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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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4 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Well trump's alibi for the day of that meeting just got blown out of the water, he wasn't at a rally in Florida, he was in Trump Tower.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/jul/14/corey-lewandowski/lewandowski-wrongly-says-trump-florida-day-trump-t/

Doesnt matter. 

This week proved you can lie, contradict yourself, repeatedly change your story and it won't shake the resolve of the Faithful in defending the Messiah. 

This is like a cult, and we see it in the moony-eyed responses of Saorsa, TM, and (to a somewhat lesser degree) Dig. 

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I don't know if this has already been posted but Shepard's about done with all this bullshit.

 

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So now it's a race. Does the checks and balances provided under the US constitution kick in before Trump can significantly dismember the future, and the legacy, of the US?

Feeling slightly pessimistic today, my thoughts are no. 

Hurry up Mueller. 

 

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1 minute ago, shaggybaxter said:

So now it's a race. Does the checks and balances provided under the US constitution kick in before Trump can significantly dismember the future, and the legacy, of the US?

Feeling slightly pessimistic today, my thoughts are no. 

Hurry up Mueller. 

 

Unless he gets tired of it and throws in the towel himself, the process will take a long time.

One school of thought suggests Congress can toss him for just about any offense - 

"What, then, is an impeachable offense? The only honest answer is that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history; conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of the other body considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal of the accused from office..." Congressman Gerald Ford, 116 Cong. Rec. H.3113-3114 (April 15, 1970).

A more common view is that an "indictable offense" is required.  

http://litigation.findlaw.com/legal-system/presidential-impeachment-the-legal-standard-and-procedure.html

Then there's the 25th amendment which is messier still -

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President"

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/05/no_the_25th_amendment_is_not_the_solution.html

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Pretty obvious at this point that Trump and his people are going to lie and cover up everything about their associations with Russian agents no matter how ridiculous the lies and how easily and promptly exposed they are.  Because the alternative, the truth about this becoming known, is worse for them.

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drip, drip, drip, Sol could not have named this thread better.

Evidence Suggests Russian Intelligence Pipeline To Trump Campaign

Source: HuffPo, AP

Days after Donald Trump Jr. hosted a group of Russians at Trump Tower promising to deliver damaging information on the Democratic National Committee and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, a hacker believed connected to the Russian government released a trove of documents online ― including ones that sound similar to those reportedly provided to Trump Jr. 

Ranit Akhmetshin, a Russian American lobbyist and former Soviet counterintelligence officer, told The Associated Press on Friday he took part in the meeting on June 9, 2016, along with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya. Akhmetshin said Veselnitskaya brought a folder full of documents, which he said she left behind after the meeting. 

The documents detailed the Democratic National Committee’s finances and funding sources, some of which Veselnitskaya described as unlawful, Akhmetshin told the AP. 

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Money did it!! It is all money's fault 

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34 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

drip, drip, drip, Sol could not have named this thread better.

Evidence Suggests Russian Intelligence Pipeline To Trump Campaign

Source: HuffPo, AP

Days after Donald Trump Jr. hosted a group of Russians at Trump Tower promising to deliver damaging information on the Democratic National Committee and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, a hacker believed connected to the Russian government released a trove of documents online ― including ones that sound similar to those reportedly provided to Trump Jr. 

Ranit Akhmetshin, a Russian American lobbyist and former Soviet counterintelligence officer, told The Associated Press on Friday he took part in the meeting on June 9, 2016, along with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya. Akhmetshin said Veselnitskaya brought a folder full of documents, which he said she left behind after the meeting. 

The documents detailed the Democratic National Committee’s finances and funding sources, some of which Veselnitskaya described as unlawful, Akhmetshin told the AP. 

Oh dear, who to trust in this ever increasingly entangled plot..A former (or possibly still active) soviet couter intell bod or the trumps?

If the Russians aim is to destablise the US gov, theyr'e now in a win/win.

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44 minutes ago, ease the sheet said:

Hopefully the Aussie dollar will jump soon. I got me some shopping to do!

No, thank you. At least not until I've paid for my new LiFePO4 cells in a few weeks...

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2 hours ago, cmilliken said:

 

I don't know if this has already been posted but Shepard's about done with all this bullshit.

 

FOX is the keystone. As long as they continue to defend him his approval ratings will continue to feature two digits, but worse...the R's fear moving against him. Cross FOX and they will put a D after your name faster than you can say "Newt Gingrich".    

