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Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

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2 hours ago, Xlot said:

 ^ We don't need no stinking furriner superstars ...

He’s a Laser champ but Francesco Marrai could be a hot prospect among the younger names in there.

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Is this a new Challenger in the wings?

From a Gtran of http://m.lanuovasardegna.it/sport/2017/12/05/news/adelasia-cerca-sponsor-ed-equipaggio-1.16205427

OLBIA. From San Pantaleo to Auckland. From regattas in the Mediterranean to the challenge whose only name makes the wrists of the last sailing enthusiast tremble: the America's Cup. Renato Azara, visionary entrepreneur from Gallura in the nautical sector, passionate about sailing and creator of Adelasia of Torres, the boat which bears the name of the last judging of Torres, announced the participation in the 2021 edition of the America's Cup. A long navigation, which could lead Azara to the most important challenge of Sardinian sailing history, with the island that would support its Luna Rossa boat. After the announcement the password is prudence. We only know that alongside the Azara there will be the now inseparable Duccio Colombi, an important name of Italian sailing, founder of Phi Number, structure that has been able to create in a few months a winning team with a strong Sardinian footprint Adelasia of Torres. His role will be fundamental for the construction of a crew suitable for a lifetime's business: Colombi has won 11 Italian championships in different sailing classes, two European championships and four world championships. All results achieved with non-professional crews. In 2012 he was also awarded by the Coni of the Gold Medal to athletic value. "We will participate in the America's Cup and the boat, all in carbon, will be built in Olbia - revealed Azara -. The consortium is ready and we are already putting together the sponsors. This is an open consortium, because around the project of Adelasia we hope to bring the whole of Sardinia. The revolutionary scope of this project, in fact, lies in the fact that we do not want a shipyard that builds our boat, but that the shipyard becomes a partner of this challenge ". The first challenge will obviously be to build a hull at the height of the America's Cup. Especially in light of the new rules approved last month by Emirates team New Zealand, the defender of the most prestigious and ancient sailing trophy in the world. The new boat, named AC75, will be a revolutionary monohull, 22.86 meters long, equipped with appendices over five meters long, which promise speed and performance in all wind and sea conditions. Abandoned the characteristic keel, the new racing boat exploits the technology of the foil, real blades immersed in water on the model of those mounted in hydrofoils, which allow you to rise and fly literally on the water, reducing friction to a minimum of the hull with the sea. The details with the technical specifications will only be released on March 31st of next year, but this sort of controlled leak of news has certainly centered the objective of stimulating curiosity and interest. 75 feet long, like the Moro di Venezia or Luna Rossa, the AC75 will represent the first goal to be cut for Renato Azara and his project. The new vision of a "visionary" skipper.

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Slightly more serious than Venice Challenge ...

Free association: the news release probably originates from generous imbibing of a local moonshine called Filu  'e Ferru - steel wire in the Sardinian dialect, it brings to mind the Kiwi famed Number 8 Wire. This was due to the fact that when not in use, the still was hidden by burying it - and a steel wire tied to it and led aboveground made for finding it back

 

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2 hours ago, Xlot said:

Slightly more serious than Venice Challenge ...

Free association: the news release probably originates from generous imbibing of a local moonshine called Filu  'e Ferru - steel wire in the Sardinian dialect, it brings to mind the Kiwi famed Number 8 Wire. This was due to the fact that when not in use, the still was hidden by burying it - and a steel wire tied to it and led aboveground made for finding it back

 

:D 

Is Filu  'e Ferru olive-based? I recently posted about a rumored Italian challenger above somewhere, also Sardinian, it may have been the same group of folks - IIRC one of them owned a boatload of olive groves.

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Olive-based hooch? :D:D  I don't remember you being a teetotaler, but still ... No, it's an eau de vie, grappa, grape spirit.

Edit: and yes, I think it's the same guy - owns a mini-maxi just imagine, part of the crew supplied by Phi Number which is an advanced sailing school in Milan ...

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Xlot said:

Olive-based hooch? :D:D  I don't remember you being a teetotaler, but still ... No, it's an eau de vie, grape spirit

Ha, okay that figures!

Still, same potential Challenger as rumored earlier or yet another? 

