DevsNzL 0 #8201 Posted June 24, 2017 So Spitty just said yea they gave up stability for speed. So basically etnz just needs to be on his arse if behind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 42 #8202 Posted June 24, 2017 Jimmy really surprised over dial down penalty? Wtf? Get your arse out of the way! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~HHN92~ 114 #8203 Posted June 24, 2017 Has anybody called the cops, this is starting to look like a murder scene... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PabloAU 0 #8204 Posted June 24, 2017 2.04min...... I think without the 3 errors from ORXerox it would have been closer, however not enough..... 1.65knt diff in VMG on leg 5, just extended out on them....... Just frikkin wow! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ENZO THE MAL 0 #8205 Posted June 24, 2017 can some one please explain the differences between the 2 dial downs and why OR was penalised on the second.....i thought they (the dial downs) looked pretty much the same cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
generative.design 0 #8206 Posted June 24, 2017 Yeah I think JS was actually quite honest there, that's what it looks like anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monster Mash 0 #8207 Posted June 24, 2017 Horrible course management, OR are always having to make an extra maneuver. Not surer whose fault that is, Spithill or Slingsby but they need to make a personnel change asap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkiwi 0 #8208 Posted June 24, 2017 Ice Man vs Maverick (Maverick too excited, no discipline) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qman 3 #8209 Posted June 24, 2017 Tell you what. Couple more of those sub ten manoeuvres from oracle will help our cause. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
generative.design 0 #8210 Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, ENZO THE MAL said: can some one please explain the differences between the 2 dial downs and why OR was penalised on the second.....i thought they (the dial downs) looked pretty much the same cheers ETNZ (right of way boat) was forced to change course on the second dial-down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 1,004 #8212 Posted June 24, 2017 Nice job, ETNZ. One race at a time guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 26 #8213 Posted June 24, 2017 15mins to next race... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qman 3 #8214 Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, Monster Mash said: Horrible course management, OR are always having to make an extra maneuver. Not surer whose fault that is, Spithill or Slingsby but they need to make a personnel change asap. Certainly not as cocky as last time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBA 0 #8215 Posted June 24, 2017 Looked to me like they could maintain speed equal to the kiwis for the first three legs. After that and the penalty they were out of power and all their manoeuvres started suffering for it. I reckon if they are equal at start they will stay in touch but then start suffering again after a few legs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TN_Kiwi 0 #8216 Posted June 24, 2017 Looks like Spithill should have been learning how to start this last week - one of the biggest quantitative differences between these boats - Jimmy is disadvantaging OR at the start of every race so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TN_Kiwi 0 #8217 Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, lous said: Looked to me like they could maintain speed equal to the kiwis for the first three legs. After that and the penalty they were out of power and all their manoeuvres started suffering for it. I reckon if they are equal at start they will stay in touch but then start suffering again after a few legs. +1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ENZO THE MAL 0 #8218 Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, generative.design said: ETNZ (right of way boat) was forced to change course on the second dial-down ok thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevsNzL 0 #8219 Posted June 24, 2017 Damn that 1 point deficit lol, sounds much better 5-0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 779 #8220 Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, ENZO THE MAL said: can some one please explain the differences between the 2 dial downs and why OR was penalised on the second.....i thought they (the dial downs) looked pretty much the same cheers ETNZ made a final course adjustment headed towards Oracle about 7 seconds out and held steady. Oracle's course would have resulted in collision until ETNZ beared away first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**ONTOIT** 0 #8221 Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, lous said: Looked to me like they could maintain speed equal to the kiwis for the first three legs. After that and the penalty they were out of power and all their manoeuvres started suffering for it. I reckon if they are equal at start they will stay in touch but then start suffering again after a few legs. ^ this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
generative.design 0 #8222 Posted June 24, 2017 I have a little more respect for OR right now - they seemed to have spent the last week trying to genuinely match ETNZ's performance by making the boat less stable instead of rebuilding / copying or whatever they did in SF. They're still not fast enough though - the aspects that make ETNZ truly superior can't be 'modded' in a few days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**ONTOIT** 0 #8223 Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, DevsNzL said: Damn that 1 point deficit lol, sounds much better 5-0 Give it 45 minutes mate! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBA 0 #8224 Posted June 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, ENZO THE MAL said: can some one please explain the differences between the 2 dial downs and why OR was penalised on the second.....i thought they (the dial downs) looked pretty much the same cheers ETNZ altered course to below that of USA when they were at 90des to the wind. USA were never aiming below the kiwi boat when at the same angle. The kiwis had to head up to avoid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jorge 22 #8225 Posted June 24, 2017 Has anyone notice how streamlined the cyclors look? The two on the middle look higher than the rest 2 minutes ago, lous said: Looked to me like they could maintain speed equal to the kiwis for the first three legs. After that and the penalty they were out of power and all their manoeuvres started suffering for it. I reckon if they are equal at start they will stay in touch but then start suffering again after a few legs. Yes it's a matter of legs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paddywackery 0 #8227 Posted June 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, lous said: Looked to me like they could maintain speed equal to the kiwis for the first three legs. After that and the penalty they were out of power and all their manoeuvres started suffering for it. I