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Guiliani has dementia.

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42 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Guiliani has dementia.

That's very possible. His latest 'legal' opinion:  Trump could shoot Comey and couldn't be indicted.

Giuliani: Trump Could Have Shot Comey And Still Couldn't Be Indicted For It

Candidate Donald Trump bragged that he could shoot someone on New York’s Fifth Avenue and not lose any support, and now President Donald Trump’s lawyer says Trump could shoot the FBI director in the Oval Office and still not be prosecuted for it. 

“In no case can he be subpoenaed or indicted,” Rudy Giuliani told HuffPost Sunday, claiming a president’s constitutional powers are that broad. “I don’t know how you can indict while he’s in office. No matter what it is.” 

Giuliani said impeachment was the initial remedy for a president’s illegal behavior ― even in the extreme hypothetical case of Trump having shot former FBI Director James Comey to end the Russia investigation rather than just firing him. 

“If he shot James Comey, he’d be impeached the next day,” Giuliani said. “Impeach him, and then you can do whatever you want to do to him.” 

Norm Eisen, the White House ethics lawyer under President Barack Obama and now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, said the silliness of Giuliani’s claim illustrates how mistaken Trump’s lawyers are about presidential power. 

“A president could not be prosecuted for murder? Really?” he said. “It is one of many absurd positions that follow from their argument. It is self-evidently wrong.” 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-shoot-comey_us_5b145897e4b02143b7cd633e 

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11 hours ago, RKoch said:

Giuliani Attempts to Clarify Conflicting Statements on Trump Tower Meeting: ‘Our Recollection Keeps Changing’

"That statement is no longer operative".

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2 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

"That statement is no longer operative".

Ghouliani is the gift that keeps on giving. Perhaps Trumps strategy is to make Mueller die of laughter?....

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7 hours ago, RKoch said:

Sounds like Trump got word Manafort is cutting a deal.

 

FUN FACT: Trump hasn’t tweeted about Paul Manafort in 7 months. This mornin’ he’s already tweeted about him twice.

I wonder if Manafort told Mueller, "Hey, I'm not going to roll. Trump will pardon me." To which Mueller replied, "Not if he is in jail or impeached buddy."

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Is that some kind of new weird reference?

How many people, or who, you can shoot and get away with it?

Seems creepy.

Worse than bulls-eyes on faces to me.

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52 minutes ago, bhyde said:

 

I wonder if Manafort told Mueller, "Hey, I'm not going to roll. Trump will pardon me." To which Mueller replied, "Not if he is in jail or impeached buddy."

As I understand, Manafort's business partner, Rick Gates, is already talking to Mueller's team. That can't be good for Mueller. Together, they were hit with a 12 count indictment last fall, that included failing to register as a foreign lobbyist. Then this past Feb they were hit with a combined 30-count indictment that includes money-laundering, bank fraud, and failure to pay taxes for 10 years. 

Manafort's has been arguing that the charges fall outside the scope of Mueller's authority. A judge has already rejected that argument. Besides, the charges could always be refilled in a Federal Court, so it's a moot point. Since some of their activity occurred overseas, in Ukraine, Greece, etc,  it's possible that charges are being prepared in those countries, or in the country of home office of bank(s) he defrauded. If Trump pardons him before trial, it only adds a further obstruction charge to those Trump already may be facing. And if pardoned, he might be extradited to a foreign country to face their charges. IDK if Trumps legal team is smart enough to figure that out...Mueller is consistently several moves ahead of them. But perhaps they were warned, and that's why Trump was quiet on Twitter about them.

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7 minutes ago, Mike G said:

Is that some kind of new weird reference?

How many people, or who, you can shoot and get away with it?

Seems creepy.

Worse than bulls-eyes on faces to me.

It's not new. It's a jibe at Trump stating back at the start of 2016 that he could stand on New York's Fifth Avenue, shoot someone, and not lose any voters. 

It is indeed quite a creepy thing to brag about. Given how unhinged his supporters have become around here, it doesn't seem to be too far off base either. Which is even creepier.

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17 minutes ago, Mike G said:

Is that some kind of new weird reference?