 They are becoming uneasy...but it's not close enough to breaking Reagan's 11th Commandment to make a prediction they will. I think they will hold their nose up to the point where they come to believe the D's might win the House next year and they judge Trump to be the reason.  

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Everybody is turning on poor Gropenfuhrer 

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"In his first public interview about the meeting, Akhmetshin said he accompanied Veselnitskaya to Trump Tower where they met an interpreter. He said he had learned about the meeting only that day when Veselnitskaya asked him to attend. He said he showed up in jeans and a T-shirt.

Veselnitskaya brought with her a plastic folder with printed-out documents that detailed what she believed was the flow of illicit funds to the Democrats, Akhmetshin said. Veselnitskaya presented the contents of the documents to the Trump associates and suggested that making the information public could help the campaign, he said.

“This could be a good issue to expose how the DNC is accepting bad money,” Akhmetshin recalled her saying.

Trump Jr. asked the attorney if she had sufficient evidence to back up her claims, including whether she could demonstrate the flow of the money. But Veselnitskaya said the Trump campaign would need to research it more. After that, Trump Jr. lost interest, according to Akhmetshin.

“They couldn’t wait for the meeting to end,” he said".

https://apnews.com/dceed1008d8f45afb314aca65797762a/Russian-American-lobbyist-says-he-was-in-Trump-son's-meeting

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“It’s almost embarrassing being an American citizen… and listening to the stupid shit we have to deal with in this country.”

— J.P. Morgan CEO Jaime Dimon, quoted by CNBC.

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16 hours ago, shaggybaxter said:

I think I can gracefully retire now, MRleft8 and SV summed it up better than I could have managed to. 

There are some well spoken people across the political spectrum here. Some idiots too, but the well spoken ones keep me coming back.

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9 hours ago, Mark K said:

FOX is the keystone. As long as they continue to defend him his approval ratings will continue to feature two digits, but worse...the R's fear moving against him. Cross FOX and they will put a D after your name faster than you can say "Newt Gingrich".    

 They are becoming uneasy...but it's not close enough to breaking Reagan's 11th Commandment to make a prediction they will. I think they will hold their nose up to the point where they come to believe the D's might win the House next year and they judge Trump to be the reason.  

I think they are on the verge of cracking and throwing in the towell with trump

D

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12 hours ago, Gouvernail said:

Money did it!! It is all money's fault 

The real story here will end up being the money laundering case. That's what Donald Trump is afraid of, and that is Mueller's end game in all this. If it turns out Trump's election was funded by Russian money, it will be game over for a lot of people. The rest? that's the pretty wrapping paper and the bow.

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1 hour ago, dylan winter said:

I think they are on the verge of cracking and throwing in the towell with trump

D

Nope. Unless he changes the letter behind his name, he is good to go. He can do anything else and not lose his supporters. People of principle. 

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It is just like the Obama years, the only people announcing his imminent demise are the ones who never wanted him in the first place. 

the number of well known powerful turncoats remains insignificant  

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14 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

The real story here will end up being the money laundering case. That's what Donald Trump is afraid of, and that is Mueller's end game in all this. If it turns out Trump's election was funded by Russian money, it will be game over for a lot of people. The rest? that's the pretty wrapping paper and the bow.

I think that's right. 

What boggles the mind is why a man with a background like his would put himself in a position that would lead to this kind of scrutiny. Ego I guess. 

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11 minutes ago, Sean said:

I think that's right. 

What boggles the mind is why a man with a background like his would put himself in a position that would lead to this kind of scrutiny. Ego I guess. 

President Trump has lived his life using bullying tactics, obfuscation, and an army of attorneys to dodge figurative bullets. When you do that long enough, you start to think you are bullet-proof. 

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The story used to be  the first TV Superman, thinking he could actually fly, jumped out a window  to his death 

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Certainly nothing to this, eh?

09/10/2013: Preet Bharara indicts Prevezon for money laundering.

2013-2016 : Prevezon hires Natalia Veselnitskaya.

06/09/2016: Natalia Veselnitskaya contacts the Trumps and promises dirt on Hillary.

11/09/2016: Trump wins.

03/11/2017: Trump fires Preet Bharara.

05/12/2017: The Trump DOJ settles the $230 million Prevezon money laundering case for $6 million.

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1 hour ago, Sean said:

 

2 hours ago, badlatitude said:

The real story here will end up being the money laundering case. That's what Donald Trump is afraid of, and that is Mueller's end game in all this. If it turns out Trump's election was funded by Russian money, it will be game over for a lot of people. The rest? that's the pretty wrapping paper and the bow.

