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it's rather amazing how for this series of races the claims of the judges being in OR's pocket have been much less than the past few months , none actually , if truth be told . 

The quiet is refreshing actually:) 

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11 minutes ago, starrchallenge said:

Hey Barnicle Bill, was at village today and I can tell you was the most diverse crowd you could ever expect at a sailing event. I'm sure your typical Auckland Sailing sausage party has more numbers but your rich white guy comment is way off base mate. 

Lots of really good people both Oracle and ENTZ fans loving the racing. 

Not in the grandstand buddy. That's strictly for good looking rich white folk. ACEA are bringing in the homeless to bolster numbers to the yard. 

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7 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

18 minutes after posting my 'banned' story i got a friendly email.  Funny how that works.

You should probably update that Front Page (whats that?) article...

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IMO the "recall" or OCS penalty should be just that. A recall, not just a penalty. A boat who is OCS should have to turn back and cross the start line again. As it is an OCS penalty doesn't really matter that much.

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37 minutes ago, maxmini said:

it's rather amazing how for this series of races the claims of the judges being in OR's pocket have been much less than the past few months , none actually , if truth be told . 

The quiet is refreshing actually:) 

It's only because it's looking like ETNZ are competitive. All those hand-wringing old men will be looking for work in a few years. They can almost taste the crab on Queens Wharf. 

Wait a minute. It didn't seem that quiet on the water or on the presser today? As an American Max, I guess you're still struggling with Jimmy's accent. 

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2 hours ago, ~HHN92~ said:

Just re-watched the races and on the post SR put up on speeds, vmg, etc. there we a number of times the Kiwi boat was consistently faster than OR. Also the Kiwis hit a top speed of 38.5 and that was noted on the NBC commentary. At times the Kiwis just angled the boat downwind especially the first run in race 1 while maintaining most of the top speed but eliminating a gybe.

OR may be faster than before but I am not convinced that they are equal or better than the Kiwis. They are probably like AR, if they get a lead they have enough to fend them off tactically by covering. There were quite a few places where you could see the wind speed helping or hurting.

I think the Kiwis still have the edge but may have to work a little harder on it.

agree

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4 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

agree

The VMGs on race 1's coverage were anomlous due to being an average over legs where Oracle had to soak up penalties.

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8 hours ago, snaerk said:

Enzed cood still hav wun last rayss, dyoo think, if thay had tact on fayss of Orickel below last top mark and led into serckle?

\Insted ov dipping

Welcome back Anserk to ASSC!! You are right of course, just like previous race they did it in. Unlike a Brazilian, its not pretty, but hairy and ugly still gets the job done.

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35 minutes ago, Barnacle Bill said:

It's only because it's looking like ETNZ are competitive. All those hand-wringing old men will be looking for work in a few years. They can almost taste the crab on Queens Wharf. 

Wait a minute. It didn't seem that quiet on the water or on the presser today? As an American Max, I guess you're still struggling with Jimmy's accent. 

I didn't catch the presser but your probley correct and a translator would have been helpful .

 Truth be told I have no problem if the sailors on either side comment on the officiating I mean they actually have skin in the game.

It's the keyboard warriors and their whining that really comes across in less than a favorable light . 

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8 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Instead of spreading sleazy rumors about opinions from whoever: Please, please try to focus instead on the (c'mon, man) excellent technology and performances being delivered out there. THAT is where the dynamite is this time around. 

Oh for heavens sake. Times past, when it suited your agenda, any news related to any company EB had ever had anything to do with was considered fit to print on SAAC. Now we are just supposed to focus on "excellent technology and performances" like obedient little boys and girls. Well screw that.

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21 minutes ago, maxmini said:

I didn't catch the presser but your probley correct and a translator would have been helpful .

 Truth be told I have no problem if the sailors on either side comment on the officiating I mean they actually have skin in the game.

It's the keyboard warriors and their whining that really comes across in less than a favorable light . 

Nah fuck it max, let's whinge about it.

Like I said after Artemis-gate, it's swings and roundabouts. Sometimes the call goes your way and sometimes not. If you are happy to take the calls when they go your way you have to suckit up when they don't. 

That dial down looked a little dodgy using the computer generated lines as a guide but presumably the umpires have the telemetry to get the job done.

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39 minutes ago, dogwatch said:

Oh for heavens sake. Times past, when it suited your agenda, any news related to any company EB had ever had anything to do with was considered fit to print on SAAC. Now we are just supposed to focus on "excellent technology and performances" like obedient little boys and girls. Well screw that.

Spinbot's herpes infection has completely destroyed what little objectivity he had...now he's just a robotic shill for anything OR-XEROX...

