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For ourselves, Percy is a very classy team leader. Lovely comments in the presser...And our skipper Ashby equally as classy.

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A class act - AR were worthy opponents & by the sounds AR will keep going - fingers crossed.....

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Classic: "I was just adjusting the front brakes!!" Ashby

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The big takeaway out of the Presser is that TT will continue to fund Artemis - great news.

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31 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

The big takeaway out of the Presser is that TT will continue to fund Artemis - great news.

No it wasn't. The biggest takeaway is that both of these team have intelligent, articulate, humble guys that have respect for their competitor, unlike that ginger cunt.

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2 hours ago, NZL5 said:

It would be fantastic if they were to train with us. Pete and Nathan are friends. But it's prob not that simple.

If Mr Artemis feels that ETNZ are high probability of winning then he might make an effort to buy some good-will with the soon to be cup holders and send Artemis in to practice against them ETNZ.  A good idea for Artemis anyway to get more of an idea of ETNZ's performance in different conditions for next AC - know your enemy.

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Seemed like NO is much less interested in the continuation of the Framework than IP.

TT apparently will follow the Cup, his participation not tied to the Framework.

IP is so confusing: Face looks so grizzled & gruff but then his voice is pleasant & articulate (when not threatening to rip heads off).

Huge muscles but complaining about being too old & not fit enough.

 

GA is much more comfortable than PB in presser, answers questions non-boofhead style.

 

No actual Cup presentation? ETNZ doesn't get the cup because they didn't sign up to the Framework?

 

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6 minutes ago, hoom said:

ETNZ doesn't get the cup because they didn't sign up to the Framework?

Are there no limits to any boundaries of delusion?

The LV CSS Cup was proudly displayed directly in front of them even in the Presser.

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That wasn't the real Louis Vuitton Cup.

This is the real LV cup and ETNZ have owned it since 1995 (apart from the times they have been defender)

The-Louis-Vuitton-Cup-contested-since-19

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Louis Vuitton produce a new trophy for every event. That is why there are a few of them at RNZYS. This the 4th TNZ has won.

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Put it another way then. Other than the 2010 DOG match, ETNZ have been in very Cup match since 1995.

That's an impressive record on it's own. 

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11 minutes ago, Nervous said:

Louis Vuitton produce a new trophy for every event. That is why there are a few of them at RNZYS. This the 4th TNZ has won.

Wait, is that really true? Are they ever out at the same time? I've never seen more than one at once. And aren't there multiple winners engraved on that one pictured above?

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9 minutes ago, Nervous said:

Louis Vuitton produce a new trophy for every event. That is why there are a few of them at RNZYS. This the 4th TNZ has won.

I don't think so, you can see multiple winners engraved in Mudz pic.

The new one is for this 'Louis Vuitton Defender in the Challenger Series'.

 

18 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

The LV CSS Cup was proudly displayed directly in front of them even in the Presser.

I know it was there but I'd have liked to see some kind of official presentation ceremony where they get to pick it up & wave it around.

Absence of that is odd.

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Just now, hoom said:

I know it was there but I'd have liked to see some kind of official presentation ceremony where they get to pick it up & wave it around.

Absence of that is odd.

Something like this:

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5 minutes ago, hoom said:

I don't think so, you can see multiple winners engraved in Mudz pic.

The new one is for this 'Louis Vuitton Defender in the Challenger Series'.

 

I know it was there but I'd have liked to see some kind of official presentation ceremony where they get to pick it up & wave it around.

Absence of that is odd.

Seems they did the presentation, just wasn’t televised.
 

 

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I'm sure it wouldn't have been televised if Artemis or BAR or SBTJ had won either.

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OK there was a presentation, not showing on Americas Cup Youtube but ETNZ has it.

 

Edit: also they do have it on the actual AC page but a protected link so doesn't show up in the AC Youtube feed.

 

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6 minutes ago, cobee said:

is there a backpocket COR-in-waiting if ETNZ wins?

Widely believe to be Luna Rossa.

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36 minutes ago, Mudz said:

Put it another way then. Other than the 2010 DOG match, ETNZ have been in very Cup match since 1995.

That's an impressive record on it's own. 