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FareVela video interviews Checco Bruni, in Nassau for the SSL: LR's sailing team to be all-Italian :)

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I guess this new potential Italian Challenge means no Latin Rascals?

WetHog  :ph34r:

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Mediterranean conditions today in Nassau, and predictably the two Italian boats shot up the leaderboard. Bruni, who had all of one day for training back into the Star, says he's still a bit rusty in non-apparent wind downwind tactics.

This makes me think that below take-off speed the AC75 is essentially a huge Star: if we're in luck and get light wind in 2021, Kiwis will be toast! :)

 

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By X-mas the LR project will be presented - not clear whether it'll be the training logistics (which one of two piers they'll move to, from Feb.) or the entire organization. Max correctly says priority now is to design, but no details. And it's fifty young sailors that will be involved!

 

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  ^ Freudian slip? Max said that, for an athlete, the Olympics are the Holy Grael :D Well, Torben's nearly Italian by adoption ...

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Thanks so much SR. An irrelevant fucking huge animated gif to make the page unreadable.

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On 12/1/2017 at 4:56 PM, Team_GBR said:

I know that the AC is a rich mans game, but this is totally crazy. 30 sailors? Even if it is for a fairly short time, people = money. I cannot believe that is the best way to rebuild the AC and I cannot believe it is the best way to encourage people to enter.

Yeah? How would you word the rule against it?

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9 hours ago, dogwatch said:

Thanks so much SR. An irrelevant fucking huge animated gif to make the page unreadable.

Oops, looked fine by phone. Hidden now.

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  ^ :( Liked it, John Oliver and the huge reset button. Guess you can't please hm all

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12 minutes ago, Xlot said:

  ^ :( Liked it, John Oliver and the huge reset button. Guess you can't please hm all

That dang Reset button gets a lot of people into trouble.

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On 30/11/2017 at 10:39 PM, Xlot said:

From FareVela: Bertelli recently held a meeting in Milan, introducing the AC75 concept to "potentially interested" Italian owners. Attendees, among others, were our old acquaintance Vincenzo Onorato, Roberto Lacorte (pharma, 62' mini-maxi SuperNikka, raced an LMP2 car at Le Mans), Pierluigi Loro Piana (luxury cloth / fashion line family brand recently sold to LVMH, Forbes lists him at $1.46B, 130' My Song by Reichel Pugh / Baltic Yachts) ...

It would appear Roberto Lacorte did send out a declaration of interest. From an interview on saily.it, early Dec:

"Roberto Lacorte (owner of SuperNikka and president of the Yacht Club Repubblica Marinara di Pisa) - I state that I am limited by confidentiality constraints, as with my brother we have expressed an interest in presenting a possible challenge for the next Cup"

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^ The more Italians the better!

ps: Just now confirmed flights and an apartment on Campo de' Fiori for the first half of April. Hope to catch up with you again, X.

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"Expressed an interest" we already knew. Have they written a $1M cheque?

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ok guys, lets be real here

luna rossa's gonna get fucked by any team already established

the only way they'll get into the cup match is if

1. no ac35 teams except BAR enter and then BAR goes full retard again or

2. if ETNZ carry them there on their back like AC34

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On 9/1/2018 at 6:37 AM, dogwatch said:

"Expressed an interest" we already knew. Have they written a $1M cheque?

We should know soon enough. At least the brothers aren't obvious carpetbaggers like Venezia Challenge and GreenComm of yore, an 80M€ budget (Cammas dixit) might be within their reach

As a wild hypothesis, both the Lacortes and Bertelli are Tuscans: could they become LR's SBTJ?

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On 1/8/2018 at 3:42 PM, ~Stingray~ said:

^ The more Italians the better!

I wonder if the increased amount of Italian interest is a hedge on the Cup defense being held in Italy and will decrease if the defense is kept in Kiwi-land.

WetHog  :ph34r:

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Nice conspiracy theory there ^ you boys stick with it....

Hope there a team you can in good conscience support this time WH?

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2 hours ago, WetHog said:

I wonder if the increased amount of Italian interest is a hedge on the Cup defense being held in Italy and will decrease if the defense is kept in Kiwi-land.