I think that's right. 

What boggles the mind is why a man with a background like his would put himself in a position that would lead to this kind of scrutiny. Ego I guess. 

 

I disagree. Trump could personally drop a nuke on a major US city and the Republican Party would shrug and say "well there's no proof and besides BENGHAZI and besides that's what we elected him to do." Most of the Trumpies here would excuse it by saying the country is better off without all those goddam Democrats living in that urban hell-hole and besides we wanted to burn the bitch down.

The country is truly fucked over by a party who hates it and people/voters who hate freedom and opportunity. And they excuse it by saying they are sick of having a liberal agenda rammed down their throats, when in fact the Republican Party has strong majorities in most state houses and for 16 out of the last 20 years in the US Congress. So who/what is it that they're angry at??? They don't know but they hate-hate-hate something.

-DSK

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10 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

I disagree. Trump could personally drop a nuke on a major US city and the Republican Party would shrug and say "well there's no proof and besides BENGHAZI and besides that's what we elected him to do." Most of the Trumpies here would excuse it by saying the country is better off without all those goddam Democrats living in that urban hell-hole and besides we wanted to burn the bitch down.

The country is truly fucked over by a party who hates it and people/voters who hate freedom and opportunity. And they excuse it by saying they are sick of having a liberal agenda rammed down their throats, when in fact the Republican Party has strong majorities in most state houses and for 16 out of the last 20 years in the US Congress. So who/what is it that they're angry at??? They don't know but they hate-hate-hate something.

-DSK

They hate that they aren't getting rich, and they believe the lies told to them by Hedge fund managers, and bankers, and lobbyists, that it's the democrats that are holding them back, with regulations, and rules, and laws.

I listen to the farmers around here that are absolutely positive that if they're allowed to use more chemicals on their crops that they'll get more money for them.... But if they're all using chemicals, then they'll all be producing bumper crops, which will drive the price down. The only ones making out are the chemical companies, and the hedge fund managers who low balled peanut/soy/corn prices.....

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6 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

They hate that they aren't getting rich, and they believe the lies told to them by Hedge fund managers, and bankers, and lobbyists, that it's the democrats that are holding them back, with regulations, and rules, and laws.

I listen to the farmers around here that are absolutely positive that if they're allowed to use more chemicals on their crops that they'll get more money for them.... But if they're all using chemicals, then they'll all be producing bumper crops, which will drive the price down. The only ones making out are the chemical companies, and the hedge fund managers who low balled peanut/soy/corn prices.....

Kinda like the period following WW1. Farmers were producing food for both sides of the Atlantic during the war. When the war ended, they still kept producing the same amount but, Europe didn't need is as much as before. That's why the gov. cut back on the average and gave subsidies for NOT planting..

 

Pretty simplistic explanation but, you get the idea.

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22 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

I listen to the farmers around here that are absolutely positive that if they're allowed to use more chemicals on their crops that they'll get more money for them.... But if they're all using chemicals, then they'll all be producing bumper crops, which will drive the price down. 

They need someone like Energy Secretary Scott to explain "supply and demand" to them. 

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4 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

They need someone like Energy Secretary Scott to explain "supply and demand" to them. 

Bus, isn't it dumbass Perry? No not, picking on you, just trying to correct this and I do make mistakes! "Scot Pruit" is the EPA. Regardless, both are flaming assholes.

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If people saw the vast piles of chemicals that get dumped on peanut fields several times a year, they might think twice about gobbling them down at happy hour.

Don't get me wrong, I love peanuts, and I'm not too particular who I buy them from, but watching the fields go from lush green, to sandy turned soil, to bright orange (weed killer before second/third plantings), and repeat over and over again, is pretty intimidating.

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2 minutes ago, SV Airlie said:

Bus, isn't it dumbass Perry? No not, picking on you, just trying to correct this and I do make mistakes!

I do believe you are correct.... Mr. "Duh.... I forgot the other positions I was going to abolish" is the current secretary of the department of Energy....... Thank god it wasn't Bush....... "Mr. Low Energy" himself.... :D

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1 minute ago, Mrleft8 said:

If people saw the vast piles of chemicals that get dumped on peanut fields several times a year, they might think twice about gobbling them down at happy hour.

Don't get me wrong, I love peanuts, and I'm not too particular who I buy them from, but watching the fields go from lush green, to sandy turned soil, to bright orange (weed killer before second/third plantings), and repeat over and over again, is pretty intimidating.

