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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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Sol Rosenberg

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8 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-russia-email-candidacy.html

Trump Jr. Was Told in Email of Russian Effort to Aid Campaign

Would you mind Copying and Pasting?  I have used up my articles for this month, and refuse to pay a subscription...

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WASHINGTON — Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.

The email to the younger Mr. Trump was sent by Rob Goldstone, a publicist and former British tabloid reporter who helped broker the June 2016 meeting. In a statement on Sunday, Mr. Trump acknowledged that he was interested in receiving damaging information about Mrs. Clinton, but gave no indication that he thought the lawyer might have been a Kremlin proxy.

Mr. Goldstone’s message, as described to The New York Times by the three people, indicates that the Russian government was the source of the potentially damaging information. It does not elaborate on the wider effort by Moscow to help the Trump campaign. There is no evidence to suggest that the promised damaging information was related to Russian government computer hacking that led to the release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails.

But the email is likely to be of keen interest to the Justice Department and congressional investigators, who are examining whether any of President Trump’s associates colluded with the Russian government to disrupt last year’s election. American intelligence agencies have determined that the Russian government attempted to sway the election in favor of Mr. Trump.

Alan Futerfas, the lawyer for the younger Mr. Trump, said his client had done nothing wrong but pledged to work with investigators if contacted.

”In my view, this is much ado about nothing. During this busy period, Robert Goldstone contacted Don Jr. in an email and suggested that people had information concerning alleged wrongdoing by Democratic Party front-runner, Hillary Clinton, in her dealings with Russia,” he said to The Times in an email on Monday. “Don Jr.’s takeaway from this communication was that someone had information potentially helpful to the campaign and it was coming from someone he knew. Don Jr. had no knowledge as to what specific information, if any, would be discussed.”

It is unclear whether Mr. Goldstone had direct knowledge of the origin of the damaging material. One person who was briefed on the emails said it appeared that he was passing along information that had been given to him by others.

Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, and Paul J. Manafort, the campaign chairman at the time, also attended the June 2016 meeting in New York. Representatives for Mr. Kushner referred requests for comments back to an earlier statement, which said he voluntarily disclosed the meeting to the federal government. He has deferred questions on the content of the meeting to Donald Trump Jr.

A spokesman for Mr. Manafort declined to comment.

But at the White House, deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was adamant from the briefing room lectern that “the president’s campaign did not collude in any way. Don Jr. did not collude with anybody to influence the election. No one within the Trump campaign colluded in order to influence the election.”

The president, a prolific Twitter user, did not address his son’s controversy on Monday, and instead sought to highlight other issues throughout the morning.

In a series of tweets, the president’s son insisted he did what anyone connected to a political campaign would have done — to hear out potentially damaging information about an opponent. He maintained that his various statements about the meeting weren’t in conflict.

“Obviously I’m the first person on a campaign to ever take a meeting to hear info about an opponent... went nowhere but had to listen,” he wrote in one tweet. In another, he added, “No inconsistency in statements, meeting ended up being primarily about adoptions. In response to further Q’s I simply provided more details.”

The younger Mr. Trump, who had a reputation during the campaign for having meetings with a wide range of people eager to speak to him, did not join his father’s administration. He runs the family business, the Trump Organization, with his brother, Eric.

On Monday, after news reports that he had hired a lawyer, he indicated in a tweet that he would be open to speaking to the Senate Intelligence Committee, one of the congressional panels investigating Russian meddling in the election. “Happy to work with the committee to pass on what I know,” the younger Mr. Trump wrote.

Mr. Goldstone represents the Russian pop star Emin Agalarov, whose father was President Trump’s business partner in bringing the Miss Universe pageant to Moscow in 2013. In an interview Monday, Mr. Goldstone said he was asked by Mr. Agalarov to set up the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. and the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya.

“He said, ‘I’m told she has information about illegal campaign contributions to the D.N.C.,’” Mr. Goldstone recalled, referring to the Democratic National Committee. He said he then emailed Donald Jr., outlining what the lawyer purported to have.

