we'd beat GPS schools, see below,  at footy (rugby). These days this school's team hasn't won a game in years! Too much emphasis on academics.) Other public high schools are highly variable in quality.

Almost all private schools are at least nominally religious. Again two types, the so-called GPS schools, which are old and wealthy, and others. The others vary in quality, generally you get what you pay for....... More so with Catholic ones. Our boys went to a (reasonably expensive, nominally Anglican, local, non-GPS) private school, got a fairly good all-round education. Neither is religious!

Bottom line, the local primary school is probably great, do your homework for a high school. Happy to discuss further.

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4 hours ago, Mephisto Cat said:

Well - This heat will only last a few days - not months... (I hope!) In any case, I believe I'll be happier complaining about being hot in Sydney rather than complaining about the cold, and hot, and humidity, and... (long list here!) in the suburbs of Boston... :)  (Sorry Boston).

When living in Turkey, we had a stretch of 3 days where the temps reached the lo 50's (Celsius). The whole place shut down as the people headed towards any available body of water!

I had a very nice flat there - but there was No A/C... that heat was brutal. I slept in the cool water-filled tub for part of the night! Also enjoyed a few movies in the theater, which had the A/C cranked-up so high I actually got cold in there.

We are temporary transplants to the Boston area. I grew-up on the water in California - but left a while ago. Last home there was San Francisco. Have lived various countries in 4 continents for say - 50% of my life or so. I do have a subtle accent (I'm told) as a result of the various languages I've been immersed-in... Occasionally, I use a bit of British (lived in UK previously) and Australian (worked with Australian companies for a long time) slang. This complicates things making my accent hard to pinpoint....  - but it is nothing like a Boston accent.

 

Zonker - I agree with the assessment (both on RE, and on the private school opinion. On the RE; I'll be looking to rent. I do have an option to extend beyond 2 years, but renting will be fine for us.

On the schools; I just want to do nice basic good quality schooling. No religions content IS preferred.... 

I am not opposed to private secular schools - but need to get a better sense of what is available. (as with any location... how do you tell Very good from OK...) I will spend some of my time there on this very topic and talking to folks!

Thanks for all the insight guys - I've received good information here...

All schools in Australia are required to report statistics in a standard format on this site: https://www.myschool.edu.au/   Data covers both school type, make-up, demographics, finances etc. and academic results (literacy and numeracy).  Here is an example of a school profile: https://www.myschool.edu.au/SchoolProfile/Index/107360/CoogeeBoysPreparatorySchool/44026/2016

It's a bit mechanical and doesn't have any insights on "soft" factors, but it's a good place to start looking for education options.

Sydney is geographically large, the traffic horrendous and getting around town is difficult at pretty much all times so you will need to think about getting kids to and from school as a significant criterion.  Ideally, think about where you want to live based on work accessibility, affordability and lifestyle criteria then think about which schools make sense and research accordingly. 

Public schools have fixed geographic catchments so if you reside in a school's catchment they are obliged to offer you a place.  Out-of-catchment enrolments are at a school's discretion.  It is common for families to move house to locate in catchments for targeted schools - many public schools have specialisations or particular reputations that attract families.  Private schools do not have geographic catchments but as above, logistics matter.  Many higher end private schools offer transport to and from school as part of the package, but it costs.

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5 hours ago, DickDastardly said:

All schools in Australia are required to report statistics in a standard format on this site: https://www.myschool.edu.au/   Data covers both school type, make-up, demographics, finances etc. and academic results (literacy and numeracy).  Here is an example of a school profile: https://www.myschool.edu.au/SchoolProfile/Index/107360/CoogeeBoysPreparatorySchool/44026/2016

 

Thanks! - This seems like something one can chew on.... I'll do some looking around on this.

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Well - It has actually happened!  

We've made it. We are In Australia!

Fk'n HR - That did not take long! :wacko:

(yes - I am still fighting with the bastards!)

We are settling in nicely and so far enjoying life here greatly! (- Despite a pile for work that was awaiting my arrival!). I started the role back in January, but managing everyday things from Boston is freaki'n impossible. -the clock does not cooperate one bit!

