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The Western Reclamation is severely contaminated and Auckland City will now have to shoulder the entire costs of remediation as their costly and unsuccessful legal challenges against the head leaseholder Mobil failed.

This is one very toxic piece of real estate and one can smell it approaching from harbour side.

When Panuku and it’s private sector bedmates finally get their dibs on this contaminated jewel public open space will be unfortunately not be a priority.

Sad and shameful come to mind.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Priscilla said:

KJ , the over arching design tragedy that is unfolding in the Western Reclamation is just the needle tip as to how this harbour has been poorly managed and developed.

The local port authority has run amok with poorly and sadly deeply impacting expansion that has left the landscape the worse off.

The port is on notice to look to the future and relocate which in my opinion is not the best focus to mitigate the damage done.

Auckland is a port has been from day one and should remain so but without the  port authority having a free  liscence to alter the harbour environment to suit its poor planning outcomes.

Take heart mate!  Remember the Monty Pythons.  "Always look on the bright side of life."

Mine is a more optimistic take than yours.  Too bad the port from the outset developed  at the foot of the city and then hid behind that  hulking red cast iron barricade. However other cities around the world have coped with similar problems and the solutions have been relocation.  It's inevitable for Auckland too. 

So the City Fathers get a second bite of the cherry as they dismantle the past and look to the future. The change will take years, decades, with ample time to get it right. If the work equals or surpasses the standards set by the Council's North Wharf project, the superb end-to-end design and landscaping of Jellicoe Street and the evolving Daldy Street greenscape we will be well served.

Which brings me back to the Tank Farm.  When finally cleared, save for the Port properties it will be the only remaining Council-owed public waterfront space  between the bridge and Mechanics Bay. All manner of hopefuls will want to get their sticky fingers in that pie but it's unique nature and location should insure a sympathetic outcome. 

Hey, if it comes to a fight I may even have to hold my nose and join SOH!

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14 minutes ago, sclarke said:

Bit more detail in the press release:
https://mailchi.mp/2b143b4b20da/press-release-ac75-class-rule-revealed-236195

"TVNZ to push the boat out with America’s Cup coverage

  • TVNZ has signed an agreement with the Defender and Challenger of Record for the exclusive national broadcast rights for the 36th America’s Cup in New Zealand
  • All racing will be broadcast live on free to air TV and live streamed on TVNZ OnDemand

                - America’s Cup World Series 2019
                - America’s Cup World Series 2020
                - America’s Cup Christmas Race 2020: Auckland
                - Prada Cup - Challenger Selection Series 2021: Auckland
                - 36th America’s Cup Match Presented by Prada 2021: Auckland

 
TVNZ has secured the exclusive broadcast rights for New Zealand to the 36thAmerica’s Cup which includes the preliminary World Series events, the Christmas Race in 2020, followed by the Prada Cup in early 2021 and the 36thAmerica’s Cup Presented by Prada in March 2021.
 
The event’s return to TVNZ will give New Zealanders access to all races broadcast live and live streaming will also be available across TVNZ’s platforms. Coverage will begin with the America’s Cup World Series in 2019 and culminate with Emirates Team New Zealand’s defence of the Auld Mug in 2021 during the 36th America’s Cup Match Presented by Prada in Auckland.
 
The deal resumes TVNZ’s association with the event that goes back to 1987 when it was part of the original family of five sponsors of Emirates Team New Zealand.
 
TVNZ’s Chief Executive Kevin Kenrick stated that TVNZ will deliver viewers extensive Cup coverage across TVNZ 1, DUKE, TVNZ OnDemand and 1 NEWS NOW:
 
“The event returning to TVNZ brings to mind Peter Montgomery’s iconic TV commentary – “The America’s Cup is now New Zealand’s Cup” – because it brings the whole country together and as a nation, we’re really invested in the team’s success. We’re going to push the boat out to make our coverage accessible to the biggest audiences so everyone feels part of the action.”
 