How many people, or who, you can shoot and get away with it?

Seems creepy.

Worse than bulls-eyes on faces to me.

It's just bullshit being flung by Ghouliani. He's a moron spewing that shit for the consumption of morons. If Trump were to shoot someone, he'd be arrested, charged, fingerprinted, and released on his own recognizance before Congress could sober up enough to call an impeachment hearing to order.   Ghouliani is trying to revisit Nixon's argument that 'if the president does it, it's not illegal'. That argument has already been shot down by the Supreme Court, which is why Nixon was pardoned.

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I can tell how the roller coaster of hope and despair this thread represents to the left might make some of you a little crazy so in the spirit of sympathy I hope this might cheer you up.

Image result for âRun, little Trumpling, run!â

 

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9 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

I can tell how the roller coaster of hope and despair this thread represents to the left might make some of you a little crazy

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the unconscious transfer of one's desires or emotions to another person.

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Accused of tampering with a witness.

 

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2 minutes ago, Mike G said:

Accused of tampering with a witness.

 

That's probably a state charge. Trump can't pardon. Hope the Trump Gang continues the stupid and charges are added.

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House arrest.  TWO ankle bracelets. 

"I'm pretty sure my cell phone is safe."

Imma just send me a few messages....

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20 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

goll durn. That crew is good!

  

Called "confining the cranes in their nest" stage. 

  More like confining geese though. They are honking ever more wildly. Maybe shitting themselves too. 

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Manafort used a Russian intel asset to tamper, witnesses, that's 100 on a scale of 1 to 10 of dumbness

 

"in the middle of a scandal featuring collusion with the Russian state, it seems Manafort relied on an asset of Russian intelligence to abet a plot to tamper with a witness." https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/paul-manafort-loses-his-cool/562034/ 

 
 



"in the middle of a scandal featuring collusion with the Russian state, it seems Manafort relied on an asset of Russian intelligence to abet a plot to tamper with a witness." 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/paul-manafort-loses-his-cool/562034/ 

By any rationale standard, Manafort should have long ago jettisoned his relationship with Kilminik. On two separate occasions, Mueller has described Kilimnik as having “ties to Russian intelligence.” Put differently, in the middle of a scandal featuring collusion with the Russian state, it seems Manafort relied on an asset of Russian intelligence to abet a plot to tamper with a witness. That’s hardly the work of a strategic genius. 
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How stupid would you have to be.......Can we put a figure yet on how much jail time he is going to get for this one. 
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Manafort? Never heard of the guy. Benghazi!!! Kneeling football players!!! Birth certificate!!!!

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Oops!

Here's the humiliating reason Paul Manafort got busted for alleged witness tampering





Here’s the humiliating reason Paul Manafort got busted for alleged witness tampering 


https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/heres-humiliating-reason-paul-manafort-got-busted-alleged-witness-tampering/ 

05 Jun 2018 at 09:37 ET 
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As Gizmodo reports, Manafort tried to use encrypted messaging services WhatsApp and Telegram as a way to send potentially incriminating messages without a chance of them getting intercepted by law enforcement officials. 


There was just one problem with Manafort’s scheme, however: He apparently had his encrypted messages over these apps backed up through Apple’s iCloud service. This is a problem because it seems that federal agents have a search warrant to conduct surveillance of Manafort’s iCloud data, and special counsel Robert Mueller’s office cited WhatsApp messages obtained via his iCloud account as evidence against him. 

Cloud computing services such as iCloud, Google Drive and DropBox can automatically back up files that you create on your devices to a web storage space where you can access them from other web-connected devices. 


This means that if you back up encrypted messages sent to other people through one of these services, anyone who has access to your cloud account can view them — even though they were encrypted when you sent them to someone else..............................

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Hello, Dog?