WetHog  :ph34r:

Not at all - nobody but nobody in Italy is speculating on the possibility

 

Now - Nick Holroyd joins BAR. Who's going to be LR's Chief Designer, for crying out loud?

 

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1 hour ago, Xlot said:

Now - Nick Holroyd joins BAR. Who's going to be LR's Chief Designer, for crying out loud?

Don't know either but here are some possible re-signings. Posted June '14

 

And from around that time http://www.repubblica.it/sport/vela/2014/06/12/news/luna_rossa_2017_ci_riprova_cosi_-88764415/

Design Team
Stefano Beltrando, Gwenole Bernard, Francesco Binetti Pozzi, Will Brooks, Mario Caponnetto, Horatio Nicolas Carabelli Mari, Adolfo Carrau, Yves Courvoisier, Martin Fischer, Paul Flett, Alessandro Franceschetti, Thomas Gaveriaux, Denis Glehenm Francis Hueber, Peter Lawson, Giovanni Mascetti, David Moyon, Matteo Olivieri, Pablo Perez del Castillo, Paolo Periotto, Giorgio Provinciali, Michael Richelsen, Michele Stroligo, Davide Tagliapietra, Andrea Vergomello.

 

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4 hours ago, WetHog said:

I wonder if the increased amount of Italian interest is a hedge on the Cup defense being held in Italy and will decrease if the defense is kept in Kiwi-land.

WetHog  :ph34r:

Jesus Christ mate.....

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Design Team
Stefano Beltrando, Gwenole Bernard, Francesco Binetti Pozzi, Will Brooks, Mario Caponnetto, Horatio Nicolas Carabelli Mari, Adolfo Carrau, Yves Courvoisier, Martin Fischer, Paul Flett, Alessandro Franceschetti, Thomas Gaveriaux, Denis Glehenm Francis Hueber, Peter Lawson, Giovanni Mascetti, David Moyon, Matteo Olivieri, Pablo Perez del Castillo, Paolo Periotto, Giorgio Provinciali, Michael Richelsen, Michele Stroligo, Davide Tagliapietra, Andrea Vergomello.

 

Thanks for that, SR. Now, those I know:

- Francesco Binetti Pozzi, mentioned him just yesterday, he's a superb hydraulics/mechanical engineer. But he's likely to be "wasted" on the foil actuator common design

- Giorgio Provinciali, excellent VPP specialist

- Mario Caponnetto needs no introduction, CFD, back from BAR I suppose

- Martin Fischer, Emmett Brown lookalike, just "debauched" from GTF, can be a genius with foils. But I'm not forgetting his Mayfly A-Cat and first GC32 holes-in-the-water either

Point is, at that time Marcelino Botín was also there. And while he wouldn't be my first choice as AC75 Chief Designer, who else is left?

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2 hours ago, Xlot said:

Not at all - nobody but nobody in Italy is speculating on the possibility

Why not?  The last time more than 2 challenges came from Italy was AC32, well +39 was 1/2 a challenge wasn't it(?), and AC32 was held in Valencia.  Not far from Italy.  

Now there are 3 possible Italian challenges again and the possibility of AC36 being held in Italian waters isn't a factor?  Not even a little?  

1 hour ago, rh2600 said:

Jesus Christ mate.....

Has the venue situation in Auckland been resolved and I missed it?  Until it is, and Italian challenges keep popping up, it seems reasonable to speculate.  Especially when the unimaginable that is ETNZ defending anywhere but New Zealand remains a possibility.  

WetHog  :ph34r:

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has this second Italian team actually challenged yet?

or is it still just talk and likely?

same with the american challenger?

has anyone challenged for it yet?

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Ah yeah actually an Italian team challenged a few months back - nothing heard since, as they are all enjoying the beach ATM

Check the Protocol if unclear....

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18 hours ago, MR PLOW 270 said:

has this second Italian team actually challenged yet?

or is it still just talk and likely?

same with the american challenger?

has anyone challenged for it yet?

The only hot-air "intention to challenge" is wafting from across the Tasman...

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O sh*t, just now realized that to keep life good Indio and ro! need re-plonking, what with having a fresh handle..

yay, fixed!

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26 minutes ago, Stingray~~ said:

O sh*t, just now realized that to keep life good Indio and ro! need re-plonking, what with having a fresh handle..

yay, fixed!

