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Body cameras turned off, even though they were supposed to be turned on by State law. Not much evidence, but the victim was an attractive Caucasian woman, so this one is a toss up. I doubt there will be a conviction, maybe not even an indictment.

These police officers are being targeted all over the country (not) and thus need to shoot anyone who doesn't look quite right, because if they don't, then very few of them will live through their shifts nor long enough to return home to their families.

The jury will probably decide that the pretty Australian lady needed some shootin'.

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1. End this nonsense of internal investigations. 

2. Set up a commission made up of people with no ties to government or police to investigate any complaints about police 

membershio shouidninclude atnjesst some convicted criminals who have a grudge against police and will likely be inspired to relentlessly pursue the investigations 

3. Change the membership of that commission regularly do members cannot become complacent 

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3 hours ago, shaggybaxter said:

Maybe it was her accent?

Oops, sorry, wrong thread :mellow:

Maybe it was an accident? Maybe she should have stayed inside and waited for the cops instead of being outside where the bad guys were that she called the cops about. I dunno.

I call this session of the PA Kangaroo Court of assumptions and presumptions to order! 

 

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Victim of normal behaviour..hers .

Another victim of cross cultural mis- understanding.

Last time I called the cops to report a possible break in next door, I waited outside to watch the house until the cops showed up..Kinda good neighbor normal where I live...I was not wearing pajama's though..maybe that's what freaked the cop out.

Her nationality is not really relevant..unless her culture got her killed.

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That Sydney Dad of 7 stabbed to death on the weekend wasn't a coward either. Still dead though.

Caller: I'm gonna go outside and see what's up.

911: We don't need you to do that, just sit tight. We're on the way.

 

My quote, but a likely 911 response. I read something similar in the Trayvon transcripts.

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12 minutes ago, ease the sheet said:

Maybe she wasn't a coward?

In Legions world, women who take action are either stupid or liars or both. :rolleyes:

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4 hours ago, mikewof said:

...

These police officers are being targeted all over the country (not) and thus need to shoot anyone who doesn't look quite right, because if they don't, then very few of them will live through their shifts nor long enough to return home to their families.

...

And back in reality, most officers never shoot their guns at anyone in an entire career.

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Cops are scared because there are so many fucking guns in the USA.  Safer to go to London or Paris and take chances of mass attacks.

Good example to stay away from the place, if the gun nuts don't get you the cops will.

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31 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Her nationality is not really relevant..unless her culture got her killed.

Might be a point in that.  Australians never think they will be killed by cops, US citizens well that's different.

How long had she lived in the US?

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10 minutes ago, random said:

Might be a point in that.  How long had she lived in the US?

Couple of years maybe.

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35 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

In Legions world, women who take action are either stupid or liars or both. :rolleyes:

That is a ridiculous accusation to make. Just fuck off.

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1 hour ago, My name is Legion said:

That is a ridiculous accusation to make. Just fuck off.

Misandry rears it head yet again. 

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1 hour ago, random said:

Might be a point in that.  Australians never think they will be killed by cops, US citizens well that's different.

How long had she lived in the US?

My title for this thread was a bit tongue in cheek but it is becoming obvious that nationality and coming from a culture where police are thought of as protectors and considering safe to approach is a factor. 

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2 hours ago, My name is Legion said:

That is a ridiculous accusation to make. Just fuck off.

You know you just proved her point?

 

How silly of me. Of course you don't.

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2 hours ago, My name is Legion said:
3 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

In Legions world, women who take action are either stupid or liars or both. :rolleyes:

That is a ridiculous accusation to make. Just fuck off.

 

16 minutes ago, ease the sheet said:

You know you just proved her point?

 

How silly of me. Of course you don't.

How so? If you made the same accusation I'd tell you to fuck off as well. :rolleyes:

None of which has anything to do with the actual topic. ^_^

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Telling me to fuck off won't change anything. Your posting history, with its stalking and character attacks and lack of relevant content has caused a pretty permanent shit stain. Which for this place, is quite extraordinary.

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22 minutes ago, ease the sheet said:

Telling me to fuck off won't change anything. Your posting history, with its stalking and character attacks and lack of relevant content has caused a pretty permanent shit stain. Which for this place, is quite extraordinary.

