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From floater: 

have we seen the last of bikes on boats

have we seen the last of Chicago as Grand Prix racing venue

 

And my tuppence:

What benefit was there to the sport in gagging the teams, and will the next AC be more open? 

What did ETNZ learn from the SA AC threads?

Please beg for 360 degree cameras for all boats, all races, live, and free. Bring the fans aboard!!

What did ETNZ see on any of the other boats that they copied or liked?

What classes (dinghy/boats/etc) does he see as feeding sailors towards the AC - particularly in terms of technology, as well as skills

When ACPI is transferred, will the AC35 footage be dropped onto YouTube a la AC34's coverage?

 

 

Please beg for 360 degree cameras for all boats, all races, live, and free. Bring the fans aboard!!

What did ETNZ see on any of the other boats that they copied or liked?

What classes (dinghy/boats/etc) does he see as feeding sailors towards the AC - particularly in terms of technology, as well as skills

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If you dislike billionaire backed syndicate teams and want to block them with a nationality rule, why jump into bed with Patrizio Bertelli? 

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ETNZ benefitted from funding, hardware, design knowlage etc from the new CoR during AC35 and key Luna Rossa staff where on the team. How is the reseparation of the 2 teams going to work?

If there was financial backing for another NZ skipper, would RNZYS hold a selection series as was traditional?

As CEO of a team what input do you have into the decision making of the defending club?

In terms of having nationally representative teams, how important is it how those teams are funded?

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Only one question.  What boats for the next one.  

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Were you sandbagging in the LV challenger races against OTUSA

What was the boats top speed in training? (I recall reading they had broken 50)

what happens with the AC45's and that roadshow? Does it go with the cup?

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What's your broadcast vision for AC36?  Partner with content platform (e.g. Youtube, Facebook) to create free-to-air global reach, or traditional pay-to-play broadcasting rights?

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Well done hunter.  Keep 'em coming.

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Is there enough benefit in continuity to have AC36 in 2.5 years (~Feb 2020) versus the benefits (more design and planning time) that would come with a 3.5 year gap?

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Are wings more expensive than sails over a full cup cycle.

What is your guess at the overall financial cost to ETNZ of:

1/ the loss of the Auckland leg of the ACWS (more or less than 5 million),

2/ move from mainland USA to Bermuda (more or less than 10 million)

3/ change to AC50 from AC62 (more or less than 5 million)

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can the foiling genie be put back in the box?

how do you unify or integrate the AC with the likes of the Vendee or VOR?

wouldgoing back to monohull mean that ETNZ will not be Able to build on its current fleet leading IP

is there room for fleet racing?

how many challengers are you aiming for - and how about a defender series

one design elements v box rule v making a base package available to all comers?

given leading 49er fx sailors can you envisage female helms and crew?

 

 

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Now that the cup is ETNZ's and there's no gagging order tell us once and for all: did Oracle cheat in 2013?

If so, how - anything you know that we may not have heard?

Was it ever discussed frankly with Oracle afterwards?

 

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Please explain the auto pilot, and what it controlled and when.

 

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Would deferring any challenge and defense of the America's Cup for five years encourage professional sailors to secure year-round employment by participating in regularly scheduled competitions?  Would the unique history of the Cup competition be enhanced by making the competition separate from the world-wide regattas sailors count on for annual income?

Would the marketing advantage that invites hyperbole - "the best sailors in the fastest boats" - by compromised by professional sailors supporting themselves and their families through means other than competing for the Cup?  Suppose the answer is 'No.'  A number of professional sailors do not depend on the Cup competition.  Setting hyperbole aside, would requiring the nationalities of the competing sailors match that of the country the yacht club they represent visibly diminish the quality of a Cup competition?

Every country represents its sailors as the best in the world.  Unqualified and, perhaps, unthinking pride are manifest in a harmless appeal to nationalism.  Does this representation pale in effect to the same words, stated this time as part of a marketing strategy?  Who really has claim to say, "These are the best sailors in the fastest boats?"   And why are we to cede to marketers all claim to an annoying misrepresentation when America's crew doesn't include any of us?   What are we to say about this?

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The organising authority took a world series regatta away from Auckland, you lost your government funding.  Then what happened?