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Spinbots achieved the lifetime achievement award for 50,000 posts in AC anarchy...25k cut and paste ear piss....25k total bollocks..

And to think I thought after all his bullshit about an AC monohull with lead, he would fuck off and start world super league of the world anarchy, because the AC is now mostly full of guys he has slagged off over the years...GD, all kiwis, PB, Max and team luna rossa, angry Ben, sir Keef,and most Brits....and all his heros who he has gushed over the years .... lazza, russ, te and ginge have all taken a powder...

and despite professing to have me on iggy, I know you are reading this...Plonker..

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On 1/10/2018 at 7:40 PM, MR PLOW 270 said:

has this second Italian team actually challenged yet?

or is it still just talk and likely?

same with the american challenger?

has anyone challenged for it yet?

I wish they would accept Challenges only from a country more like Norway..

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11 hours ago, Stingray~~ said:

I wish they would accept Challenges only from a country more like Norway..

Ever tried sailing in Norway in winter SR? - its a shithole!

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16 hours ago, Stingray~~ said:

I wish they would accept Challenges only from a country more like Norway..

Why, are you in favour of government-subsided slaughter of Minke whales?

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^ It was intended as humor (Trump..)

at https://www.pradagroup.com/en/news-media/news-section/luna-rossa-cagliari.html

Yesterday the Luna Rossa team began its preparations for the 36th America’s Cup at its new permanent base in the waters of Cagliari last week, with a TP52 class monohull, one of the highest-performance and most demanding racing yachts, which it will use for the 2018 52 Super Series.

The first boat in the new AC75 class of monohulls, to be used for the 36th America’s Cup (see Prada Group Journal no. 17), will be launched in Spring 2019, and the team will move to New Zealand in autumn 2020 for their final preparations for the competition.

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1 hour ago, Stingray~~ said:

  ... the team will move to New Zealand in autumn 2020 for their final preparations for the competition.

That late? I thought it would be one full year earlier

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^ Rubbish PR.

Autumn where they are coming from or Autumn where they are moving to?

How hard is it to state the month...duh!

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  ^ I think we can take it for granted they refer to the Northern Hemisphere seasons, with prelininary races during both summers.

if this is confirmed, does it affect the AKL bases financial viability?

 

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8 minutes ago, Xlot said:

  ^ I think we can take it for granted they refer to the Northern Hemisphere seasons, with prelininary races during both summers.

Agreed, northern hemisphere, to arrive around 2 months before the ‘Christmas Cup’ in Dec ‘20.

There was a news item, posted above somewhere, that said the base deal in Cagliari was to be for 3 1/2 years - suggesting they will have a big and lasting presence there. Being in charge of organizing the ACWS, Bertelli will likely favor Med locations until late ‘20.

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22 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

^ I am sure Bertelli will not chose any shithole venues for training.

:D

Back in the Clean interview GD spoke about taking a new approach to ACWS venues by having Challs pay for them, thereby going to nice sailing venues during good conditions instead of (the cheaper) off-season, and he said P$B was very keen about it. He cited Monaco and some other Med venue as possibilities. My guess is that Cagliari, or northern Sardinia, will be another.

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14 minutes ago, Stingray~~ said:

:D

Back in the Clean interview GD spoke about taking a new approach to ACWS venues by having Challs pay for them, thereby going to nice sailing venues during good conditions instead of (the cheaper) off-season, and he said P$B was very keen about it. He cited Monaco and some other Med venue as possibilities. My guess is that Cagliari, or northern Sardinia, will be another.

Surely the other Challs will want a round - at least BAR will want one in the Solent and NYYC one in Newport. This IS the America's Cup!

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10 minutes ago, Stingray~~ said:

:D

Back in the Clean interview GD spoke about taking a new approach to ACWS venues by having Challs pay for them, thereby going to nice sailing venues during good conditions instead of (the cheaper) off-season, and he said P$B was very keen about it. He cited Monaco and some other Med venue as possibilities. My guess is that Cagliari, or northern Sardinia, will be another.

