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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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Bird Deterrants

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I keep my boat in Manhasset Bay in Western Long Island sound.  For some reason the birds this year are far worse than ever before.  In fact, there is an Osprey flying around the bay that loves to perch itself on my lower port spreader.  Between the seagulls and this osprey the boat gets hit hard with bird shit and fish guts. I put up streamers running along the boom but that is not good enough.  Any suggestions on what has worked in terms of keeping birds away.  I'd hate to put up metal spikes on the spreader because I have an overlapping headsail....

 

thanks for the help....

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How about some fishing line parallel to and an inch or two above the spreader?

 

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What worked for me based reading that birds hate shiny things blowing in the wind...

Go to your local party supply store and buy one of these for $5:

https://m.partycity.com/products/giant+rainbow+spray+centerpiece?bypass_redirect=1

Make a halyard retriever line with this thing taped to the top of the line such that when the halyard is hauled to the top of the mast thins thing sticks up some above the top of the mast.  

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Same theory as above, I took a pile of old CD's, drilled 1/8" holes about a 1/2" away from the CD center hole. Strung them together a couple of feet apart with 50 lb test monofilament fishing line, then ran the string of them up a flag halyard. Any breeze at all gets them moving, spinning and flashing reflected light every which way. Worked pretty well in the Caribbean. (Not my idea BTW, copied it from another boat)

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If you don't race...bird spikes work wonders.

We couldn't use them for years when I raced as they would eat an spinnaker we blew into them. So I messed around stringing cans, bottles, CD's, etc. from halyards. Sorta worked, but I still got beshitted a couple of times a year. Cormorants are the worst, in a day or two that can befoul your boat with dead eels and cement-like shit that smells like rotting fish and stains fiberglass.

One of the very first things I did when I bought a cruising only boat was put bird spikes on the spreaders. Fuck those cormorants, but they will NOT sit on them with something poking in their asses.

You can *try* working out a temporary solution with spikes, but they're really hard to line up. We played with that idea for a while - spikes on a bar that you haul up the rig to spreader height. Didn't work out well, but we didn't persist.

We use the plastic ones that fan out in a single row like your fingers in a single plane, rather than the gnarly looking ones in V rows like you see on buildings. And plastic, so they have some give if a sail does catch them. Which is rare, especially now that we don't have a spinnaker.

I can't find them online to show a picture for you, but New England Yacht Rigging up in East Greenwich, RI installed them for us. They'd know what type to order.

 

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Tried almost everything over the years: plastic snakes, CDs, string and tape lines, etc. We're on the outermost line of moored boats in our bay, seagulls love us.

The only thing that works 100% for me is netting. With a bit of practice I can install and remove it in a couple of minutes (it doesn't have to be pretty!).

A neighbouring boat has recently installed a recording of nesting birds on his boat, loops to play every few minutes. Interesting to see how well it works..... (Fortunately no liveaboards next to him - would drive you mad.)

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