Save for AC32 Coutts has also been involved with every Cup match since 1995.

The Cup match for AC35 should be some pretty compelling shit.

WetHog  :ph34r:

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2 minutes ago, WetHog said:

Save for AC32 Coutts has also been involved with every Cup match since 1995.

The Cup match for AC35 should be some pretty compelling shit.

WetHog  :ph34r:

The outcome yes. The racing not so much. 

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Just now, jaysper said:

The outcome yes. The racing not so much. 

Racing hasn't been so bad up to this point, has it?  Maybe thats a trick question.

So long as the wind cooperates I think it will be compelling.  Especially with JS at the wheel of one of the boats.

Or at least it shouldn't be 5-0 parade like we've seen in '95, 2000 and 2003.

WetHog  :ph34r:

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3 minutes ago, WetHog said:

Racing hasn't been so bad up to this point, has it?  Maybe thats a trick question.

So long as the wind cooperates I think it will be compelling.  Especially with JS at the wheel of one of the boats.

Or at least it shouldn't be 5-0 parade like we've seen in '95, 2000 and 2003.

WetHog  :ph34r:

Sure it's been better than San Francisco but then that's not hard is it?

Comparing these to the monos is like comparing checkers to chess,  a teenage kid to a man. The action is over way too quickly to follow or mean anything :D

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3 hours ago, nav said:

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Wow. Onya boys. Job well done. Now, we're at base camp.

Let's knock the bastard off!

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27 minutes ago, jaysper said:

The outcome yes. The racing not so much. 

My only real complaint on the racing is the length of the races, the sparring etc... itself has certainly been compelling enough, still not a major fan of the reaching starts though.

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It's a new LV cup because they were dumped from their previous role early in the set up of this event. And then reinstated when you know who realised their error. With that came an all new trophy  

The wing is fine  there was no issue  it simply expects to have some pressure on it  so when becalmed a bit of man power is useful  

soon there will be two again

and soon more bits arrive from that global hot bed of yachting tech NZ  

what a great start. Gets serious now  

 

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10 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Secs_Delta is 'Won-By', 0.00 was a loss

Date               Race           Boat    Max_Speed    Secs_Delta
06:06:2017    17060624    SWE    47.22    0.00
06:06:2017    17060624    JPN     47.20    26.69
09:06:2017    17060928    SWE    47.08    12.40
09:06:2017    17060928    JPN     46.75    0.00
06:06:2017    17060613    NZL     46.26    129.92
06:06:2017    17060613    GBR    46.13    0.00
05:06:2017    17060511    NZL     44.71    0.00
08:06:2017    17060815    GBR    44.65    0.00
05:06:2017    17060521    SWE    44.61    0.00
08:06:2017    17060815    NZL     44.34    31.49

 

So, Stingray has conclusively proved that the fastest boat only wins 40% of the time?  8-)

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What a bunch of pompous Bullshit the presentation is.

It means squat in the grand scheme. 

The yanks overhype a bit.

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2 minutes ago, Nutta said:

So, Stingray has conclusively proved that the fastest boat only wins 40% of the time?  8-)

OK the fastest boat to each mark then..

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5 hours ago, **ONTOIT** said:

For ourselves we can be really happy to get a few days sleep in.

For ourselves, we were happy enough now that we were in the 5am routine. The shore team has done a great job working through the early hours but if we have to get up early again after a few sleep ins we might not be in an optimal configuration, we'll be looking just to stay in touch around the first few marks. 

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2 hours ago, jaysper said:

Sure it's been better than San Francisco but then that's not hard is it?

Comparing these to the monos is like comparing checkers to chess,  a teenage kid to a man. The action is over way too quickly to follow or mean anything :D

I'd say an argument can be made the sailing in the Cup final for AC34 is better than what's been seen in BDA up to this point. The pre-starts were better for sure.  

Anyway, monos or not, a 5-0 ass kicking in a Cup final is a 5-0 ass kicking.  At least in these foilers the racing is over quickly. 

WetHog  :ph34r:

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12 hours ago, d'ranger said:

Thanks for correcting the spelling of her name - sometimes I just ain't that bright.  And it would be awesome to see her driving, at a time when people keep talking about getting more women involved why aren't they actually doing it?  