And washing those peanuts doesn't work. There's some chemical floating around that is causing a lot of grief; it's being applied to crops that are genetically altered to be resistant to this chemical. The problem is, this chemical is drifting on the same type of crop that hasn't been altered and not resistant. Bang, lots off "pissed off" farmers out there. Don't recall the name of this shit but, it's in the news.

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6 minutes ago, SV Airlie said:

And washing those peanuts doesn't work. There's some chemical floating around that is causing a lot of grief; it's being applied to crops that are genetically altered to be resistant to this chemical. The problem is, this chemical is drifting on the same type of crop that hasn't been altered and not resistant. Bang, lots off "pissed off" farmers out there. Don't recall the name of this shit but, it's in the news.

dicampa

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/07/06/535669282/damage-from-wayward-weedkiller-keeps-growing

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4 minutes ago, Fat Point Jack said:

Thanks for looking it up. Just be another pesticide or herbicide I'll have to deal with being a beekeeper.

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In theory my farming neighbors are supposed to inform me when using chemicals that may harm my citrus/apple/peach crops, or harm my bees, but I never hear anything. And suddenly the crop duster does a turn around over my fields, and I get residual blow off from the wands..... May be what killed my bees last year. In theory I'm supposed to turn on all my irrigation sprayers, and set up a shower water spray over my hives to prevent damage from blow by, but that's not feasible.

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8 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

In theory my farming neighbors are supposed to inform me when using chemicals that may harm my citrus/apple/peach crops, or harm my bees, but I never hear anything. And suddenly the crop duster does a turn around over my fields, and I get residual blow off from the wands..... May be what killed my bees last year. In theory I'm supposed to turn on all my irrigation sprayers, and set up a shower water spray over my hives to prevent damage from blow by, but that's not feasible.

I thought that was fowl brood? I don't know of any connection between pesticides/ herbicides and foul brood but, no one can say for sure. 

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I thought the whole basis of USA GM farming, was Monsanto have replaced bees with GM crops that just crave being grown beeless?

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55 minutes ago, SV Airlie said:

Bus, isn't it dumbass Perry? No not, picking on you, just trying to correct this and I do make mistakes! "Scot Pruit" is the EPA. Regardless, both are flaming assholes.

Whoops. You are correct. 

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We've got a big Zika virus fear campaign down here in FL and the insecticide crews are busy killing pretty much everything.  There has been a huge decline in butterflies for example and dragonfly hatches don't seem to last long.  I used to find guys like this by the dozens with one walk around the house.

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Now, nowhere near as many.

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1 minute ago, Saorsa said:

We've got a big Zika virus fear campaign down here in FL and the insecticide crews are busy killing pretty much everything.  There has been a huge decline in butterflies for example and dragonfly hatches don't seem to last long.  I used to find guys like this by the dozens with one walk around the house.

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Now, nowhere near as many.

Thank Trump, he's gotten these regulations to protect these inconsequential invertebrates. DOW chemical, for one, thanks you.

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4 minutes ago, SV Airlie said:

Thank Trump, he's gotten these regulations to protect these inconsequential invertebrates. DOW chemical, for one, thanks you.

The Zika scare and federal environmental regulations related to it came about on Obama's watch.  Of course, the state didn't and isn't helping.  Can't let people think that coming to Orlando might be dangerous.

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9 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

The Zika scare and federal environmental regulations related to it came about on Obama's watch.  Of course, the state didn't and isn't helping.  Can't let people think that coming to Orlando might be dangerous.

Also, irradiating mosquitoes make males sterile and they are released and are shooting blanks, no new generations. But, that's a bit more expensive when the chemicals sprayed create resistant mosquitoes. How dare we put money ahead of a medical issue, so Republican.

 

You're as bad as Dabs Saorsa. Can't see a tree when looking at a forest. Go spin your shit elsewhere, it's drying on my sidewalk.

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Dragonflies seem to be doing a good job here on the Alabama Gulf. 

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4 minutes ago, Rasputin22 said:

Dragonflies seem to be doing a good job here on the Alabama Gulf. 

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They are here but, not in large numbers. Then, we don't have the Zika Virus yet. Expect it in a few years. Heck twenty years ago, we didn't have those mosquitoes carrying Heart worm for dogs, now we do.

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26 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

We've got a big Zika virus fear campaign down here in FL and the insecticide crews are busy killing pretty much everything.  There has been a huge decline in butterflies for example and dragonfly hatches don't seem to last long.  I used to find guys like this by the dozens with one walk around the house.

