JonRowe 399 #1301 Posted October 1, 2019 I just dispute that its varnish btw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 169 #1303 Posted October 1, 2019 Why can't it just be red and polished silver.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 375 #1304 Posted October 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, WakaNZ said: Where's Jimmy?? Edit: Ahh - is that him with the sunnies at the back? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 652 #1305 Posted October 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, WakaNZ said: June 21 ^ in Palermo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 375 #1306 Posted October 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, WakaNZ said: That's some fucking ironing board!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
animeproblem 178 #1307 Posted October 1, 2019 Get rid of the foil arms, close the stern, fill the cavity with ice & beer, enjoy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 754 #1308 Posted October 1, 2019 Who said Jimmy ? America's Cup: Aussie sailing villain Jimmy Spithill reckons Kiwis are his fans https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12272789 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 754 #1309 Posted October 1, 2019 Jimmy again... America's Cup: Jimmy Spithill believes he has earned respect of New Zealanders https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/116253057/americas-cup-jimmy-spithill-believes-he-has-earned-respect-of-new-zealanders Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 754 #1310 Posted October 1, 2019 And again, and there is more. The PR machine is steaming before the lauch. http://www.independentsportsnews.com/2019/10/01/americas-cup-winner-jimmy-spithill-opens-injury-age-kiwi-rivalry/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HFC Hunter 147 #1311 Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, WakaNZ said: Oh no! No one explained how to convert 75 feet into a metric length for the eyties? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HFC Hunter 147 #1312 Posted October 1, 2019 Hey Jimmy, “Too much weights. Not enough speed!” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 652 #1313 Posted October 1, 2019 The RedBull article some of the NZ articles are referring to: https://www.redbull.com/nz-en/jimmy-spithill-2019-sailing-interview Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 916 #1314 Posted October 1, 2019 3 hours ago, WakaNZ said: It sure looked bigger on the truck!! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid 152 #1315 Posted October 1, 2019 ^ Make an interesting RC boat... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 652 #1316 Posted October 1, 2019 57 minutes ago, Monkey said: It sure looked bigger on the truck!! Was a tiny truck! TFE today, for AC scroll to around 17:00 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobG 513 #1317 Posted October 2, 2019 14 hours ago, 17mika said: yep it looks so. I was hoping that Prada would bring some kind of a "new cool" with a bright color, like they did with the silver boats in Frisco... We'll see tomorrow. Paint = weight that can be more usefully employed elsewhere. Ensuring the outer/epoxy/varnish/whatever is UV stabilised has been sufficient on other boats so likely more than enough for a molly–coddled AC hull. ;-) It also ensures the boat builder makes the outer hull has fair as possible with no filling so more weight saved. I think vinyl wrap for advertising is not included in the weight of the boat, so covering most of the hull in sponsor wrap is a pretty good alternative to paint. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woolfy 224 #1318 Posted October 2, 2019 3 hours ago, RobG said: I think vinyl wrap for advertising is not included in the weight of the boat, so covering most of the hull in sponsor wrap is a pretty good alternative to paint. That doesn't make sense to me, surely you'd want the boat as light as possible? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lickindip 207 #1319 Posted October 2, 2019 Isnt there a rule about the type of finish/paint required. Standard 2 pot? Basically so the teams dont spend mega bucks on surface coating technology (sharkskin texture etc etc) Thought that's been the running in multiple cups .... oooooooo maybe thats how Oracle came back from 8-1 (dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnn) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salty Seacock 259 #1320 Posted October 2, 2019 Almost time to welcome our Italian brothers to the party. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