How much effect did the changing of the protocols have on your development programme?

 

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7 hours ago, Alpina said:

If you dislike billionaire backed syndicate teams and want to block them with a nationality rule, why jump into bed with Patrizio Bertelli? 

Fuck off tosspot!!

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4 hours ago, bob202 said:

Now that the cup is ETNZ's and there's no gagging order tell us once and for all: did Oracle cheat in 2013?

If so, how - anything you know that we may not have heard?

Was it ever discussed frankly with Oracle afterwards?

 

I've told you how they did it. And it's water under the bridge now as far as Dalton is concerned.

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Would this campaign have been successful if there was no gag rule in place (I.e. Would GD have been able to bite his tounge had it not been?)

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Do you have any good inspiring or humorous anecdote from the "good" old days, like eg the whitbreads in the 80's

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VOR has been quite proactive about getting women into the sport. Is this something you're looking into also? If yes, how would you implement it. 

 

 

 

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The Americas Cup has evolved such that for any shared vision of its future to be sustainable, it is in the interest of those sharing the vision to create rules minimizing the chances of an "outsider" team winning the cup.  Essentially the holder and cor are strongly incentivized to stack the deck in favor of a vision for the future they believe best for the sport.  Given ETNZ had to fight through and past that exact problem in this past cycle, what concrete actions will you take and how will you and the COR avoid this dilemma for future teams in the next cycle?

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Has any thought been put into have any of the lv or ac races held outside of Auckland?

Defender series?

How much sand bagging was going On?

Got any pics of your misses tits you can show us?

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Have you read Wess' contribution to this topic?  Read it again....

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1 hour ago, jonas a said:

VOR has been quite proactive about getting women into the sport. Is this something you're looking into also? If yes, how would you implement it. 

 

 

 

+1

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8 hours ago, 2Newts said:

Is there enough benefit in continuity to have AC36 in 2.5 years (~Feb 2020) versus the benefits (more design and planning time) that would come with a 3.5 year gap?

Add to this:

Does the timing of the 2020 Olympics dictate the planning?

Likewise, Vendee Globe and VOR, etc, or being a Southern Hemisphere location will be a benefit?

Would planning for a challenger series in December 2019, with a AC final in Jan 2020 work to get TV ratings due to traditional 'low time' alternative programming?

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Are there any other mildly interesting facts that he is free to share about the boat?  You know, like how the foils were slowly self-destructing!

How was the extra power from the cyclors utilized by the control systems designers?  And what aspect did they find had the most benefit?

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1 hour ago, scassani said:

Have you read Wess' contribution to this topic?  Read it again....

Yup and it will never work. Ever. There where 5 teams that did share the same vision and they all signed some kinda agreement. Then we came along didn't like the agreement and didn't sign it. We won so the agreement/vision of 5 other teams won't happen. There is only one way for a team/s to keep there vision for the cup alive and that is to win the americas cup. Lose it and you gotta play by the winners rules. Dont like it? Don't play or play to win and change the rules. Simple really.

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5 hours ago, Indio said:

I've told you how they did it. And it's water under the bridge now as far as Dalton is concerned.

I want to hear Dalton say it though - now that there's basically nothing OR can do about it in terms of ETNZ being gagged as cup entrants.

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Instituting a nationality rule and making sure that TV coverage is free-to air (for both the LV and AC) are a good start.  What else are you going to do to ensure the events go mainstream and capture the interest of wider audiences?

 

(yes, I know: "newbie show us your ....")

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1) How badly and in which part of the foil were the batwing foils damaged at the end of the cup?

2) Can you briefly explain wing and foil control interfaces used by Tuke and Ashby and if the computer suggested any settings?

3) Was the wing flapped or pumped during any of the races?

4) Did you have to go 100% against Oracle or did you keep some tricks unveiled?

5) Are you Bruce Willis' brother?

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In his opinion, what does a successful AC36 look like? Number of teams, close racing, viewer numbers etc.

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34 minutes ago, Ulairi said:

Instituting a nationality rule and making sure that TV coverage is free-to air (for both the LV and AC) are a good start.  What else are you going to do to ensure the events go mainstream and capture the interest of wider audiences?