I wonder why they are asking competitors to pay the venue while it is the contrary, cities pay for attracting events. Or does he have any secret deal with a city like Cagliari with commission on both the city and what they get ?  Far fetched perhaps, but strange to see that. It's not the F1 but competitors should on the contrary receive their share of the possible benefits.

IIRC, there was only one supervisor of the SFBOS asking Larry for money for AC34, why is P$B coming back with this strange request ?

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10 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

I wonder why they are asking competitors to pay the venue while it is the contrary, cities pay for attracting events. Or does he have any secret deal with a city like Cagliari with commission on both the city and what they get ?  Far fetched perhaps, but strange to see that. It's not the F1 but competitors should on the contrary receive their share of the possible benefits.

IIRC, there was only one supervisor of the SFBOS asking Larry for money for AC34, why is P$B coming back with this strange request ?

GD seemed to imply that cities would only pay for events in the off season, since during the best times of the year their hotels get booked out anyway. 

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13 minutes ago, mariantic said:

Surely the other Challs will want a round - at least BAR will want one in the Solent and NYYC one in Newport. This IS the America's Cup!

GD did mention Newport.

BA was asked about Portsmouth but I don’t recall his exact response; something like “we’d like that but it’s not up to us.”

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28 minutes ago, Stingray~~ said:

GD seemed to imply that cities would only pay for events in the off season, since during the best times of the year their hotels get booked out anyway. 

Cities pay for the GP whatever the season and how much their hotels are booked,  but.......it's F1.

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10 hours ago, Stingray~~ said:

BA was asked about Portsmouth but I don’t recall his exact response; something like “we’d like that but it’s not up to us.”

It was more negative than that. https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/business/city-unlikely-to-see-america-s-cup-regatta-next-time-round-1-8305716

BA: ‘The previous World Series events here were a huge success, but currently it is my understanding that it is not the intention of the challenger of record or defender to come to Portsmouth. ‘It is something we will keep consulting with them on. ‘Obviously from our perspective we would love to have an event here, but unfortunately it’s not our decision.
and

Councillor Linda Symes, Portsmouth City Council’s lead member for culture, leisure and sport, said it would be ‘a shame’ if Portsmouth did not host a regatta during the next World Series. She added: ‘I think Ben Ainslie is right to say what he said. I would be very surprised if we were to have any World Series events like that in the near future.

 

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23 hours ago, Xlot said:

That late? I thought it would be one full year earlier

Similar here: https://www.pressmare.it/it/comunicazione/press-mare/2018-01-14/luna-rossa-al-via-allenamenti-cagliari-per-coppa-america-36-11775

Gtran: The training will continue in Cagliari until fall of 2020, when hulls and crew will be transferred to New Zealand for their final preparation for the competition, in the home of the Defender of the next America's Cup, the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron that regatta with Emirates Team New Zealand.

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^ Taking this opportunity to rebut some damp porcine conspiracy theories: if you read the piece there's not the slightest hint of an alternative AC venue, to the contrary AKL is taken for granted (I know, cunning Sardinians ...)

 

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14 minutes ago, Xlot said:

^ Taking this opportunity to rebut some damp porcine conspiracy theories: if you read the piece there's not the slightest hint of an alternative AC venue, to the contrary AKL is taken for granted (I know, cunning Sardinians ...)

Agreed, there’s been no talk in Italian press about any possibility of hosting AC36.

But for whatever reasons the argument is being wielded in NZ, even today:

"It's not guaranteed to be in New Zealand," Parker said.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11975040

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That sounds pretty good actually. A consent in the works, a second option being investigated. Looks like Auckland would be more than happy to see Wellington expedite the removal of the tanks and restoration of the point - if they can be bothered. Fair enough.

If there is only going to be practice leading up to the Xmas regatta and then on to the CSS (as per LR) and the Match then there is not that much pressure anyway.

Of course ETNZ will set up earlier and there is nothing to say other Challengers (assuming there are some) will not also want to train on the course.

But they can only do that if their boat is not on a ship somewhere between Prada events.......so how much action and "tenancy" can Auckland really expect, given the various restrictions in the Protocol?

Maybe ETNZ sees most of the normal hoopla as simple distraction that makes it less likely they will be able to defend, but if it all becomes super minimalistic even if they were to successfully defend, apart from their own jobs will other hoped for/promised/realised in the past, benefits actually accrue?

