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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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Dabnis Goes Down ...........................Again

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Just saw a video of Dabs taking out the cyclist last year or so. You'll see it eventually West Coast. NBC

The punch line is many of us think he did intentionally.

 

jes sayin

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Curious if it's safer to ride in the middle of the lane like that, or in tandem. How can cars legally pass while maintaining the legal distance from the bike?

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Maybe this?

 

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It looks like the cyclist has a tattoo. That's reason enuff, no?

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Dabs wouldn't drive a Volvo if his life depended on it. If given a choice of driving a Volvo or being left in a locked room with a large black homosexual, ..... ehnnnn...... Maybe sipping brie cheese........ BUTT it'd be a hard decision.

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21 hours ago, hobot said:

Maybe this?

 

Serves the douchebag right for riding in the middle of the lane.  jes sayin

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Looks like a long slow uphill - and the rider who gets hit was passing the curb side rider. Watch how the camera & the road edge line wobble back & forth - classic signs of a tired rider.

 

And fuck you Jeff. That's a bullshit statement.

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I know the irritated feeling but I gotta say, when I rode a lot (commuted 35 miles to and from work on my bike for a couple years) sometimes you have to take a lane for a bit. The problem is caused when the shoulder you could ride on just goes away and you have no place but the lane to ride. When that happens if you hug the right side of the lane...someone will certainly pass you with only inches trying to stay completely within their lane and still missing you. It can get pretty hairy. In those cases, I always found it safer to move further out into the lane so that crowding didn't happen and they would go around and clear you with plenty of room to spare. It gets a little harder when its really busy traffic with lots of opposing traffic then they have a hard time going around you in the other lane. Frankly I just avoided those roads if I knew about them because its just too dangerous and disruptive to traffic flow to move out into the lane with no shoulder. In the case of the above...no reason I wouldn't take the lane, no shoulder and its not crowded and its real easy for drivers to sail around you.

But don't get me started about motorcycles lane splitting.........

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46 minutes ago, longy said:

Looks like a long slow uphill - and the rider who gets hit was passing the curb side rider. Watch how the camera & the road edge line wobble back & forth - classic signs of a tired rider.

 

And fuck you Jeff. That's a bullshit statement.

Not buying it. The news articles have said they were out riding together. 

This is a case of a shitbag driver serving karma to a shitbag rider. The driver will get some nasty criminal charges he deserves, and the rider (thankfully) lives to regret riding like an entitled twat. 

Both people were wrong. One, criminally, and the other just being fucking obnoxious. 

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Nothing about 'riding together' contradicts my statement. How can you determine what's happening from 20 seconds of video? The white pick up manages to get past safely with no drama. And neither vehicle is going very fast.

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1 hour ago, Point Break said:

I know the irritated feeling but I gotta say, when I rode a lot (commuted 35 miles to and from work on my bike for a couple years) sometimes you have to take a lane for a bit. The problem is caused when the shoulder you could ride on just goes away and you have no place but the lane to ride. When that happens if you hug the right side of the lane...someone will certainly pass you with only inches trying to stay completely within their lane and still missing you. It can get pretty hairy. In those cases, I always found it safer to move further out into the lane so that crowding didn't happen and they would go around and clear you with plenty of room to spare. It gets a little harder when its really busy traffic with lots of opposing traffic then they have a hard time going around you in the other lane. Frankly I just avoided those roads if I knew about them because its just too dangerous and disruptive to traffic flow to move out into the lane with no shoulder. In the case of the above...no reason I wouldn't take the lane, no shoulder and its not crowded and its real easy for drivers to sail around you.

But don't get me started about motorcycles lane splitting.........

yup, claim your lane, get your space.

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23 minutes ago, longy said:

Nothing about 'riding together' contradicts my statement. How can you determine what's happening from 20 seconds of video? The white pick up manages to get past safely with no drama. And neither vehicle is going very fast.

And likewise, the two riders didn't give a damn that the white truck had to fully cross a double yellow to get around them. They carried on side by side chatting away.