“From the first boats hitting the water to the final Cup race, we’re committed to bringing New Zealanders every moment of the America’s Cup. Every regatta and every race will be screened live and free across a range of platforms and devices. We know sports fans don’t want to miss a moment, so we won’t break to ads during live racing.”
 
Grant Dalton, CEO of Defender, Emirates Team New Zealand, says TVNZ’s involvement will maximise the number of New Zealanders that see the event. “It has been a fundamental principle of Emirates Team New Zealand and the Challenger of Record that the America’s Cup be accessible to as many Kiwis as possible since we won the trophy back almost one year ago. TVNZ have committed to provide coverage of this America’s Cup like no other, so we are delighted that the America’s Cup Match Presented by Prada and all preceding events will be broadcast live and free to air for all New Zealanders to watch and be part of.”
 
"Within Luna Rossa we are very happy about this agreement with New Zealand’s most prominent broadcaster, it is great news for all of us.  We are looking forward to showing the potential of the new America’s Cup Class boats,” said Max Sirena, Skipper of Luna Rossa.
 
“As the Challenger of Record for the 36th America’s Cup, we are pleased to jointly sign this agreement with TVNZ and the Defender.  It is the first broadcast rights agreement to be signed and exemplifies our commitment to ensuring wide reaching broadcast and digital coverage of the America’s Cup both in New Zealand and globally,” stated Laurent Esquier, CEO of COR 36.
 
And as part of TVNZ’s agreement, NZME’s Newstalk ZB and Radio Sport will deliver exclusive radio commentary of the event."

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On 5/30/2018 at 8:06 PM, Priscilla said:

Auckland is a port has been from day one and should remain so but without the  port authority having a free  liscence to alter the harbour environment to suit its poor planning outcomes.

 

Why should it remain a port? It returns very little to the economy for the value of the land and makes Auckland's lovely harbor with a wart. Look at Sydney, Darling Harbor was Sydney's Port and it became an overcrowd eye-saw. They relocated it to botany, made Darling Harbor a delight. We could do it too.

This is our harbor 

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21 hours ago, kiwi777 said:

Why should it remain a port? It returns very little to the economy for the value of the land and makes Auckland's lovely harbor with a wart. Look at Sydney, Darling Harbor was Sydney's Port and it became an overcrowd eye-saw (sic). They relocated it to botany, made Darling Harbor a delight. We could do it too.

This is a VERY selective yardstick to use, and taken to extremes one could also say that the Auckland War Memorial Museum returns even less to the economy for the value of the land it sits on. Or how about Auckland Hospital as an even worse case, because it actually TAKES money from the economy and also sits on a very valuable piece of land.

And how about the land under every house in Auckland? My own little piece of land is worth close to a million buckazoids thanks to inflation and unlimited demand, and it returns NOTHING to the economy (in fact, I could swear it costs me and my wife money to even reside on it). Need I go on?

The fact is that the port in Auckland contributes a huge amount to the economy of not just Auckland, but to NZ in total. If you are advocating for moving it, then you need to come up with a much better economic argument as to why .

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I just wish the Port company would figure out a better way to use the bit between the main wharves rather than constantly trying to extend further into the harbour on the ends.

 

Something like this would give them more land area & useful berthing with much less negative impact than the stupid shit they are doing/proposing.

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3 hours ago, Count Drac said:

This is a VERY selective yardstick to use, and taken to extremes one could also say that the Auckland War Memorial Museum returns even less to the economy for the value of the land it sits on. Or how about Auckland Hospital as an even worse case, because it actually TAKES money from the economy and also sits on a very valuable piece of land.

And how about the land under every house in Auckland? My own little piece of land is worth close to a million buckazoids thanks to inflation and unlimited demand, and it returns NOTHING to the economy (in fact, I could swear it costs me and my wife money to even reside on it). Need I go on?

The fact is that the port in Auckland contributes a huge amount to the economy of not just Auckland, but to NZ in total. If you are advocating for moving it, then you need to come up with a much better economic argument as to why .