 

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^ You’d think ETNZ are keen to get their own base built ASAP, regardless the arrival periods of other teams.

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12 hours ago, Stingray~~ said:

But for whatever reasons the argument is being wielded in NZ, even today:

 

I once had a manager who called this the "close the children's ward" ploy i.e. win an increased budget by threatening the unthinkable. That's all this is about, it's not going to be in Sardinia or Sochi or Abu Dhabi.

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37 minutes ago, dogwatch said:

I once had a manager who called this the "close the children's ward" ploy i.e. win an increased budget by threatening the unthinkable. That's all this is about, it's not going to be in Sardinia or Sochi or Abu Dhabi.

Around here it's called the "spinbot keep myself relevant" ploy...

 

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La prima uscita ufficiale…

http://www.sailingsardinia.it/la-prima-uscita-ufficiale/

A Marina di Capitana, in concomitanza con la prima giornata del 2018 del locale Campionato Invernale, è comparsa questa bella imbarcazione con a bordo alcuni personaggi noti nel mondo della vela. Max Sirena dirigeva le danze, Checco Bruni guidava, Vasco Vascotto (ben arrivato a Cagliari!) dava indicazioni, Pietro Sibello sembrava manovrare la randa. A bordo poi tanti altri velisti italiani di grande livello tra cui il laserista Francesco Marrai e Jacopo Plazzi (49er). Questa presenza all’Invernale di Capitana sembra quasi un saluto, da parte del fortissimo team, ai velisti cagliaritani

(pics)

 

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  ^ Old Quantum TP52, chartered until Persico completes the new boat

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On 1/8/2018 at 12:33 PM, Xlot said:

It would appear Roberto Lacorte did send out a declaration of interest. From an interview on saily.it, early Dec:

"Roberto Lacorte (owner of SuperNikka and president of the Yacht Club Repubblica Marinara di Pisa) - I state that I am limited by confidentiality constraints, as with my brother we have expressed an interest in presenting a possible challenge for the next Cup"

Interesting post by LaCorte here

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1929430703940575&id=1464071743809809

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  ^ Great find SR! And it's Euros mind you, they're playing hardball :D

Edit: upon closer reading, it's "just" 65M€

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9 minutes ago, Xlot said:

Edit: upon closer reading, it's "just" 65M€

True. Nice launch point though, since this only includes Prada and additional funding sources are possible.

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It doen't include Prada's sponsorship of the AC though

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Those shoes look familiar:

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14 minutes ago, Xlot said:

 

That's vintage SR - kudos! In a matter of 3 hrs bounced from SA to FareVela to La Stampa!

Cheers 

at https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/100804827/italian-americas-cup-challengers-luna-rossa-confirm-109m-sponsorship

The huge sponsorship confirms the level of intent from the Italians who are the challenger of record, working alongside America's Cup holders Emirates Team New Zealand to shape the 36th edition of the regatta.

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52 minutes ago, Stingray~~ said:

from that one,

It’s a bit frightening that this pile of cash isn’t nearly enough to win the next Cup, but it’s a hell of a head start for what most assume to be the biggest threat to New Zealand’s dreams of a decade of cup supremacy.  Note that this sum does NOT include Prada’s sponsorship of the America’s Cup or the Prada Challenger Series…so well over $100M all-in from the luxury design house…

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16 hours ago, Xlot said:

Edit: upon closer reading, it's "just" 65M€

Interesting to see that they give the equivalent in HK$, I guess it is directed at a specific group which should receive the information. Is part of the financing coming from China? I doubt it is to inform the children making the shoes...

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  ^ No, this is to inform the Chinese investors who own AFAIK 20% of Prada shares. Chinese labor is too expensive, most goods are now made in Transnistria - googling for it doesn't count :)

 

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at http://www.lunarossachallenge.com/en/news/220_XXXVI-AMERICA-S-CUP-VASCO-VASCOTTO-JOINS-TEAM-LUNA-ROSSA

The Italian sailor Vasco Vascotto – winner in different classes of 25 World, 15 European and 25 National titles – joined team Luna Rossa and the crew who will sail the 2018 TP 52’ Super Series. On the TP 52’ Luna Rossa Vascotto will partner as tactician with helmsman Francesco Bruni. Both Bruni and Vascotto are already in Cagliari, together with the team, to participate in the training and observation sessions of over 40 young sailors from all over Italy, selected as possible future crew members. This project aims to widen the team’s scope of action by involving the most qualified and promising Italian young racing sailors in Luna Rossa’s preparation to the 36th America’s Cup.