That Volvo driver deserves everything the law throws at him. No argument there. 

I'm just saying the guy on the bike is a dick and karma rears its head in ugly ways, sometimes, with a Volvo. Glad he wasn't killed. 

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3 minutes ago, Monkey said:

I'm just saying the guy on the bike is a dick and karma rears its head in ugly ways, sometimes, with a Volvo.

an somtimes notte........

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33 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

an somtimes notte........

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Well played sir, well played!

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I couldn't help it. It just popped in there.

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3 hours ago, longy said:

 The white pick up manages to get past safely with no drama. And neither vehicle is going very fast.

Had to pass on a double line to do it.

The cyclists riding side by each in that situation makes them assholes.

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I'm a cyclist. I ride on lots of rural roads in groups. In a group of 6 or more it's safer to ride 2 abreast. You're more visible. However if there is a bank up of traffic,especially in a single lane going around a bend the courteous thing to do would be to go singlefile.

However if I was riding with a mate in the situation that I see in this video, it's clear that traffic behind was getting a bit agitated as evident by the guy in the white pickup tooting his horn a couple of times. You're coming up to a blind bend. Do the right thing by everybody and go singlefile. If the guy that got hit had done that he wouldn't have got hit. He got lucky he didn't get hurt more than he did. In saying that the guy in the Volvo is a complete douche and deserves to go down for attempted murder.

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3 hours ago, Monkey said:

Not buying it. The news articles have said they were out riding together. 

This is a case of a shitbag driver serving karma to a shitbag rider. The driver will get some nasty criminal charges he deserves, and the rider (thankfully) lives to regret riding like an entitled twat. 

Both people were wrong. One, criminally, and the other just being fucking obnoxious. 

I concur with this.  

And Longy obviously didn't pick up on the sarcastical tone.  This new board needs a sarcasm button....

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[~color=#ff00ff] {Insert cynicysm here} [/color~]

 

Remove the " ~ " on both ends. I had to add something so that the example HTML command would remain visible. I think some even change the font to Comic Sans MS. 

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20 hours ago, Monkey said:

Both people were wrong. One, criminally, and the other just being fucking obnoxious. 

I wouldn't say that cyclists behaviour rose to the level of criminal.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

I wouldn't say that cyclists behaviour rose to the level of criminal.

It certainly wouldn't have around NY, cyclists are entitled to the lane just like any other legal road user.

But yeah, attempted murder is definitely just karma.

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Oh dear, missed this one, similar to the white trash bike haters tread. Me drive a Volvo? Only yuppies drive Volvos, we see quite a few up here.

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Suppose the bikes are single file. There is a blind curve and an appropriate double line.

so suppose a vehicle decides to pass. 

And

an oncoming vehicle suddenly appears

just where do the two vehicles go??

.....

Seems to me it is just too dangerous to pass right there.

the vehicles need to wait for a safe opportunity 

Or the bikers couid be very very nice and pull off the road so the cars can safely pass 

...

i do not share the "cars are entitled to blast down the  highway and the bikers are  costing the drivers precious minutes."

The damned drivers are making it dangerous for the bikers is just as absurd as the bikers are holding up the drivers.

the problem  is the fact we all Need to use the same road. 

The solution is to share it safely 

raging against the others will never end well 

 

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6 hours ago, Gouvernail said:

Suppose the bikes are single file. There is a blind curve and an appropriate double line.

so suppose a vehicle decides to pass. 

And

an oncoming vehicle suddenly appears

just where do the two vehicles go??

.....

Seems to me it is just too dangerous to pass right there.

the vehicles need to wait for a safe opportunity 

Or the bikers couid be very very nice and pull off the road so the cars can safely pass 

...

i do not share the "cars are entitled to blast down the  highway and the bikers are  costing the drivers precious minutes."

The damned drivers are making it dangerous for the bikers is just as absurd as the bikers are holding up the drivers.

the problem  is the fact we all Need to use the same road. 