But Mr. Goldstone, who wrote the email over a year ago, denied any knowledge of involvement by the Russian government in the matter, saying that never dawned on him. “Never, never ever,” he said. Later, after the email was described to The Times, efforts to reach him for further comment were unsuccessful.

In the interview, he said it was his understanding that Ms. Veselnitskaya was simply a “private citizen” for whom Mr. Agalarov wanted to do a favor. He also said he did not know whether Mr. Agalarov’s father, Aras Agalarov, a Moscow real estate tycoon known to be close to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, was involved. The elder Mr. Agalarov and the younger Mr. Trump worked together to bring a Trump Tower to Moscow, but the project never got off the ground.

Mr. Goldstone also said his recollection of the meeting largely tracked with the account given by the president’s son, as outlined in the Sunday statement Mr. Trump released in response to a Times story on the June 2016 meeting. Mr. Goldstone said that the last time he had communicated with the younger Mr. Trump was to send him a congratulatory text after the November election, but added that he did speak to the Trump Organization over the past weekend, before giving his account to the media.

Donald Trump Jr., who initially told The Times that Ms. Veselnitskaya wanted to talk about the resumption of adoption of Russian children by American families, acknowledged in the Sunday statement that one subject of the meeting was possibly compromising information about Mrs. Clinton.

But he said that the Russian lawyer produced nothing of consequence, and that the meeting ended after she began talking about the Magnitsky Act — an American law that blacklists suspected Russian human rights abusers. The 2012 law so enraged Mr. Putin that he halted American adoptions of Russian children.

Mr. Goldstone said Ms. Veselnitskaya offered “just a vague, generic statement about the campaign’s funding and how people, including Russian people, living all over the world donate when they shouldn’t donate” before turning to her anti-Magnitsky Act arguments.

“It was the most inane nonsense I’ve ever heard,” he said. “And I was actually feeling agitated by it. Had I, you know, actually taken up what is a huge amount of their busy time with this nonsense?”

Ms. Veselnitskaya, for her part, denied that the campaign or compromising material about Mrs. Clinton ever came up at all. She said she never acted on behalf of the Russian government. A spokesperson for Mr. Putin said on Monday that the Russian president did not know Ms. Veselnitskaya, and had no knowledge of the June 2016 meeting.

Ms. Sanders said at a press briefing that the American president had learned of the meeting recently but declined to discuss details.

The White House press office, however, accused Mrs. Clinton’s team of hypocrisy. The office circulated a January 2017 article published in Politico, detailing how officials from the Ukranian government tried to help the Democratic candidate conduct opposition research on Mr. Trump and some of his aides.

News of the meeting involving the younger Mr. Trump, Mr. Kushner and Mr. Manafort blunted whatever good feeling the president’s team had after his trip to Europe for the Group of 20 economic summit.

The president learned from his aides about the 2016 meeting at the tail end of the trip, according to one White House official. But some people in the White House had known for several days that it had occurred, because Mr. Kushner had revised his foreign contact disclosure document to include it.

The president was aggravated by the news of the meeting, according to one person close to him — less over the fact that it had happened, and more because it was yet another story about Russia that had swamped the media cycle.

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Damn, it's gonna be real hard to say Hillary was worse.  But I'm gonna try Ringo.

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Thanks Sol!!

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1 minute ago, billy backstay said:

Thanks Sol!!

try an incognito window on whatever browser device you are using.

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When in the course of human events........tic-toc

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4 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

try an incognito window on whatever browser device you are using.

Not available on work computer with Forcepoint content blocking nanny ...

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Just now, billy backstay said:

Not available on work computer with Forcepoint nanny blocking...

Your phone likely has an incognito window.

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1 minute ago, badlatitude said:

Your phone likely has an incognito window.

Tiny iPhone 5S is just not conducive to this venue, compared to Dell PC with full size keyboard and monitor.

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1 minute ago, billy backstay said:

Tiny iPhone 5S is just not conducive to this venue, compared to Dell PC with full size keyboard and monitor.

Sure it is unless you have to wear glasses when you read or aren't used to texting, that can be a problem. But it does get the job done when nothing else is available.

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3 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

If not for the huge corruption of the Benghazi caper, I'd say this might rate as the biggest of the 21st century.