minimumfuss 26 #1321 Posted October 2, 2019 11 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said: And again, and there is more. The PR machine is steaming before the lauch. http://www.independentsportsnews.com/2019/10/01/americas-cup-winner-jimmy-spithill-opens-injury-age-kiwi-rivalry/ He'll look lovely sporting a prada handbag 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salty Seacock 259 #1322 Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, minimumfuss said: He'll look lovely sporting a prada handbag Gratuitous shirt off photos are only gonna attract the homosexuals. Next thing they'll be playing loud music, snorting marching powder, dressing impeccably and being polite and stuff. Oh wait. That's most Italians. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 741 #1324 Posted October 2, 2019 ^^^ Hard to tell exactly what's going on, but there looks to be some interesting treatment in the bow area. Seems to have a dimple and a bulge around the foil arms as well. Looks like another intriguing AC75. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boybland 392 #1325 Posted October 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: ^^^ Hard to tell exactly what's going on, but there looks to be some interesting treatment in the bow area. Seems to have a dimple and a bulge around the foil arms as well. Looks like another intriguing AC75. Looking reasonably full in the bow, foil mounts look halfway between the very potruding AM and very recessed ETNZ, yup probably yet another different interpretation. Can't wait for the full reveal so we can see what the underside looks like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbenett 1 #1326 Posted October 2, 2019 Thank you for your remarks about us Italians. That's very kind of you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
minimumfuss 26 #1327 Posted October 2, 2019 You're far too polite. I'm sure he's rubbing one out looking at Jimmy with his shirt off. His sheep has a headache Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trucdesign 11 #1328 Posted October 2, 2019 http://www.sailingsardinia.it/eccola-4/?fbclid=IwAR0hVwAsWYR9i3e-Cat9EoJetJo775OzK7e5UUrcisrf5MBUnhR7dkBEexk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teaky 52 #1329 Posted October 2, 2019 Looks credible. Good to see they haven’t been fucking spiders this whole time. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 399 #1330 Posted October 2, 2019 Stealing the images direct from that link: So we have a Kiwi style "keel" to the hull and American Magic style bulbs on foils, (again for modification under the rules?) Does the forestay seem rather far back anyone else? 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 169 #1331 Posted October 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, JonRowe said: So we have a Kiwi style "keel" to the hull and American Magic style bulbs on foils, (again for modification under the rules?) Does the forestay seem rather far back anyone else? And the award for the craziest foil design yet goes to the italians, because why not.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobG 513 #1332 Posted October 2, 2019 35 minutes ago, Woolfy said: That doesn't make sense to me, surely you'd want the boat as light as possible? Sure, but every kg of paint (and filler) is a kg that can't be used for something else. 7 minutes ago, Lickindip said: Isnt there a rule about the type of finish/paint required. Standard 2 pot? Basically so the teams dont spend mega bucks on surface coating technology (sharkskin texture etc etc) 9.1 Except as permitted in Rules 9.5 and 9.6, the outermost layer of the hull, foils and rudder must be a commercial product approved by the Rules Committee according to Rule 8, who shall only approve paints that are comparable to those on the list provided in Rule 8.6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 169 #1333 Posted October 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, RobG said: Sure, but every kg of paint (and filler) is a kg that can't be used for something else. 9.1 Except as permitted in Rules 9.5 and 9.6, the outermost layer of the hull, foils and rudder must be a commercial product approved by the Rules Committee according to Rule 8, who shall only approve paints that are comparable to those on the list provided in Rule 8.6. I'm pretty sure the black is just plain carbon that's been given a matte finish, no need to paint it black if it's already black. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skippy505 11 #1334 Posted October 2, 2019 Very pretty boat. The Foils well.....I’m trying to like....but just can’t. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skippy505 11 #1335 Posted October 2, 2019 Thank you Trucdesign Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobG 513 #1336 Posted October 2, 2019 Each foil has to weigh close to 1,000 kg. Presumably LR has put most of that into the bulb, leaving them a lot more leeway on materials and design of the wings. It may also mean they can easily swap wings rather than the whole foil. There may also be benefits for cavitation, and at least one very knowledgeable and successful hydrofoil builder swears that bulbs are faster than T joints, all else being equal. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobG 513 #1337 Posted October 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, Raptorsailor said: I'm pretty sure the black is just plain carbon that's been given a matte finish, no need to paint it black if it's already black. Yes. But if you want something other than black (or "carbon grey")… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lakrass 101 #1338 Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 15 min left to start of live, 2h45 according to announcement. Don't quite get their timing but stay tune. Edited October 2, 2019 by Lakrass Timing correction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 399 #1339 Posted October 2, 2019 Launch is at 2 so assume 30 minutes of waffle before the christening, then speech with a bottle of fizz on the bow, then move waffle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lakrass 101 #1340 Posted October 2, 2019 57 minutes ago, JonRowe said: Italian is more like a daggerboard in the middle of rather flat bottom and Kiwi's boat has a "rounder" belly. Looks like 3 boats and 3 different designs to me. Waiting for more pics from the Italian. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buckdouger 134 #1341 Posted October 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, Lakrass said: Italian is more like a daggerboard in the middle of rather flat bottom and Kiwi's boat has a "rounder" belly. Looks like 3 boats and 3 different designs to me. Waiting for more pics from the Italian. The aggressive anhedral of the foils helps to open up the superposition region where cavitation may be an issue. The tips seem to compensate for this and maybe return some roll stability. The keel continues to just in front of the rudder. Doesn't look maneuverable in displacement mode.. wonder what the advantage is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tropical Madness 41 #1342 Posted October 2, 2019 18 minutes ago, JonRowe said: Launch is at 2 so assume 30 minutes of waffle before the christening, then speech with a bottle of fizz on the bow, then move waffle? This is italia... we maka you waita..relax.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky Craven 30 #1343 Posted October 2, 2019 Frazzled and late to start. We'll be seeing plenty more of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky Craven 30 #1344 Posted October 2, 2019 Sexy, sexy boat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Squirrel 66 #1345 Posted October 2, 2019 Looks good. MS 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 399 #1346 Posted October 2, 2019 Could just be the angle, but looks like a humpback whale! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WetHog 379 #1347 Posted October 2, 2019 The one thing you can count on from the Italians is their boats will look fantastic. Even with yellow foil arms and rudder. WetHog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Headed Warrior 59 #1348 Posted October 2, 2019 Its all in the attention to detail... Great to see they solved the breaking of the champagne on the bow making it easy for her! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky Craven 30 #1349 Posted October 2, 2019 Spithill's been doing a bang up job in the forklift and running stairs and props all over the joint. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Headed Warrior 59 #1350 Posted October 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Purple Headed Warrior said: Its all in the attention to detail... Great to see they solved the breaking of the champagne on the bow making it easy for her! I take it back... she nailed it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marinecs919 8 #1351 Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Purple Headed Warrior said: I take it back... she nailed it! She nailed the microphone pretty good a moment before, christ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lakrass 101 #1352 Posted October 2, 2019 No fellow anarchist on a boat in the background? In the crowd? Anywhere to get other angles than the one from live coverage? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 399 #1353 Posted October 2, 2019 Livestream all done, I have to say I think LR is the most "boat" looking of the 3 so far. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trucdesign 11 #1354 Posted October 2, 2019 From Farevela's fb page 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xlot 416 #1355 Posted October 2, 2019 Minor remark: apparently, Italy doesn’t share the US requirement that a painted flag should have the staff side toward the bow. So, on starboard the staff (green) segment is aft - had noticed that on a previous LR boat OTT, I see absolutely nothing that would jusify Max Sirena’s claim they delayed launching by one full month so that the competition wouldn’t copy them ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 523 #1356 Posted October 2, 2019 I see they have the torpedo foils. Could have delayed the launch after seeing the AM foils! They can only splash 6 foils and may have realized the NZ type foil was inferior? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tinga 9 #1357 Posted October 2, 2019 fences on foils. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theParadoxOfThrift 13 #1358 Posted October 2, 2019 Three super-high quality boats launched - amazing effort from these teams interpreting a new rule. ETNZ are an outlier in respect of their foil design. AM do not have the bustle - a more aero hull. It will be really interesting to se the next iteration of these boats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arneelof 6 #1359 Posted October 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, theParadoxOfThrift said: Three super-high quality boats launched - amazing effort from these teams interpreting a new rule. ETNZ are an outlier in respect of their foil design. AM do not have the bustle - a more aero hull. It will be really interesting to se the next iteration of these boats. I would find it even more interesting to see them sail against each others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winchfodder 59 #1360 Posted October 2, 2019 24 minutes ago, Herfy said: I see they have the torpedo foils. Could have delayed the launch after seeing the AM foils! They can only splash 6 foils and may have realized the NZ type foil was inferior? Torpedo not a foil. Can't see the point unless to add some lead ballast or as structural support for the foils. Do the Italian foils have less area than TNZ and AM. Seems to look like it. As for hull shape if the aim is to sail the majority or all the race flying, then the Italian hull looks like more drag. Also surprised that they are not using two different foil designs on either side. With the limit on the total number allowed seems a sensible choice by TNZ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoom 395 #1361 Posted October 2, 2019 *ahem* I'll just leave this here *hack splutter* I thought it might be more subtle but didn't pick a sharp ridge like that I feel that the idea of the central bulge must have been a concept that was shared one way or the other between TNZ & LR. Maybe from personnel changes or as part of exploring the shapes possible within proposed rules? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 652 #1362 Posted October 2, 2019 from https://www.sail-world.com/news/222696/Americas-Cup-Luna-Rossa-launch-first-AC75 The Challenger of Record for the 36th America's Cup, Luna Rossa Prada Pirelli has launched their first AC75 in Cagliari, Sardinia. The hull is a different design treatment than the first two launched by Emirates Team New Zealand and NYYC American Magic. The bow is reminiscent almost of an IACC yacht, with a very soft treatment, however about a third of the way back a crease starts in the hull which appears, from the video to develop into a bustle coming into a skeg-like structure in the centre of the transom, ending just ahead of the rudder. (contd) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.............. 117 #1363 Posted October 2, 2019 This will be a very interesting cycle. Like the first cycle of the IACC when we saw, "short skiffs" (TNZ), "heavy/long/narrow" (USA) and the "aircraft carrier" (ITA)..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 741 #1364 Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Herfy said: I see they have the torpedo foils. The work on the Italian bulbs seems much cleaner than that of Defiant's which looked rather rough. May be the Italians have greater skill here? Hard to see any sign of a movable flap on their foils. Are they permitted to rotate the entire wing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 1,652 #1365 Posted October 2, 2019 What's her name? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 652 #1366 Posted October 2, 2019 27 minutes ago, Rennmaus said: What's her name? Luna Rossa apparently. From a Gtran of https://www.gazzetta.it/vela/02-10-2019/coppa-america-varo-luna-rossa-tronchetti-tecnologia-tutta-italiana-3402972766132.shtml?refresh_ce-cp Punta Ala, Auckland, Cagliari: Luna Rossa number 8, in the fifth America's Cup of the Prada series goes into the water in the early afternoon of Cagliari in the presence of an impetuous Mistral. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 1,652 #1367 Posted October 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Luna Rossa apparently. From a Gtran of https://www.gazzetta.it/vela/02-10-2019/coppa-america-varo-luna-rossa-tronchetti-tecnologia-tutta-italiana-3402972766132.shtml?refresh_ce-cp Punta Ala, Auckland, Cagliari: Luna Rossa number 8, in the fifth America's Cup of the Prada series goes into the water in the early afternoon of Cagliari in the presence of an impetuous Mistral. Ah, o.k., thanks. LR8. Good for tradition Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tropical Madness 41 #1368 Posted October 2, 2019 Has to be fast... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 741 #1369 Posted October 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: From a Gtran of https://www.gazzetta.it/vela/02-10-2019/coppa-america-varo-luna-rossa-tronchetti-tecnologia-tutta-italiana-3402972766132.shtml?refresh_ce-cp we focused more on hydro-dynamism than on aspect of air performance ". Hydrodynamics - the motion of fluids and the forces acting on solid bodies immersed in fluids. Does this mean the Italians think the hull will be in the water more than the other teams? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 652 #1370 Posted October 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: we focused more on hydro-dynamism than on aspect of air performance ". Hydrodynamics - the motion of fluids and the forces acting on solid bodies immersed in fluids. Does this mean the Italians think the hull will be in the water more than the other teams? Yes, that caught my eye too, interesting. Another pic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