The solution is to share it safely 

raging against the others will never end well 

 

Not good to hit an oncoming car, or logging truck head on, best not to run over the bike rider. Can't stop in time? , oh dear

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6 minutes ago, Dabnis2 said:

Not good to hit an oncoming car, or logging truck head on, best not to run over the bike rider. Can't stop in time? , oh dear

Boring, as per usual. The online "persona" you have adopted is outrageously tedious and grindingly predictable.    

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On 7/10/2017 at 4:47 PM, Chum said:

Curious if it's safer to ride in the middle of the lane like that, or in tandem. How can cars legally pass while maintaining the legal distance from the bike?

Like with a Rat Trap

The 2nd car can safely pass :-)

Bicycle Laws are written by those who ride Bicyclez

And Kills them !!!!!

oh, while generating the seldom ticket , I guess

I have seen bicycles across the road w a dead or critical rider 

Never seen someone getting a ticket for missing one

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53 minutes ago, amphib44 said:

Boring, as per usual. The online "persona" you have adopted is outrageously tedious and grindingly predictable.    

Just replying to Gov's post related to bicycle safety. My most humble apologies if it offended you. Not good to hit a logging truck head on while trying to avoid a bicycle rider.

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1 hour ago, Dabnis2 said:

Just replying to Gov's post related to bicycle safety. My most humble apologies if it offended you. Not good to hit a logging truck head on while trying to avoid a bicycle rider.

You're not offensive, you're boring.

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3 hours ago, DA-WOODY said:

Like with a Rat Trap

The 2nd car can safely pass :-)

Bicycle Laws are written by those who ride Bicyclez

And Kills them !!!!!

oh, while generating the seldom ticket , I guess

I have seen bicycles across the road w a dead or critical rider 

Never seen someone getting a ticket for missing one

Uh...yeah, sumthin like that Woodman.

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1 hour ago, amphib44 said:

You're not offensive, you're boring.

Could be. One has to allow themselves to be bored.

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On ‎7‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 6:15 PM, Mrleft8 said:

Dabs wouldn't drive a Volvo if his life depended on it. If given a choice of driving a Volvo or being left in a locked room with a large black homosexual, ..... ehnnnn...... Maybe sipping brie cheese........ BUTT it'd be a hard decision.

I will take the Volvo.

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On ‎7‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 5:16 PM, Blue Crab said:

It looks like the cyclist has a tattoo. That's reason enuff, no?

Looks like he has his hat on properly, so he gets a pass on the tattoo.

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Great....they can't stay in PA. Motherfuckers.......

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14 minutes ago, Point Break said:

Great....they can't stay in PA. Motherfuckers.......

Well, Point, been a while. If you are shooting at me, I didn't start the thread. I think Blue crab may be left handed, one of yours, perhaps?

Blue, running over a bicycle rider intentionally would be impolite, likely it was accidental?

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20 hours ago, amphib44 said:

You're not offensive, you're boring.

Forgot to add this to my other post. "Boring"? Yes, I feel your pain. Over on Political Anarchy, seems like about 75%, or more, of the total threads are anti Trump threads & posts, which I find boring, so I just don't open them. And, like you, I find that some posters are boring, so I just don't open their posts either, works well.

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Dabs, you seem to be the whipping boy here. What's funny is I'm a member of a motorcycle forum and in their political forum most members there are right wingers, however there is a left version of you who is taunted and insulted in almost the same manner you are here. It's kind of funny that sailors and bikers are polar opposites politically speaking but behave similarly to those who oppose their views. 

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40 minutes ago, PuffyJman said:

Dabs, you seem to be the whipping boy here. What's funny is I'm a member of a motorcycle forum and in their political forum most members there are right wingers, however there is a left version of you who is taunted and insulted in almost the same manner you are here. It's kind of funny that sailors and bikers are polar opposites politically speaking but behave similarly to those who oppose their views. 

From what I can see here, the forum is owned by a left handed  person, the staff persons I have talked to appear to be left handed, as do about 90% of the members. So, me being an ultra rabid right wing extremist gun enthusiast deplorable, it appears most have differing views than I do. 