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54 minutes ago, maxmini said:

I didn't catch the presser but your probley correct and a translator would have been helpful .

 Truth be told I have no problem if the sailors on either side comment on the officiating I mean they actually have skin in the game.

It's the keyboard warriors and their whining that really comes across in less than a favorable light . 

Oh yeah, those horrible cunts. I hate them. Sometimes it's bloody difficult to tell the jokers from the passionate 'always right' nut jobs in here. 

When something squeaks or whines, I squirt it with WD40. If it don't STFU then, I shoot at it with some 45ACP. 

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4 hours ago, rustylaru said:

I actually like your live commentary as much as any in all of sailing and have for a number of years. The volvo start you did and especially the M32.  And your facebook dock out thing this morning was great.

Just to balance it all out thought....your a punk.

 

Don't forget the Moth Worlds....and those missing Monday AC34 ETNZ videos!

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3 hours ago, maxmini said:

it's rather amazing how for this series of races the claims of the judges being in OR's pocket have been much less than the past few months , none actually , if truth be told . 

The quiet is refreshing actually:) 

Well, after winning so many races after questionble rulings in ETNZ's favor i guess it's quiet now. The second penalty against OR in first race yesterday was just as much bullshit as the one against Artemis. 

No blame on ETNZ, they are doing it rifht, but the umpries has done a terrible job this cycle..

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4 hours ago, nroose said:

Translation from New Zealand Engish to American English: "NZ Needed a fake protest or two, plus a few big errors from OR to win, and they didn't get them."

if you say so, but oracle also won that start.  where was the fake protest, just remember the both protested that crossing. not just ETNZ.  I was fair.  And OR was at least 1/2 a boat length over at the start, it wasn't a couple of mm.    Race one OR make a couple of errors and lose by 2 minutes, race 2 etnz lose the start, make errors and lose by 11 seconds.   All things being equal i know who i would back. 

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Cheers to the person who put the links up, saved my butt while in Aus today and the crappy sky app wouldn't play ball! 

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12 hours ago, KoW said:

.......

Personally I am very impressed with the improvements Oracle have made.

Jimmy blaming his software and the umpires is typically ungracious of the man.

Indeed. 

to yore 2nd point : I hope hiz teem do not lissen to the press conferents stuff

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7 hours ago, Barnacle Bill said:

The Cup's a media failure. I'm ok with paying to view TV and the app. What I'm not ok with is the commentary we get in NZ through sky TV. I'm forced to turn the volume down and instead constantly refresh SAAC and glance over to the app as attention allows. I DON'T want to hear an English and American with OTUSA bias tell me what's going on, nor do I need a lesson on hydraulic fluid pumping differences during every race. 

I believe the future of coverage in this event lies in a central online streaming solution where you can choose a variety of commentators, camera angles and positions, listen to what ever boat you want or go for the full VR experience. 

I believe we should have the power to overlay data on the screen as we see fit and be able to analyze data post race with full access to all recorded data that the teams get as part of the deal. 

This way the experience can  be as simple or complex as the user wants. None of this requires technology advances, just the courage to do it. 

I'll be letting the winning team know this view and will let a know what reply I get, if any. 

If you are using SkyTV you can get rid of the commentary and just listen to the mics on the boats.  

Press the yellow button on your remote and select the Alt commentary. 

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2 hours ago, jaysper said:

That dial down looked a little dodgy using the computer generated lines as a guide but presumably the umpires have the telemetry to get the job done.

Looked skweeky cleen on Virtual Eye

but yore ryt, umps shd hav better still, eg seperit TWA for eetsh bote, and hi rez diff GPS

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25 minutes ago, Qman said:

if you say so, but oracle also won that start.  where was the fake protest, just remember the both protested that crossing. not just ETNZ.  I was fair.  And OR was at least 1/2 a boat length over at the start, it wasn't a couple of mm.    Race one OR make a couple of errors and lose by 2 minutes, race 2 etnz lose the start, make errors and lose by 11 seconds.   All things being equal i know who i would back. 

I don't agree on "fake protest" since a protest is a protest, but the ruling however is shit. The penalty OR got at the start looked fair by me.  It's playoff. Final, and just as in any other sport the umpries must have that in mind when ruling and the other penalty OR got where BS.

Umpries has hot it wrong to many times to be ok by me.

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4 hours ago, maxmini said:

it's rather amazing how for this series of races the claims of the judges being in OR's pocket have been much less than the past few months , none actually , if truth be told . 

The quiet is refreshing actually:) 

How about letting the TV director calling shots on having 2 vs 3 races tomorrow, rather than IM. I wonder who that may advantage. 