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  ^ Displacement guy - might be of use on the AC75 only if it turns out it can't fly ...

 

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  ^ Pietro Sibello is 38 and, together with his brother, formed a 49er top-level crew that barely missed a medal in 2008. Unfortunately, he was grounded by some sort of sickness that introduced a risk factor the Sailing Federation had not the balls to accept.

Jacopo Plazzi - and Francesco Marrai: showing my age as well as Italy's tradition of familism, I actually met their fathers, Matteo Plazzi being a long time LR member and Antonio Marrai LR's logistics manager. Francesco is a competent Laser sailor, while Jacopo sails a 49er but is really too young

 

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Interesting, thanks.

Meanwhile, at https://i.stuff.co.nz/nz-newspapers/central-north-island/sport/sport-region-6459/100831030/Luna-Rossa-hire-ace-tactician-Vasco-Vascotto-in-major-move-for-Americas-Cup

The switch to monohulls plays into the hands of sailors like Vascotto, who is an afterguard specialist and will work alongside Luna Rossa's helmsman Francesco Bruni.

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I wonder where Carsten came up with this number.

From Gtran :

Luna Rossa is not about saving

When choosing the radical, futuristic design of the new Cupper, it was obviously not about saving, and the recent news from the Luna Rossa camp does not point in that direction either.

Apparently, the war chest is initially filled with 80 million US dollars. This is evident from figures published by Bertelli's fashion company Prada to stock market media. By nature, Prada is the main sponsor of the Luna Rossa team. Sailing expenses include another $ 30 million to sponsor the event. That should be enough for a proper start. When things get tight, Bertelli always has the opportunity to strain his private casket.

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On 24/01/2018 at 5:30 AM, Stingray~~ said:

The switch to monohulls plays into the hands of sailors like Vascotto,

Complete rubbish. The new boat is nothing like a conventional monohull and needs the same skills as the previous foiling boats. Forget the mono vs multi discussion. This is foiling vs displacement, apparent wind forward vs true wind direction, etc etc. Being good in TP52's has nothing to do with being good in these boats.

The Italians got screwed by ETNZ (and I love it). They tried to drag the AC backwards to displacement, true wind sailing. The boat ETNZ has come up with couldn't be further away from what the Italians wanted if they tried. There are stories that the Italians are privately fuming but realise there is nothing they can do or say publicly.  

 

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^ Agreed, it’s a tri/cat foiler but now without the floats.

The leeward lift will be intense and will greatly vary with speed, I think windward capsizes could be scary.

Cazy but.. Cool!

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Just now, Stingray~~ said:

^ Agreed, it’s a tri/cat foiler but now without the floats.

The leeward lift will be intense and will greatly vary with speed, I think windward capsizes could be scary.

Cazy but.. Cool!

i'd say that the cat sailors from last cup cycle would have a massive advantage over any monohull skipper

 

although i guess they have 4 years to catch up, Burling did alright against AC34 skippers

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2 hours ago, Team_GBR said:

Complete rubbish. The new boat is nothing like a conventional monohull and needs the same skills as the previous foiling boats. Forget the mono vs multi discussion. This is foiling vs displacement, apparent wind forward vs true wind direction, etc etc. Being good in TP52's has nothing to do with being good in these boats.

The Italians got screwed by ETNZ (and I love it). They tried to drag the AC backwards to displacement, true wind sailing. The boat ETNZ has come up with couldn't be further away from what the Italians wanted if they tried. There are stories that the Italians are privately fuming but realise there is nothing they can do or say publicly.  

 

 I agree with your first paragraph but not so much this "The Italians got screwed by ETNZ (and I love it)." If Luna Rossa did not like the way things turned out they are quite able to say so and even withdraw from the contest.

I think that the AC75 has self righting in common with traditional monos and this separates them from multihulls and is probably why it was accepted. 

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