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1 minute ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

That I would like to know.  He had better have a better explanation than "bros before hoes."  

Speaking of things I'd like to know more about, now that we are hearing about Russian money being thrown around Britain, I'd like to know how much of it infected the Brexit vote, given the identity of the primary beneficiary of discord between UK and EU....  

It's appearing that a good deal of Russian money may have been behind Brexit.

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10 minutes ago, RKoch said:

It's appearing that a good deal of Russian money may have been behind Brexit.

I wonder if there is enough political will to redo the referendum. I also wonder how Nigel Farage is still out of jail.

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1 minute ago, Ishmael said:

I wonder if there is enough political will to redo the referendum. I also wonder how Nigel Farage is still out of jail.

And Cambridge Analytica. That's the British data-mining company that was financially backed by Steve Bannon and other far right figures. After they were raided and records seized by British LE, they declared bankruptcy and re-opened under a different name. Same crew.

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48 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

That I would like to know.  He had better have a better explanation than "bros before hoes."  

Speaking of things I'd like to know more about, now that we are hearing about Russian money being thrown around Britain, I'd like to know how much of it infected the Brexit vote, given the identity of the primary beneficiary of discord between UK and EU....  

Our very own ‘drip, drip, drip’ is in progress as we speak. Quite possibly with ties between all. 

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42 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

I wonder if there is enough political will to redo the referendum. I also wonder how Nigel Farage is still out of jail.

I can’t see the investigations progressing fast enough to pull the UK back from the brink. And much like the Trump die-hard, the pro-Brexiteers will only deflect away from the facts. Facing the truth is far beyond their own beliefs. 

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19 minutes ago, mad said:

Our very own ‘drip, drip, drip’ is in progress as we speak. Quite possibly with ties between all. 

sounds like there may have been some treason going on, on both sides of the pond.  

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17 hours ago, Saorsa said:

With all the investigation and reporting prior to Mueller, why was Mueller needed?

The Manafort prosecution is still based on his actions prior to becoming involved with the Trump campaign.  His reputed witness tampering is related to that, again, nothing to do with the Trump campaign.

Mueller seems to be using unrelated activities in an attempt to break people.  Pretty shitty for a super ace investigator who should have found some evidence on his own.

If some one does say something to get out of jail, are you going to believe him or go with the 'admissions under torture aren't valid' that seemed so popular a while ago.

 

Takeaways:

1. you should never talk to John McCain or any other person who has actually suffered torture. Your disdain for what they’ve endured makes that a dangerous encounter for you & your precious ego. 

2. You are clearly opposed to investigating and prosecuting crimes against the state. Not sure if you consider yourself a patriot, but it’s hard to be one when you want people to get away with sedition, violating national security laws and electoral fraud.

3. Your ability to present false equivalence is impressive. Our legal system is not an example of torture by any stretch of the imagination. You slander our entire judicial system by making such an accusation.

Guess you aren’t proud to be American, because you so cavalierly take the side of admitted criminals & liars.

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7 minutes ago, mad said:

So those two guys had a hard time remembering their contacts with Russia too?  I thought it was just a GOP thing.  What is it about Russians that makes it so hard to remember meeting with them?  

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49 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

So those two guys had a hard time remembering their contacts with Russia too?  I thought it was just a GOP thing.  What is it about Russians that makes it so hard to remember meeting with them?  

It’s tricky, they all have names that sound similar, and you can’t spell them easily either (Влади́мир Влади́мирович Пу́тин) 

oh yes, and they all sound the same when they talk, tricky to remember who said what.......it’s very confusing for them all  

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Ukraine paid 4407 Cohen to get trumps ear.  The drip is now a torrent 

 

Jedi mind meld.  “I am not the Russian you were warned about”

 

Spock was a Jedi? Who knew!

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3 minutes ago, A Pretty Face said:

Krypton blew up. Vulcan is still there and will be for a very long time 

Sorry to inform you but Vulcan actually imploded and everyone on the planet is DTS.

 

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Just now, A Pretty Face said:

Krypton blew up. Vulcan is still there and will be for a very long time 

Depends on which timeline

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22 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Sorry to inform you but Vulcan actually imploded and everyone on the planet is DTS.

 

The planet Vulcan will be visited by Spock hundreds of years from now. 

The planet will not be blowing up until well after the Starship Enterprise spends many years touring the galaxy.  