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Anyone heard an explanation of WHY there will only be two races tomorrow, given that the rule specifically allows for three if there is a chance to finish the Match?

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29 minutes ago, weta27 said:

Anyone heard an explanation of WHY there will only be two races tomorrow, given that the rule specifically allows for three if there is a chance to finish the Match?

Was on one todays Pete Lester/Martin Tasker dock in shows Toyota/ETNZ have on their FB page around 8 mins in. Feat Murray Jones. Am suspicious, like all the kiwis.

 

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No chance. 

Orifice are running the show and will make sure it's only 2 tomorrow so if they're behind they have overnight to make changes. 

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1 hour ago, weta27 said:

Anyone heard an explanation of WHY there will only be two races tomorrow, given that the rule specifically allows for three if there is a chance to finish the Match?

As soon as they made Monday not Sunday the last day that provision in effect probably flipped to Monday I suspect though nothing stopping them having 3 if they wanted it being a commercial call.

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It is just on 8.30 am and breeze across the sound is identical to yesterday and has been sitting on a steady 7/8k and has been trending up in the the last hour or so. Expect the average to hit 10k shortly. Can't see foil selection at cut off time being any different to yesterday. 

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17 hours ago, Qman said:

Exactly.  That was like Artemis.  They did that one day also.  Not stressed 

too right, PB knows he made mistakes, knows he can do better today

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3 hours ago, minimumfuss said:

How about letting the TV director calling shots on having 2 vs 3 races tomorrow, rather than IM. I wonder who that may advantage. 

It's not IM's call, but rather the Commercial Commissioner in conjunction with the broadcaster but the decision had to be made last night.

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3 hours ago, weta27 said:

Anyone heard an explanation of WHY there will only be two races tomorrow, given that the rule specifically allows for three if there is a chance to finish the Match?

 My friends at NBC tell me they'd be happy for this to end tomorrow, so it's likely the Commercial Commissioner decided to keep it at 2.  Not sure who he consulted in making the decision though.

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3 hours ago, weta27 said:

Anyone heard an explanation of WHY there will only be two races tomorrow, given that the rule specifically allows for three if there is a chance to finish the Match?

To give OR more time to work on their boat.  Come on!!!

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16 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said:

To give OR more time to work on their boat.  Come on!!!

I hope so! ;-)

For the sake of the European teams I hope the Muricans win. It would make it so much easier for the French, Brits and Swedes to be back next time, to have an ACWS and a YAC Which I think could contribute greatly to the popularity of our sports among latent sailing enthousiasts. (If they take their broadcasting policy out of the dark ages..)

All this talk about USA having unfair advantages (not just by fans, but also by the ETNZ "leadership") just make me think that this is something precious that NZ would like to get their fingers on and milk to the last drop, instead of building on the positive things of this concept has given sailing.
 

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14 minutes ago, Van Schakel said:

All this talk about USA having unfair advantages (not just by fans, but also by the ETNZ "leadership") just make me think that this is something precious that NZ would like to get their fingers on and milk to the last drop, instead of building on the positive things of this concept has given sailing.

Ok name me the positives really cause it ain't bringing in the crowds, or the ratings, so it's obviously not working, gee I think when it was raced in mono's they had better ratings this thing about RC and Elison being the savior of the AC is a load of croc.  The sooner the damn cup is out of Elisons hands then maybe we will see a better format. 

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17 hours ago, LoopyGirdleSniffer said:

No sailing just isn't a TV friendly sport and all the attempts to make it so are ultimately in the long run going to fail.  It's a participation sport. 

To many weird confusing rules for normal people.  Not terribly exciting to watch either as a non-sailor.  With the wide angle shots despite the fact the boats are doing 30-40 knots they still look slow.  

That being said I'm glad it's being broadcast.  I just don't think it's a sustainable dream to bring sailing to TV

Well, Not among my friends. This is exactly the point I've been rambling on about! Last AC I got about 10 of my friends who don't consider themselves sailors to watch on Youtube and enjoy this stuff and understand it. They started looking for puffs, talked about VMG, tacks, gybes.. Just like they talk about Formula 1 or Football.

Not that they can do it, but they can understand some basic mechanics as they are presented to them.

When this can happen at scale, and I must believe it can, It could be a great thing for sailing as a sport. 

 

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Breeze is now struggling to get above 10k average so with 3 hours to go don't expect to see the. pressure increase in the afternoon that occured yesterday. Min to Max might be in the 6 - 13k range so will be pretty tricky out there. 