EXCLUSIVE: Former Fox News reporter says Russians colluded with Trump campaign through Roger Stone

Source: Think Progress

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In a series of exclusive interviews, former Fox News Channel chief political correspondent Carl Cameron explained to ThinkProgress how the Russians coordinated their cyber attack on the 2016 election with the Trump campaign. 
<snip> 

In his interviews with ThinkProgress, Cameron, who covered the Trump campaign for Fox News, connected the dots between the campaign, Russian intelligence, and the various Russian trolls around the world who were creating and viralizing memes and fake news on social media to help elect Trump. 
<snip> 

In 2016, Cameron explained, Stone helped Guccifer2.0 — who worked for Russian intelligence — and other Russian-backed groups boost an anti-Clinton narrative online targeted at key groups. Stone direct-messaged with Guccifer2.0 and WikiLeaks editor Julian Assange on Twitter in August 2016. 
<snip> 

As Cameron explained to ThinkProgress, a key goal of this coordination was to create opportunities for Russian intelligence and Russian trolls. The point was to viralize the anti-Clinton memes and narratives to suppress the vote for her. 


Read more: https://thinkprogress.org/former-fox-news-reporter-says-russia-coordinated-with-trump-campaign-595f6ddd09d8/ 

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Judge gives Manafort team until Friday to reply to witness tampering allegation

Source: The Washington Post



By Spencer S. Hsu 

June 5 at 12:49 PM 

A federal judge gave former Trump presidential campaign chairman Paul Manafort until Friday to respond to prosecutors’ allegations that he attempted to tamper with witnesses in his conspiracy and money laundering case. 

U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson of the District of Columbia set a June 15 hearing to weigh prosecutors’ demand that she revoke or tighten the terms of Manafort’s release while he is pending trial. Manafort, 69, has been on home detention. 

Prosecutors with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation accused Manafort and a longtime associate they linked to Russian intelligence of repeatedly contacting two members of a public relations firm and asking them to falsely testify about secret lobbying they did at Manafort’s behest. 

Manafort was asking the contacts, prosecutors contend, to say the lobbying was done in Europe and not in the U.S. Among the charges Manafort faces is that he failed to properly register with U.S. officials as a lobbyist for foreign interests.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/judge-gives-manafort-team-until-friday-to-reply-to-witness-tampering-allegation/2018/06/05/01c3ae82-68cb-11e8-bf8c-f9ed2e672adf_story.html 

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20 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

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18 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Hello, Dog?

EXCLUSIVE: Former Fox News reporter says Russians colluded with Trump campaign through Roger Stone

Source: Think Progress

gettyimages-roger-stone-donald-trump-russia.jpg

In a series of exclusive interviews, former Fox News Channel chief political correspondent Carl Cameron explained to ThinkProgress how the Russians coordinated their cyber attack on the 2016 election with the Trump campaign. 
<snip> 

In his interviews with ThinkProgress, Cameron, who covered the Trump campaign for Fox News, connected the dots between the campaign, Russian intelligence, and the various Russian trolls around the world who were creating and viralizing memes and fake news on social media to help elect Trump. 
<snip> 

In 2016, Cameron explained, Stone helped Guccifer2.0 — who worked for Russian intelligence — and other Russian-backed groups boost an anti-Clinton narrative online targeted at key groups. Stone direct-messaged with Guccifer2.0 and WikiLeaks editor Julian Assange on Twitter in August 2016. 
<snip> 

As Cameron explained to ThinkProgress, a key goal of this coordination was to create opportunities for Russian intelligence and Russian trolls. The point was to viralize the anti-Clinton memes and narratives to suppress the vote for her. 


Read more: https://thinkprogress.org/former-fox-news-reporter-says-russia-coordinated-with-trump-campaign-595f6ddd09d8/ 

I was just coming here to post that. IMO, it's increasing apparent that the Trump campaign and surrogates colluded with Russians and possibly other foreigners. Whether that made a difference is debatable. I'm skeptical. Both candidates were pretty well-known...Trump by his TV show and Clinton by her years as First Lady, junior Senator, Secretary of State, and two presidential campaigns. In Clinton's case, she dragged behind her a mile-long baggage train. Even without her numerous scandals resulting in convictions, she carried the stench of corruption, dishonesty, and sense of entitlement that pre-dated any Russian social media trolling by decades. Furthermore, she deliberately antagonized Obama supporters in '08 and Sanders supporters in '16. In short, while Trump illegally colluded with Russians, and deservedly deserves to be investigated and prosecuted, most likely Clinton herself and her poorly run campaign had far more to do with her loss than Russian social media trolls (which in any case paled in comparison to the nearly $2 billion worth in pro-Clinton media and social media presence). Clinton's own social media trolls alone, run by David Brock in coordination with her campaign,  far outpaced any Russian presence. 