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Now, nowhere near as many.

 

Yep.

Big big problem.

We have lots of mosquitoes too and the fundie churches are always screeching "How do we KNOW that mosquitoes don't spread AIDS or Ebola etc etc" so I'm amazed the gummint isn't spraying plutonium or something. Remember it could always be worse.

-DSK

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7 hours ago, dylan winter said:

I think they are on the verge of cracking and throwing in the towell with trump

D

 I don't think they are on the verge, but are being forced to nod to the unimaginable, praying they won't have to shake its filthy hand. 

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I have seen one dragonfly this year. No bats. Very few Bluebirds, or Phoebes.... Lots of mosquitoes.

And no....... My bees were not the victim of foul brood, as I had suspected, but the Ag agent said there was no evidence of it... He had no concrete explanation, but his best guess was "Environmental conditions"..... IE: pesticides.

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21 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

I have seen one dragonfly this year. No bats. Very few Bluebirds, or Phoebes.... Lots of mosquitoes.

And no....... My bees were not the victim of foul brood, as I had suspected, but the Ag agent said there was no evidence of it... He had no concrete explanation, but his best guess was "Environmental conditions"..... IE: pesticides.

Or you had the hives facing the wrong way and he was too polite to say so. :sofa:

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38 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Or you had the hives facing the wrong way and he was too polite to say so. :sofa:

Sh'up Meli.

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Just now, Mrleft8 said:

Sh'up Meli.

:D Just yanking your chain 

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LA Times -

Eighth man at Trump Tower meeting was focus of congressional probe into Russian money laundering in 2000

 

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-eighth-man-at-trump-tower-meeting-also-1500404743-htmlstory.html

excerpt -

The California businessman who took part in a meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a Russian lawyer in June 2016 was the focus of a congressional inquiry into possible Russian money laundering in November 2000.

Irakly (Ike) Kaveladze, who immigrated to the United States from the former Soviet republic of Georgia in the early 1990s, set up 2,000 corporations in Delaware for Russian brokers, according to the report by an arm of Congress that is now known as the Government Accountability Office.

Some of the corporations operated as shell companies and were used to move about $1.4 billion through more than 100 accounts at Citibank of New York and the Commercial Bank of San Francisco, the GAO report said.

“These banking activities raise questions about whether the U.S. banks were used to launder money,” said the report.

The banks said "no illegal activity in the Kaveladze-related accounts" was found, but they closed the accounts after they were contacted by investigators.  

 

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.... And then there's that second hour long tete a tete with Putin and only a Russian translator at the G-20...... (Well..... G-19+1....)

Who'd a thunk that anyone would notice that meeting that wasn't on the agenda, or mentioned by the White house..... :rolleyes:

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ANOTHER money-launderer in the house...but it was about "Adoptions",  eh ?

And why WOULD they be discussing adoptions,  anyway ?   Oh yeah - the closure of the adoption of Russian orphans (at the injury of young Russian children) by American families was in retaliation for American sanctions....so - when you hear " Adoptions "  understand that it Equals :   Removal of Sanctions,  established by congress.

Quid Pro Quo   ( This in exchange for That ) the Ruskies were deal-making ahead of the election,  you know - right before another wave of Russian money hit Trump's accounts.

Nah,  that's not collusion.... ( the fuck it ain't ! ) 

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I can see President Trump giving a big "Meh" to calls for revoking the Security Clearance of Jared.

I don't see him having the same reaction when calls are made to revoke the Security Clearance of his favorite daughter.

Linky

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Mueller looking into Deutche Bank business with Trump. Follow the money -

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/business/big-german-bank-key-to-trumps-finances-faces-new-scrutiny.html

Big German Bank, Key to Trump’s Finances, Faces New Scrutiny

 

Excerpt -

During the presidential campaign, Donald J. Trump pointed to his relationship with Deutsche Bank to counter reports that big banks were skeptical of doing business with him.

After a string of bankruptcies in his casino and hotel businesses in the 1990s, Mr. Trump became somewhat of an outsider on Wall Street, leaving the giant German bank among the few major financial institutions willing to lend him money.

Now that two-decades-long relationship is coming under scrutiny.

Banking regulators are reviewing hundreds of millions of dollars in loans made to Mr. Trump’s businesses through Deutsche Bank’s private wealth management unit, which caters to an ultrarich clientele, according to three people briefed on the review who were not authorized to speak publicly. The regulators want to know if the loans might expose the bank to heightened risks.