 

(yes, I know: "newbie show us your ....")

Well, we're waiting.....

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i still only have one question.  
What boats for ac36

 

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who will ETNZ try to retain so that other teams do not get?

 

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Will the next America's Cup have any carry-over points bullshit?

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Ask him if he sees an opportunity to get an American team to Auckland?

Besides Larry doesn't he see this as important given the history?

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14 minutes ago, KoW said:

Will the next America's Cup have any carry-over points bullshit?

Fuck that's easy....No will be his answer, straight up every other fucker could see this was BS!!

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What other tricks did ETNZ have up its sleeve?

Could you explain how the relationship between the design team and the sailing team worked - and how Ashby and Burling, especially, contributed to the success of this relationship? 

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16 minutes ago, KoW said:

Will the next America's Cup have any carry-over points bullshit?

if there is acws or similar then it needs to be appealing.  maybe points into the qualifiers. but not into the playoffs or finals.  maybe?  i would have been pretty disappointed if the carryover was determinative in final match.  That should be even playing field.  

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1 minute ago, **ONTOIT** said:

Fuck that's easy....No will be his answer, straight up every other fucker could see this was BS!!

I fricken hope so.

If you look at the Round Robin points standings, but take away all the carry-over points, award a pt to Sweden for the "mistaken umpire call" in the ETNZ v Artemis race, and give the 2 wins that Oracle got over their subservient poodles to Japan, I think you get a much clearer picture of the *actual* relative merits of the teams (any sandbagging by ETNZ not withstanding):

Emirates Team New Zealand    7

Artemis Racing    6

ORACLE TEAM USA    6

SoftBank Team Japan    5

Land Rover BAR    4

Groupama Team France    2

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2 minutes ago, Qman said:

if there is acws or similar then it needs to be appealing.  maybe points into the qualifiers. but not into the playoffs or finals.  maybe?  i would have been pretty disappointed if the carryover was determinative in final match.  That should be even playing field.  

Make it appealing by making it compulsory. You missed an even? Ooops! You're outta the cup, no refund, no soup for you!

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Was the 'A' wing that got smashed in the capsize really effectively the same as the 'B' wing, or did it have some extra goodies in there?

Was Pete given coaching in how to say lots of words, but effectively say nothing, in the press conferences? Did he have a play book in terms of how to not engage in verbal sparring with Jimmy during the Press Conferences?

Prior to The Match, did you know you would have that much of a speed edge over OTUSA?

How immensely satisfying was it to get the the end of the first weekend 4-0 up and doing it pretty easily? I just want to see the look on his face :)

How much was Pete sand-bagging the starts up until the match?

Every boat I've ever seen Glenn sail on has always looked fast (whether it's going the same speed as other boats, 0.1kts faster, or 10kts faster, they always look fast). Grant's been around a lot of high performance sailors in his time, just how good does he thing Glenn is?

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New post (for themselves - http://sailinganarchy.com/2017/06/29/for-themselves/) has been published on Sailing Anarchy

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Whilst the final Cup presser was reasonably good (especially with Dalts taking the piss out of Russell @28:50), this set of live-recorded interviews with all the key figures from the ETNZ base has quite a bit more informWhilst the final Cup presser was reasonably good (especially with Dalts taking the piss out of Russell @28:50), this set of live-recorded interviews with all the key figures from the ETNZ base has quite a bit more information than that, and with a very fun backdrop.  Watch it all for the keys to their victory, their disintegrating daggerboard, and much more.ation than that, and with a very fun backdrop.  Watch it all for the keys to their victory, their disintegrating daggerboard, and much more.

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Why did you shave your moustache 

Will you consider growing it back for Movember 2017?

 

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Just encourage him to let rip as much as possible.  I want to know all the gory details that might have come out if not for the gag order!

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In which decade will your AC35 inspired from subside? No hurry, just curious.

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Will the AC36 class allow female crews to be competitive (ie eliminate need for elite level male strength and endurance)

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Spill the beans on the AC35 "Auckland Qualifiers". How much monetary compensation did ETNZ receive?

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Why does the defender need to be involved in the selection series for the challenger .. can't they organise it for them selves and allow the defender to concentrate on defending?

