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LE....all those $$$$ poof....since day one NZ snap tack and jibes on foils...nitro boost in the helm controls...today....after PP cluster rally....WOW~~~~~~~~ 

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49 minutes ago, rgeek said:

Yet there's something nagging Oracle shaped nagging in the back of my mind

Oh yes, I am still suffering PTSD after last time.

And we still have to make it to the match, which will not be particularly easy as both Japan and Artemis looked solid today despite the lop sided score line.

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5 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Oh yes, I am still suffering PTSD after last time.

And we still have to make it to the match, which will not be particularly easy as both Japan and Artemis looked solid today despite the lop sided score line.

What ????....NZ has shown a big bag of tricks....yeah...PTSD....primal instinct  is all I've seen....get a grip !

 

 

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14 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said:

What ????....NZ has shown a big bag of tricks....yeah...PTSD....primal instinct  is all I've seen....get a grip !

 

 

Yes, they have and I have not doubt they have more up their sleeves.

But we had them dead to rights last time. I won't be popping the cork on the champers until such time as we win this thing (assuming we do!)

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Barring a calamity on ETNZ, this regatta is over. I was hoping for some close racing; this shit I'd BORING!

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3 minutes ago, Woolfy said:

Show ain't over til etc etc

Oh...I love competition and drama......Going back to all the elimination races.....ETNZ has snap tacked and gybed in superior fashion...and as shown ...I stammer thinking of comparison anywhere close to the speed differential they have at first flashed and since yesterday boot stomped of LE et al~~~~~~~~

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6 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said:

Oh...I love competition and drama......Going back to all the elimination races.....ETNZ has snap tacked and gybed in superior fashion...and as shown ...I stammer thinking of comparison anywhere close to the speed differential they have at first flashed and since yesterday boot stomped of LE et al~~~~~~~~

I am all for LE and company being sent packing. I am hopeful that some semblance of the Cup will return under NZ. If that does not happen it will be same ol' same ol'.  The only difference being the crickets from the usual NZ fanboys. I also remember OR being down 8-1 and it seeming to be over every time. So, it ain't over 'til its over.

This charade has been a farce and I have been absent form this forum because of it. It would be nice to see the event return to an event where the integrity of the Cup and its history is respected.

 

WL

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That's only happened once in the history of the Cup.

Only two team has ever won more than 2 races and lost. ETNZ and DC in '83.

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How boring when one boat wins by over a KM.! The Oracle design team are simply no match for the Kiwis. They didn't think outside the box. The Kiwis have so many advantages there simply isn't enough time to catch up, only 2 race days from victory for the Kiwis. 

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If the last cup taught us anything, its that there is always room to make step changes in the design space that can make material changes to the relative speed of the two boats. Foiling is still so far from fully optimized that there is still plenty of room for improvement. Find one of those improvements before you lose and you can go from noncompetitive to winning the cup in just 8 races! Admittedly the boats are far more optimised foilers this cycle than they were in the last one so the prospects of step change are lower but I bet they are still there to some extent.

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6 minutes ago, Munter said:

If the last cup taught us anything, its that there is always room to make step changes in the design space that can make material changes to the relative speed of the two boats. Foiling is still so far from fully optimized that there is still plenty of room for improvement. Find one of those improvements before you lose and you can go from noncompetitive to winning the cup in just 8 races! Admittedly the boats are far more optimised foilers this cycle than they were in the last one so the prospects of step change are lower but I bet they are still there to some extent.

prob a different story in 18 knots of wind

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5 hours ago, starlyte said:

prob a different story in 18 knots of wind

Yep, much bigger margins. ETNZ light air superiority is now a given. You might be surprised when they reveal what they can really do in a breeze, now that it matters.

 

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20 hours ago, Sean said:

Barring a calamity on ETNZ, this regatta is over. I was hoping for some close racing; this shit I'd BORING!

Odds would seem to suggest you're right. But did you watch AC34? When OR was down 8-1 was it "over?"

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10 minutes ago, MidPack said:

Odds would seem to suggest you're right. But did you watch AC34? When OR was down 8-1 was it "over?"

Yeah this is far from over when considering what happened in AC34.  OR-BDA now has 5 days to find an answer to ETNZ-AUS's speed.  Can OR-BDA turn the tables again on ETNZ-AUS?  Seems unlikely considering ETNZ-AUS's pedigree in the AC, and lessons learned from AC34, but 5 days is an eternity for a team of OR-BDA's wealth and experience.  People should at least wait till after race day 3 before saying its over.

WetHog  :ph34r:

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17 minutes ago, MidPack said:

Odds would seem to suggest you're right. But did you watch AC34? When OR was down 8-1 was it "over?"

I don't see the two scenarios (AC34&AC35) as being directly comparable. In 34 we had breakthrough technology that one team figured out early, the other late. In 35 we have refinements of an existing technology that, at this point, are more or less set in stone. ETNZ is simply faster, primarily I would guess because they got the foils right. OR doesn't have 3 months to produce knock-offs of ETNZ foils. 

Put a fork in it. 

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The biggest advantages i see for NZ is the foot grinders and a designated guy doing only the lift angle control.  It seems so obvious in retrospect.

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On ‎19‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 4:18 PM, bgytr said:

The biggest advantages i see for NZ is the foot grinders and a designated guy doing only the lift angle control.  It seems so obvious in retrospect.

There's no one thing. ETNZ is just a better package.

The bat wing foils give them more stability. They increase stability automatically when the boat is thrown into a roll out of the turn + BT has his hands free. That's giving them an edge in every tack and gybe.

Then there's the auto trim on the wing and foils.

The there's the cyclors, giving them the capacity to make more trim changes that the opposition.

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