reckon if they are equal at start they will stay in touch but then start suffering again after a few legs. That was my sense too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 214 #8228 Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, DevsNzL said: Damn that 1 point deficit lol, sounds much better 5-0 Look at it this way: OR-XEROX: -5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bezzers 0 #8229 Posted June 24, 2017 I think kiwis were on slightly the wrong foils at the start. As the wind dropped they pulled away. Clearly less of a factor than the dead stop gybes though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkiwi 0 #8230 Posted June 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Barnyb said: Pretty Picture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**ONTOIT** 0 #8231 Posted June 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, generative.design said: I have a little more respect for OR right now - they seemed to have spent the last week trying to genuinely match ETNZ's performance by making the boat less stable instead of rebuilding / copying or whatever they did in SF. They're still not fast enough though - the aspects that make ETNZ truly superior can't be 'modded' in a few days. In SF they already had the faster boat, they just had to learn how to sail it! Totally different situation than SF...they have no choice they had to make boat changes!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 42 #8232 Posted June 24, 2017 Cmon etnz fuck these bastards up the arse! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PabloAU 0 #8233 Posted June 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, generative.design said: I have a little more respect for OR right now - they seemed to have spent the last week trying to genuinely match ETNZ's performance by making the boat less stable instead of rebuilding / copying or whatever they did in SF. They're still not fast enough though - the aspects that make ETNZ truly superior can't be 'modded' in a few days. +1, though Jimmy admitting "No speed for free" stability is harder for them,,,,, Power management & ETNZ manouverability.... shit just got real folks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBA 0 #8234 Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, jorge said: Yes it's a matter of legs Not just legs. It's the legs being included in the design consideration from the initial phases allowing the kiwis to explore more design space. It's the whole boat the team and the way they sail it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoom 287 #8235 Posted June 24, 2017 Well that was a bit scary for that first upwind. ETNZ pulled away on the 2nd upwind but fluffed the top mark layline -> extra tack. But Orifice was pretty slow up top too, must have been a lull up there. And those gybes again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 26 #8236 Posted June 24, 2017 Wind indication on VS up and down a lot... patch out there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
generative.design 0 #8237 Posted June 24, 2017 Also, plenty of match racing going on in these matches - I sure hope nobody is crazy enough to suggest the AC should go back to monohulls after this.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jorge 22 #8238 Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, lous said: Not just legs. It's the legs being included in the design consideration from the initial phases allowing the kiwis to explore more design space. It's the whole boat the team and the way they sail it. Totally agree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PabloAU 0 #8239 Posted June 24, 2017 A bit like watching the Auckland Blue's in last years Super rugby..... you dont expect the errors at this level....... Apologies to the Kiwi's, there are NO Aussie rugby teams worth talking about this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 779 #8240 Posted June 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, **ONTOIT** said: In SF they already had the faster boat, they just had to learn how to sail it! Totally different situation than SF...they have no choice they had to make boat changes!! Yah ppl forget that the Kiwis actually had to sail perfect races in 2013 and lost a few before the 8-1 (3) break. I think the entire design is showing that Oracle after revisions could in theory match the Kiwis in upwind speed, but whether they can maintain control after a few marks remains to be seen. One gets the feeling that PB has enough hydralic reserves and control assistance from crew that he can sail 14 leg course. While Oracle is at the limit by mark 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**ONTOIT** 0 #8241 Posted June 24, 2017 Why have they done away with the post match analysing and started showing puff pieces instead? Feels like the racing isn't really taken seriously enough to provide some decent discussion afterwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barnacle Bill 0 #8242 Posted June 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, jaysper said: Cmon etnz fuck these bastards up the arse! You forgot, "without any jelly". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DA-WOODY 877 #8243 Posted June 24, 2017 12 minutes ago, Nutta said: You can ignore final margins - once you're going to lose in this event, you save your arms for the next race... Soo you are saying oracle is saving the Gas for their campaign as yet another challenger in Auckland nice !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 26 #8244 Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, PabloAU said: Apologies to the Kiwi's, there are NO Aussie rugby teams worth talking about this year Or for many years... 8-P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~HHN92~ 114 #8245 Posted June 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, lous said: Not just legs. It's the legs being included in the design consideration from the initial phases allowing the kiwis to explore more design space. It's the whole boat the team and the way they sail it. It is always the total package, the wing keel only did not win it for the Aussies, the tri had everything changed to work with the wing, and the Kiwi boat is a total package also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PabloAU 0 #8246 Posted June 24, 2017 Salt water would wash any lube away..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeeToLee 0 #8247 Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, generative.design said: Also, plenty of match racing going on in these matches - I sure hope nobody is crazy enough to suggest the AC should go back to monohulls after this.. Of course not. With monohulls, you'd be seeing processions, with one boat finishing two minutes behind the other. No one wants to see that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