Just needs someone with a checkbook. Where's Bill Koch when you need him. 

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I had to leave for work this morning just when they announced 10 mins to start. First time I missed a tv race but I thought it would be ok to listen on the old wireless, after all pJ montcommertary was on so it would be good.

Fuck me, never again, pj has lost the fucking plot,  he spent a whole leg bleating on about the kiwi history in the cup.

For ourselves I was yelling at my radio in the car "what the fuck is going on with the race you stupid old cunt?"

Arrr.

I'm going to watch it now and calm down with a beer.

Great result though! 

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13 minutes ago, kenergy said:

I had to leave for work this morning just when they announced 10 mins to start. First time I missed a tv race but I thought it would be ok to listen on the old wireless, after all pJ montcommertary was on so it would be good.

Fuck me, never again, pj has lost the fucking plot,  he spent a whole leg bleating on about the kiwi history in the cup.

For ourselves I was yelling at my radio in the car "what the fuck is going on with the race you stupid old cunt?"

Arrr.

I'm going to watch it now and calm down with a beer.

Great result though! 

+1.....i think PJ is getting senile.....waffles on about shite i don't need  or want to know

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3 hours ago, sunseeker said:

Just needs someone with a checkbook. Where's Bill Koch when you need him. 

I think even Bill Koch might not be a big enough billionaire to fund a campaign in thus day and age and that is a pretty scary thought. 

Although he could underwrite a campaign but seek commercial sponsorship which would be totally doable for him.

But the truth is that there will be no other American teams in the America's Cup as long as orifice are the holders.

If etnz win then watch the American challengers come out of the woodwork just like 87 and to a lesser extent 00 and 03.

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6 minutes ago, ENZO THE MAL said:

+1.....i think PJ is getting senile.....waffles on about shite i don't need to or want to know

i figured we were so far ahead and artemis were not gaining.. there was not much to say :)

he makes me nervous though listening without seeing.

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1 hour ago, kenergy said:

I had to leave for work this morning just when they announced 10 mins to start. First time I missed a tv race but I thought it would be ok to listen on the old wireless, after all pJ montcommertary was on so it would be good.

Fuck me, never again, pj has lost the fucking plot,  he spent a whole leg bleating on about the kiwi history in the cup.

For ourselves I was yelling at my radio in the car "what the fuck is going on with the race you stupid old cunt?"

Arrr.

I'm going to watch it now and calm down with a beer.

Great result though! 

+1 Just as well Chris Steele was along side him too, otherwise PJ would have been totally fucking out of his depth.

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3 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

+1 Just as well Chris Steele was along side him too, otherwise PJ would have been totally fucking out of his depth.

percentage wise I would say only the USA and the Brits have a history, everyone else is all new to it.

Any sons/daughters or grandkids racing of previous entrants?

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Super yacht regatta is on. Not sure if live tv. Possible to follow on the "tractrac" tracker though

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19 hours ago, redract said:

swedish meatball compared to flying kiwis

"Flying Kiwis"? The kiwis got exctinct just because they didn't fly. Good intelligent work there... 

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48 minutes ago, jonas a said:

Super yacht regatta is on. Not sure if live tv. Possible to follow on the "tractrac" tracker though

been searching all around for this as i'd like to watch this as well but cannot find anything :(

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12 hours ago, WetHog said:

I'd say an argument can be made the sailing in the Cup final for AC34 is better than what's been seen in BDA up to this point. The pre-starts were better for sure.  

Anyway, monos or not, a 5-0 ass kicking in a Cup final is a 5-0 ass kicking.  At least in these foilers the racing is over quickly. 

WetHog  :ph34r:

The first team to earn 7 points (8 points for ETNZ) wins the cup, so an ass kicking would be either 7 -1 or 8 0.

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2 hours ago, TurboDiesel said:

"Flying Kiwis"? The kiwis got exctinct just because they didn't fly. Good intelligent work there... 

Kiwis got extinct? Not even the Kakapos made it this far, so please don't make it worse than it already is... for ourselves

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Bill Koch and that clan are busy right now . .

Off subverting democracy someplace. 

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13 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Bill Koch and that clan are busy right now . .