Separately, Deutsche Bank has been in contact with federal investigators about the Trump accounts, according to two people briefed on the matter. And the bank is expecting to eventually have to provide information to Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel overseeing the federal investigation into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia.

 

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Follow the money, they said.

"Financial records filed last year in the secretive tax haven of Cyprus, where Paul J. Manafort kept bank accounts during his years working in Ukraine and investing with a Russian oligarch, indicate that he had been in debt to pro-Russia interests by as much as $17 million before he joined Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign in March 2016."

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1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

Follow the money, they said.

"Financial records filed last year in the secretive tax haven of Cyprus, where Paul J. Manafort kept bank accounts during his years working in Ukraine and investing with a Russian oligarch, indicate that he had been in debt to pro-Russia interests by as much as $17 million before he joined Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign in March 2016."

He's had a good year though; estimated net worth is about $30 mil. 

Who knew there's so much money in political consulting?

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Whoops

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-lawyer-exclusive-idUSKBN1A61LZ

 

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The Russian lawyer who met Donald Trump Jr. after his father won the Republican nomination for the 2016 U.S. presidential election counted Russia's FSB security service among her clients for years, Russian court documents seen by Reuters show.

 

So...how many of these meetings were there?  

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2 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Doesn't matter.

We have been told by Junior nothing came of it.  Therefore, we should act like it never happened.

And if that is repeated enough, it should become the truth without question, at least for the relative-truth folks.  That's why there is talk about pardons, six months into a term.... 

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Someone should create a flowchart to track all the drips, where they originate and end up.  The constant dripping is driving some people to just turn off and tune out. 

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On 20/07/2017 at 1:21 PM, Sean said:

 

He's had a good year though; estimated net worth is about $30 mil. 

Who knew there's so much money in political consulting?

Imagine a big earner like him in charge, rather than someone who spends more than that, in the same period, baby sitting his kid & missus and time out private golf weekends? The USA trillion$ of deficit would be a memory in a short time and America would be made grear again!

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24 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

Someone should create a flowchart to track all the drips, where they originate and end up.  The constant dripping is driving some people to just turn off and tune out. 

My bet would be that there is just such a flowchart somewhere in the office where Robert Mueller and his staff are working.  

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On 7/19/2017 at 11:21 PM, Sean said:

 

He's had a good year though; estimated net worth is about $30 mil. 

Who knew there's so much money in political consulting?

Every fucking lobbyist in DC.

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I wonder if muellers proposed budget will be made public

and will the gao audit 6 month expenditures and make the results public

or neither

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21 minutes ago, hermetic said:

I wonder if muellers proposed budget will be made public

and will the gao audit 6 month expenditures and make the results public

or neither

Right after Trump gives us his tax returns!

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Something tells me that the guy who joined the Marines and volunteered for Vietnam is not going to be terribly afraid of attacks by the guy who had sore feet when the draft came-a-knocking, regardless of whether or not he is the Pride of New York.  

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45 minutes ago, hermetic said:

I wonder if muellers proposed budget will be made public

and will the gao audit 6 month expenditures and make the results public

or neither

I could be way off, but I thought I remembered that Starr's investigation rang up about 40 million.  And all he came up with was that Clinton lied about a few hummers.  Let's assume 10 BJs, so 4 million per BJ?  I apologize if I have the numbers wrong but the 40 sticks in my mind. 

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3 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:
3 hours ago, hermetic said:

I wonder if muellers proposed budget will be made public

and will the gao audit 6 month expenditures and make the results public

or neither

I could be way off, but I thought I remembered that Starr's investigation rang up about 40 million.  And all he came up with was that Clinton lied about a few hummers.  Let's assume 10 BJs, so 4 million per BJ?  I apologize if I have the numbers wrong but the 40 sticks in my mind.

Mueller and his posse will blow through $40M in a year or less

i hope they end up with something more than flynn, manafort, and the leakers

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3 minutes ago, hermetic said:

Mueller and his posse will blow through $40M in a year or less

i hope they end up with something more than flynn, manafort, and the leakers

I have a hunch President Trump's reaction to this investigation indicates Mueller is likely to grant your wish.

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3 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

I could be way off, but I thought I remembered that Starr's investigation rang up about 40 million.  And all he came up with was that Clinton lied about a few hummers.  Let's assume 10 BJs, so 4 million per BJ?  I apologize if I have the numbers wrong but the 40 sticks in my mind. 

I think it was one blowjob and dork snot on the blue dress.