Quote a post of mine that equates to yours. We're posting in a thread about an Australian woman being shot by cops after calling 911.

You should revisit your posts. You've been a naughty troll

4 hours ago, ease the sheet said:

Maybe she wasn't a coward?

Starting here. 

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Maybe the cops had seen "Crocodile Dundee", and just assumed that she had a big ol' Bowie knife in her belt.....

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3 hours ago, random said:

Might be a point in that.  Australians never think they will be killed by cops, US citizens well that's different.

How long had she lived in the US?

Here again you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The average American law abiding citizen has zero fear of being shot by the police. None. Nada. How the hell would you know what the average American thinks? 

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3 hours ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

And back in reality, most officers never shoot their guns at anyone in an entire career.

^^^^^^^

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9 minutes ago, My name is Legion said:

Quote a post of mine that equates to yours. We're posting in a thread about an Australian woman being shot by cops after calling 911.

You should revisit your posts. You've been a naughty troll

Starting here. 

You said 'maybe she should have stayed inside'.

 

I think that's a pretty condescending and insulting statement.

I responded with 'maybe she's not a coward'.

 

Then you went off on an irrelevant, character attack on sfb.

 

 

And you call me a 'naughty troll'. That's funny.

 

Your adherence to relevance is hypocritical, though, par for the course.

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Well I think we are simply making a point that she may have inadvertantly provoked her death by doing something that in Australia would be perfectly safe and normal..going outside to wait for the police in the place she said she heard a noise...well lit alley..then went to meet the police car without her hands viable maybe..normal here, but asking for trouble in the USA.

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 It would be perfectly normal here also Meli, you really think that it becomes a free fire zone outside your door once you call the cops to report a crime?

You people don't know how stupid you look with the constant comparisons of life here with your own. In America we call it short mans disease.

In America though, it would be considered strange to go outside naked and wait for the police.

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She was in her PJs..perfectly normal here to go outside in ones night attire...I do it all the time when I forget to move my car and can't be bothered getting dressed at midnight..I live on a main road too :D

(and my next door neighbour does the same)..

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You go outside in your PJs!? How lucky you are to live there Meli. Americans who do that are shot on sight.

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2 minutes ago, Chum said:

You go outside in your PJs!? How lucky you are to live there Meli. Americans who do that are shot on sight.

Not all of us. I just went outside (well about 2 hours ago) in my PJs and slippers to get something from the barn that a neighbor wanted to borrow. They didn't bat an eye. Of course if she'd shot me, she wouldn't be able to borrow the meat grinder.....

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7 minutes ago, Chum said:

You go outside in your PJs!? How lucky you are to live there Meli. Australians who do that here are shot on sight.

I rest my case :D

Putting being a smartarse to one side for a moment..

Tell me..what do you do if a police officer pulls you over.

A. wind down the window lean your elbow on it and casually say.."g'day..what's up"

B. Tell everyone in the car to keep still and be quiet wind down your window and say something wrong officer?

C Pull the car over..sit with your hands on the wheel and wait for instruction. Do not speak until spoken to, don't get out of the car unless instructed to do so.

 

 

 

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Why don't you drop by. We're having a PJ party. Bring Runningdumb.

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9 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

I rest my case :D

Putting being a smartarse to one side for a moment..

Tell me..what do you do if a police officer pulls you over.

A. wind down the window lean your elbow on it and casually say.."g'day..what's up"

B. Tell everyone in the car to keep still and be quiet wind down your window and say something wrong officer?

C Pull the car over..sit with your hands on the wheel and wait for instruction. Do not speak until spoken to, don't get out of the car unless instructed to do so.

 

 

 

Depends on if I'm wearing my PJs or not.

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So the cops want in on what "others that serve" have enjoyed for years... oops anotha friendly fire, only a pusstralian, nothing to see move along.

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It is really hard to imagine a scenario where this shooting was justified. Time will tell as the evidence and stories come out. With that being said, this is highly unusual. Police don't typically shoot unarmed women in their pajamas. They don't typically shoot unarmed people period. Does it happen? Yes, rarely. Should we try to get from rare to never? Definitely. But the idea that this average Americans need to be afraid of being shot by the police on a daily basis is ridiculous and only serves to worsen police/community relations. A little common sense goes a long ways.