We landed a cool place in Manly and work in the city (Barangaroo)... Seems the Real Estate market is well on its way to cooling - I was able to get a bit of a discount!

I love it! I have a short skateboard ride to the Ferry and then to the office. I rarely touch the car... Sometimes I ride to Circular Quay - just to get in a longer ride...

I gawk at the boats in the harbor on the weekends as we are out exploring. I also drool at them from the office windows (there is a great view). My time out on the water has been limited to swimming at the beach and on the ferry. I need to go check out the skiff club and see how that works (So far, I only know that the bar works quite well!)

I need to have a look at the skiffs - might be good to get the boys out on the water too...

I need to get out there for a sail! Can you provide any suggestion on the friendliest clubs out there where I could offer my crew services?  B)

Is there a calendar on the web where I can check out beer-can races? or weekend races? (Maybe a map with club locations? - I'm super happy to see boat everywhere, but make it hard to know where to go!)

I am certainly available on weekends, and can be available during the week! I'm happy racing, but also quite happy going out for just a sail - most any time!

It is nice to be among friendly humans again! (there were only a handful of them in Massachusetts!  :lol:)

 

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Welcome to Australia!

The Sydney Amateur Sailing Club (SASC) is probably the most low key & friendly club on the main harbour, located in Mosman Bay... Lot's of old wooden boats still racing. You can get there by ferry from the city... They're always looking for crew.

If you're looking for more serious stuff & better boats, try Middle Harbour Yacht Club at The Spit. You could get there by bus from Manly in 15 minutes.

If you're looking for good & really competitive racing, try the Cruising Yacht Club of Australia. But bring your biggest ego with you...

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43 minutes ago, Mephisto Cat said:

I need to get out there for a sail! Can you provide any suggestion on the friendliest clubs out there where I could offer my crew services?  B)

Is there a calendar on the web where I can check out beer-can races? or weekend races? (Maybe a map with club locations? - I'm super happy to see boat everywhere, but make it hard to know where to go!)

https://www.revolutionise.com.au/sailing/club-finder/

If it's friendly you're looking for, look no further than your own doorstep  Manly Yacht Club, next door to the Sixteens.

In case you hadn't noticed it's the middle of winter:  no twilights.

If you are interested in a Wednesday afternoon race, boat call 12:30pm, drinks at RANSA afterwards, PM me.

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Manly ?  Woweeee ! Very nice but also very expensive.

Beer can season is over until next October. It is winter in case you didn't notice. There are still races on Wednesday afternoons at MHYC and RANSA (beside the CYC). 

Manly Skiff Club has junior racing starting in September.

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Welcome! Like others have said. RANSA in Rushcutters bay is still doing Wednesday casual races throughout the winter. They’re a friendly bunch with a decent fleet.

Alternatively, spend the next few months exploring and wait for the warmer months to get out on the harbour and beyond!

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On 1/9/2018 at 11:07 AM, Fleetwood said:

we'd beat GPS schools, see below,  at footy (rugby). 

How? The GPS schools would never stoop to playing the riff riff from non GPS schools?

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On 1/9/2018 at 7:25 AM, Zonker said:

I like the Melbourne accent - easy to understand. NSW isn't too bad either.

But give me northern Queensland for massive confusion any day. When enrolling my daughter in the local state school in Brisbane....

Brisbane is about a 1000ks from 'North Queensland.' In Australia your 'accent' will have a lot more to do with what school you went to than where you live. I don't know what country you were in but we simply don't have regional accents in Oz. 

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On 1/9/2018 at 3:53 AM, Zonker said:

Certainly the people I dealt with in business who had gone to the private schools were no better educated and were often a bit more arrogant.

 

WTF? Nice broad brush you got there! 

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2 hours ago, LB 15 said:

How? The GPS schools would never stoop to playing the riff riff from non GPS schools?

A few selective schools were (are?) considered acceptable to the GPS cohort. One (Sydney Boys High) even is within the GPS system.