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11 hours ago, RKoch said:

 

Breaking: Trump associate Roger Stone reveals new contact with Russian national during 2016 campaign

MIAMI — One day in late May 2016, Roger Stone — the political dark sorcerer and longtime confidant of Donald Trump — slipped into his Jaguar and headed out to meet a man with a Make America Great Again hat and a viscous Russian accent. 

The man, who called himself Henry Greenberg, offered damaging information about Hillary Clinton, Trump’s presumptive Democratic opponent in the upcoming presidential election, according to Stone who spoke about the previously unreported incident in interviews with The Washington Post. Greenberg, who did not reveal the information he claimed to possess, wanted Trump to pay $2 million for the political dirt, Stone said. 

“You don’t understand Donald Trump,” Stone recalled saying before rejecting the offer at a restaurant in the Russian-expat magnet of Sunny Isles, Fla. “He doesn’t pay for anything.” 

Later, Stone got a text message from Michael Caputo, a Trump campaign communications official who’d arranged the meeting after Greenberg had approached Caputo’s Russian-immigrant business partner.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-associate-roger-stone-reveals-new-contact-with-russian-national-during-2016-campaign/2018/06/17/4a8123c8-6fd0-11e8-bd50-b80389a4e569_story.html?utm_term=.71ccd53148dc

If that is what Stone is openly admitting to, what story is it that he is trying to get in front of?  He's not admitting that because he wants to.  He is trying to take the sting out of something.  

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11 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

If that is what Stone is openly admitting to, what story is it that he is trying to get in front of?  He's not admitting that because he wants to.  He is trying to take the sting out of something.  

That's the key question. IIRC Stone and Manafort are buddies...so likely Stone is worried about a piece of Manafort evidence or possible testimony.

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2 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

...

He is trying to take the sting out of something.  

My guess would be an uncomfortable encounter in the shower at Club Fed.

He is just trying to make it sound like information was offered and not accepted. It's a red herring. 

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15 hours ago, phillysailor said:

Takeaways:

1. you should never talk to John McCain or any other person who has actually suffered torture. Your disdain for what they’ve endured makes that a dangerous encounter for you & your precious ego. 

2. You are clearly opposed to investigating and prosecuting crimes against the state. Not sure if you consider yourself a patriot, but it’s hard to be one when you want people to get away with sedition, violating national security laws and electoral fraud.

3. Your ability to present false equivalence is impressive. Our legal system is not an example of torture by any stretch of the imagination. You slander our entire judicial system by making such an accusation.

Guess you aren’t proud to be American, because you so cavalierly take the side of admitted criminals & liars.

Didn't you call me a traitor for supporting the investigation of crimes against the state?

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9 hours ago, RKoch said:
9 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

If that is what Stone is openly admitting to, what story is it that he is trying to get in front of?  He's not admitting that because he wants to.  He is trying to take the sting out of something.  

That's the key question. IIRC Stone and Manafort are buddies...so likely Stone is worried about a piece of Manafort evidence or possible testimony.

end of the article - claims it might have been an fbi set up.  kind of a precursor to spygate

there are way too many people involved in this case, on both sides, that love to be in the media spotlight.  and the media is all too willing to give them air time.

except mueller.  good boy

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26 minutes ago, hermetic said:

end of the article - claims it might have been an fbi set up.  kind of a precursor to spygate

there are way too many people involved in this case, on both sides, that love to be in the media spotlight.  and the media is all too willing to give them air time.

except mueller.  good boy

That will be his defense, but why bring it up publicly, when it contradicts so many things that have been said?  There must be a reason, perhaps publicity. That is really pushing the “any publicity is good publicity” mantra to the extreme. 

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30 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:
1 hour ago, hermetic said:

end of the article - claims it might have been an fbi set up.  kind of a precursor to spygate

there are way too many people involved in this case, on both sides, that love to be in the media spotlight.  and the media is all too willing to give them air time.

except mueller.  good boy

That will be his defense, but why bring it up publicly, when it contradicts so many things that have been said?  There must be a reason, perhaps publicity. That is really pushing the “any publicity is good publicity” mantra to the extreme. 

spygate.  the fbi set up the campaign - which lead to the investigation - which lead to the indictment and jailing of his pal

throw as much spaghetti at the wall as possible and see what the ig finds

or shit in the fan

the media comment was more a general observation.  i have thought that once mueller was appointed, the other "investigations" (congress) should have stopped - let him do his job without all the political theatre

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Mueller should really prosecute some Russians.  Seems he indicted them but now wants to delay for a while.  He's going to be too busy fixing leaks until November.