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Seriously, you can't have it both ways.

If I had a dollar for every time in one of those "cop shoots driver" threads. someone says something like,,he did the wrong thing..he shouldn't have...She shouldn't have argued. etc..I've be able to by a dressing gown and slippers too.

Bottom line is most Americans seem to fear their police as much as respect them...we don't fear our police..and most of the time we still respect them.

 

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4 hours ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

And back in reality, most officers never shoot their guns at anyone in an entire career.

And the majority of drivers don't crash and die in their vehicles, but the quest for vehicle safety is continues and saves lives every year.

It would take a monumental act of denial to convince oneself that we aren't in the midst of a problem that needs attention:

police-involved-killings.jpg

And remember that most LEOs are killed in vehicle accidents, not shot by perpetrators.

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2 minutes ago, LenP said:

It is really hard to imagine a scenario where this shooting was justified. Time will tell as the evidence and stories come out. With that being said, this is highly unusual. Police don't typically shoot unarmed women in their pajamas. They don't typically shoot unarmed people period. Does it happen? Yes, rarely. Should we try to get from rare to never? Definitely. But the idea that this average Americans need to be afraid of being shot by the police on a daily basis is ridiculous and only serves to worsen police/community relations. A little common sense goes a long ways.

Actually it probably was an accident.. If she approached them before they even had time to turn their cameras on..and she was shot through the drivers door...by the cop in the passenger seat..I'm betting it was just bad dumb luck and the cop didn't mean to fire at all..he would have been more likely to kill his partner if it had been deliberate.

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3 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Seriously, you can't have it both ways.

If I had a dollar for every time in one of those "cop shoots driver" threads. someone says something like,,he did the wrong thing..he shouldn't have...She shouldn't have argued. etc..I've be able to by a dressing gown and slippers too.

Bottom line is most Americans seem to fear their police as much as respect them...we don't fear our police..and most of the time we still respect them.

 

Police officers in the USA have jobs considerably more safe than roofers, loggers, lineworkets, landscapers, truck drivers, fishermen, construction workers and agricultural workers. 

Yet their statistical trigger fingers suggest that they work in one of the most dangerous jobs on Earth.

Prostitutes are probably fifty times more likely to be killed by the people with whom they interact than cops, shouldn't they get be able to shoot too?

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1 minute ago, mikewof said:

Police officers in the USA have jobs considerably more safe than roofers, loggers, lineworkets, landscapers, truck drivers, fishermen, construction workers and agricultural workers. 

Yet their statistical trigger fingers suggest that they work in one of the most dangerous jobs on Earth.

Prostitutes are probably fifty times more likely to be killed by the people with whom they interact than cops, shouldn't they get be able to shoot too?

A lot of them do... That's why they're prostitutes.

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5 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Actually it probably was an accident.. If she approached them before they even had time to turn their cameras on..and she was shot through the drivers door...by the cop in the passenger seat..I'm betting it was just bad dumb luck and the cop didn't mean to fire at all..he would have been more likely to kill his partner if it had been deliberate.

It's almost always an accident, assuming the lack of convictions is a guide. That doesn't mean that we don't have a major problem.

Airbags, stability control, ABS, seatbelts and crumple zones have saved millions of lives in vehicle accidents, we need the workflow equivalent of that for LEOs.

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9 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

A lot of them do... That's why they're prostitutes.

Prostitutes are about 80 times more likely to be murdered in their job than cops. If prostitutes shot and killed their customers with the same rate as police do relative to the rate that they are shot by perpetrators, then prostitutes would kill tens of thousands of johns per year, and they would kill their own industry.

But police don't kill their own industry because when they shoot someone, we rarely make any changes. Rather than address the problem, we continue to tell ourselves that police officers are in an incredibly dangerous job, with people trying to kill them nearly every day. And while we tell ourselves that, we ignore that they are more likely to be killed in traffic accidents than shot and killed.

I see stand-up members of my community roar by officers in traffic stops without even slowing their vehicle or changing lanes. 

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31 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Seriously, you can't have it both ways.