 

2 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Brisbane is about a 1000ks from 'North Queensland.' In Australia your 'accent' will have a lot more to do with what school you went to than where you live. I don't know what country you were in but we simply don't have regional accents in Oz. 

Of course we have regional accents in Oz! There's the General (mainly city) accent and the Broad (mainly the bush) accent (plus a few minor variations on them). Then there's the Adelaide accent; maybe not many of them venture up your way tho'....

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5 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Brisbane is about a 1000ks from 'North Queensland.' In Australia your 'accent' will have a lot more to do with what school you went to than where you live. I don't know what country you were in but we simply don't have regional accents in Oz. 

 

Sure you do.

There is a North Queensland accent and an Adelaide accent too. I agree that the main difference is is mainly a city vs country accent. If you listen really carefully Melbourne people have a bit of an accent as well. They just can't get some words right. eg they call Melbourne " Malbourne " and castle " cassel ".

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I forgot to mention that CYCA races on Sundays through winter.

You might be able to hit on this chick when you are there. She knows people and could line you up with a ride. Cute AND connected. What's not to like ?

https://www.domain.com.au/news/julia-cooney-leads-young-and-rich-with-867m-firsthome-buy-in-darling-point-20180609-h1123d/?utm_campaign=strap-masthead&amp;utm_source=smh&amp;utm_medium=link&amp;ref=pos1

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13 hours ago, Fleetwood said:

A few selective schools were (are?) considered acceptable to the GPS cohort. One (Sydney Boys High) even is within the GPS system.

 

Of course we have regional accents in Oz! There's the General (mainly city) accent and the Broad (mainly the bush) accent (plus a few minor variations on them). Then there's the Adelaide accent; maybe not many of them venture up your way tho'....

Ah the great myth of the Adelaide accent. Yes there are some people that speak with a 'plum de la gob' but they exist in every capital city. The Adelaide accent may have existed once but it certainly doesn't anymore. Yes there is a broader accent in the bush but the way one speaks in the city's is governed by education and sociological circumstances. 

Examples include the word 'youse' Or pronouncing the letter H as 'haitch'. This identifies the user as a bogan regardless of which city they hail from. In any capital city you will find accents ranging from Prince Charles to Kylie Mole. 

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13 hours ago, Fleetwood said:

A few selective schools were (are?) considered acceptable to the GPS cohort. One (Sydney Boys High) even is within the GPS system.

State High are part of the GPS schools here in Brisbane as well but since they get to pick from the best athletes across the state school system they are hardly a normal state school. They still suck at rugby however...

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1 hour ago, LB 15 said:

Ah the great myth of the Adelaide accent. Yes there are some people that speak with a 'plum de la gob' but they exist in every capital city. The Adelaide accent may have existed once but it certainly doesn't anymore. Yes there is a broader accent in the bush but the way one speaks in the city's is governed by education and sociological circumstances. 

Examples include the word 'youse' Or pronouncing the letter H as 'haitch'. This identifies the user as a bogan regardless of which city they hail from. In any capital city you will find accents ranging from Prince Charles to Kylie Mole. 

I've never noticed a city by city accent. I always thought we had 3 accents in Aus. The city accent, the bogan accent and the country accent.

On 6/9/2018 at 4:49 PM, savoir said:

Beer can season is over until next October. It is winter in case you didn't notice. There are still races on Wednesday afternoons at MHYC and RANSA (beside the CYC). 

Sydneysiders must be a bit soft (ok, stating the obvious). Beer can races happen all year round at RMYS. The only difference between summer and winter is that in summer you use the stubby holders to keep the beer cool and in winter you use them so you don't freeze you hand on the can.

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On 6/9/2018 at 11:35 AM, Brass said:

https://www.revolutionise.com.au/sailing/club-finder/

If it's friendly you're looking for, look no further than your own doorstep  Manly Yacht Club, next door to the Sixteens.

In case you hadn't noticed it's the middle of winter:  no twilights.