Calguns sounds similar to your M/C forum, mostly right wing deplorables, with a token few lefties thrown in. Yes, I think most sailboat owners are lefties. I rode & raced off road motorcycles for 30 years. Almost all of my riding friends & partners were right wingers, with a few union Democrats thrown in. I can't remember any that were actually liberals.

"Whipping boy"?  I don't mind, it is good entertainment.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/index.php

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1 hour ago, Dabnis2 said:

Forgot to add this to my other post. "Boring"? Yes, I feel your pain. Over on Political Anarchy, seems like about 75%, or more, of the total threads are anti Trump threads & posts, which I find boring, so I just don't open them. And, like you, I find that some posters are boring, so I just don't open their posts either, works well.

Boring!!

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17 minutes ago, amphib44 said:

Boring!!

 

17 minutes ago, amphib44 said:

Boring!!

I was wondering to myself: "Self, if Amphib finds my posts boring, why does he read & reply to them?"

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2 hours ago, Dabnis2 said:

 

I was wondering to myself: "Self, if Amphib finds my posts boring, why does he read & reply to them?"

I'm not replying to you individual posts, per se (if they are more than a single line, I simply won't read them). I'm just pointing out how tedious this persona you've chosen has become. A racist "Aunt Bea" (oh my...).  

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37 minutes ago, amphib44 said:

I'm not replying to you individual posts, per se (if they are more than a single line, I simply won't read them). I'm just pointing out how tedious this persona you've chosen has become. A racist "Aunt Bea" (oh my...).  

I see. "Persona"? That is just  plain Ol' me, what you see is what you get, just having a little fun. What kind of "Persona" should I be?

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Dab's idea of fun is is in the sense of the fun that Josef Mengele had at Auschwitz.  Some twisted people get amused in strange ways.

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Was thinking about the title of this thread. I didn't know I was "Down, again" Actually, I feel pretty good, enjoying life to the fullest.

If others here have the opinion that I am "Down", I am curious to know why. Just sitting here, posting, having lots of fun.

However, everybody is entitled to:

Image result for "Have it your way"

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Keep it up Dabs annoy the piss out of the snowflakes here! I find it hard to believe you carry this much credence that members go out of their way to attach you to events you aren't remotely involved in. LMAO!

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2 hours ago, PuffyJman said:

Keep it up Dabs annoy the piss out of the snowflakes here! I find it hard to believe you carry this much credence that members go out of their way to attach you to events you aren't remotely involved in. LMAO!

Yes, I can't remember ever having run over a bicycle rider, I think I would, & it would likely "Make a mark", on my car, that is, like this one:

 

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19 hours ago, Dabnis2 said:

Yes, I can't remember ever having run over a bicycle rider, I think I would, & it would likely "Make a mark", on my car, that is, like this one:

 

It'll probably buff out.

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On 7/12/2017 at 4:42 PM, CrushDigital said:

It certainly wouldn't have around NY, cyclists are entitled to the lane just like any other legal road user.

But yeah, attempted murder is definitely just karma.

Yeah, see, the whole "legal road user" thing is what gets me.  When was the last time you saw a cyclist stop for a stop sign?  I see cyclist blow thru these routinely. That act alone negates the "legal road user".  As a cyclist, if you're going to expect everyone to accord you the "rules of the road" and allow you into traffic, you as a cyclist also need to follow the "rules of the road." In the case of the d-bag in the video, that the whole "slower traffic keep right" rule.  Of course, all this falls under the heading of everyone following the rules of the road.  And, in that regard, I'm no angel.  When I cycle, I try to stick to bike paths/lanes and if I'm in general traffic I make sure I'm not holding people up (lot's less getting run over that way). 

Yes, the Volvo driver is a class A a-hole and deserves whatever they get. And yes, the cyclist got what he was asking for.  If you put your nose out there and dare people to cut it off, you need to be aware that there are people out there that are bigger a-holes than you and might be in a position to do something about it (decency or legality not withstanding).

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4 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

It'll probably buff out.