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5 minutes ago, RKoch said:

I was just coming here to post that. IMO, it's increasing apparent that the Trump campaign and surrogates colluded with Russians and possibly other foreigners. Whether that made a difference is debatable. I'm skeptical. Both candidates were pretty well-known...Trump by his TV show and Clinton by her years as First Lady, junior Senator, Secretary of State, and two presidential campaigns. In Clinton's case, she dragged behind her a mile-long baggage train. Even without her numerous scandals resulting in convictions, she carried the stench of corruption, dishonesty, and sense of entitlement that pre-dated any Russian social media trolling by decades. Furthermore, she deliberately antagonized Obama supporters in '08 and Sanders supporters in '16. In short, while Trump illegally colluded with Russians, and deservedly deserves to be investigated and prosecuted, most likely Clinton herself and her poorly run campaign had far more to do with her loss than Russian social media trolls (which in any case paled in comparison to the nearly $2 billion worth in pro-Clinton media and social media presence). Clinton's own social media trolls alone, run by David Brock in coordination with her campaign,  far outpaced any Russian presence. 

If you rob a bank and get away with the loot, then get caught with the money, the burglary tools and the plans of the bank, your best defense isn't that there was another group of robbers beavering away at the vault in the basement with better tools but who just didn't get the job done.  

You actually just get to go to jail.

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... But Manafort was with the campaign for only a very short time.... A few weeks, Trump thinks...... A very minor player......

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1 minute ago, Mrleft8 said:

... But Manafort was with the campaign for only a very short time.... A few weeks, Trump thinks...... A very minor player......

 

Yeah, he went for the coffee and donuts, like that other nothingburger staffer, who lied about contact with Russians.....

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38 minutes ago, RKoch said:

I was just coming here to post that. IMO, it's increasing apparent that the Trump campaign and surrogates colluded with Russians and possibly other foreigners. Whether that made a difference is debatable. I'm skeptical. Both candidates were pretty well-known...Trump by his TV show and Clinton by her years as First Lady, junior Senator, Secretary of State, and two presidential campaigns. In Clinton's case, she dragged behind her a mile-long baggage train. Even without her numerous scandals resulting in convictions, she carried the stench of corruption, dishonesty, and sense of entitlement that pre-dated any Russian social media trolling by decades. Furthermore, she deliberately antagonized Obama supporters in '08 and Sanders supporters in '16. In short, while Trump illegally colluded with Russians, and deservedly deserves to be investigated and prosecuted, most likely Clinton herself and her poorly run campaign had far more to do with her loss than Russian social media trolls (which in any case paled in comparison to the nearly $2 billion worth in pro-Clinton media and social media presence). Clinton's own social media trolls alone, run by David Brock in coordination with her campaign,  far outpaced any Russian presence. 

I agree with you, but for different reasons. The Clinton scandals were hyped by biased media over a twenty-five year period and became ingrained in our national subconscious. $100 plus Million spent on investigations and absolutely zero guilty verdicts, every single time. The Clintons were wrong for America because at some point they began to think of themselves as "gifts" to America. Oh, they would never admit it, but the coziness with Wall Street, International friendships, they believed they were America's best choice.

Part of the problem that should be addressed soonest is our national elections, we need radical change to the way they are done, how we select candidates, and how we vote. There is no moral justification for an election of a single candidate to cost one billion dollars or more. We have a Governor race in Illinois that has passed $200 million. All we are doing is enriching the coffers of the media who have done nothing to clarify the issues, it isn't in their financial best interest.

The most important thing that we need to do is slap the shit out of anyone who interferes with our elections. If that means an act of war then so be it, we cannot send a weak message when it comes to our Democracy. The fact that there was a single foreign entity fooling with our election should be the biggest thing on the front pages, that it isn't, says a lot about us collectively, Democrats and Republicans.

