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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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Yea.. PA has pretty much been a primal scream of liberal terror and frustration for 7 months.

In the real world, I'm actually considered a pragmatic liberal guy with libertarian leanings.  Here, I'm a conservative voice because I'm (1) willing to let people fuck up before I judge them (2) thought the Keystone pipeline was the best solution to a lot of bad options and (3) don't have a hatred of religion - even though I'm basically an atheist.

That's all it takes to be 'conservative' compared to the baseline.

 

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19 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Dignified? Well supported criticisms?  You've been in the glue pot again, haven't ya?  You fuggers on the left constantly vilify everyone and every position that's not left of center - you personally insult, demean, and cast aspersions against the lineage of everyone who disagrees with you - and whine like little crybabies when anyone calls you on your bullshit.    I don't think that most of  you want discussion - you want to cry and complain about how much you hate everything and everyone that doesn't agree with you. You don't want compromise, you want to tear down everything that can in anyway be construed to be supportive of perspectives you oppose.  The libbies have been at this crap for a long damn time, and now that they're on the receiving end of this behavior, they wanna cry foul. 

I don't agree with much of anything that Trump has done, and that the R controlled congress has allowed.  The idiocy that has become the more vocal component of the Republican party apparatus is an embarrassment.  That said - none of that validates the vitriol that has been demonstrated towards the conservatively aligned individuals here.  Those of you acting that way aren't doing so because of Trump - you're doing it because you're intolerant, self absorbed pricks. 

Chessy, your emotions are showing. You are hearing full throated disgust from a group unified by the vulgarian in chief, and when you defend the goals of this American travesty and receive body blows to your patriotism and your moral center in return you become defensive. I'm sorry your leaders are this bad, it affects me too. But don't become a snowflake. It's much more fun when you have the courage of your convictions, and seek out compromise and areas of agreement in contrast to points of contention. You've made me rethink my positions several times, and I've enjoyed that. 

But, what do you think Roger Ailes and Rupert M have been shoveling for decades now? This type of "discourse" isn't new; the language and style being co-opted by the left may be, but right wing examples from Alex Jones and more are well established. Chickens comin' home and all that.

And when called on bullshit, I've seen examples on both sides of our aisle here of good & bad. There doesn't seem to be a partisan bias to manly responses here.

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14 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

That be a mighty broad brush you be painting with, Chesapeake. Something you said you were trying to avoid. Walk the walk and all that.

Don't get me wrong, I haven't much time for Gouv's stuff either; but there are far more "fuggers on the left" than him and not all of us are vilifying "everyone and every position not left of centre". 

Perhaps my last sentence should have been bolded - "Those of you acting that way aren't doing so because of Trump - you're doing it because you're intolerant, self absorbed pricks. "    I understand how the first part read, and I didn't intend to include everyone who swings left of right in my criticism, just those who think that because they despise the current tenant of the White House that they are justified in personally vilifying everyone who disagrees with them politically. 

We all get bent on occasion, some here seem to think it's appropriate to act like that all the time. 

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11 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

To be accurate, I was opposed to both of them, all along.  

Sorry, I've probably overstated myself. I've read that you deny supporting HRC and I've not read that you support Trump.

A bit like those kids you teach math & science, I don't claim to know where you stand. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Betel Buai said:

Sorry, I've probably overstated myself. I've read that you deny supporting HRC and I've not read that you support Trump.

A bit like those kids you teach math & science, I don't claim to know where you stand. 

 

I found both candidates offered up by the parties to be unworthy.  I would have preferred Kasich out of the field of GOP candidates and liked some of Bernie's ideas - though he carries the mark of "Socialist" (which is not quite accurate), so he wasn't going anywhere.

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11 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I found both candidates offered up by the parties to be unworthy.  I would have preferred Kasich out of the field of GOP candidates and liked some of Bernie's ideas - though he carries the mark of "Socialist" (which is not quite accurate), so he wasn't going anywhere.

I sort of asked to tell us where you stand.

I'm pretty much a socialist, free schooling, free healthcare and everybody should have proper accommodation and food.

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46 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Perhaps my last sentence should have been bolded - "Those of you acting that way aren't doing so because of Trump - you're doing it because you're intolerant, self absorbed pricks. "    I understand how the first part read, and I didn't intend to include everyone who swings left of right in my criticism, just those who think that because they despise the current tenant of the White House that they are justified in personally vilifying everyone who disagrees with them politically. 

We all get bent on occasion, some here seem to think it's appropriate to act like that all the time. 