If I had a dollar for every time in one of those "cop shoots driver" threads. someone says something like,,he did the wrong thing..he shouldn't have...She shouldn't have argued. etc..I've be able to by a dressing gown and slippers too.

Bottom line is most Americans seem to fear their police as much as respect them...we don't fear our police..and most of the time we still respect them.

 

I think this statement in bold is completely wrong. Most Americans do not fear the police, they lionize the police as urban heroes. We don't worry about getting shot by police because we are rarely shot by police.

Brown people and poor people fear the police because they are shot by police, but they are a minority here.

I've lived in both places, I see little difference in the way we perceive police other than the still present "military hero complex" leftover from 9/11.

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20 minutes ago, mikewof said:

Prostitutes are about 80 times more likely to be murdered in their job than cops. If prostitutes shot and killed their customers with the same rate as police do relative to the rate that they are shot by perpetrators, then prostitutes would kill tens of thousands of johns per year, and they would kill their own industry.

But police don't kill their own industry because when they shoot someone, we rarely make any changes. Rather than address the problem, we continue to tell ourselves that police officers are in an incredibly dangerous job, with people trying to kill them nearly every day. And while we tell ourselves that, we ignore that they are more likely to be killed in traffic accidents than shot and killed.

I see stand-up members of my community roar by officers in traffic stops without even slowing their vehicle or changing lanes. 

I was refering to heroin...

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10 hours ago, mikewof said:

...

These police officers are being targeted all over the country (not) and thus need to shoot anyone who doesn't look quite right, because if they don't, then very few of them will live through their shifts nor long enough to return home to their families.

...

Generally because of vehicle accidents, but it's still unquestionably true that most officers can't survive a shift, let alone a career. That's why we have nothing but newbies. Or something.

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Shooting across your partner through the door is extraordinarily stupid and insanely dangerous to the other cop.

My theories:

The cop was just so bad at handling a gun this was an accidental discharge.

The cop is a complete nutter that likely will shoot up the local nursing home next.

There is some really odd thing going on like the women had a gun pointed at the cop's head or some other WTF issue?

Meli, I hate to say this because I know how it sounds, but being shot by cops is right up there on my worry list with being eaten by a polar bear or run over by a 20 mule team pulling a borax wagon* and this is typical for non-criminal white suburban people who view the cops more as employees than as hazards.

* neither thing exists on our island ;)

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I've gone outside buck naked before (ok with a towel on) chasin' down a whodothere, but then I live in a rural area, not many neighbors. I'm built like a Greek God, so no one would complain anyway.

Amazing how a .45 makes you feel fully dressed.

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2 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

I rest my case :D

Putting being a smartarse to one side for a moment..

Tell me..what do you do if a police officer pulls you over.

A. wind down the window lean your elbow on it and casually say.."g'day..what's up"

B. Tell everyone in the car to keep still and be quiet wind down your window and say something wrong officer?

C Pull the car over..sit with your hands on the wheel and wait for instruction. Do not speak until spoken to, don't get out of the car unless instructed to do so.

 

 

 

None of the above, really.

Saying g'day to the officer would be stupid for an American, and probably raise the suspicion of the officer thinking you may be a smartass, or Aussie, equally bad.

The last thing on the mind of the average law abiding citizen is to tell "everyone" in the car to keep quiet. You watch too may gangster flicks.

Yes, pull over. I would think that is universal when the party lights flash behind you, even down under? Common sense says don't do anything other than what your told by the LEO. What's wrong with remaining in your vehicle for the safety of everyone involved? i.e., you, the LEO, passing motorists etc., etc. Why do you want to get out?

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4 hours ago, Chum said:

Here again you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The average American law abiding citizen has zero fear of being shot by the police. None. Nada. How the hell would you know what the average American thinks? 

Sadly not true.  It depends on the neighborhood and race.    My girlfriend's non Caucasian kids don't live in terror of being shot, but they don't trust cops or ignore the possibility.  Their friends are often working poor and minority, which has affected their world view.   I think fear of cops is inversely correlated with ability to hire a lawyer.   Some of the friends are no angels, but cops aren't necessarily polite when they know the other guy cannot lawyer up unless given a public defender.

 

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2 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Shooting across your partner through the door is extraordinarily stupid and insanely dangerous to the other cop.