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43 minutes ago, DevsNzL said:

Ok name me the positives really cause it ain't bringing in the crowds, or the ratings, so it's obviously not working, gee I think when it was raced in mono's they had better ratings this thing about RC and Elison being the savior of the AC is a load of croc.  The sooner the damn cup is out of Oracles hands then maybe we will see a better format. 

Look right above this post mate.. This is why I keep believing.

On the ratings, Im totally with you. Selling the tv right the old fashioned way was the dumbest thing've done. should've teamed up with Youtube again.  If they want this concept to grow (I still believe in it's potential because of what I've seen happening at home) they should truly get it to the masses for free.


What I do love about it though are the graphic overlays they introduced in the last AC. It makes it easy to understand for non sailors. The racing not stretching out for hours and hours also helps. But then again, people also watch Formula 1 and cycling.. So that might just be a thing to figure out.

The speed of these boats helps. Speed often makes a sport more watchable. mostly because it tends to make stuff more dramatic (that overused word from the last AC, but not untrue).

If we want to see crowds, And I really do, The Cup could be one of the greatest events to promote sailing. Thats how I see the AC not an event I can ever race in myself, but as a source of entertainment for the masses, educating them on sailing.

Wouldn't it be awesome so have crowds for sailing events like they have in France (start of the vendee Globe) and NZ around the world?

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14 hours ago, jaysper said:

God I would love to have NO and Draper cf Read. 

For all of KR's achievements, his commentary has been rather uninsightful. He does not need to try and (poorly) explain VMG every race. A commentator is supposed to elaborate on what we can't see, not talk about what we can conclude ouselves. I was also unimpressed by his Monday morning flight home quip. None of us expected a clean sweep, damn, I'm not sure we'll win till after we win. Then he withdrew it like a 7 year old asking to take back his move in chess because it check-mated him.

Get NO and IP on there- both are articulate speakers who tell us what we don't know and can't see. I for one, would love to hear Peter Montgomery's voice if we win. It's etched into the fabric of NZ sport and culture.

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Front page for the full Murray/Slater briefing, including analysis of the penalties yesterday.  Spithills OCS was a long way OCS - 1.2 seconds, according to IM.

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1 minute ago, MR.CLEAN said:

PJM is on the radio i think.  he's here, doing something on a mic!

Mr Clean, would love to hear you thoughts about today.

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13 minutes ago, NZL5 said:

For all of KR's achievements, his commentary has been rather uninsightful. He does not need to try and (poorly) explain VMG every race. A commentator is supposed to elaborate on what we can't see, not talk about what we can conclude ouselves. I was also unimpressed by his Monday morning flight home quip. None of us expected a clean sweep, damn, I'm not sure we'll win till after we win. Then he withdrew it like a 7 year old asking to take back his move in chess because it check-mated him.

Get NO and IP on there- both are articulate speakers who tell us what we don't know and can't see. I for one, would love to hear Peter Montgomery's voice if we win. It's etched into the fabric of NZ sport and culture.

I'm with you. I would also love to hear Percy's take on matters but as he's about to be a father he's focusing on the important stuff. 

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1 hour ago, Van Schakel said:

For the sake of the European teams I hope the Muricans win. It would make it so much easier for the French, Brits and Swedes to be back next time, to have an ACWS and a YAC

Probably true. But now all the European teams are gone, I am hoping for an ETNZ win. Wussell-vision has just squeezed all the eccentric joy out of it.

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PS would a moth beat an AC50 around the course?

They seem to have a tacking angle like a hobie 16

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46 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Front page for the full Murray/Slater briefing, including analysis of the penalties yesterday.  Spithills OCS was a long way OCS - 1.2 seconds, according to IM.

So what's zappening now?

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I just wanted to blow smoke and say thank you to everybody on here yesterday with the fresh live racing updates ! I know the racing is fast and you're typing fast, but all of the real time info that you throw up on here, is being duly received. I'm up here in washington state with my iPhone, well yesterday I was trying to watch live on a computer, but as you all know, I wasn't able to watch shit ! Because I'm a non-subscription paying lazy American. Today I'm chasing it with my iPhone, I think I saw it somewhere online yesterday about download a live racing app, is this true? If any of you could point me in that direction I'd appreciate it ! Now all that being said, go ETNZ

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So latest & greatest on the weather there???? 30 odd min to go,.......