Off subverting democracy someplace. 

Wrong Koch. Bill is reportedly estranged from Charles and David.

Cheers,

Earl

 

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12 hours ago, kenergy said:

I had to leave for work this morning just when they announced 10 mins to start. First time I missed a tv race but I thought it would be ok to listen on the old wireless, after all pJ montcommertary was on so it would be good.

Fuck me, never again, pj has lost the fucking plot,  he spent a whole leg bleating on about the kiwi history in the cup.

For ourselves I was yelling at my radio in the car "what the fuck is going on with the race you stupid old cunt?"

Arrr.

I'm going to watch it now and calm down with a beer.

Great result though! 

You didn't like the bits when he asked Chris Steele a question and then talked over the top of him?

 

Or how about when he said "we're just going to listen to the audio off the boat" before he just kept on talking?

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:lol: That was when my head was going to explode.  

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4 hours ago, TurboDiesel said:

"Flying Kiwis"? The kiwis got exctinct just because they didn't fly. Good intelligent work there... 

Kiwis are extant, buddy. And they sure are flying.

In case you missed it:

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1 hour ago, Ex-yachtie said:

You didn't like the bits when he asked Chris Steele a question and then talked over the top of him?

 

Or how about when he said "we're just going to listen to the audio off the boat" before he just kept on talking?

Thankfully my head hasn't exploded, probably because I've taken good care not to listen to a word of his this time around.

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5 hours ago, TurboDiesel said:

"Flying Kiwis"? The kiwis got exctinct just because they didn't fly. Good intelligent work there... 

Yes, they don't fly, but have evolved to foil...

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5 hours ago, TurboDiesel said:

"Flying Kiwis"? The kiwis got exctinct just because they didn't fly. Good intelligent work there... 

Amazingly you just described the joke bit by bit, and yet you still don't get it...

:-) 

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6 hours ago, TurboDiesel said:

"Flying Kiwis"? The kiwis got exctinct just because they didn't fly. Good intelligent work there... 

Musta been thinking of

No Moa, no Moa, in old Aotearoa.

Can't get 'em, they've et 'em,

They're gone and there ain't no moa.

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12 hours ago, Sailabout said:

percentage wise I would say only the USA and the Brits have a history, everyone else is all new to it.

Any sons/daughters or grandkids racing of previous entrants?

Interesting question. Not that I've heard off. Lots of old yachting families represented, like the Salthouses and the Endeans etc.

Nothing like three contemporary Barret brothers in the All Blacks though!!!!!!!

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6 hours ago, TurboDiesel said:

"Flying Kiwis"? The kiwis got exctinct just because they didn't fly. Good intelligent work there... 

fuck even I know that the Kiwi isn't extinct, who's the intelligent one then blown Turbo?

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6 hours ago, TurboDiesel said:

"Flying Kiwis"? The kiwis got exctinct just because they didn't fly. Good intelligent work there... 

evolutionary progress has Kiwis foiling now.........go figure

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7 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Interesting question. Not that I've heard off. Lots of old yachting families represented, like the Salthouses and the Endeans etc.

Nothing like three contemporary Barret brothers in the All Blacks though!!!!!!!

good answer, at least you didn't antagonise him by recalling the brits own the longest choke in yachting history, followed of course by you know who

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OK,  so I've watched yesterday's race 3 times again and don't really have any insight other than it was fucking sweet to watch.

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4 minutes ago, jaysper said:

OK,  so I've watched yesterday's race 3 times again and don't really have any insight other than it was fucking sweet to watch.

yep it was sawden sweet to see

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42 minutes ago, jaysper said:

OK,  so I've watched yesterday's race 3 times again and don't really have any insight other than it was fucking sweet to watch.

Boring race though, right? Not even really a contest, right from the get-go.

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20 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Boring race though, right? Not even really a contest, right from the get-go.

I hope all the rest of the races are just like that. ETNZ out in front and Orifice safely tucked in second. Fuckers! 

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2 hours ago, jaysper said:

I hope all the rest of the races are just like that. ETNZ out in front and Orifice safely tucked in second. Fuckers! 

might be like the last one, TNZ quickest out of the box then USA slowly overtakes, just depends on home many days that takes?