I have zero issues with conservative viewpoints, in fact they are important to the process as a moderating influence on all the artsy and impractical tree-huggers we have on the left. I know and respect many actual conservatives, and I feel their pain, because they're about as unhappy as I am with the state of things. I have a friend who is a smart guy, fiscally conservative, and a fan of low foot print government and low taxes. I can understand his view point and we have some quote nice discussions when we see each other. He also has zero tolerance for the religious nutballs driving the social agenda of government interference in daily life. He doesn't want to marry a guy, but he really doesn't give a damn if you do.

Today's GOP is fuck-all to do with conservatism, or with what the Republican party once stood for. I have little patience for anyone that supports their brand of anti-American fuckery and pseudo-religious claptrap.

People that were foolish enough to think there was no difference between Clinton & Trump...they bear a fair amount of responsibility for getting Trump into office with their self indulgent write-ins and impractical protest votes. It's better than voting for Trump. But I don't have a lot of patience for the self righteous that couldn't see Trump for what he was and smugly say "I didn't vote for him" as if they have no responsibility - because in reality they didn't vote against him, either.

And I have zero patience or respect for anyone that voted for and continues to support Trump. None.

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1 hour ago, cmilliken said:

Yea.. PA has pretty much been a primal scream of liberal terror and frustration for 7 months.

In the real world, I'm actually considered a pragmatic liberal guy with libertarian leanings.  Here, I'm a conservative voice because I'm (1) willing to let people fuck up before I judge them (2) thought the Keystone pipeline was the best solution to a lot of bad options and (3) don't have a hatred of religion - even though I'm basically an atheist.

That's all it takes to be 'conservative' compared to the baseline.

 

Yeah, well in Texas you would still be a commie/lefty.  Trust me.  

edit: Has anyone mentioned "White House Down"? You know, the recent movie where  a black president is targetted by a bunch of conservative old white guys?  The Daily Outrage was just so much better when Obama was in office. 

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2 hours ago, d'ranger said:

Yeah, well in Texas you would still be a commie/lefty.  Trust me.  

edit: Has anyone mentioned "White House Down"? You know, the recent movie where  a black president is targetted by a bunch of conservative old white guys?  The Daily Outrage was just so much better when Obama was in office. 

Yea, I'd be a commie by Texas standards!  No doubt.  

 

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8 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Those of you acting that way aren't doing so because of Trump

That must be the quote of the year so far.  So after electing someone with a record of sexual predation, can't read, has aledged links to Russia to get elected, is using the Office to make money, is destroying the planet as we speak and is systematically dismantling democracy as Americans thought it was ... is in your opinion not enough reason for people to complain?

No, you say.  They are just biased lefties!

Guy, listen to me,  you have no credibility here, but what shreds of it there may have been have been ripped away like a damaged AC50 fairing.  It is you that is doing the very thing you are complaining about, but you are unable to see it.

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7 hours ago, Betel Buai said:
8 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

I found both candidates offered up by the parties to be unworthy.  I would have preferred Kasich out of the field of GOP candidates and liked some of Bernie's ideas - though he carries the mark of "Socialist" (which is not quite accurate), so he wasn't going anywhere.

I sort of asked to tell us where you stand.

I'm pretty much a socialist, free schooling, free healthcare and everybody should have proper accommodation and food.

Who is the coward Bus? Tell us where you stand. You do have a position, don't you?

From your posts I can tell you don't like Dabs or new posters and that's about it.

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3 minutes ago, random said:

That must be the quote of the year so far.  So after electing someone with a record of sexual predation, can't read, has aledged links to Russia to get elected, is using the Office to make money, is destroying the planet as we speak and is systematically dismantling democracy as Americans thought it was ... is in your opinion not enough reason for people to complain?

No, you say.  They are just biased lefties!

Guy, listen to me,  you have no credibility here, but what shreds of it there may have been have been ripped away like a damaged AC50 fairing.  It is you that is doing the very thing you are complaining about, but you are unable to see it.

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You, of all people, really aren't in a position to attempt to discredit another poster's credibility.

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10 minutes ago, Betel Buai said:

Who is the coward Bus? Tell us where you stand. You do have a position, don't you?

From your posts I can tell you don't like Dabs or new posters and that's about it.

I bet he doesn't like socks either.

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1 hour ago, Betel Buai said:

You, of all people, really aren't in a position to attempt to discredit another poster's credibility.

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1 hour ago, Betel Buai said:

Who is the coward Bus? Tell us where you stand. You do have a position, don't you?