If you are interested in a Wednesday afternoon race, boat call 12:30pm, drinks at RANSA afterwards, PM me.

Thanks Brass -

Winter? This "ain't no stinkin' winter!!" (I say that very happily!!)

I'm still going to the beach!  :D   

(And I do NOT want a real winter - Mass is uninhabitable in the winter!)

Thanks for that link! Very useful.

I'm all over this... I'll jump on these winter twilights!

I guess winter explains the lack of activity at the Manly YC... I've been at the Skiff club's bar (which is usually hopping) and the YC seems always dead. I'm relieved...

PM on way!

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On 6/9/2018 at 11:05 AM, charisma94 said:

Welcome to Australia!

The Sydney Amateur Sailing Club (SASC) is probably the most low key & friendly club on the main harbour, located in Mosman Bay... Lot's of old wooden boats still racing. You can get there by ferry from the city... They're always looking for crew.

If you're looking for more serious stuff & better boats, try Middle Harbour Yacht Club at The Spit. You could get there by bus from Manly in 15 minutes.

If you're looking for good & really competitive racing, try the Cruising Yacht Club of Australia. But bring your biggest ego with you...

Thanks for that insight Charisma. I forgot to mention that I did get out kayaking over at the spit... It was great fun - even with the boys paddling backwards!

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12 minutes ago, Mephisto Cat said:

Thanks Brass -

Winter? This "ain't no stinkin' winter!!" (I say that very happily!!)

I'm still going to the beach!  :D   

(And I do NOT want a real winter - Mass is uninhabitable in the winter!)

Thanks for that link! Very useful.

I'm all over this... I'll jump on these winter twilights!

I guess winter explains the lack of activity at the Manly YC... I've been at the Skiff club's bar (which is usually hopping) and the YC seems always dead. I'm relieved...

PM on way!

 

MYC is only busy on race days. They don't have any full time staff or bar in there. You will find that there is nowhere better to watch a summer sunset than the deck of the skiff club. Summer racing starts in September so it's closer than you think. 

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5 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Ah the great myth of the Adelaide accent. Yes there are some people that speak with a 'plum de la gob' but they exist in every capital city. The Adelaide accent may have existed once but it certainly doesn't anymore. Yes there is a broader accent in the bush but the way one speaks in the city's is governed by education and sociological circumstances. 

Examples include the word 'youse' Or pronouncing the letter H as 'haitch'. This identifies the user as a bogan regardless of which city they hail from. In any capital city you will find accents ranging from Prince Charles to Kylie Mole. 

 

There sure is an Adelaide accent. They can't say their " le " words so it comes out like apple = appuw, trouble = troubuw. There is also an accent in FNQ. Hang out with anyone born in Cairns or Townsville and you will hear it. This is from the ABC and as we all know one legged, aboriginal, trannie reporters always tell it straight.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-03/curious-adelaide-do-south-australians-speak-differently/9093738

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I just spent a week down there and met with people from all walks of life. Apart from a few obviously gay bar tenders I did not notice any accent. And no, I didn't get them to push my stool in.

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12 hours ago, savoir said:

I forgot to mention that CYCA races on Sundays through winter.

You might be able to hit on this chick when you are there. She knows people and could line you up with a ride. Cute AND connected. What's not to like ?

https://www.domain.com.au/news/julia-cooney-leads-young-and-rich-with-867m-firsthome-buy-in-darling-point-20180609-h1123d/?utm_campaign=strap-masthead&amp;utm_source=smh&amp;utm_medium=link&amp;ref=pos1

Thanks for the tip!

 

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4 hours ago, LB 15 said:

I just spent a week down there and met with people from all walks of life. Apart from a few obviously gay bar tenders I did not notice any accent. And no, I didn't get them to push my stool in.

The little old ladies in the Adelaide blue rinse set definitely have the accent, maybe its no longer in their offsprings' voices. Accents are becoming homogenised everywhere these days.

(Can still pick the Catholics with their haitches and 'says' rather than 'sez' tho'.)