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13 hours ago, TurboDiesel said:

"Flying Kiwis"? The kiwis got exctinct just because they didn't fly. Good intelligent work there... 

The big hairy Moa became extinct as were eaten all up; a bit like Oracle will be next week...

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Love to see a piccy of a flying moa

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5 minutes ago, Sailabout said:

Love to see a piccy of a flying moa

 this close enough

 

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22 hours ago, kenergy said:

I had to leave for work this morning just when they announced 10 mins to start. First time I missed a tv race but I thought it would be ok to listen on the old wireless, after all pJ montcommertary was on so it would be good.

Fuck me, never again, pj has lost the fucking plot,  he spent a whole leg bleating on about the kiwi history in the cup.

For ourselves I was yelling at my radio in the car "what the fuck is going on with the race you stupid old cunt?"

Arrr.

I'm going to watch it now and calm down with a beer.

Great result though! 

LOL .....

I had to catch a plane. Left it beyond last minute. Wind died, race abandoned. Fuck ....had to run. No way of finding out what was going on. Frustrated beyond belief. Last clown to board the plane, door shut, couldn't find out anything. Then the driver announces we're stuck for an hour because some fucking idiot rammed a cargo container into the plane the wrong way round and they couldn't shut the door. Fit to kill ...... but thrilled beyond words that ETNZ romped home. I'd do it again and more if it could deliver the same result next weekend. 

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26 minutes ago, sparkiwi said:

Heartbreaking stories in London fire

Haven't read about it. Has the religion of piece claimed responsibility? (You know: piece of you here, piece of you there)

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Just now, jaysper said:

Haven't read about it. Has the religion of piece claimed responsibility? (You know: piece of you here, piece of you there)

dunno looks a bit sus - terrible tho people left for hours to die

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hey guys and gals been told the the maritime museum in Auckland will be screening the races live. limit 300 peeps first come best dressed

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Has anyone noticed how much room they leave at the top mark(s)?  For all this talk of winning starts etc. they seem to be happy to waste 2-3 boat lengths getting close to the mark?

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Its not a joke but nor is the wests refusal to accept that Islam is as much a problem now as Christianity was in the crusades.

This really shouldn't be in AC anarchy.

 

But the problem is not 'Islam', the problem is Wahabi/Salafism.

The vast majority of Muslims see them as laughable as Westboro Baptist church nutters.

But it has been intentionally spread from Saudi with the aid & abettance of Western Govts/spy agencies for use in illegal political revolutionary wars.

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1 hour ago, mezaire said:

Has anyone noticed how much room they leave at the top mark(s)?  For all this talk of winning starts etc. they seem to be happy to waste 2-3 boat lengths getting close to the mark?

Am I correct in assuming those marks are not tethered to anything but rather are just autonomous powered vehicles? 

If so, probably don't want to risk hitting it if it drifts. Not just due to penalty but also boat damage that could end the campaign or at least put you off off the water for 2 precious races.

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7 hours ago, hoom said:

This really shouldn't be in AC anarchy.

 

But the problem is not 'Islam', the problem is Wahabi/Salafism.

The vast majority of Muslims see them as laughable as Westboro Baptist church nutters.

But it has been intentionally spread from Saudi with the aid & abettance of Western Govts/spy agencies for use in illegal political revolutionary wars.

with all the oil money

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6 hours ago, jaysper said:

Am I correct in assuming those marks are not tethered to anything but rather are just autonomous powered vehicles? 

If so, probably don't want to risk hitting it if it drifts. Not just due to penalty but also boat damage that could end the campaign or at least put you off off the water for 2 precious races.

They're not powered - there are mark setting boats. I'm also pretty sure I saw language about anchoring lines somewhere. I looked it up maybe a month ago when a team caught one. I think it was said that BAR caught the line at the same time they hit ETNZ in that practice race. I think (although it's hard to really tell) that's also what ETNZ caught in New York:

 

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20 hours ago, Earl Boebert said:

Wrong Koch. Bill is reportedly estranged from Charles and David.