This is barely a sex slave pizza parlor.

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Hahaha!  He really is the Fredo of the family.  

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14 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Sure it is unless you have to wear glasses when you read or aren't used to texting, that can be a problem. But it does get the job done when nothing else is available.

If nothing else but tiny phone is available, then I can't be arsed to come on here, 

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These guys are starting to make Nixon look like a piker.

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43 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

This is barely a sex slave pizza parlor.

It'll never rank up there with the Bowling Green Massacre.

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I doubt this is the first time a foreign entity has offered information on a presidential candidate.

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Russiagate has a huge backdrop. Many years of business dealings are yet to be revealed. Some have shady actors, even in the USA. Fredo indeed.

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Am I missing something?   The meeting took place before the hacking was made public.  So there goes the "He knew he was getting stolen info."  What campaign wouldn't meet with someone that claims to have information about their opponent?   Seriously how many front page stories about Trump and his family have played out?   Three years from now  new threads will still be predicting Trumps downfall.   Any day, week, month, year now....

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1 hour ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

There is no evidence to suggest that the promised damaging information was related to Russian government computer hacking that led to the release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails.

 

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7 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

Am I missing something?   The meeting took place before the hacking was made public.  So there goes the "He knew he was getting stolen info."  What campaign wouldn't meet with someone that claims to have information about their opponent?   Seriously how many front page stories about Trump and his family have played out?   Three years from now  new threads will still be predicting Trumps downfall.   Any day, week, month, year now....

He was told the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT had dirt on Hillary.  He went for it.  That is not only illegal but grossly unethical.  Had Chelsey done the same you would have exploded.

 

One degree of separation from Trump.  And its getting hot hot hot.

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8 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

There is no evidence to suggest that the promised damaging information was related to Russian government computer hacking that led to the release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails.

 

"NYT just published in last few minute: Russian govt. sought to aid Trump's candidacy 

Before mtg happened Jr. was told there would be compromising material offered about Hillary and was part of Russian govt. helping Trump. They have email to that effect. He absolutely knew why he was going"

 

"Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.

The email to the younger Mr. Trump was sent by Rob Goldstone, a publicist and former British tabloid reporter who helped broker the June 2016 meeting. In a statement on Sunday, Mr. Trump acknowledged that he was interested in receiving damaging information about Mrs. Clinton, but gave no indication that he thought the lawyer might have been a Kremlin proxy.

Mr. Goldstone’s message, as described to The New York Times by the three people, indicates that the Russian government was the source of the potentially damaging information. It does not elaborate on the wider effort by Moscow to help the Trump campaign.

There is no evidence to suggest that the promised damaging information was related to Russian government computer hacking that led to the release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails. The meeting took place less than a week before it was widely reported that Russian hackers had infiltrated the committee’s servers.

But the email is likely to be of keen interest to the Justice Department and congressional investigators, who are examining whether any of President Trump’s associates colluded with the Russian government to disrupt last year’s election. American intelligence agencies have determined that the Russian government tried to sway the election in favor of Mr. Trump."

More at the link: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-russia-email-candidacy.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

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Anther dot has been connected between trump and the hacking.  This could make bowling green seem like BENGAHZI!

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5 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

Anther dot has been connected between trump and the hacking.  This could make bowling green seem like BENGAHZI!

I said it in another thread, now I understand why Trump seemed out of it at the G20, his mind was elsewhere and he is desperately looking for a way out of this fix. Not going to happen and he can't make a deal with Dems, he has to go through Republicans who know taking down Trump might save their midterms.

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I just LOVE how this has played out!

1. Never happened FAKE NEWS

2. Well it did happen, but so what! Everyone does it. I mean it would have been totally OK with the Republicans if the FSB (nee KGB) fed Hillary Trump's tax returns. I mean what politician would turn that down, no harm no foul, ammiright ;)

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If it was before the dissemination (and I'll leave it like that because it sounds so juicy and Trumpian), who says that wasn't decided at the meeting?

Get your conspiracy juices going guys!  Time for a little payback- that most American hobby!