From your posts I can tell you don't like Dabs or new posters and that's about it.

You aren't a new poster, sock fella.

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15 hours ago, random said:

That must be the quote of the year so far.  So after electing someone with a record of sexual predation, can't read, has aledged links to Russia to get elected, is using the Office to make money, is destroying the planet as we speak and is systematically dismantling democracy as Americans thought it was ... is in your opinion not enough reason for people to complain?

No, you say.  They are just biased lefties!

Guy, listen to me,  you have no credibility here, but what shreds of it there may have been have been ripped away like a damaged AC50 fairing.  It is you that is doing the very thing you are complaining about, but you are unable to see it.

Your behavior and inability to comprehend simple comments renders your opinions to be without merit, not your political leanings.  Valid complaints and discussions of positions are fine - deciding that anyone who disagrees with you deserves to be excoriated simply because they disagree is something else. Of course, I don't expect someone who equates an apartment fire to a plane hitting a building to understand much of anything. 

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15 hours ago, Betel Buai said:

Who is the coward Bus? Tell us where you stand. You do have a position, don't you?

From your posts I can tell you don't like Dabs or new posters and that's about it.

I am a bit puzzled by this post.

You original request didn't specify I was expected to outline my entire political philosophy.

In fact, your response to my previous comment seemed to sort of end this part of the discussion.  At least, from my perspective.  You offered up your "position" without asking for more from me.

Now, you call me a coward for not doing your bidding, which was vague.

Are you having a bad morning?

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15 hours ago, Spatial Ed said:

I bet he doesn't like socks either.

I don't.  I find them to be puzzling in their cowardice.

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15 hours ago, Betel Buai said:

Who is the coward Bus? Tell us where you stand. You do have a position, don't you?

From your posts I can tell you don't like Dabs or new posters and that's about it.

Oh the Irony!

 

 

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On 6/13/2017 at 7:35 AM, B.J. Porter said:

Where was your complaint when they staged it with a BLACK Julius Caeser during the Obama era?

Oh yeah, that wasn't offensive then, right?

 

It WAS done to Obama, you fool. He's not a thin skinned vulgarian, and actually probably has read the play and understands. Unlike that turd Trump.

BJ could  you please cite that one.  If it was done it was pretty much ignored by the media.  I don't remember that one. 

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3 minutes ago, Gone Drinking said:

BJ could  you please cite that one.  If it was done it was pretty much ignored by the media.  I don't remember that one. 

You could look at the link provided in Post #83, in this very thread.

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People getting upset about political effigy is really kinda dumb.   If you think about it - MOST of Shakespeare's work was political satire, digging jabs, but, just enough plausible deniability to avoid the gallows.      It's that context that helps me appreciate much of that body of work. 

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40 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

People getting upset about political effigy is really kinda dumb.   If you think about it - MOST of Shakespeare's work was political satire, digging jabs, but, just enough plausible deniability to avoid the gallows.      It's that context that helps me appreciate much of that body of work. 

What I liked most about it was when teachers would instruct us to read certain pages.  I saw that as a flashing neon sign that there was material in the pages not assigned that the instructor did NOT want us to see.  Sure enough, the next day the whole class would be enlightened and amused by the character who "let blew a farted" and other things that provide timeless amusement.  I'm a bit ashamed that I still laugh at that, but I still laugh about my big brother stepping in horse poop on Mackinac Island nearly 50 years ago, while we waited for our dad to finish the race.  At that age, it was the funniest thing I had ever seen, and it still ranks pretty high on the list to this day.  But i digress.  

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58 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

What I liked most about it was when teachers would instruct us to read certain pages.  I saw that as a flashing neon sign that there was material in the pages not assigned that the instructor did NOT want us to see.  Sure enough, the next day the whole class would be enlightened and amused by the character who "let blew a farted" and other things that provide timeless amusement.  I'm a bit ashamed that I still laugh at that, but I still laugh about my big brother stepping in horse poop on Mackinac Island nearly 50 years ago, while we waited for our dad to finish the race.  At that age, it was the funniest thing I had ever seen, and it still ranks pretty high on the list to this day.  But i digress.  

Well the Miller's Tale still counts for reading Chaucer, doesn't it.

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39 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

Well the Miller's Tale still counts for reading Chaucer, doesn't it.

I suppose, but that's a bit of a drop in the bucket. 

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7 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

who equates an apartment fire to a plane hitting a building to understand much of anything

Someone who comments without understanding that no plane hit WTC 7 but it fell down on the same day ... doesn't know enough about much at all.