17mika 138 #1372 Posted October 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: we focused more on hydro-dynamism than on aspect of air performance ". Hydrodynamics - the motion of fluids and the forces acting on solid bodies immersed in fluids. Does this mean the Italians think the hull will be in the water more than the other teams? The way I read his comment in italian is that it is about minimizing drag at takeoff, but not sure. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 652 #1374 Posted October 2, 2019 Just now, 17mika said: The way I read his comment in italian is that it is about minimizing drag at takeoff, but not sure. Thanks, would make sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voiled 2 #1375 Posted October 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, Tropical Madness said: Has to be fast... That's more of a Flipper belly than the sharp Luna Rossa crease Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 741 #1376 Posted October 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, 17mika said: The way I read his comment in italian is that it is about minimizing drag at takeoff, but not sure. That would seem logical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2Newts 67 #1377 Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, DHFiend said: This will be a very interesting cycle. Like the first cycle of the IACC when we saw, "short skiffs" (TNZ), "heavy/long/narrow" (USA) and the "aircraft carrier" (ITA)..... Looks more like the shape of a tuna than a sardine. Flipper - Orca - Tuna - TBD* *(I still like Oil Spill, regardless of shape, for the frackers) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luminary 32 #1378 Posted October 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, 2Newts said: Flipper - Orca - Tuna - TBD* *(I still like Oil Spill, regardless of shape, for the frackers) Slick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~HHN92~ 123 #1379 Posted October 2, 2019 Looks like the bottom of a sport fishing boat... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbenett 1 #1380 Posted October 2, 2019 Is it just me, or the bottom of the boat seems far from being smooth? It looks sort of unfinished. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WetHog 379 #1381 Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Stingray~ said: Luna Rossa apparently. Its not Luna Rossa Pirelli? WetHog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WetHog 379 #1383 Posted October 2, 2019 Interesting curvature of the deck from bow to stern. But it passed its first test, it floats! WetHog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 523 #1384 Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Horn Rock said: The work on the Italian bulbs seems much cleaner than that of Defiant's which looked rather rough. May be the Italians have greater skill here? Hard to see any sign of a movable flap on their foils. Are they permitted to rotate the entire wing? Are you sure about that? The LR foil looks more like a couple of fins stuck onto a symmetrical bulb. The AM foils look to have a very intentional design that looks more like a bird in flight with flaps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WetHog 379 #1385 Posted October 2, 2019 What difference does it make what the foils look like now? These are just testing foils and the foils that matter won't be advertised, right? WetHog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 523 #1386 Posted October 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Is the boat tipping towards the camera, or is that just an optical illusion? It is interesting how the decks of the three boats are very similar, with the AM being just a bit more rounded on the edges. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 977 #1387 Posted October 2, 2019 3 hours ago, theParadoxOfThrift said: Three super-high quality boats launched - amazing effort from these teams interpreting a new rule. ETNZ are an outlier in respect of their foil design. AM do not have the bustle - a more aero hull. It will be really interesting to se the next iteration of these boats. AM are the outlier in terms of things that matter. They're starting to look like they've missed a trick with their hull design. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 523 #1388 Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, WetHog said: What difference does it make what the foils look like now? These are just testing foils and the foils that matter won't be advertised, right? WetHog they can only make 6 foils! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 523 #1389 Posted October 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said: AM are the outlier in terms of things that matter. They're starting to look like they've missed a trick with their hull design. Or they plan on it being out of the water more than the other teams. They could be the ones that figured out the trick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 652 #1390 Posted October 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, Herfy said: they can only make 6 foils! Which makes it interesting that LR launched with 2 identical foils, apparently and assuming they are real. Perhaps, since they like AM have torpedos, they can do a lot with fins because of how much weight is concentrated in them and could remain unmodified? edit: I see that was pointed out above already Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