My theories:

The cop was just so bad at handling a gun this was an accidental discharge.

The cop is a complete nutter that likely will shoot up the local nursing home next.

There is some really odd thing going on like the women had a gun pointed at the cop's head or some other WTF issue?

Meli, I hate to say this because I know how it sounds, but being shot by cops is right up there on my worry list with being eaten by a polar bear or run over by a 20 mule team pulling a borax wagon* and this is typical for non-criminal white suburban people who view the cops more as employees than as hazards.

* neither thing exists on our island ;)

Do you think they will make the cop pay for a new car door?

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26 minutes ago, Lark said:

Sadly not true.  It depends on the neighborhood and race.    My girlfriend's non Caucasian kids don't live in terror of being shot, but they don't trust cops or ignore the possibility.  Their friends are often working poor and minority, which has affected their world view.   

 

Runningdumb made a general statement about Americans.

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Just now, Chum said:

Runningdumb made a general statement about Americans?

He's good at that.   Much too diverse of a country for generalizations either way.   

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I don't think it's generalizing to say the average law abiding citizen does not fear being shot. The average American has an income of $65,000 a year according to he IRS. This is the working lower middle class. I believe the average middle class working person in America does not fear being shot by the police.

This is not to say that there are not Americans that do you live in fear of being shot by the police, or live with the possibility. They are just not the average, IMHO.

 

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2 hours ago, Chum said:

None of the above, really.

Saying g'day to the officer would be stupid for an American, and probably raise the suspicion of the officer thinking you may be a smartass, or Aussie, equally bad.

The last thing on the mind of the average law abiding citizen is to tell "everyone" in the car to keep quiet. You watch too may gangster flicks.

Yes, pull over. I would think that is universal when the party lights flash behind you, even down under? Common sense says don't do anything other than what your told by the LEO. What's wrong with remaining in your vehicle for the safety of everyone involved? i.e., you, the LEO, passing motorists etc., etc. Why do you want to get out?

You don't speak for the average at all.

 

Good to see murderopolis keeping it's shitty reputation.

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As far as me not speaking for the average, how so?  Why is it good to see the murder rate so high?

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This is a sailing forum:

Sometimes when sailboats have problems, people die.

When sailboats have problems, people often call boat repairmen.

Boat repairmen NEVER drive to the scene of the reported sailboat problem and shoot the waiting caller or any of the bystanders. 

And!!!

If it ever does happen, you can bet your entire fortune, society will not accept a directive from the boatshop owner to, "wait for release of details until an internal investigation has been completed. "

 

 

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Calm the Grumpy

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"The Minneapolis police officer who shot and killed a woman on the city’s south side over the weekend has been identified as Mohammed Noor. 

Sources tell WCCO-TV that Damond called 911 over a possible assault, and when Noor and another officer arrived at the scene in a squad car, she spoke to them near an alley. At some point, Noor, who was in the squad’s passenger seat, reached over and shot Damond. 

What exactly led to the shooting remains unclear. 

No weapons were recovered from the scene, according to the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, the agency called in to investigate the shooting. A cellphone was found near Damond’s body."  http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/07/17/mpd-officer-shot-woman-identified/

I've been saying for some time now that we need to screen police officers better. How pointless is it to hire someone afraid of their own shadow and give them a gun?

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4 minutes ago, Gouvernail said:

This is a sailing forum:

Sometimes when sailboats have problems, people die.

When sailboats have problems, people often call boat repairmen.

Boat repairmen NEVER drive to the scene of the reported sailboat problem and shoot the waiting caller or any of the bystanders. 

And!!!

If it ever does happen, you can bet your entire fortune, society will not accept a directive from the boatshop owner to, "wait for release of details until an internal investigation has been completed. "

 

 

 We will give you a call next time a cop is needed and you show up with your boat repair stuff and see how far that gets you when it's a domestic violence call, for instance.

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6 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

"The Minneapolis police officer who shot and killed a woman on the city’s south side over the weekend has been identified as Mohammed Noor. 

Sources tell WCCO-TV that Damond called 911 over a possible assault, and when Noor and another officer arrived at the scene in a squad car, she spoke to them near an alley. At some point, Noor, who was in the squad’s passenger seat, reached over and shot Damond. 