Doth King Trump throw his eldest son under the bus of his ambition?  Will Ivanka stop him? What courtier will take things dark and deadly?

King Lear, Baby!  Or if we're really lucky, Hamlet!  The play within a play!

Oh, goody!

Fake drama?  I think not!

 

 

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Gropenfuhrer is God and every member of the Kakistocracy is Job. 

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I am really looking forwrd to all the films and books that come out after this

 

can you imagine the spicey/jkellyanne books.

I have many, many hours of reading to  come.

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Books?? You must be very old

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We really ought to

publish PA as a book and share the royalties 

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your brillaint incisive prose in these fora no longer belongs to you

 

you signed them away when you joined up.

 

All those millions of words I wrote for the BBC belong to them " in perpetuity and in the known and as yet unknown universe" - which pretty much covers it.

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Hey there swingin' bachelors
Are you tired of the steady drip
drip, drip of Gonorrhea?
Then Peter Rooter's for you

Peter Rooter, that's the name
You just flush your troubles
Down the drain
Rotten Peter, rotten Peter, rotten Peter

 

Now back to our regularly scheduled Anarchy......

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15 minutes ago, Dog said:

When do we get to the collusion?

It will take some time for you to move past denial. 

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18 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

It will take some time for you to move past denial. 

Interesting. Hitting "reverse" from "ask what the crime is" to "ask where the evidence is."  non-supporters are getting mixed up. 

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16 minutes ago, Modernrate Buai said:

Hillary butt hurt syndrone... nothing to see... all fake collusion nuewz

Meanwhile some important #MAGA shizz

 

Hmmm, call me naive but one would think a country that places travel bans on countries based on their national religion may have scotched their chances for holding the OG's..Trump is less popular internationally than Hitler was in 1936 

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2 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Hmmm, call me naive but one would think a country that places travel bans on countries based on their national religion may have scotched their chances for holding the OG's..Trump is less popular internationally than Hitler was in 1936 

trump is only interested in the billions his company will reap with exclusive build contracts, bet the sites are already or about to be owned by guess who, to sell back for a few notes of folding, pre build. :) 

#trumpschristianwhiteolympics

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Living and working within the laws set out for normal citizens do not apply!

Tiz all ..."much ado about nothing."

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57 minutes ago, Modernrate Buai said:

Hillary butt hurt syndrone... nothing to see... all fake collusion nuewz

Meanwhile some important #MAGA shizz

 

The Olympics in LA! Hey Trump, you idiot, The Olympics committee has come up with the Solution: Olympics in LA either 2024 or 2028. Paris will take the other time slot. Whichever it is. So dingbat, the Olympics will be in LA. And you have nothing to do with it.

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37 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341399-russian-lawyer-i-never-had-any-damaging-or-sensitive-information-on

Russian lawyer: Trump Campaign wanted info so badly....

It shall be unlawful to solicit....

 

whoopsies. 

The actual quote for the fact based....“It is quite possible that maybe they were longing for such an information," she said.

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2 minutes ago, Dog said:

The actual quote for the fact based....“It is quite possible that maybe they were longing for such an information," she said.

As opposed to the title of the article, for the contextually challenged.  

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27 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

As opposed to the title of the article, for the contextually challenged.  

Yes, quite opposed to the title of the article, for the dupes.

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38 minutes ago, Dog said:

Yes, quite opposed to the title of the article, for the dupes.

your quest for the truth is rivaled only by OJ's search for the real killers.  If only Donzo Jr's Sunday statement didn't confirm that he absolutely was soliciting damaging info....  

Meanwhile...the drops keep falling.

Trump Jr. Was Told in Email of Russian Effort to Aid Campaign

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-russia-email-candidacy.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

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WASHINGTON — Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.

The email to the younger Mr. Trump was sent by Rob Goldstone, a publicist and former British tabloid reporter who helped broker the June 2016 meeting. In a statement on Sunday, Mr. Trump acknowledged that he was interested in receiving damaging information about Mrs. Clinton, but gave no indication that he thought the lawyer might have been a Kremlin proxy.

Mr. Goldstone’s message, as described to The New York Times by the three people, indicates that the Russian government was the source of the potentially damaging information. It does not elaborate on the wider effort by Moscow to help the Trump campaign.