Here is the Indictment from the DOJ site.

https://www.google.com/search?q=russian+indictment&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1

As I read it they are complaining about interference in our political system and elections.  Those are two separate things.  The elections are defined in the constitution and the rules for them are built on that.

Our political "system", or any political system, has no such established process or methodology.  If the goal is to protect the "two party system" it is an anathema as far as I'm concerned.  A duopoly is as stagnant as autocracy, particularly when the two poles are so cooperative with each other to the exclusion of all others.  Since our spoils system only covers the top layer, our standing bureacracy is as bad as a standing army in enforcing the status quo with a bit of drift toward whichever party is in power.

If our nation is so fragile that propaganda alone can bring it down then it really is time for change.

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1 hour ago, hermetic said:

end of the article - claims it might have been an fbi set up.  kind of a precursor to spygate

there are way too many people involved in this case, on both sides, that love to be in the media spotlight.  and the media is all too willing to give them air time.

except mueller.  good boy

Every good show needs a producer and director.  Or, ex-director.

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1 hour ago, hermetic said:

spygate.  the fbi set up the campaign - which lead to the investigation - which lead to the indictment and jailing of his pal

throw as much spaghetti at the wall as possible and see what the ig finds

or shit in the fan

the media comment was more a general observation.  i have thought that once mueller was appointed, the other "investigations" (congress) should have stopped - let him do his job without all the political theatre

That should have happened, but didn't, with one of the Intel Committees being led down the "best defense is a good offense" path, and a propaganda machine ready to join the fight.  

The thing is, what Mueller finds is not a threat to the guy at the top, unless Congress decides that no one is above the law in this country.  This Congress is never going to do that for this President... unless he switches parties again.  That said, anyone who thinks what is going on now is nasty should brace themselves for the bloodsport that happens once Mueller's report is done.  

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4 hours ago, Dog said:

Didn't you call me a traitor for supporting the investigation of crimes against the state?

You were soggy stylin’, claiming that FBI guys & gals having political opinions = proof of improper behavior

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41 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

You were soggy stylin’, claiming that FBI guys & gals having political opinions = proof of improper behavior

Oh please...there is no evidence supporting your collusion fiction at all. There is plenty evidence the FBI and DOJ behaved improperly.

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42 minutes ago, Dog said:

Oh please...there is no evidence supporting your collusion fiction at all. There is plenty evidence the FBI and DOJ behaved improperly.

Dog, you got to share your advance copy of Mueller’s report with us. It’s just not fair keeping the facts to yourself like this. 

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1 minute ago, Sean said:

Dog, you got to share your advance copy of Mueller’s report with us. It’s just not fair keeping the facts to yourself like this. 

He's right.  Nobody will be charged with collusion.  Conspiracy maybe, but not collusion.  

WRT that other word, it may soon be Roger Stone's time in the barrel, after his confession to meeting with the Russian in Sunny Isles, aka Little Moscow.  

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8 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

He's right.  Nobody will be charged with collusion.  Conspiracy maybe, but not collusion.  

WRT that other word, it may soon be Roger Stone's time in the barrel, after his confession to meeting with the Russian in Sunny Isles, aka Little Moscow.  

 

Maybe old Roger can share a room with Manafort in the Pokey?  They would both flip, and hand over Trump on a silver platter, in a New York minute!!

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6 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

 

Maybe old Roger can share a room with Manafort in the Pokey?  They would both flip, and hand over Trump on a silver platter, in a New York minute!!

Roger is a Tough Guy.  He'll never talk.

except to Alex Jones.  

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9 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Roger is a Tough Guy.  He'll never talk.

except to Alex Jones.  

 

Roger is also a very rich guy, and rich guys don't take well to incarceration, and loss of their freedom of movement....

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2 hours ago, Dog said:

Oh please...there is no evidence supporting your collusion fiction at all. There is plenty evidence the FBI and DOJ behaved improperly.

Say the lie often enough....

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2 hours ago, phillysailor said:

Say the lie often enough....

He's regurgitating Trumps big lie...that the IG report is tied to Mueller's investigation. 

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30 minutes ago, RKoch said:

He's regurgitating Trumps big lie...that the IG report is tied to Mueller's investigation. 

Drip...drip...drip...

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14 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

That will be his defense, but why bring it up publicly, when it contradicts so many things that have been said?  There must be a reason, perhaps publicity. That is really pushing the “any publicity is good publicity” mantra to the extreme. 

It think Rudy got it right, they seek to try this case in the court of public opinion. 