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1 hour ago, Nutta said:

In which decade will your AC35 inspired from subside? No hurry, just curious.

from=smile. I hate posting from phone.

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You bitched about the foil-change rules other teams went for. After your first two broke, did the rule you had voted against end up saving your ass? 

Without RC to point your finger in blame at any more for your next funding frustrations, who do you see as your next potential enemy-targets?

By what rules dictated might you be able to avoid paying AC35 Winners PB and GA very-big salaries for AC36?

 

 

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^ bitter much?

The post match humility and reconciliation didn't last long I see

Time for another three & 1/2 year holiday mate....

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16 hours ago, Terry Hollis said:

Why does the defender need to be involved in the selection series for the challenger .. can't they organise it for them selves and allow the defender to concentrate on defending?

Because the defender is the one whose economic success or failure hinges most on the success of the cup as a spectacle.

Get it right and sponsors and government will shower them with gold for the next defence (assuming that they retain the cup).

Get it wrong and not so much. 

Also youcan bet your bottom dollar that the ACWS will contribute to etnzs bottom line. If not directly then indirectly through sponsorship, etc.

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1 hour ago, nav said:

^ bitter much?

The post match humility and reconciliation didn't last long I see

Time for another three & 1/2 year holiday mate....

If you have more pertinent qustions to GD then why not try?

The personal-attack post of yours was utterly pointless to this thread. A non-idea space waster. 

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Q: was information coming off the boats available to all syndicates equally, or was information (such as the data on oil accumalators) available to ACEA only?

(note there is some confusion in my mind as to how RC knew about the early TNZ foil breakages)

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2 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

You bitched about the foil-change rules other teams went for. After your first two broke, did the rule you had voted against end up saving your ass? 

Without RC to point your finger in blame at any more for your next funding frustrations, who do you see as your next potential enemy-targets?

By what rules dictated might you be able to avoid paying AC35 Winners PB and GA very-big salaries for AC36?

 

 

The answer to the first question is simple... No. The protocol amendment ETNZ DID vote for, that allowed for teams to use test boards while they repaired race boards that had been damaged was made back in December 2015. ETNZ DID NOT vote for a DIFFERENT rule change allowing teams to build spare replacement race boards. Very different.

Do we think ETNZ will have the same funding frustrations now that they have achieved the goal? I think not. Russell Coutts no longer matters. ETNZ has proved they don't need Russell. Infact Russell needs ETNZ more than ETNZ needs Russell right now.

According to this Peter Burling is happy to keep sailing for new Zealand because he is proud of his country, and is looking at Tokyo 2020 for the NZ sailing team, and possibly the VOR.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/94290024/peter-burlings-future-plans-all-up-in-the-air-after-americas-cup-triumph-with-team-new-zealand

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Congrats Dalts on a stellar sailing career.

You have done and won it all so where to from here?

Can we expect to see a return to ETNZ participation in things like TP52s, VOR etc?

Is NZ Govt funding for ETNZ secure now that you have delivered them the Goose that lays the Golden Egg

Is Russell as big a cunt as most people seem to think he is?

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2 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

 my personal-attack posts are utterly pointless to this thread. I am a admitted non-idea space waster, and also recently FIRED by ggyc /evilsin

 

spinray thanks for your final confession ahole -  your now uncompensated / fired- -cash your check  &go away 

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Q, what is the juiciest bit of information re the whole show?

 

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4 hours ago, jaysper said:

Because the defender is the one whose economic success or failure hinges most on the success of the cup as a spectacle.

Get it right and sponsors and government will shower them with gold for the next defence (assuming that they retain the cup).

Get it wrong and not so much. 

Also youcan bet your bottom dollar that the ACWS will contribute to etnzs bottom line. If not directly then indirectly through sponsorship, etc.

The challenger series will be held anyway and will contribute to the overall spectacle .. the cost of the challenger series should be borne by the challengers and their sponsors .. the defender can concentrate their resources on the real AC to make sure they can be successful.

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On ‎30‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 6:47 AM, Indio said:

I've told you how they did it. And it's water under the bridge now as far as Dalton is concerned.