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7 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

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Part of the problem that should be addressed soonest is our national elections, we need radical change to the way they are done, how we select candidates, and how we vote. There is no moral justification for an election of a single candidate to cost one billion dollars or more. We have a Governor race in Illinois that has passed $200 million. All we are doing is enriching the coffers of the media who have done nothing to clarify the issues, it isn't in their financial best interest.

The most important thing that we need to do is slap the shit out of anyone who interferes with our elections. If that means an act of war then so be it, we cannot send a weak message when it comes to our Democracy. The fact that there was a single foreign entity fooling with our election should be the biggest thing on the front pages, that it isn't, says a lot about us collectively, Democrats and Republicans.

You actually formed a coherent opinion that makes sense - and not a single instance of partisan rancor.  Nicely said. 

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2 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

I agree with you, but for different reasons. The Clinton scandals were hyped by biased media over a twenty-five year period and became ingrained in our national subconscious. $100 plus Million spent on investigations and absolutely zero guilty verdicts, every single time. The Clintons were wrong for America because at some point they began to think of themselves as "gifts" to America. Oh, they would never admit it, but the coziness with Wall Street, International friendships, they believed they were America's best choice.

Part of the problem that should be addressed soonest is our national elections, we need radical change to the way they are done, how we select candidates, and how we vote. There is no moral justification for an election of a single candidate to cost one billion dollars or more. We have a Governor race in Illinois that has passed $200 million. All we are doing is enriching the coffers of the media who have done nothing to clarify the issues, it isn't in their financial best interest.

The most important thing that we need to do is slap the shit out of anyone who interferes with our elections. If that means an act of war then so be it, we cannot send a weak message when it comes to our Democracy. The fact that there was a single foreign entity fooling with our election should be the biggest thing on the front pages, that it isn't, says a lot about us collectively, Democrats and Republicans.

Agreed, our election system is a mess. Funding, the two-party duopoly, Super PACs, Corporate donations, corporate media. At this point, most politicians and party officials exist purely to keep the money flowing to feed the machine, and thus line their pockets. They spend most of their time in Washington fund-raising...not in legislative sessions and meetings.  Just pigs fighting for their spot at the trough.

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19 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

You actually formed a coherent opinion that makes sense - and not a single instance of partisan rancor.  Nicely said. 

Thanks.

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Trump has to be deposed : Judge rules in Zervos case.




All parties involved in Summer Zervos' defamation lawsuit against Donald Trump — including the president himself — should be deposed by January 31, 2019, a New York judge said
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A sitting president can't be deposed. Likely Ruddy quote.

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4 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Trump has to be deposed : Judge rules in Zervos case.




All parties involved in Summer Zervos' defamation lawsuit against Donald Trump — including the president himself — should be deposed by January 31, 2019, a New York judge said

Might not end as well for him as the Trump U fraud lawsuit did. But at least he avoids jail, which isn't a certainty regarding Mueller's investigation. He better keep AF1 fueled up and Moscow plugged in to GPS as a waypoint...he may have to 'leave' suddenly.

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That one was a slam dunk under Clinton v Jones. Nobody is above the law. If you weren’t too busy to grab em by the pussy, you aren’t too busy to show up for deposition. 

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5 minutes ago, bhyde said:

A sitting president can't be deposed. Likely Ruddy quote.

No, Rappin' Rudy will claim the president has the power to depose himself. 

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Interesting choice of words the judge used:

de·pose
dəˈpōz/
verb
 
  1. 1. 
    remove from office suddenly and forcefully.
    "he had been deposed by a military coup"
    synonyms: overthrow, unseat, dethrone, topple, remove, supplant, displace; More
     
     
     
  2. 2. 
    LAW
    testify to or give (evidence) on oath, typically in a written statement.
    "every affidavit shall state which of the facts deposed to are within the deponent's knowledge"
    synonyms: swear, testify, attest, assert, declare, claim
    "a witness deposed that he had seen me"
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Yanno........ Not for nothin' but........ If the guy has enough time to go golfing almost every fucking weekend, he can spend an afternoon in court..... FFS! It's not like he's actually "Running the country" like he was driving a D-10 bulldozer through an antiques shop......