There is no evidence to suggest that the promised damaging information was related to Russian government computer hacking that led to the release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails. The meeting took place less than a week before it was widely reported that Russian hackers had infiltrated the committee’s servers.

This must be the Russian version of Chinese water torture.  Drip drip drip.  

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Like his daddy, Donnie's worst enemy is his mouth.

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Russian Dirt on Clinton? ‘I Love It,’ Donald Trump Jr. Said

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/trump-russia-email-clinton.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65556520&pgtype=Homepage&_r=0

 

The June 3, 2016, email sent to Donald Trump Jr. could hardly have been more explicit: One of his father’s former Russian business partners had been contacted by a senior Russian government official and was offering to provide the Trump campaign with dirt on Hillary Clinton.

The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

If the future president’s elder son was surprised or disturbed by the provenance of the promised material — or the notion that it was part of an ongoing effort by the Russian government to aid his father’s campaign — he gave no indication.

He replied within minutes: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

Four days later, after a flurry of emails, the intermediary wrote back, proposing a meeting in New York on Thursday with a “Russian government attorney.”

Donald Trump Jr. agreed, adding that he would likely bring along “Paul Manafort (campaign boss)” and “my brother-in-law,” Jared Kushner, now one of the president’s closest White House advisers.

continued.......

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10 minutes ago, saxdog said:

I think Jr. needs to acquire some body armour. It seems like he's being thrown under the bus.

If the leaks are coming from inside the White House who's the leaker? Bannon? Miller? Putin?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/lawyers-donald-trump-jr-is-getting-terrible-legal-advice?via=newsletter&source=DDMorning

Something tells me it's Priebus.  

If anything, it would be helpful if Donzo Jr. could put out one story and stick with it. The non-supporters seem to be getting cranky about having their defenses undercut time and time again.  

And releasing the email chain.. his lawyer is going to love that move.  

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thing of value ^

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I love it ^

Wait.  Is that a code phrase, like in the Naked Gun?  "I love it!" and the rest of Police Squad comes storming in to save Frank Drebin.  

 

Poor Dog.  It's got to be getting harder and harder to not defend the Pride of New York.  

 

 

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"In the first email sent from Goldstone to Trump, the music publicist explicitly told the elder Trump son that he was offering information to the Trump campaign that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

“The Crown prosecutor of Russia… offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” Goldstone wrote. “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

Where is the story about adoptions? and yes, the attorney fo the younger Trump likely just jumped out of the 56th floor window of his office.

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8 hours ago, dylan winter said:

your brillaint incisive prose in these fora no longer belongs to you

 

you signed them away when you joined up.

 

All those millions of words I wrote for the BBC belong to them " in perpetuity and in the known and as yet unknown universe" - which pretty much covers it.

Didn't say anything about the current ownership of the posts.  There is nothing to prevent gathering the posts into volumes and publishing them. There is nothing stopping Scott from agreeing to divvy up the proceeds. 

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White House: "The woman was not a government attorney"

2nd email page: "Erin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and the Russian Government attorney." 

LOL

LOL

LOL
 

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18 minutes ago, saxdog said:

Putin must be enjoying the chaos.

Well, it certainly keeps the democrats distracted while Trump gets ready to pack the court and implement border controls.

 

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We're not getting a wall are we?

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Just now, bhyde said:

We're not getting a wall are we?

We will if everyone would just contribute the $2500 they are saving on health insurance.

Slapping some taxes on remittances would just about do it.

 

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I suspect the leakers are from Trump Tower. That's where the meeting took place, that's where any emails relative to the meeting would have been received.

 

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2 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

We will if everyone would just contribute the $2500 they are saving on health insurance.

Slapping some taxes on remittances would just about do it.

 

I will not pay for Trump's stupidity.

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1 minute ago, Saorsa said:

We will if everyone would just contribute the $2500 they are saving on health insurance.

Slapping some taxes on remittances would just about do it.

 

I thought Mexico was paying for it. Isn't that what Donald said?

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16 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

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His lawyer: not loving it.  