No it doesn't, don't quote myths send out by people that profit from it. It did last year have a record year of $60M EBIT  (up from $20M a few years ago) but that is only about 1/3000th of NZ GDP and very insignificant to Auckland councils multi-billion dollar spend every year. Tourism in Auckland's revenue is estimated at 3.5 Billion a year or 3.5% of GDP.

Also moving most of it to Whangarei or giving to to Tauranga will not effect NZ jobs or its contribution to the economy. 

Norway has fantastic views little seen by the tourists but are loved by their people but if you want to get touristy you can quote the beaches in California or the waterfront in Sydney, the Eiffel tower, Statue of Liberty, The Leaning Tower of Pisa or many other tourist attractions round the world, In my obvious biased opinion Auckland Harbor is up there, We just hide it behind ugly things.

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Whats the total EBIT for Tourism?

That $3.5B is Revenue so you should compare with the total value of goods that go through the Port no?

 

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On 6/2/2018 at 3:59 AM, hoom said:

Whats the total EBIT for Tourism?

That $3.5B is Revenue so you should compare with the total value of goods that go through the Port no?

 

Absolutely not. Toyota brings a car into New Zealand the value of the car is not attributed to ports of Auckland contribution, only a small part of the shipping costs is (very small). The car will come in anyway whether its come into AK, Whangarei or Tauranga. In fact my argument is it would be cheaper unloading the things anyplace apart from Auckland's waterfront. Tourism is another factor. nicer we make it more will come.  

But that's not the final consideration, Auckland is where we live, Do you want to live in a nice house or a council flat. The Billions we spend a your on Auckland should be focused into our living place  

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On 6/1/2018 at 8:05 PM, hoom said:

I just wish the Port company would figure out a better way to use the bit between the main wharves rather than constantly trying to extend further into the harbour on the ends.

 

Something like this would give them more land area & useful berthing with much less negative impact than the stupid shit they are doing/proposing.

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I wish they would just piss off to Tauranga/Whangarei.

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On 6/9/2018 at 7:33 AM, Stingray~ said:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12066828

When the horn sounds for the America's Cup in 2021, the Auckland waterfront will be sporting a new, jazzed-up look.

(vid)

Those mooring dolphins will be fun in a Nor’easter and incoming tide.

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1 hour ago, Priscilla said:

Bit of a joke really.

Wynyard wharf is plenty long enough to berth the largest of cruise liners as it is.

Could be the joke is on you!  

Why have the biggest liner visitors stayed out in the harbour, manoeuvring under power while sending their tourist passengers ashore is small craft if the existing wharves are adequate?

This comes down to staying abreast of development.  Adapt to change or loose business and face the consequences.

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I've received all manner of emails regarding my submission(s) to the AC development.

Today however, I received an email from environment court with all the submitters email addresses visible. I have blurred them out on the picture below to not make matters worse. What a bunch of fuck-tards.

 

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Government wants America's Cup land to remain for future events

Todd Niall09:18, Sep 09 2018
 
An impression of what future events areas on the redeveloped Halsey Street Wharf and extended Hobson Wharf might look like.
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An impression of what future events areas on the redeveloped Halsey Street Wharf and extended Hobson Wharf might look like.

The rest is here ..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/106906219/Government-wants-Americas-Cup-land-to-remain-for-future-events

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1 hour ago, Terry Hollis said:

Government wants America's Cup land to remain for future events

Todd Niall09:18, Sep 09 2018
 
An impression of what future events areas on the redeveloped Halsey Street Wharf and extended Hobson Wharf might look like.
N/A
An impression of what future events areas on the redeveloped Halsey Street Wharf and extended Hobson Wharf might look like.

The rest is here ..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/106906219/Government-wants-Americas-Cup-land-to-remain-for-future-events

All good news here, thanks to Todd Niall, formerly of Radio NZ and now in a new job for stuff.co.nz,  ie the conglomerate of Fairfax media outlets in New Zealand.

Seems he scooped the NZ Herald which until now has been my go-to daily news source in NZ.  Looks as if I'll be shifting my allegiance.

Going forward, with Todd at stuff.co.nz and Suzanne McFadden at Newsroom we have two knowledgeable, committed and reliable sources in NZ for Cup news.