generative.design 0 #8248 Posted June 24, 2017 For those who are watching on NBC, how is NO / Draper commentary today? As good as last weekend? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TN_Kiwi 0 #8249 Posted June 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, Miffy said: ETNZ made a final course adjustment headed towards Oracle about 7 seconds out and held steady. Oracle's course would have resulted in collision until ETNZ beared away first. yup - despite the commentary and Spithill's opinion, that was a no-brainer. I'm sure ETNZ planned for exactly that situation and how to win the penalty. Also at the start, ETNZ suckered ETNZ into going too early - did you notice their little course correction about 5 sec out to be on time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 214 #8250 Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, PabloAU said: A bit like watching the Auckland Blue's in last years Super rugby..... Oh that's cruel!!! But did you see the Blues' star Rieko Ioane's 2nd try last night?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PabloAU 0 #8251 Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, Nutta said: Or for many years... 8-P Errr..... won't go there Nutta please.... I'm just getting over burning my "Wannabies" gurnsey & supporting ETNZ feels a little "strange"...... but I am married to a Kiwi..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gissie 409 #8252 Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Nutta said: Or for many years... 8-P Could say the same about the Blues... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~HHN92~ 114 #8253 Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, generative.design said: For those who are watching on NBC, how is NO / Draper commentary today? As good as last weekend? Just got home from a trade show and saw the finish, will comment after this race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PabloAU 0 #8254 Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, Indio said: Oh that's cruel!!! But did you see the Blues' star Rieko Ioane's 2nd try last night?? Yeah - different team this year & the big fella had a stormer..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 26 #8255 Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, Gissie said: Could say the same about the Blues... Yep. I go to most of their games and it's a painful thing... Back to more important things however... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoom 287 #8256 Posted June 24, 2017 I get really nervous about these pre-starts where there is no boundary but they are right by the land Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 26 #8257 Posted June 24, 2017 Better start OR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevsNzL 0 #8259 Posted June 24, 2017 Here we go now Oracle lets see if you can now keep the lead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevsNzL 0 #8260 Posted June 24, 2017 Booommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm bye bye Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~HHN92~ 114 #8261 Posted June 24, 2017 If OR cannot do it now it is pretty much over... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 42 #8262 Posted June 24, 2017 Uh oh. Those who foolishly wanted to see what would happen if orifice won the start just got their wish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qman 3 #8263 Posted June 24, 2017 Bound to lose mark one eventually. Good run though. And could have been punished more in that Prestart. Jimmy was soft Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 1,004 #8264 Posted June 24, 2017 Nice job OTUSA. Now watch you backs. Go ETNZ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 214 #8265 Posted June 24, 2017 Passed...again!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 42 #8267 Posted June 24, 2017 Love that gybe by orifice! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hugh Janus 17 #8268 Posted June 24, 2017 we have a race Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 42 #8270 Posted June 24, 2017 Ok so I'm REALLY not liking this right now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qman 3 #8271 Posted June 24, 2017 This coverage is shocking. Want to see the downspeeds in tacks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 1,004 #8272 Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, jaysper said: Ok so I'm REALLY not liking this right now! Get a grip man. It's a yacht race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PabloAU 0 #8273 Posted June 24, 2017 Long way to go - under 100m gap, OR fall's off the foils - all over Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevsNzL 0 #8274 Posted June 24, 2017 Should we get worried now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 1,274 #8275 Posted June 24, 2017 This here Camper is rather unhappy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 214 #8276 Posted June 24, 2017 Great race at long last!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hugh Janus 17 #8277 Posted June 24, 2017 downwind will be key Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoom 287 #8278 Posted June 24, 2017 Just wait till OR fluff a turn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 42 #8279 Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, Sailbydate said: Get a grip man. It's a yacht race. You wouldn't tell me to get a grip if you knew what l have available to have a grip of! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hugh Janus 17 #8280 Posted June 24, 2017 going to be very tight at top Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 450 #8281 Posted June 24, 2017 OR is a bit faster, the key will be their mistakes or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hugh Janus 17 #8282 Posted June 24, 2017 OR looks completely differnt this race Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlowe 0 #8283 Posted June 24, 2017 Oracle looking good. Damn! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jawjaw 0 #8284 Posted June 24, 2017 They didn't show it on the broadcast, but in the last race there was a downwind where NZ just switched to a lower mode and destroyed. Didn't seem to be a wind shift. Will be interesting to see if they're capable of doing that again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 42 #8285 Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, yikes said: OR looks completely differnt this race Yikes indeed! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 450 #8286 Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, yikes said: OR looks completely differnt this race No, like the other race without the mistakes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qman 3 #8287 Posted June 24, 2017 We have a boat race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevsNzL 0 #8288 Posted June 24, 2017 have we just taken the lead woooohoooo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 1,274 #8289 Posted June 24, 2017 Yes, yes, yes!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hugh Janus 17 #8290 Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, Tornado-Cat said: No, like the other race without the mistakes mistakes and tacks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoom 287 #8294 Posted June 24, 2017 Nice low dive to mark by ETNZ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
generative.design 0 #8295 Posted June 24, 2017 PB is one cold customer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