The car or the rider? If the rider, that is a whole lot of buffing. If he lived, he is one super tough guy, lots of kinetic energy to be absorbed in a very small bit of time. I wonder if he lost both brakes & couldn't bring himself to lay it down, long before he got to the corner? If he had missed the car, there were trees waiting for him. "Trees always win"

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On 7/20/2017 at 9:42 AM, Dabnis2 said:

Yes, I can't remember ever having run over a bicycle rider, I think I would, & it would likely "Make a mark", on my car, that is, like this one:

 

I think in this case the bike rider tried to run the car over (doesn't seem to work as well the other way 'round), Also there seemed to be excessive speed involved. If the car wasn't there to stop him, who knows how many innocent woodland creatures may have been injured as he surely would've kept going off into the woods at that speed.

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I went back &read most of the comments on the above video. Oh my!!, there are many that really don't like bicycle riders. Reminded me of this one, a bit less serious. I laughed the first tie I saw it, but after watching it again, I felt sorry for the person, looked like a nice kind of guy.

 

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On 7/21/2017 at 10:28 AM, linaszuk said:

Yeah, see, the whole "legal road user" thing is what gets me.  When was the last time you saw a cyclist stop for a stop sign?  I see cyclist blow thru these routinely. That act alone negates the "legal road user".  As a cyclist, if you're going to expect everyone to accord you the "rules of the road" and allow you into traffic, you as a cyclist also need to follow the "rules of the road." In the case of the d-bag in the video, that the whole "slower traffic keep right" rule.  Of course, all this falls under the heading of everyone following the rules of the road.  And, in that regard, I'm no angel.  When I cycle, I try to stick to bike paths/lanes and if I'm in general traffic I make sure I'm not holding people up (lot's less getting run over that way). 

Yes, the Volvo driver is a class A a-hole and deserves whatever they get. And yes, the cyclist got what he was asking for.  If you put your nose out there and dare people to cut it off, you need to be aware that there are people out there that are bigger a-holes than you and might be in a position to do something about it (decency or legality not withstanding).

Years ago while riding to my friends house, I rode through a residential neighborhood stop sign in Corona Del Mar and got busted by a cop. He wrote me a ticket for that and then proceeded to lecture my friend and I so long it got dark, so he gave us a ticket for not having bike lights too. Went to court and the judge gave me a warning and sentenced me to write an essay on why what I did was wrong. I did. Then as I left it on the kitchen table, my brother's friend read it, declared it shit, and torn it up. This was before I owned a computer. So I had to re-write it. Don't think I've ridden through a stop sign since. 

Bike riders sharing the road are a pain in the arse. Still, all the rules still apply and like most situations in life there are the people with common sense and the others who are either idiots or don't simply care about being courteous. I personally don't ride on the road any more except in neighborhoods. There are too many distracted drivers out there to make it safe. I'll stick with booms and sharks to get my danger thrills.

 

PS: there is a section of town near where I live that has signs painted on the road that gives permission to riders to dominate the lane. The speed limit is only 25MPH any way and there are parked cars all down it. I'm guessing there have been bike vs opening door issues. 

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Adding fuel to the fire....:D

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On 7/21/2017 at 10:28 AM, linaszuk said:

Yeah, see, the whole "legal road user" thing is what gets me.  When was the last time you saw a cyclist stop for a stop sign?  I see cyclist blow thru these routinely. That act alone negates the "legal road user".  As a cyclist, if you're going to expect everyone to accord you the "rules of the road" and allow you into traffic, you as a cyclist also need to follow the "rules of the road." In the case of the d-bag in the video, that the whole "slower traffic keep right" rule.  Of course, all this falls under the heading of everyone following the rules of the road.  And, in that regard, I'm no angel.  When I cycle, I try to stick to bike paths/lanes and if I'm in general traffic I make sure I'm not holding people up (lot's less getting run over that way). 

Yes, the Volvo driver is a class A a-hole and deserves whatever they get. And yes, the cyclist got what he was asking for.  If you put your nose out there and dare people to cut it off, you need to be aware that there are people out there that are bigger a-holes than you and might be in a position to do something about it (decency or legality not withstanding).