What exactly led to the shooting remains unclear. 

No weapons were recovered from the scene, according to the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, the agency called in to investigate the shooting. A cellphone was found near Damond’s body."  http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/07/17/mpd-officer-shot-woman-identified/

I've been saying for some time now that we need to screen police officers better. How pointless is it to hire someone afraid of their own shadow and give them a gun?

Especially a muslim police officer.

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7 minutes ago, Chum said:

 We will give you a call next time a cop is needed and you show up with your boat repair stuff and see how far that gets you when it's a domestic violence call, for instance.

Why? 

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Just now, Mrleft8 said:

Especially a muslim police officer.

That may be an issue there are always those ready to do that.

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22 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

I've been saying for some time now that we need to screen police officers better. How pointless is it to hire someone afraid of their own shadow and give them a gun?

You'd have to pay more for that to be successful, and when it comes down to it, life is cheap in Amerika

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4 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

You'd have to pay more for that to be successful, and when it comes down to it, life is cheap in Amerika

Starting wages for most big city police is pretty nice. Minneapolis, where this police officer is from pays $47,000 to $67,000 not counting bonus or benefits.

However, I agree life is cheep in Amerika.

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1 hour ago, Chum said:

 We will give you a call next time a cop is needed and you show up with your boat repair stuff and see how far that gets you when it's a domestic violence call, for instance.

Epoxy the shitheads together and they will kiss and make up. If not, epoxy both of them to the floor and go out for a coffee. Win/Win :D

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8 hours ago, Chum said:

Here again you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The average American law abiding citizen has zero fear of being shot by the police. None. Nada. How the hell would you know what the average American thinks? 

About 12% of Americans have 100% fear of being killed by the cops.

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16 hours ago, Gouvernail said:

1. End this nonsense of internal investigations. 

2. Set up a commission made up of people with no ties to government or police to investigate any complaints about police 

membershio shouidninclude atnjesst some convicted criminals who have a grudge against police and will likely be inspired to relentlessly pursue the investigations 

3. Change the membership of that commission regularly do members cannot become complacent 

Gouv, you seem to be asking for a Grand Jury

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1 hour ago, Gouvernail said:

Why? 

So you can protect and serve.

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8 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

She was in her PJs..perfectly normal here to go outside in ones night attire...I do it all the time when I forget to move my car and can't be bothered getting dressed at midnight..I live on a main road too :D

(and my next door neighbour does the same)..

'I don't want to leave the house by myself': The suburbs so addled by gang crime that women are afraid to go outside on their own

  • Women living in Melbourne's crime-ridden west are too scared to go out at night
  • Terrified residents of Werribee say violent crime is forcing them to leave the area
  • Crime is affecting young families and business owners in the western suburbs
  • Local families say it is no place to raise children, who don't leave home at night 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4703110/The-suburbs-addled-crime-women-afraid-out.html

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13 hours ago, ease the sheet said:

Judging by some responses in these forums, American men seem easily intimidated by Australian women....

No,

Ive gotten good BJs from Aussie whores

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8 minutes ago, Moderate said:

Gouv, you seem to be asking for a Grand Jury

Sounds fine. It would be a tad formal and expensive for most complaints 

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5 minutes ago, Moderate said:

Gouv, you seem to be asking for a Grand Jury

There is a 100% chance that there will be a grand jury on this ... Caucasian Aussie woman, yup. But an indictment? Questionable.

Notice though, no video, if this happened to an inner city Black male, we probably wouldn't have even heard about it.

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1 hour ago, badlatitude said:

Starting wages for most big city police is pretty nice. Minneapolis, where this police officer is from pays $47,000 to $67,000 not counting bonus or benefits.

However, I agree life is cheep in Amerika.

The burbs in the Twin City's are more desirable to police and hire, comparatively, the cream.

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23 minutes ago, random said:

About 12% of Americans have 100% fear of being killed by the cops.

Ok now we're getting somewhere again. So we're down from US citizens in genera living in fear of being shot, to 12% of them. That's an 88% drop in generalization, very good. Not that I'm denying 12% fear being shot, because it's possible there are that many, but why don't you explain your numbers?