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25 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Yanno........ Not for nothin' but........ If the guy has enough time to go golfing almost every fucking weekend, he can spend an afternoon in court..... FFS!

It's not like he's actually "Running the country" like he was driving a D-10 bulldozer through an antiques shop......

 

Well put!  That is EXACTLY how he is running the Country!!!

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25 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Yanno........ Not for nothin' but........ If the guy has enough time to go golfing almost every fucking weekend, he can spend an afternoon in court..... FFS! It's not like he's actually "Running the country" like he was driving a D-10 bulldozer through an antiques shop......

Dang...I've only driven a D-9 (for about 50').  Thought that was plenty big. 

D-10?  I think a Bobcat would be big enough for tiny hands and an antique shop.

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Well..... I guess the finger's out of the dike now......

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Looking bad for Manafort.


Preet Bharara explains to Jake Tapper how much trouble Manafort faces: ‘In every way it’s terrible for him’ 
Tana Ganeva 
05 Jun 2018 at 17:19 ET  


On Tuesday’s episode CNN’s the Lead with Jack Tapper, former US Attorney Preet Bharara explained just how screwed former Trump adviser Paul Manafort is following revelations that he may have tampered with witnesses. 
 

“In every way it’s terrible for him,” Bharara said.

He explained that prosecutors often put pressure on people lower on the food chain if they can threaten actual jail time. “You wonder if someone is going to flip,” Bharara said. 

Even house arrest is better than jail, Bharara pointed out, joking that you can still watch cable news from home. 

“The one thing that gets the mind to focus is the loss of liberty,” he concluded.

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Won’t take takr long for the faithful to attack Bharara as just another dark guy with a funny name and question his patriotism. 

Just like they did with President Obama. 

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To paraphrase a movie line, Manafort doesn’t have a doing time kinda disposition. I hope they have a good security detail watching after him, for a number of reasons. 

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6 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

To paraphrase a movie line, Manafort doesn’t have a doing time kinda disposition. I hope they have a good security detail watching after him, for a number of reasons. 

They won't, for a number of reasons.

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Paul, try this. You're going to need a head start.

 

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Cambridge Analytica director met Wikileaks' Assange in 2017 'to discuss US election'

Source: The Hill

A former director with Cambridge Analytica, the data firm used by the Trump campaign, met with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London last year to discuss the 2016 U.S. presidential election. 

Embassy visitor logs obtained by The Guardian reveal that Brittany Kaiser, a director at CA until earlier in 2018, visited with Assange in mid-February of 2017 to discuss what had happened during the election. 

Kaiser, according to the newspaper, is also accused of funneling money to the organization in the form of cryptocurrency, which is not illegal but allows the donations to go unreported due to Bitcoin's private nature. 

It was reported last year that Assange had turned down an offer from Cambridge Analytica to help index and go through tens of thousands of stolen emails from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's private email server.

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/technology/390973-cambridge-analytica-director-met-wikileaks-assange-in-2017-to-discuss-us 

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28 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Cambridge Analytica director met Wikileaks' Assange in 2017 'to discuss US election'

Source: The Hill

A former director with Cambridge Analytica, the data firm used by the Trump campaign, met with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London last year to discuss the 2016 U.S. presidential election. 

Embassy visitor logs obtained by The Guardian reveal that Brittany Kaiser, a director at CA until earlier in 2018, visited with Assange in mid-February of 2017 to discuss what had happened during the election. 

Kaiser, according to the newspaper, is also accused of funneling money to the organization in the form of cryptocurrency, which is not illegal but allows the donations to go unreported due to Bitcoin's private nature. 

It was reported last year that Assange had turned down an offer from Cambridge Analytica to help index and go through tens of thousands of stolen emails from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's private email server.

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/technology/390973-cambridge-analytica-director-met-wikileaks-assange-in-2017-to-discuss-us 

That never happened

or it's not illegal

or it is illegal, but the other side did it too.  

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1 minute ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

That never happened

or it's not illegal

 or it is illegal, but the other side did it too.  