 After giving it some thought I believe that might be their smartest move. Fact is the Constitution did not set it up so the judicial branch could go after a POTUS. They effectively made it so anything the POTUS does is legal IF Congress supports it. '

 Lincoln positively shredded the Constitution during the civil war. Andy Jackson also told the Supreme Court to stick it, and since Congress was quite happy to have all those Injuns run off good cotton growing land that was that. Wilson got to jail critics during WW1, Roosevelt got to jail people of Japanese ancestry. Obama got to set up FEMA death camps when he had a friendly Congress, as we all know. 

  Anything can be doggied, but it has to have a doggiable rump stuck up and a-hanging out there first. Roger is hanging his out to be gang-banged by the FBI is a bastion of Democrats crowd.  

  

 

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2 hours ago, Mark K said:

It think Rudy got it right, they seek to try this case in the court of public opinion. 

 After giving it some thought I believe that might be their smartest move. Fact is the Constitution did not set it up so the judicial branch could go after a POTUS. They effectively made it so anything the POTUS does is legal IF Congress supports it. '

 Lincoln positively shredded the Constitution during the civil war. Andy Jackson also told the Supreme Court to stick it, and since Congress was quite happy to have all those Injuns run off good cotton growing land that was that. Wilson got to jail critics during WW1, Roosevelt got to jail people of Japanese ancestry. Obama got to set up FEMA death camps when he had a friendly Congress, as we all know. 

  Anything can be doggied, but it has to have a doggiable rump stuck up and a-hanging out there first. Roger is hanging his out to be gang-banged by the FBI is a bastion of Democrats crowd.  

  

 

You analysis is cogent and informed.  I would say we need an secondary electoral college to deal with electing congress people, but since the first one failed regarding Trump, why bother.

Rather than be as cynical and nasty as is justified right now, let me just post a photo of the best bottle of wine anybody can buy in the 10 dollar range.  When it first hit the scene the esteemed critic Parker said (and he tasted it blind. Had no idea it was a 10 dollar bottle at the time)

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Another outstanding effort is the 2011 Tinto, a blend of 85% Grenache (called Garnacha in Spain) and 15% Tempranillo that is fermented and aged in stainless steel. Possibly the single greatest dry red wine value in the world, this is an unbelievable wine … any wine retailer worth his weight should be stockpiling the wine next to the cash register.

It’s deep deep ruby/purple color is followed by classic aromas of kirsch liqueur intermixed with raspberries, loamy soil and flowers. The medium to full-bodied wine possesses remarkable depth, an expansive texture and wonderful freshness as well as purity. On taste alone, this beauty could easily sell for $30-$50 a bottle … I don’t know how anyone can make wines this good to sell at this price, but somehow importer Jorge Ordonez finds them. 92 Points

As we weather these times, do yourself a favor and get one of these

bodegas-borsao-primizia-garnacha-campo-d

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On 6/18/2018 at 3:51 AM, mad said:

Our very own ‘drip, drip, drip’ is in progress as we speak. Quite possibly with ties between all. 

Could you be Britex manager and keep us up to date with a thread?

Similarly we could do with a few ongoing international threads on the Greek crisis, Palestine etc..broaden our outlooks a bit. 

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Been out of the loop for a while..the Mueller investigation is getting confusing.

here's one timeline of events but if anyone can fine a better one it would be good to post it on this thread at intervals and somehow flagged.

sorting this out to tell the grandkids the tale is going to be difficult to maintain truth and objectivity with all the obfuscation going on.

https://www.axios.com/mueller-russia-probe-timeline-update-70433acd-9ef7-424d-aa01-b962ae5c9647.html

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1 hour ago, Shortforbob said:

Could you be Britex manager and keep us up to date with a thread?

Similarly we could do with a few ongoing international threads on the Greek crisis, Palestine etc..broaden our outlooks a bit. 

Happy to if people want to know what's going on.  You can start the thread 

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7 minutes ago, mad said:

Happy to if people want to know what's going on.  You can start the thread 

There are a few of us that are going to be effected if Britex goes ahead. But its pointless me starting a thread as I dont have the same availability of information that you do.

You start it....I'm sure you can cope with the general disinterest and lack of response from the vulgar herd here...you can just top it up from time to time to keep those with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo informed :) 

actually I recall there was one started by someone at the time..but I cant find it.

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2 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

There are a few of us that are going to be effected if Britex goes ahead. But its pointless me starting a thread as I dont have the same availability of information that you do.