I can't speak for others, and ride less then I used to,   But I stop for signs (at least slow down enough to tap my foot on the ground).   I also have great visibllity, can hear anything but a hybrid, etc.   A couple considerations car only people might think about.   If the guy has toe clips it takes a couple seconds to free the shoe from the cleat, and they occasionally jam.   I've seen cyclists fall while trying to free a foot.   If the guy is hot and exhausted his mind may be a little soft, and mistakes are easy to make.    Finally regarding red lights....   I do run some.  You have to.   The sensor won't trip for a bike.   Many crosswalk lights are turned off, were never installed, or just don't work.   You either wait for a car to come (on non peak times that I prefer to bike, that may be a very long time) or you run the light.   The city literally doesn't give me a choice.    I stop,   I know the button is dead for one on my commute and two don't  have a button.   I wait either for a clearing and run he light, or for a car to come and trip the sensor, whichever comes first.

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6 minutes ago, Legion of Modernrate Jack said:

Is having pedestrian call buttons disabled "a thing", in trumpland?

I'm curious.   Maybe someday I'll crash a city council meeting and ask.   I like the blind friendly ones in Kansas City that talk to you, you know the button worked and it will eventually give you the signal,   

 

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1 minute ago, Lark said:

I'm curious.   Maybe someday I'll crash a city council meeting and ask.   I like the blind friendly ones in Kansas City that talk to you, you know the button worked and it will eventually give you the signal,   

 

We have had chirping then clucking rapidly to walk, controllers since the 80s, sometimes you can hear them over the roar of heavy vehicles and en mass traffic.

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I know several intersections in my town (all on Pacific Coast Highway) where the buttons are disabled because the amount of pedestrian traffic crossing is high so the traffic flow disruptions are a problem. So the buttons remain to keep the pedestrians busy while they wait but they are not functional. The lights mostly change by sensor. Some don't even change by sensor and rely only on a timing cycle that varies by time of day. The traffic engineers make those decisions.

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23 minutes ago, Point Break said:

I know several intersections in my town (all on Pacific Coast Highway) where the buttons are disabled because the amount of pedestrian traffic crossing is high so the traffic flow disruptions are a problem. So the buttons remain to keep the pedestrians busy while they wait but they are not functional. The lights mostly change by sensor. Some don't even change by sensor and rely only on a timing cycle that varies by time of day. The traffic engineers make those decisions.

So many people were walking it was interfering with the west coast traffic jam, causing traffic jams.   So the solution was to discourage pedestrians so more people drive.    Sound logic.    I suspect the traffic engineers job description is to maximize movement of cars.   

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Lark said:

So many people were walking it was interfering with the west coast traffic jam, causing traffic jams.   So the solution was to discourage pedestrians so more people drive.    Sound logic.    I suspect the traffic engineers job description is to maximize movement of cars.   

 

Keeping the traffic moving is the priority on the primary routes. They aren't so jacked up about pedestrian driven pauses on secondary and tertiary roads but it does not take too many interruptions in a row to get traffic pretty jacked up. The theory is causing pedestrians to wait an extra 30 to 90 seconds to cross is preferable to traffic waiting two or three light cycles and backing up the flow. Unfortunately I know more about this than I wanted to since working to establish emergency response corridors by traffic signal preemption caused me to spend a great deal of time working with various cities traffic engineers. Traffic flow is paramount.

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Another solution is to do what they did, in Germany, when we were there. Motor vehicle traffic did not stop for pedestrians, at least we never saw that happen in the four trips we made there. The big eye opener was  our first landing at the Frankfort airport, standing on the pedestrian island watching cars blow by at about 60 MPH, about two feet away. We never saw a pedestrian just walk out into moving traffic, as they do here.

They had lots, & lots of traffic there, & they drove very fast, everywhere, not sure what it is like now?