Is it Illigal for a country to support a candidate in our elections?  Didn't Obama actually support a campaign against Bibi?  Just a few interesting questions

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/26/obama-campaign-team-arrives-in-israel-to-defeat-netanyahu-in-march-elections/

Just days after the Obama White House accused House Speaker John Boehner of “breaking protocol” by inviting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to address a joint session of Congress, a team of up to five Obama campaign operatives has reportedly arrived in Israel to lead a campaign to defeat the Israeli Prime Minister in upcoming national elections scheduled for March 17.

The anti-Netanyahu, left wing Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports a group called “One Voice,” reportedly funded by American donors, is paying for the Obama campaign team. That group is reportedly being led by Obama’s 2012 field director Jeremy Bird.

 

Collusion is bad sometimes.

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6 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

Is it Illigal for a country to support a candidate in our elections?  Didn't Obama actually support a campaign against Bibi?  Just a few interesting questions

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/26/obama-campaign-team-arrives-in-israel-to-defeat-netanyahu-in-march-elections/

Just days after the Obama White House accused House Speaker John Boehner of “breaking protocol” by inviting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to address a joint session of Congress, a team of up to five Obama campaign operatives has reportedly arrived in Israel to lead a campaign to defeat the Israeli Prime Minister in upcoming national elections scheduled for March 17.

The anti-Netanyahu, left wing Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports a group called “One Voice,” reportedly funded by American donors, is paying for the Obama campaign team. That group is reportedly being led by Obama’s 2012 field director Jeremy Bird.

 

Collusion is bad sometimes.

Here's the law.  if the Obama folks solicited accepted or received a thing of value from a foreign national, they could be subject to the same law that might apply to Donzo Jr.  

http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title52-section30121&num=0&edition=prelim

 

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§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition

It shall be unlawful for-

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, bhyde said:

I thought Mexico was paying for it. Isn't that what Donald said?

That's the tax on remittances.  It taxes the mexicans who are here already to keep the competition out.  It's a pure capitalist idea.

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2 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

That's the tax on remittances.  It taxes the mexicans who are here already to keep the competition out.  It's a pure capitalist idea.

Can we call it "The Mexican Tax?" That would play well to the base.

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5 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

That's the tax on remittances.  It taxes the mexicans who are here already to keep the competition out.  It's a pure capitalist idea.

Oh boy, most Mexicans make minimum wage, certainly can't afford lawyers to fight this. Yup, Trump bashes the segment that he knows he can roll over. Sarosa, you must be so pleased. Just hope you're not next on Trump's list.

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Aaaaand the Times has a copy of the email chain.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/trump-russia-email-clinton.html

 

Someone is playing this really well, and the Progeny of the Pride of New York is playing it very badly.  They release enough general stuff to get Donzo Jr. to make a specific response, (and get the propagandists to take a position) and then dump the actual email to show that the response was bullshit.  Fucking awesome work.  

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I bet Jared Kushner is upset that this email proves he lied on his SF 86 security form.

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

I suspect the leakers are from Trump Tower. That's where the meeting took place, that's where any emails relative to the meeting would have been received.

 

You ARE aware that emails are not delivered to a physical address, aren't you?

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On 7/9/2017 at 6:58 AM, My name is Legion said:

 

Don't fuck with my posts asshole. You're just a weak cunt that can't form an argument. Go back to your glue pot Huff-inhale.

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21 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Aaaaand the Times has a copy of the email chain.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/trump-russia-email-clinton.html

 

Someone is playing this really well, and the Progeny of the Pride of New York is playing it very badly.  They release enough general stuff to get Donzo Jr. to make a specific response, (and get the propagandists to take a position) and then dump the actual email to show that the response was bullshit.  Fucking awesome work.  

Yes it's being expertly orchestrated. Could it be Christie?

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Just now, saxdog said:

 

Yes it's being expertly orchestrated. Could it be Christy?

You know Christie has still got to be steamed at how Jared got him booted.  It seems putting someone's father in jail could lead to a grudge.

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It seems unlikely but Giuliani could be the guy too. Both were thrown under the bus by DJT Sr. 