You start it....I'm sure you can cope with the general disinterest and lack of response from the vulgar herd here...you can just top it up from time to time to keep those with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo informed :) 

:lol:

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7 hours ago, Mark K said:

It think Rudy got it right, they seek to try this case in the court of public opinion. 

 After giving it some thought I believe that might be their smartest move. Fact is the Constitution did not set it up so the judicial branch could go after a POTUS. They effectively made it so anything the POTUS does is legal IF Congress supports it. '

 Lincoln positively shredded the Constitution during the civil war. Andy Jackson also told the Supreme Court to stick it, and since Congress was quite happy to have all those Injuns run off good cotton growing land that was that. Wilson got to jail critics during WW1, Roosevelt got to jail people of Japanese ancestry. Obama got to set up FEMA death camps when he had a friendly Congress, as we all know. 

  Anything can be doggied, but it has to have a doggiable rump stuck up and a-hanging out there first. Roger is hanging his out to be gang-banged by the FBI is a bastion of Democrats crowd.  

  

 

What case?

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Drip...drip...drip...

 Comey (now under investigation himself) and Lynch refuse to appear and McCabe takes the fifth. Getting hot in the kitchen......

 "Fired FBI Director James Comey refused to appear before Congress on Monday to talk about his handling of the Clinton email investigation, and his fired deputy, Andrew McCabe, asserted his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination, Sen. Charles E. Grassley said.

 Former Attorney General Loretta Lynch also declined to show up for a major hearing where the Senate Judiciary Committee was looking into the inspector general’s report detailing major bungles in Mr. Comey’s handling of the Clinton investigation".

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/18/comey-refuses-testify-congress-mccabe-pleads-fifth/

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26 minutes ago, Dog said:

Drip...drip...drip...

 Comey (now under investigation himself) and Lynch refuse to appear and McCabe takes the fifth. Getting hot in the kitchen......

 "Fired FBI Director James Comey refused to appear before Congress on Monday to talk about his handling of the Clinton email investigation, and his fired deputy, Andrew McCabe, asserted his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination, Sen. Charles E. Grassley said.

 Former Attorney General Loretta Lynch also declined to show up for a major hearing where the Senate Judiciary Committee was looking into the inspector general’s report detailing major bungles in Mr. Comey’s handling of the Clinton investigation".

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/18/comey-refuses-testify-congress-mccabe-pleads-fifth/

is Mueller investigating Comey now? pardon me I've been Out of touch with the news for 7 weeks.

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Just now, Shortforbob said:

is Mueller investigating Comey now? pardon me I've been Out of touch with the news for 7 weeks.

No...The IG Horowitz is.

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2 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

what for?

Mishandling classified information apparently contained in the memos he leaked.

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8 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

what for?

 

Comey was called out for disobeying his superiors, but no political favoritism was found, as was claimed by the Trumpsters.

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29 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

 

Comey was called out for disobeying his superiors, but no political favoritism was found, as was claimed by the Trumpsters.

I look forward to another report detailing how the FBI helped to defeat Broom Hillda. 

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50 minutes ago, Dog said:

Mishandling classified information apparently contained in the memos he leaked.

um..wern't they his own memos? I didn't know they ever had been classified before he left a safe copy with a friend....or are you talking about something other than the notes he took directly after his dinner with Trump?

A dinner for two arranged privately by trump in trumps home.

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the ig is going to make suggestions as to whether the memo's were / are work product or personal

comey won't get charged, but the result will become policy going forward

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15 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

um..wern't they his own memos? I didn't know they ever had been classified before he left a safe copy with a friend....or are you talking about something other than the notes he took directly after his dinner with Trump?

A dinner for two arranged privately by trump in trumps home.

Comey wrote 7 memos and apparently 4 of them contained classified information. He leaked 4 memos for the purpose of prompting the appointment of a special prosecutor.

Do the math.

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Just now, Dog said:

Comey wrote 7 memos and apparently 4 of them contained classified information. He leaked 4 memos for the purpose of prompting the appointment of a special prosecutor.

Do the math.

what was the classified information?

Anyway, if the presidents own appointed AG thought that the material warranted a SP then surely comey is a hero not a traitor ..

Hmm..i think this may have been discussed before.

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17 minutes ago, Dog said:

Comey wrote 7 memos and apparently 4 of them contained classified information. He leaked 4 memos for the purpose of prompting the appointment of a special prosecutor.

Do the math.

Not true.  I believe one was retroactively classified confidential.

Doggy styling AGAIN!

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