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12 minutes ago, Point Break said:

Keeping the traffic moving is the priority on the primary routes. They aren't so jacked up about pedestrian driven pauses on secondary and tertiary roads but it does not take too many interruptions in a row to get traffic pretty jacked up. The theory is causing pedestrians to wait an extra 30 to 90 seconds to cross is preferable to traffic waiting two or three light cycles and backing up the flow. Unfortunately I know more about this than I wanted to since working to establish emergency response corridors by traffic signal preemption caused me to spend a great deal of time working with various cities traffic engineers. Traffic flow is paramount.

Ok I can see that.    I suppose a few well placed pedestrian / bicycle tunnels would be cost prohibitive.  I'm biased by my experience in W. Lafayette IN, a college town that (at least when I was there) spent a great deal of energy discriminating against all forms of transportation evenly,   My favorite was the decision to place the inefficient snake style bike racks (decorative devices almost impossible to chain against without scratching your paint) at hub locations and removing the old easy to use racks in front of every building, on the grounds that bikes are eyesores and should be hidden from view.   Pedestrian cross walks were barely adequate, sidewalks poorly cleaned in the winter and non staff parking was nonexistent.   This was at a school teaching civil engineering, making me skeptical of the profession.    The last pop up cell is nearly here.    Hopefully no new ones form.   Noaa and Wunderground cannot make up their minds.  I arrived at the predicted clearing to see a lake full of whitecaps and erratic gusts with occasional thunder, so I've been lounging in the cabin waiting as the outlook keeps dropping.  Anybody else in this predicament?    Bored.   

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2 minutes ago, Lark said:

Ok I can see that.    I suppose a few well placed pedestrian / bicycle tunnels would be cost prohibitive.  I'm biased by my experience in W. Lafayette IN, a college town that (at least when I was there) spent a great deal of energy discriminating against all forms of transportation evenly,   My favorite was the decision to place the inefficient snake style bike racks (decorative devices almost impossible to chain against without scratching your paint) at hub locations and removing the old easy to use racks in front of every building, on the grounds that bikes are eyesores and should be hidden from view.   Pedestrian cross walks were barely adequate, sidewalks poorly cleaned in the winter and non staff parking was nonexistent.   This was at a school teaching civil engineering, making me skeptical of the profession.    The last pop up cell is nearly here.    Hopefully no new ones form.   Noaa and Wunderground cannot make up their minds.  I arrived at the predicted clearing to see a lake full of whitecaps and erratic gusts with occasional thunder, so I've been lounging in the cabin waiting as the outlook keeps dropping.  Anybody else in this predicament?    Bored.   

Tunnels are out for the reason you mentioned. New overcrossings have fallen from favor as well for the same reason along with the aesthetics of the required chain link fence to deter jumpers. You are right about the lack of bike friendly routes in some areas. I commuted on my bike about 35 miles for a few years. Some parts of that commute were pretty dicey relative to proximity to traffic...narrow shoulders & no bike lane. I did it for training purposes not to be "green" but eventually I decided the risk/benefit ratio didn't pencil out. Too bad because most days I really enjoyed the coastal ride....especially at sunrise. 

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"Cost"? you say? Nothing is too good for the bicycle riders:

 

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Then you have this inspired idiocy...

Playa del Rey clusterfuck  Douchebag L. A. city councilman Bonin sneaks through a project that only benefits cyclists and patrons of Ghetto State Beach to the detriment of commuters and PdR businesses.

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12 hours ago, Timo42 said:

Then you have this inspired idiocy...

Playa del Rey clusterfuck  Douchebag L. A. city councilman Bonin sneaks through a project that only benefits cyclists and patrons of Ghetto State Beach to the detriment of commuters and PdR businesses.

Nothing is too good for bicycle riders. The terrible part is that if they also drive a car they pay gas tax to build & maintain the roads that were built for motor vehicles. That is totally unfair, they should be exempt from gas taxes, & all cars & trucks should be removed from "Their" roads. "Let's go play in the traffic"

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2 hours ago, My name is Legion said:

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They just don't build Lexus's like they used to. 

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