No wonder false flag ops work with people like you out there.

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Just now, random said:

Someone who comments without understanding that no plane hit WTC 7 but it fell down on the same day ... doesn't know enough about much at all.

No wonder false flag ops work with people like you out there.

If you hit a pole with a car, and structurally damage the pole, would you expect it to withstand as much additional damage as it would have before the car hit it? WTC 7 got hit w/a bunch of stuff when the first tower collapsed - Ya don't suppose that made it any weaker, do ya?

Ya know what - never mind, you're an intentional idiot, and don't deserve to be given consideration when you're spouting stupid stuff like this.  Why don't you go dig around in your backyard to make sure nobody's planted any sensors there - you DO know that your posts here are being monitored, and that they're already "on to ya" - if you at least know where the sensors are planted, you'll know where you can and can't speak freely.  

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1 minute ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

WTC 7 got hit w/a bunch of stuff when the first tower collapsed - Ya don't suppose that made it any weaker, do ya?

That from someone who thought it was hit by a plane and burned from jet fuel is fucking hilarious, when it wasn't at all.

These buildings were designed to withstand fires of that type ever since the crash in 1945.  And your conclusions are in conflict with the official NIST report, you are making shit up to suit your world view.  Sheep are easy to fool.

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On 6/14/2017 at 10:46 PM, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Dignified? Well supported criticisms?  You've been in the glue pot again, haven't ya?  You fuggers on the left constantly vilify everyone and every position that's not left of center - you personally insult, demean, and cast aspersions against the lineage of everyone who disagrees with you - and whine like little crybabies when anyone calls you on your bullshit.    I don't think that most of  you want discussion - you want to cry and complain about how much you hate everything and everyone that doesn't agree with you. You don't want compromise, you want to tear down everything that can in anyway be construed to be supportive of perspectives you oppose.  The libbies have been at this crap for a long damn time, and now that they're on the receiving end of this behavior, they wanna cry foul. 

I don't agree with much of anything that Trump has done, and that the R controlled congress has allowed.  The idiocy that has become the more vocal component of the Republican party apparatus is an embarrassment.  That said - none of that validates the vitriol that has been demonstrated towards the conservatively aligned individuals here.  Those of you acting that way aren't doing so because of Trump - you're doing it because you're intolerant, self absorbed pricks. 

If you weren't such a self absorbed prick you might have noticed that "you fuggers on the left" is actually a much more complex and diverse group than you seem to think.

 

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On 6/15/2017 at 0:12 AM, B.J. Porter said:

People that were foolish enough to think there was no difference between Clinton & Trump...they bear a fair amount of responsibility for getting Trump into office with their self indulgent write-ins and impractical protest votes. It's better than voting for Trump. But I don't have a lot of patience for the self righteous that couldn't see Trump for what he was and smugly say "I didn't vote for him" as if they have no responsibility - because in reality they didn't vote against him, either.

I disagree with this principle. There is never anything wrong with voting with the person you want to represent you.

The great tragedy here is that nearly all of the people who could  be bothered voting cast their vote for one of two completely terrible candidates.

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1 hour ago, Battlecheese said:

I disagree with this principle. There is never anything wrong with voting with the person you want to represent you.

The great tragedy here is that nearly all of the people who could  be bothered voting cast their vote for one of two completely terrible candidates.

Trump is an existential threat to Democracy as we know it. Many of us saw this then, and tried to point it out. A threat like that requires a bit more strategic thinking than voting just to feel good.

 

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Are the folks who want to protest and shut this down in danger of doing the same thing that liberal snowflakes are doing by protesting Ann and Milo's hate speech?  

 

It it seems to me that we have another group of AntiFA trying to shut down the First. 

 

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17 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Trump is an existential threat to Democracy as we know it. Many of us saw this then, and tried to point it out. A threat like that requires a bit more strategic thinking than voting just to feel good.

 

Wait for a second,,,,,, Trump wins election

Left becomes apoplectic. Demands removal.

Trump's a threat to democracy?

You're not making sense.

 

 

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19 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Trump is an existential threat to Democracy as we know it. Many of us saw this then, and tried to point it out. A threat like that requires a bit more strategic thinking than voting just to feel good.

I totally agree, but you're trying to put a band aide over a gaping wound. The result of this particular election is just a symptom of the larger problem.

Healthy government will be delivered when people vote for the person they want to represent them. I do realise this is a very pollyana outcome to hope for though.

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