I didn't know this, did you know this? TrumpPac gave Cambridge Analytica $5,912,500  all before the election. https://www.fec.gov/data/disbursements/?two_year_transaction_period=2016&amp;data_type=processed&amp;committee_id=C00580100&amp;recipient_name=cambridge+analytica&amp;min_date=01%2F01%2F2015&amp;max_date=12%2F31%2F2016

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8 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Gave?

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Recipient city and state ALEXANDRIA, VA, 22314

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Committee city and state NEW YORK, NY, 10022

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12 minutes ago, badlatitude said:
21 minutes ago, hermetic said:

I thought consensus was that sec clintons server was not hacked?

 "There is no evidence that the deleted emails were ever hacked or that Wikileaks ever had possession of them." https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/25/politics/cambridge-analytica-julian-assange-wikileaks-clinton-emails/index.html

that's what I thought.  thanks

also, what is the point of the ca / wiki article?  I don't get it

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Just now, hermetic said:

that's what I thought.  thanks

also, what is the point of the ca / wiki article?  I don't get it

Just part of the collusion investigation as far as I can tell.

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Why Is Trump Mad at Sessions? A Tweet Provides the Answer

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WASHINGTON — For nearly a year, President Trump has been relentlessly attacking his handpicked attorney general for recusing himself from the Russia investigation that has so nettled him. And so in that sense, his tweet on Tuesday morning was simply the latest in a long string. 

“The Russian Witch Hunt Hoax continues, all because Jeff Sessions didn’t tell me he was going to recuse himself,” Mr. Trump wrote. “I would have quickly picked someone else. So much time and money wasted, so many lives ruined … and Sessions knew better than most that there was No Collusion!” 

But what made this tweet so striking was that it encapsulated the essential contradictions of Mr. Trump’s arguments. In fewer than 280 characters, he acknowledged perhaps as explicitly as he ever has that the reason he is mad at Mr. Sessions is that the attorney general did not shut down the investigation into Mr. Trump’s campaign. To critics, that is all but an admission of obstruction of justice, or at least the desire to obstruct justice. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/us/politics/trump-sessions-tweet-russia.html?hp&amp;action=click&amp;pgtype=Homepage&amp;clickSource=story-heading&amp;module=first-column-region&amp;region=top-news&amp;WT.nav=top-news

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1 hour ago, hermetic said:

that's what I thought.  thanks

also, what is the point of the ca / wiki article?  I don't get it

There were multiple attacks on Clinton's server, to the point where one IT guy apologized for having to temporarily shut it down and disconnect it. It was never established if the attempted hacks were successful.  John Podesta's email was def hacked, he unwittingly provided his password to a phished. Unclear if DNC emails were hacked or leaked...there are claims and evidence for both. My own opinion is they were leaked. 

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A bit long, but good in depth analysis of Manafort's predicament. In a nutshell- he's fucked. Probably going to jail immediately because of the witness-tampering, ultimately facing life in prison on all the charges, if convicted. 

 

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32 minutes ago, RKoch said:

A bit long, but good in depth analysis of Manafort's predicament. In a nutshell- he's fucked. Probably going to jail immediately because of the witness-tampering, ultimately facing life in prison on all the charges, if convicted. 

 

That happens with every campaign manager.  Has anyone seen David Plouffe lately?  Nothing burger, with extra nothing..a favorite of nihilists everywhere.  

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3 minutes ago, Mike G said:

Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is requesting that witnesses turn in their personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging programs

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/mueller-team-zeroes-in-on-encrypted-apps-as-witness-turn-in-phones.html

 

This is common, right?

It's a little less common.  It shows that The Most High Tech New York Crew in History is really ahead of the curve when it comes to outsmarting rubes and making use of technology.  

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1 minute ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

It's a little less common.  It shows that The Most High Tech New York Crew in History is really ahead of the curve when it comes to outsmarting rubes and making use of technology.  

Maybe he should have wiped his iCloud with a cloth or something.

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If anything of MINE gets taken from my cloud, I hope it's the nudes with the actresses, not the incriminating witness tampering stuff.