Cheers,

Earl

 

Reportedly?  Bill has been estranged from Charles since Bill was born.  I just got finished reading the below linked article because I was curious about the Koch brothers relationship myself.  Holy crap, Bill is a nut.  Not sure Charles and David are any better, but it would be a cold day in hell before Charles and Bill agreed on anything.  Also, the article briefly touches on the lengths Bill took to win in '92:

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Spy games became a way of life for Bill, and he used them prodigiously during his 1992 bid for the America’s Cup. Though the race has long had a reputation for a certain amount of espionage, Bill took things to another level. “This is more than the gentlemanly sport it used to be,” he said at the time. “This is war.” He sent a 30-foot Bayliner speedboat with blackout curtains and a full complement of electronics gear out to cruise the waters around San Diego, shadowing rival boats as crew members of his racing syndicate, America3, pointed handheld lasers at their quarry to record speed and telemetry data. A deckhand, in a cheeky display of America3‘s surveillance powers, once trained his long-range binoculars on a group of rival sailors playing poker and radioed over to advise: “Keep the king. Discard the jack.”

Bill’s team was ultimately said to have spent more than $2 million on intelligence activities. He dispatched helicopters to track competitors and deployed divers (using rebreathers so the telltale bubbles wouldn’t arouse suspicion) to study the keels of rival yachts.

“That’s been his whole life—private investigators with his brothers and trying to get an edge in all kinds of nefarious ways,” said Gary Jobson, a member of the America3crew who ended up having his own brush with Bill’s surveillance campaign. A decorated sailor who had won the America’s Cup aboard Ted Turner’s Courageous in 1977, Jobson had once been close with Bill, even convincing him to make a bid for the Cup. But when he quit the team in 1991, to join ESPN, Bill was incensed. “People don’t leave Bill Koch,” Jobson told me.

Bill, Jobson says, became convinced that he was leaking technical secrets to his opponents. “I had a bad vibe,” Jobson remembered. “I’d put the garbage out, and the garbage can would be on the other side of the driveway the next morning. And you would hear funny clicking noises when I talked on the phone.” Then Jobson arrived home one day to find a thick envelope on his doorstep. It contained a 150-page surveillance report from the detective agency Bill had hired to track him—leaked, he surmised, by a member of the America3 organization who had taken pity on him. “Holy Christ,” Jobson thought as he paged through the report, “these guys have been following me around for months.”

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/koch-brothers-family-history-sons-of-wichita/

WetHog  :ph34r:

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I seem to recall someone posting around here about being the driver of the above mentioned blacked out Bayliner, saying they had all sorts of bits of black painted junk stuck on it but nothing more than a pair of binocs for actual spying.

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On 13/06/2017 at 9:56 AM, Paddywackery said:

A class act. 

Yeah a decent show in the press conf and his comments about the future of the Cup were thoughtful and respectful of ETNZ. However he does get some demerits

- think he should have had some more visible scolding re his ump abuse. It's a sorry precedent

- couldn't bring himself to say anything nice about Burling & Tuke, singled out Ashby

- going on about how NO dominated the starts. Which races was he watching exactly?

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1 hour ago, eurochild said:

Yeah a decent show in the press conf and his comments about the future of the Cup were thoughtful and respectful of ETNZ. However he does get some demerits

- think he should have had some more visible scolding re his ump abuse. It's a sorry precedent

- couldn't bring himself to say anything nice about Burling & Tuke, singled out Ashby

- going on about how NO dominated the starts. Which races was he watching exactly?

I agree completely. A touch of graciousness would not have gone amiss.  

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9 hours ago, jawjaw said:

They're not powered - there are mark setting boats. I'm also pretty sure I saw language about anchoring lines somewhere. I looked it up maybe a month ago when a team caught one. I think it was said that BAR caught the line at the same time they hit ETNZ in that practice race. I think (although it's hard to really tell) that's also what ETNZ caught in New York:

 

Jesus! So with only 3 minutes per leg, how does the race committee manage to move these marks so quickly?

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4 hours ago, jaysper said:

Jesus! So with only 3 minutes per leg, how does the race committee manage to move these marks so quickly?

They have a small fleet (3 or 4?) boats pretty much just for the purpose. Probably a fun gig, I reckon.

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Still no Race 7 on Virtualeye.