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46 minutes ago, hermetic said:

Mueller and his posse will blow through $40M in a year or less

i hope they end up with something more than flynn, manafort, and the leakers

I hope for that money they get more than a blow job.

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5 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

My bet would be that there is just such a flowchart somewhere in the office where Robert Mueller and his staff are working.  

I don't know if he can see Trump's tax returns without a subpoena. Can he? Wondering because he is employed by Uncle Sam...which seems (to me) a significant distinction from a civil-suit lawyer working for a client....and Uncle Sam holds the returns.  

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the tax returns don't mean shit to mueller

his attack dogs want to see corporate and banking records

they'll fail at that

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15 minutes ago, hermetic said:

the tax returns don't mean shit to mueller

his attack dogs want to see corporate and banking records

they'll fail at that

They meant something to us and he promised to release them. Just another example he's would get lost among the rest. You and your idol better hope they fail to find any. He's guilty as hell and knows it. Otherwise he wouldn't care if they dug into anything but, apparently, he does care. Wonder why if he's innocent?.

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9 minutes ago, hermetic said:

the tax returns don't mean shit to mueller

his attack dogs want to see corporate and banking records

they'll fail at that

 

 

DEUTSCHE BANK IS TURNING OVER INFORMATION ON TRUMP

Regulators are scrutinizing hundreds of millions in loans and a subpoena from Robert Mueller is expected.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/donald-trump-deutsche-bank-russia

 

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The New York Times reports that banking regulators are currently “reviewing hundreds of millions of dollars in loans made to Mr. Trump’s businesses through Deutsche Bank’s private wealth management unit . . . to [see] if the loans might expose the bank to heightened risk.” Meanwhile, the Guardian reports that executives at Deutsche are “expecting that the bank will soon be receiving subpoenas or other requests for information from Robert Mueller,” and that the special counsel’s investigative team and the bank have “already established informal contact in connection to the federal investigation.”

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The real issue is that the Clinton campaign contacted the Ukrainians and tried to get them to hack Donald Trumps emails and corrupt the election.....

Can't you people see the real crime committed by crooked Hillary, the butcher of Benghazi!?

 

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Ya know, It makes one wonder if Trump really meant to win last year.

His campaign alone would have raised his business and public profile even if he lost..and made him lots and pots of money..without anyone needing to ever look into his tax returns or his and family dealings with Russia or Russians. How much did he make from the campaign alone in merchandise?

His campaign was fun for him..basking in the glow of adoring dupes day after day is a narcissists wet dream.

He must have had legal advise about the pitfalls he would face with these conflicts.

I just simply can't believe that his kids, legal and business advisors and especially his son in law must have told him  the dangers.

Well he's certainly not having fun anymore...I forget..did he actually have a victory speech prepared?

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4 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Ya know, It makes one wonder if Trump really meant to win last year.

I don't think he even meant to win the nomination. His outlandish, "they'd never elect a guy who said this" shit started well before he cinched the nomination. I think he was hoping he'd lose to reasonable voters... and forgot how little of them there are proportionally speaking. :rolleyes:

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Trump is much like the dog that chased the car.  Caught the car and has absolutely no idea what to do with it. 

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10 minutes ago, jerseyguy said:

Trump is much like the dog that chased the car.  Caught the car and has absolutely no idea what to do with it. 

Yeah, when you think about it it's really sad..The most powerful position in the world drops into your lap and all you can do is tweet meaningless drivel and play golf on the weekends.

What an uninspired idiot.

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9 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Yeah, when you think about it it's really sad..The most powerful position in the world drops into your lap and all you can do is tweet meaningless drivel and play golf on the weekends.

What an uninspired idiot.

The Pride of New York is anything but uninspired.  

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9 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Yeah, when you think about it it's really sad..The most powerful position in the world drops into your lap and all you can do is tweet meaningless drivel and play golf on the weekends.

What an uninspired idiot.

Twitter provides Trump with the opportunity to go directly to Real Americans with the important issues. Like Hillary Clinton. This mornings news -

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

10m

My son Donald openly gave his e-mails to the media & authorities whereas Crooked Hillary Clinton deleted (& acid washed) her 33,000 e-mails!

 

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

·

23m

...What about all of the Clinton ties to Russia, including Podesta Company, Uranium deal, Russian Reset, big dollar speeches etc.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

27m

So many people are asking why isn't the A.G. or Special Council looking at the many Hillary Clinton or Comey crimes. 33,000 e-mails deleted?