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32 minutes ago, Fleetwood said:

The little old ladies in the Adelaide blue rinse set definitely have the accent, maybe its no longer in their offsprings' voices. Accents are becoming homogenised everywhere these days.

(Can still pick the Catholics with their haitches and 'says' rather than 'sez' tho'.)

That is true. In the UK and the US regional accents are disappearing. TV is much of the cause. In the UK the next Gen talk like they are from South London. 'Estuary english' I heard it described as in a Doco I watched. 

The same show talked about the 'Californication' of the US accent- again due to TV. Interesting subject. Would be interested to hear the thoughts on this from the Poms and Yanks that post here.

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You’ll never get rid of the Italianized North Jersey/Staten Island accent. Hearing mothers yelling”Yo Vincenzo, it’s time foaw dinnah, get chass home now!” Will never go away. It’s what I hate most about this area. It’s worse than the Massachusetts accent by far.

And Massachusetts and the people are much nicer than you are led to believe. Going to Cape Cod in a few weeks to deliver a boat and can’t wait to get there!

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13 hours ago, LB 15 said:

I just spent a week down there and met with people from all walks of life. Apart from a few obviously gay bar tenders I did not notice any accent. And no, I didn't get them to push my stool in.

 

I've heard that it's hard to find a decent gay bar in Queensland. Sometimes making new friends can be tough.

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3 hours ago, savoir said:

 

I've heard that it's hard to find a decent gay bar in Queensland. 

Don't let that stop you visiting mate, we have lots of hot girls if you want to try something new.

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On 6/11/2018 at 6:53 AM, LB 15 said:

Ah the great myth of the Adelaide accent. Yes there are some people that speak with a 'plum de la gob' but they exist in every capital city. The Adelaide accent may have existed once but it certainly doesn't anymore. Yes there is a broader accent in the bush but the way one speaks in the city's is governed by education and sociological circumstances. 

Examples include the word 'youse' Or pronouncing the letter H as 'haitch'. This identifies the user as a bogan regardless of which city they hail from. In any capital city you will find accents ranging from Prince Charles to Kylie Mole. 

How do you explain Mal’s accent?

 

 

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On 6/9/2018 at 10:52 AM, Mephisto Cat said:

Well - It has actually happened!  

We've made it. We are In Australia!

Fk'n HR - That did not take long! :wacko:

(yes - I am still fighting with the bastards!)

We are settling in nicely and so far enjoying life here greatly! (- Despite a pile for work that was awaiting my arrival!). I started the role back in January, but managing everyday things from Boston is freaki'n impossible. -the clock does not cooperate one bit!

We landed a cool place in Manly and work in the city (Barangaroo)... Seems the Real Estate market is well on its way to cooling - I was able to get a bit of a discount!

I love it! I have a short skateboard ride to the Ferry and then to the office. I rarely touch the car... Sometimes I ride to Circular Quay - just to get in a longer ride...

I gawk at the boats in the harbor on the weekends as we are out exploring. I also drool at them from the office windows (there is a great view). My time out on the water has been limited to swimming at the beach and on the ferry. I need to go check out the skiff club and see how that works (So far, I only know that the bar works quite well!)

I need to have a look at the skiffs - might be good to get the boys out on the water too...

I need to get out there for a sail! Can you provide any suggestion on the friendliest clubs out there where I could offer my crew services?  B)

Is there a calendar on the web where I can check out beer-can races? or weekend races? (Maybe a map with club locations? - I'm super happy to see boat everywhere, but make it hard to know where to go!)

I am certainly available on weekends, and can be available during the week! I'm happy racing, but also quite happy going out for just a sail - most any time!

It is nice to be among friendly humans again! (there were only a handful of them in Massachusetts!  :lol:)

 

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BTW I meant to say welcome back. Manly is a pretty top spot. I am hoping by now you have taken the missus parking at North Head? And sunken a pint or two at 4Pines? 

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On 6/11/2018 at 3:25 PM, savoir said:

Nothing wrong with aiming high.

Is the new member criteria that tough?! :P

 

 

 

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