Top notch fucking Event Management Russ :wub:

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Have to wait for OR-XEROX techo's to finish analyzing the tapes ...

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Looks like the Teams of the RBYAC have some decent breeze out there today.

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On 28/05/2017 at 2:07 PM, Sailbydate said:

Thanks Nic.

Welcome :)

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23 hours ago, generative.design said:

Nice to know..

 

God I love these guys, first to foil in SF, David vs Goliath... so want them to take it away!  Pleeez God let the Kiwis win!

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On 2017-06-14 at 0:33 AM, raging rash said:

fuck even I know that the Kiwi isn't extinct, who's the intelligent one then blown Turbo?

Ha, ha.. not me perhaps. Guess I'll have to get my NZ birds cleared out then, but I'm pretty sure they all will stay on the ground after this AC anyhow.

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Will there be streaming links to follow today races ?

The coverage of this race is such a mess, not even a way to pay a streaming fee for the event, i for sure don't want to subscribe to canal plus for a year, and i'm not even sure the races will be live on it looking at their scdule in fact think they will not.

 

Are there alreay some links facebook pages or whatever ?

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8-12 which means the light air boards, which is a bit of a benefit to etnz, assuming that otusa haven't got a complete copy of their boards done by now.  Will be interesting to see how the boats are moded.

i think staying on the foils in the start box will be a key, so interested if Pete can runaway and hide enough to get a clean shot at the first mark.

 

been waiting a long time for this!

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5 hours ago, TurboDiesel said:

Ha, ha.. not me perhaps. Guess I'll have to get my NZ birds cleared out then, but I'm pretty sure they all will stay on the ground after this AC anyhow.

(Has to get the traditional SA greeting for that.)

 

Fuck off Newbie and show us your tits.

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16 minutes ago, yl75 said:

Will there be streaming links to follow today races ?

The coverage of this race is such a mess, not even a way to pay a streaming fee for the event, i for sure don't want to subscribe to canal plus for a year, and i'm not even sure the races will be live on it looking at their scdule in fact think they will not.

 

Are there alreay some links facebook pages or whatever ?

Slightly wrong thread, but WTF.

(BTW, my virus scan didn't show any anomalies, but you use the pirate stream services at your own peril!)

For ourselves, here some hopefully useful links:

First of all: Make sure your antivir is up to date, and you have an adblocker running!
You won't need to register or open an account! If you are asked to do so, select another stream/link.

Choose one of the streams here: http://live.robinwidget.org/
A selection:
   http://live.robinwidget.org/static/freeplayer/47507908913020.html
   http://live.robinwidget.org/static/freeplayer/47507908913010.html
   http://live.robinwidget.org/static/freeplayer/47507908913210.html
   http://live.robinwidget.org/streamvideo8/sailing-vs-35th-americas-cup-2017-live-stream-1845137.html
   http://live.robinwidget.org/streamvideo8/sailing-vs-35th-americas-cup-2017-live-stream-2477928.html

If this doesn't work, you can try here:
   https://www.vipbox.nu/sports/water-sports.html
here
   http://www.stream2watch.cc/live-television/united-kingdom/bt-1-live-stream-2017
here
   https://www.batmanstream.com/other-live-streaming-video-8.html
or here 
    Look for BT1/scroll down: http://cricfree.sc/bt-sport-1-live-stream-1

Play-by-play blog: http://www.yachtsandyachting.co.uk/americas-cup/live-americas-cup-blog/

The press conferences are streamed here: https://www.youtube.com/user/AmericasCup/videos

Replays of both round robins, although with German/Austrian common-tree (you may need to get a German IP address): http://www.servustv.com/de/Videos/America-s-Cup
Here the replays of the more recent races: http://www.servustv.com/de/Sendungen/America-s-Cup-2017

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19 minutes ago, yl75 said:

Will there be streaming links to follow today races ?

The coverage of this race is such a mess, not even a way to pay a streaming fee for the event, i for sure don't want to subscribe to canal plus for a year, and i'm not even sure the races will be live on it looking at their scdule in fact think they will not.

 

Are there alreay some links facebook pages or whatever ?

works here.  http://cricfree.sc/bt-sport-1-live-stream-ing

 

don't click on the wrong links

 

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