Hey Indio, where would I read your explaination? Cheers

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When is your book coming out.

PB kept saying how much faster the boats could go, was this just to fuck with Oracle or were you maxed out for speed.  

Will you please do a tour of NZ and not just parade down Queen Street.

How do you see ISAF involved at all. 

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Was your comment about ISAF in the presser your subtle way of expressing your opposition to the name change?  ....or are they so irrelevant to the AC that you were genuinely unaware that ISAF had become World Sailing two years ago?

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How close to the traditional use of the DoG are you looking to stay with? More classic AC up until 2003 or a hybrid of that, or something similar to the last fiasco for continuity purposes to ease organizing AC36?

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We're guessing that World Sailing co-operation would be needed for the teams to be nationally representative. Would that limit the entry to 1 team per country?

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we are waiting for the interview. dalts said he was flying the next day so i reckon this is a lovely thread of questions wo answers

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4 hours ago, barfy said:

we are waiting for the interview. dalts said he was flying the next day so i reckon this is a lovely thread of questions wo answers

Well, we have been here before.

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17 hours ago, Terry Hollis said:

The challenger series will be held anyway and will contribute to the overall spectacle .. the cost of the challenger series should be borne by the challengers and their sponsors .. the defender can concentrate their resources on the real AC to make sure they can be successful.

The cost of the challenger series is ALWAYS borne by challengers via entry fees plus sponsors. 

The financial benefits of the challenger series  (beyond exposure for team sponsors ) belong to the defender who can negotiate some serious arse concessions from the host city.

Just watch etnz screw auckland for a nice shiny new permanent base and the central government for a sweet sponsorship deal covering the next 2 cups. All this is possible ONLY because they control the event (including the challenger series).

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53 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Well, we have been here before.

Yep. Pretty fucking useless ain't he?

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30 minutes ago, jaysper said:

The cost of the challenger series is ALWAYS borne by challengers via entry fees plus sponsors. 

The financial benefits of the challenger series  (beyond exposure for team sponsors ) belong to the defender who can negotiate some serious arse concessions from the host city.

Just watch etnz screw auckland for a nice shiny new permanent base and the central government for a sweet sponsorship deal covering the next 2 cups. All this is possible ONLY because they control the event (including the challenger series).

ACWS-wise, it was nicer in AC35 how they left most everything to local entities at the venues. The 'show' simply provided the racing and TV technology, something I suppose they were compensated for but it was not the big ACEA-controlled event philosophy of AC34.

ETNZ rocked up late/last to both AC34 and AC35 venues. But since a factor in the economics case will be in how long potential Challengers will be based in Auckland, it'll be interesting to see if ETNZ's Protocol will afford those potential Challengers that same arrive-late freedom.

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7 hours ago, barfy said:

we are waiting for the interview. dalts said he was flying the next day so i reckon this is a lovely thread of questions wo answers

fwiw, June 22 (late into it) vs now

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Clean spent the past 7 years trashing everything about a subject that makes up almost a quarter of SA forum hit-counts. 

Then he tried to jump in on the last weekend of the Match, tried to inject himself, tried to pretend he had 'friends!' everywhere he looked, tried to take last-minute advantage.. 

Sadly, I honestly don't expect much of anything out of it that isn't both hypocritical and over-egotistical. If he did get GD talking well then +1 but it's unlikely to be anything GD has not already said.

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Need a cuddle Stingray? Almost everyone trashed the AC's mgmt for the last 7 years - and we all knew SA didn't want a bar of Coutt's unsporting approach.

Unless you're gonna front up yourself then be cheerful when someone else does anything at all and makes it available to you. For free. 

 

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20 minutes ago, HFC Hunter said:

Need a cuddle Stingray? 

Nope, I'm feeling all good. Clean is who has come off the fool again, which was the point that I made.

The FP severely trashed the AC subject we here followed, including with reach out attacks from subjects that were otherwise completely unrelated. Clean spent 7 years thoroughly disrespecting and deriding all of us who so closely follow current AC events, but tried to capitalize on it anyway. His sudden-interest hipocracy was self-serving and baldfacedly ridiculous.

Far better personalities had already had it well-covered, fortunately.

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Clean came off the fool? It's you who's howling into the internet here bro.  