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9 minutes ago, Chum said:

So you can protect and serve.

Never wanted that job. Never asked for it. Never have been recruited by a police force. I have been recruited by fire departments and beaches. 

Are you having difficulty comprehending the humorous comments i made about boat repair men and shooting at people?? 

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6 minutes ago, Chum said:

Ok now we're getting somewhere again. So we're down from US citizens in genera living in fear of being shot, to 12% of them. That's an 88% drop in generalization, very good. Not that I'm denying 12% fear being shot, because it's possible there are that many, but why don't you explain your numbers?

C'mon, Gouv.

Lets see some numbers

Id really like to see how many white folk are shot....

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I think I get it now Gouv. Faulty rigging, for example, could lead to a dropped mast and someone's death. They call you, and you refrain from shooting them, because that would just make it worse right? You're trying to save lives, right? I can see the correlation now Gouv. 

 

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18 minutes ago, My name is Legion said:

'I don't want to leave the house by myself': The suburbs so addled by gang crime that women are afraid to go outside on their own

  • Women living in Melbourne's crime-ridden west are too scared to go out at night
  • Terrified residents of Werribee say violent crime is forcing them to leave the area
  • Crime is affecting young families and business owners in the western suburbs
  • Local families say it is no place to raise children, who don't leave home at night 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4703110/The-suburbs-addled-crime-women-afraid-out.html

What a horrible place to live. Where I live is sooooo much better. I don't know how anyone lives in Australia. 

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They have LB 15 to look to for succor.

Wish I had a link to the BS Hitler rant video.

That shit was pure fuckin gold

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1 hour ago, Chum said:

What a horrible place to live. Where I live is sooooo much better. I don't know how anyone lives in Australia. 

The Daily Mail..Gawd help us.

True that some of those western suburbs have relatively very high crime rates..but I do wonder why they picked a blonde all aussie girl to interview :rolleyes:

 "Our region has among Australia’s highest rates of overseas born and is the most culturally diverse area in Victoria. People from more than 130 different nations have made their new home in Melbourne’s west."

http://www.communityprofile.com.au/melbourneswest

The Daily Mail is only read by Bogans  

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6 minutes ago, ease the sheet said:

So some generalizing is better than others?

 

You guys are pathetic.

Examples? Of the generalizations, not pathetic posters...

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19 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

The Daily Mail..Gawd help us.

True that some of those western suburbs have relatively very high crime rates..but I do wonder why they picked a blonde all aussie girl to interview :rolleyes:

 "Our region has among Australia’s highest rates of overseas born and is the most culturally diverse area in Victoria. People from more than 130 different nations have made their new home in Melbourne’s west."

http://www.communityprofile.com.au/melbourneswest

The Daily Mail is only read by Bogans  

Are Bogans those who can only get a Govt. job, lets say, in  a library?

Because they cant be hired in a free market?

Edited by Moderate

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1 hour ago, Chum said:

What a horrible place to live. Where I live is sooooo much better. I don't know how anyone lives in Australia. 

Is this a good enough example for you?


Btw, sarcasm is not a valid defense.

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1 minute ago, Moderate said:

Are Bogans those who can only get a Govt. job, lets say, in  a library?

So trump is a Bogan?

 

Actually, that's pretty accurate.

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1 minute ago, ease the sheet said:

So trump is a Bogan?

 

Actually, that's pretty accurate.

Actually , that was a free market decision

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12 hours ago, ease the sheet said:

Feeling threatened, snowflake?

No, just pointing out the obvious. 

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4 minutes ago, ease the sheet said:

Is this a good enough example for you?


Btw, sarcasm is not a valid defense.

How 'bout echoing then?

Im just shoveling it back on the other side of the fence. 

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2 hours ago, Moderate said:

C'mon, Gouv.

Lets see some numbers

Id really like to see how many white folk are shot....

By boat repairmen ?? None that I know of.

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2 minutes ago, mad said:

No, just pointing out the obvious. 

You realise that, because you had to point it out, it wasn't obvious?

 

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Just now, ease the sheet said:

Only if you can explain the difference between echoing and hipocracy...

Only if you can explain the difference between echoing and people who give smart assed answers suck. 

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