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Lets go ahead and bring Sean in for suborning obstruction by destruction of evidence, 18 U.S.C. 1512(c).

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/391115-hannity-advises-witnesses-in-mueller-probe-smash-their-phones-to-little-itsy

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512

 

That's one hell of a law and order party, boys.  

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26 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Lets go ahead and bring Sean in for suborning obstruction by destruction of evidence, 18 U.S.C. 1512(c).

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/391115-hannity-advises-witnesses-in-mueller-probe-smash-their-phones-to-little-itsy

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512

 

That's one hell of a law and order party, boys.  

I have a hunch Hannity will end up charged with something. 

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19 minutes ago, RKoch said:

I have a hunch Hannity will end up charged with something. 

220, 221, whatever it takes.

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29 minutes ago, RKoch said:

I have a hunch Hannity will end up charged with something. 

Even if it’s just on general principals. 

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On 6/5/2018 at 6:41 PM, Sol Rosenberg said:

To paraphrase a movie line, Manafort doesn’t have a doing time kinda disposition. I hope they have a good security detail watching after him, for a number of reasons. 

I think he's, for the moment, too high profile to hit. Too high profile for witness protection too. Did business so shady I think not even Trump would hesitate to pardon him.

Flynn to Manafort? 

 

 

  

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Mark K said:

I think he's, for the moment, too high profile to hit. Too high profile for witness protection too. Did business so shady I think not even Trump would hesitate to pardon him.

Flynn to Manafort? 

 

 

  

 

 

Manafort is def fucked. . Trump is pretty fucked too. If he pardons Manafort, it's obstruction and witness tampering, and Manafort can no longer use the 5th to avoid testifying. If he doesn't, Manafort flips.

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3 minutes ago, RKoch said:

Manafort is def fucked. . Trump is pretty fucked too. If he pardons Manafort, it's obstruction and witness tampering, and Manafort can no longer use the 5th to avoid testifying. If he doesn't, Manafort flips.

I'm clinging to my WAG that Mueller's primary target is the Russian mob, it's they he's putting the screws to Manafart to flip on. To old cops like Mueller the Trumps are merely ridiculous people. The Russian mob? Absolute bad asses. Worthy of his steel.

 Just a wild hunch. 

 

  

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16 minutes ago, Mark K said:

I'm clinging to my WAG that Mueller's primary target is the Russian mob, it's they he's putting the screws to Manafart to flip on. To old cops like Mueller the Trumps are merely ridiculous people. The Russian mob? Absolute bad asses. Worthy of his steel.

 Just a wild hunch. 

 

  

Good theory, except that Russia doesn't have an extradition treaty with US. Russian mob is pretty much untouchable to US prosecutors. Maybe freeze their assets. Now if Mueller ties Trump to Russian mob (I think most people already suspect that) then it's checkmate. 

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"cloudgate" happened in Feb?  It wasn't revealed until now because they still had idiots, well, backing things up.

Well played Mueller, well played.

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2 minutes ago, Mike G said:

"cloudgate" happened in Feb?  It wasn't revealed until now because they still had idiots, well, backing things up.

Well played Mueller, well played.

I'm sure he was monitoring the messages and gathering more evidence, in addition to the new charges. 

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1 minute ago, RKoch said:

I'm sure he was monitoring the messages and gathering more evidence, in addition to the new charges. 

Sure, but the app-store says that for $1.99 I can download a program that will encrypt anything I say and only the recipient can read it.

Kidna like the secret pen I used to use that didn't show up on paper until the lemon was squeezed.

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8 minutes ago, Mike G said:

Sure, but the app-store says that for $1.99 I can download a program that will encrypt anything I say and only the recipient can read it.

Kidna like the secret pen I used to use that didn't show up on paper until the lemon was squeezed.

And secure comms,  who knew what those cans and string did.  From someone who wasted too many hours on a STU-III, the cans/string would have  been a better idea.

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A bail hearing is set for June 15th. It's expected Manafort's bail will be revoked and he'll be immediately transferred to jail. Bring a toothbrush.

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58 minutes ago, hermetic said:

you floridians need to coordinate a little better

Have you ever met a coordinated Floridian?

 

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