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14 hours ago, Bent Sailor said:

I don't think he even meant to win the nomination. His outlandish, "they'd never elect a guy who said this" shit started well before he cinched the nomination. I think he was hoping he'd lose to reasonable voters... and forgot how little of them there are proportionally speaking. :rolleyes:

His only reason for running was to negotiate higher fees for his FAKE reality TV shows.

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Gropenfuhrer is still masterfully manipulating the media to continue his reign of destruction on our  constitutional republic.

the instant the investigation into his administrations absurdjy unethical or illegal behavior focuses  and starts to become clearly  understandable 

BOOM!!

They drop another bomb and grab all the attention to the newest ourtageous attack on decency.

this one should have ended it 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Gouvernail said:

Gropenfuhrer is still masterfully manipulating the media to continue his reign of destruction on our  constitutional republic.

 

He's doing more damage to our country than Paterno did to Penn State! 

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1 minute ago, Clove Hitch said:

He's doing more damage to our country than Paterno did to Penn State! 

Please Visit this site for an hour or two and see how the Sandusky scandal compares to the making of Gropenfuhrer.

http://www.framingpaterno.com//

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On 7/13/2017 at 0:46 PM, badlatitude said:

That's good to know; I hadn't read that. Jared Kushner had no problem updating his records why can't Jeff Sessions?

"Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner was required to disclose any contacts he had with foreign nationals as a precondition for getting a White House security clearance — but his initial disclosure reportedly omitted more than 100 different contacts.

In a New York Times report about the Trump family’s latest attempts to cope with the Russian scandal, sources reveal that Kushner has updated his foreign contacts disclosure list three separate times since first getting his security clearance — and has added “more than 100 names” to the list. 

The list of foreign contacts must be submitted to the FBI as a prerequisite for getting a White House security clearance, and knowingly omitting foreign contacts can carry significant legal consequences. Earlier reports have revealed that Kushner failed to disclose multiple foreign contacts to the FBI before obtaining his security clearance, although the Times’ report is the first to indicate that Kushner’s omissions go into the hundreds. 

Several Democratic lawmakers have been demanding that Kushner has his security clearance revoked over his multiple disclosure failures, and the Trump White House this week refused to answer questions about whether Kushner’s security clearance is still operative."

 http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/kushner-adds-more-than-100-names-of-foreign-contacts-he-initially-left-out-of-required-forms-report/

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Edit to add: The omission was for meetings connected to his Senate activities, did he list activity outside his duties?

 

It ain't over. Maybe Jared should've filled out those forms using a pencil.  It turns out he "inadvertently omitted" more than $10 million in assets.  How the f*ck do you do that?

I am sure one of the faithful will be along in short order to dismiss/minimize/deflect.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/kushner-adds-least-10m-assets-revised-disclosure/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=pbsofficial&utm_campaign=newshour

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2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

It ain't over. Maybe Jared should've filled out those forms using a pencil.  It turns out he "inadvertently omitted" more than $10 million in assets.  How the f*ck do you do that?

I am sure one of the faithful will be along in short order to dismiss/minimize/deflect.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/kushner-adds-least-10m-assets-revised-disclosure/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=pbsofficial&utm_campaign=newshour

There's no good answer. He could say well my net worth is $741 million, but then he looks like an obnoxious ass. He could say he is $1 billion in debt and then he looks like an incompetent ass.

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7 hours ago, badlatitude said:

There's no good answer. He could say well my net worth is $741 million, but then he looks like an obnoxious ass. He could say he is $1 billion in debt and then he looks like an incompetent ass.

He needs to pick one story, and stick with it. A complete and honest accounting would be nice.

These "revisions" to his declarations seem to come right around the time he is about to be exposed as having been less than honest and complete. Whether or not he is intentionally trying to hide and deceive is no longer the point. He is providing people with opportunities and evidence that he is dishonest. 

If this were anyone else, he would have lost their security clearance. 

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3 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

He needs to pick one story, and stick with it. A complete and honest accounting would be nice.

These "revisions" to his declarations seem to come right around the time he is about to be exposed as having been less than honest and complete. Whether or not he is intentionally trying to hide and deceive is no longer the point. He is providing people with opportunities and evidence that he is dishonest. 

If this were anyone else, he would have lost their security clearance. 

The folks in this administration are remarkably forgetful.  

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7 hours ago, badlatitude said:

There's no good answer. He could say well my net worth is $741 million, but then he looks like an obnoxious ass. He could say he is $1 billion in debt and then he looks like an incompetent ass.

How are those statements exclusive?

 

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