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Why has Guiliani been so quiet lately? Is it possible the man with all the law enforcement and FBI connections is getting revenge for being ignored for a position in this government?

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10 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

You know Christie has still got to be steamed at how Jared got him booted.  It seems putting someone's father in jail could lead to a grudge.

If he holds grudges the way Trump does, certainly a possibility.

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The next question has to be just who knew and when did they know it? The platform of the Republican Party was changed suddenly to reflect a new cooperation with Russia and the GOP went along with it without a peep. How many in leadership were aware of what was going on? Plainly, a lot of important people could be going down for this if it pans out.

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Ezra Klein:

Trump Jr.’s behavior was not just wrong. It was staggeringly, astonishingly incompetent. He didn’t just engage in a conspiracy to enlist a foreign government to help win an election, he left written records proving that that was what he had done.

 

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13 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

The next question has to be just who knew and when did they know it? The platform of the Republican Party was changed suddenly to reflect a new cooperation with Russia and the GOP went along with it without a peep. How many in leadership were aware of what was going on? Plainly, a lot of important people could be going down for this if it pans out.

Many, very, very many.

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Uh oh.  Sounds like Sen. Graham may be starting to suffer from a bout of not understanding the world in which we live....

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/341460-graham-trump-jr-emails-disturbing-and-very-problematic

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"Anytime you're in a campaign and you get an offer from a foreign government to help your campaign, the answer is no," Graham told reporters.

"So I don't know what Mr. Trump Jr.'s version of the facts are. Definitely — he has to testify. That email is disturbing."

 

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28 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

LOL, I haven't heard the name Clinton in weeks and probably won't in the future, the laser-like focus is on one group of people now, and it isn't going anywhere else.

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Mica Mosbacher : Donald Jnr was just curious, nothing to see, nothing anyone else would not do!"

ROFL

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Just now, badlatitude said:

LOL, I haven't heard the name Clinton in weeks and probably won't in the future, the laser-like focus is one one group of people now, and it isn't going anywhere else.

Keep Dreaming Sarosa, enjoy it while you can.

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This has the possibility of becoming Trumps Benghazi.

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What this matter needs is The Master.  

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For the record, I must admit that I found a bottle of Russian Dressing in the back of my refrigerator, which I had completely forgotten about.  Very un-memorable.  

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Funny how the subject of the email was not "Help with adopting wee Russians"  or "Meet hot Russian babes and adopt them."   

 

The email’s subject line reads “Russia - Clinton - private and confidential."

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I am wondering if by chance this young man is not very bright. 

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Just now, Sol Rosenberg said:

I am wondering if by chance this young man is not very bright. 

A lot of public masturbation going on over Donnie Jr. like a covey of quail flew out of everyone's ass at the same time. 

This aint going no where except on the drapes just like the loads that have been getting blown all day.

That treasonous little bastard's 15 minutes of fame then back to nobody once again branded in public with a tire track down his back.

How dare he?

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8 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

I am wondering if by chance this young man is not very bright. 

You might be on to something. 

 

Daily Beast -

Excerpt

“Fredo” Trump

The series of revelations surrounding Trump Jr.’s communications with Russian officials have damaged his standing within the president’s political inner circle. As The Daily Beast reported on Sunday, opinion of Trump’s eldest son among some of Trump’s senior aides, both past and present, is vanishingly low. Since the campaign, a popular, behind-his-back nickname for Trump Jr. within among these advisers has been “Fredo,” referring to Fredo Corleone, the insecure and weak failure of a son in The Godfather series who ends up causing major damage to the family.

Over the past week, one senior White House official and a former top Trump campaign aide both independently and bluntly described the president’s son as an “idiot” — one who played a role in the campaign and Trump’s political rise simply because he “shares the same DNA,” the official noted.

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-aides-freaking-out-over-don-jrs-russia-email-the-sum-of-all-fears

 

 

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I get the sense that the non-supporters don't like Donzo's emails too much. 

Ar least OJ was smart enough to ditch the knife, and didn't post pictures of it online. 

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Can you imagine being an attorney hired by this crew?  They've got to be screaming for the Trump family to just STOP shooting tjemselves in the foot. 

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