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19 minutes ago, scottyMO said:

I just wanted to blow smoke and say thank you to everybody on here yesterday with the fresh live racing updates ! I know the racing is fast and you're typing fast, but all of the real time info that you throw up on here, is being duly received. I'm up here in washington state with my iPhone, well yesterday I was trying to watch live on a computer, but as you all know, I wasn't able to watch shit ! Because I'm a non-subscription paying lazy American. Today I'm chasing it with my iPhone, I think I saw it somewhere online yesterday about download a live racing app, is this true? If any of you could point me in that direction I'd appreciate it ! Now all that being said, go ETNZ

Why don't you try one of the pirate streams?

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Breeze is now struggling to get above 10k average so with 3 hours to go don't expect to see the. pressure increase in the afternoon that occured yesterday. Min to Max might be in the 6 - 13k range so will be pretty tricky out there. 

 

15 minutes ago, PabloAU said:

So latest & greatest on the weather there???? 30 odd min to go,.......

This above still the case...and your an hour out

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Time required to recover TV remote from "She who should be obey'd but seldom is", recover chair from the household animals & get ready for another Cardio stress test.....

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9 minutes ago, PabloAU said:

Time required to recover TV remote from "She who should be obey'd but seldom is", recover chair from the household animals & get ready for another Cardio stress test.....

LOL

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10 hours ago, Indio said:

Spinbot's herpes infection has completely destroyed what little objectivity he had...now he's just a robotic shill for anything OR-XEROX...

He's nervous, he will have to start looking for a job, or perhaps doesn't like the taste of new boots

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11 minutes ago, generative.design said:

The breeze has picked up ever so slightly all morning, it's now back to almost the same values as yesterday, perhaps about 1k less and a little less puffy:

http://www.weather.bm/tools/graphics.asp?name=PEARL ISLAND GRAPH

 

Thanks for this mate - hmmm less shifty...... going to be real interesting..... Who's got port entry ETNZ? for the 1st race.....

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Anyone could own this song after today maybe

Yeah 
I can't believe the news today 
Oh, I can't close my eyes 
And make it go away…

 

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59 minutes ago, Sailabout said:

PS would a moth beat an AC50 around the course?

They seem to have a tacking angle like a hobie 16

Great question. 

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11 minutes ago, PabloAU said:

Thanks for this mate - hmmm less shifty...... going to be real interesting..... Who's got port entry ETNZ? for the 1st race.....

Yes

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1 hour ago, scottyMO said:

I just wanted to blow smoke and say thank you to everybody on here yesterday with the fresh live racing updates ! I know the racing is fast and you're typing fast, but all of the real time info that you throw up on here, is being duly received. I'm up here in washington state with my iPhone, well yesterday I was trying to watch live on a computer, but as you all know, I wasn't able to watch shit ! Because I'm a non-subscription paying lazy American. Today I'm chasing it with my iPhone, I think I saw it somewhere online yesterday about download a live racing app, is this true? If any of you could point me in that direction I'd appreciate it ! Now all that being said, go ETNZ

Dude,

go to your local sports bar as an early bird and ask them to put on NBC.

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Yesterday was a roll of the dice

No boat is faster than one in right place at any Givin moment

GAWD haz a SICK Fucking sence of Humor & Bets too 

He will make Bank when TNZ wraps it up on Monday

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Is robinwidget working today?

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Well here we go again, ETNZ no mistakes and you got this 

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I'm more nervous today than on the first day of the match last weekend.

Hoping Oracle's resurgence in yesterday's racing doesn't continue.

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12 hours ago, Barnacle Bill said:

Not in the grandstand buddy. That's strictly for good looking rich white folk. ACEA are bringing in the homeless to bolster numbers to the yard. 

Realize that all Bermudian residents get half off tickets.  And a grandstand ticket is $100USD so not many homeless there.

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Just now, nzrick said:

You might be on the wrong channel. Switched to BT Sport 2.

Thanks for the info, I'm usually watching Servus since they broadcast the AC

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1 minute ago, Paddywackery said:

Wind looks lighter than yesterday. 

Well I like that, hope stays that way unless.................

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2 minutes ago, nzrick said:

You might be on the wrong channel. Switched to BT Sport 2.

Thanks mate. You have the link?

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6 hours ago, NorthKorean said:

No chance. 

Orifice are running the show and will make sure it's only 2 tomorrow so if they're behind they have overnight to make changes. 

But Stingers is adamant that the race committee is independent. They couldn't possibly make a decision in the interests of only one of the teams involved?

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Just now, marlowe said:

Jimmy talking tough. Says he likes the conditions.

Yes and mentioned they took 'way more' than 80 kilos off the boat. I thought the limit was 100 kilos?

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1 minute ago, marlowe said:

Jimmy talking tough. Says he likes the conditions.

Such a cock "keep dreaming mate!"

Mate... there's only a 100kg window to play with... 

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