You feel disrespected and derided? "Htfu!" "It's not Sailing Nicey-nice."

Other personalities did cover it well, but the contest was on the water not between the press. Many weren't free to air globally until pirate feeds or delayed releases made it out - so I certainly appreciated Clean and Sailor Chick's efforts for us.

You're better than bitching about Clean. If you don't like his style then offer yourself to Scott as a formal SA AC reporter and get some live feeding and interviews for AC36 rolling.

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Gift horse and all that ... we should all be grateful for this place, and for Clean's efforts to dig up more juicy stuff on our favorite subject - god knows the people running the event didn't go out of their way to inform us.

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13 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

ACWS-wise, it was nicer in AC35 how they left most everything to local entities at the venues. The 'show' simply provided the racing and TV technology, something I suppose they were compensated for but it was not the big ACEA-controlled event philosophy of AC34.

ETNZ rocked up late/last to both AC34 and AC35 venues. But since a factor in the economics case will be in how long potential Challengers will be based in Auckland, it'll be interesting to see if ETNZ's Protocol will afford those potential Challengers that same arrive-late freedom.

"suppose"; you think BDA perhaps compensated the show? Really.

"interesting...afford...freedom" really? after reneging on the show in auckland a calculated ploy by Sir Wussel that worked surprisingly well to shaft ETNZ, they had no choice but to finish building and doing prelim tests in Auckland. 

It will be interesting when ETNZ divulges how much ACDUH afforded them for restricting their freedom to fairly bid for the playoffs under the terms of the OR/Auz protocol.

Spinning hard again.

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.or are they so irrelevant to the AC that you were genuinely unaware that ISAF had become World Sailing two years ago?

For ourselves we still sometimes call them IYRU if we aren't paying proper attention :o

 

Q: Did you understand why OR were in the heavy, extra righting moment, minimal attempt at aero corner of the rule?

Q: Is it true ETNZ sent a video of a 100% fly to OR while still in Auckland? Were you surprised at the relatively few 100% races?

Q: Will you require some kind of Guarantee from Challengers not to try to impose Ernie-vision/Larry-vision/Russ-vision on the AC again?

Q: Will you please retain Genny Tulloch & give her a proper technical commentary job that she deserves instead of the gigglytits-with-a-mike she's had the last two cups?

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Q: Did Orifice actually make an attempt to get a CIC ban on part/s of the ETNZ system?

Q: Did ETNZ detect anything untoward being done on Orifice? (or others, there was a rumor Artemis lost some of their control system in pre-racing Measurement)

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What were the unsung innovations that we don't about that truelly made a difference onboard during the campaign, and how did they work?

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4 hours ago, Raptorsailor said:

What were the unsung innovations that we don't about that truelly made a difference onboard during the campaign, and how did they work?

If the next class is similar to ac50 I would be surprised if secrets will be divulged.

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14 hours ago, KoW said:

If the next class is similar to ac50 I would be surprised if secrets will be divulged.

Shame...

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On 1.7.2017 at 10:09 PM, Sailbydate said:

Well, we have been here before.

Have I missed the interview/podcast, or do we need to wait until Monday?

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11 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

Have I missed the interview/podcast, or do we need to wait until Monday?

Monday, for sure. I am having a devil of a time with the SA.de website, can't understand a thing. The pictures look cool though...

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24 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

Have I missed the interview/podcast, or do we need to wait until Monday?

:D

 

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14 minutes ago, ~HHN92~ said:

Monday, for sure. I am having a devil of a time with the SA.de website, can't understand a thing. The pictures look cool though...

Oh my, it was cool. Sailing on a GC32 in a decent, though shifty breeze was incredible. Although a bit frightening too, as they feel rather unstable, compared to non-foiling cats or of course monos.
The EXSS showed again that they do things the right way.

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32 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

Have I missed the interview/podcast, or do we need to wait until Monday?

Efficiency is being created ... a merging of the ETNZ AC72 interview is happening right now.  Some monday....

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well, at least clean gave us a good chat with Gashby...Good work Clean. Hope you cover the moth worlds again with Sailor Girl and tinnies rattling around the bilge. Love your work :). Truth

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