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41 minutes ago, KiwiJoker said:

All good news here, thanks to Todd Niall, formerly of Radio NZ and now in a new job for stuff.co.nz,  ie the conglomerate of Fairfax media outlets in New Zealand.

Seems he scooped the NZ Herald which until now has been my go-to daily news source in NZ.  Looks as if I'll be shifting my allegiance.

Going forward, with Todd at stuff.co.nz and Suzanne McFadden at Newsroom we have two knowledgeable, committed and reliable sources in NZ for Cup news.

And of course I missed stuff.co senior sports reporter Duncan Johnstone who reported Luna Rossa skipper Max Sirena saying there were still six more hopefuls in the wings,  "three other Italian outfits exploring involvement, along with a second American Team, a Norwegian syndicate and an Asian outfit."

He accurately reported Sirena but failed to note there was a lot of wishful thinking involved.

 

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Ellison talked a fellow tech m/billionaire into underwriting a team to help the numbers, could PB be doing something similar in the design field - looks thin......

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6 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

Todd Niall, formerly of Radio NZ and now in a new job for stuff.co.nz

Oh wow, thats a big loss for RNZ, big gain for Stuff :huh:

He's not a sailing specialist or even a sports guy, he's an old-school Journalist who legitimately deserves the title which is why his AC coverage is good.

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https://www.sail-world.com/news/209877/Americas-Cup-Planning-Hearing-finishes-early

America's Cup: Hearing for Bases takes just seven hours

The Environment Court has finished a Hearing of the Resource Consent Application necessary to obtain permission to construct new America's Cup facilities in Auckland.

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Making good progress, excellent. Amusing diatribe about minimum window area for bases, with teams understandably opposed. 

No disrespect for Kiwi architects, but I hope LR will be left free to design its base: I’m betting it’ll be even more striking than the Renzo Piano design in Valencia

 

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7 hours ago, Xlot said:

 

Making good progress, excellent. Amusing diatribe about minimum window area for bases, with teams understandably opposed. 

No disrespect for Kiwi architects, but I hope LR will be left free to design its base: I’m betting it’ll be even more striking than the Renzo Piano design in Valencia

 

As a kiwi architect, I take offence. ;-) Let me at it!

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4 minutes ago, mfluder said:

They're in the Events Centre. 

I realize that, was just curious about if they will be held to the same level of transparency requirements, as what the Challs may be held to. It should be even, obviously.

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41 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

I realize that, was just curious about if they will be held to the same level of transparency requirements, as what the Challs may be held to. It should be even, obviously.

"Emirates Team New Zealand is not part of the consent process as they will be in the Viaduct Events Centre"

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43 minutes ago, mfluder said:

"Emirates Team New Zealand is not part of the consent process as they will be in the Viaduct Events Centre"

Wow. Will ETNZ take this loophole advantage, or will they do the right transparency thing? Looks like a character test..

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9 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Wow. Will ETNZ take this loophole advantage, or will they do the right transparency thing? Looks like a character test..

Both the land side and ocean side of the events centre are close to 100% glazing, in fact the whole building is probably close to 75% glazed on the exterior walls... 

If anything they will have more visibility than most of the other teams.

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1 hour ago, Stingray~ said:

Wow. Will ETNZ take this loophole advantage, or will they do the right transparency thing? Looks like a character test..

You truely are a special breed...

there is no consent for ETNZ's base because it is already built and already met the building consent requirements at the time it was constructed - the things a fucking aquarium of glass.

But nice tin-foil conspiracy attempt... 

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It was a simple question. Is ETNZ pressing to make the bases for the Challs more transparent to spying eyes, than what they get? If so then who can fix the obvious problem?

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11 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

It was a simple question. Is ETNZ pressing to make the bases for the Challs more transparent to spying eyes, than what they get? If so then who can fix the obvious problem?

Looks like that you ain't allowed to ask a Question or Questions under the rules of the TNZ Fanboys. Then you have a cheating CoR called LR. Very bad indeed.

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47 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

It was a simple question. Is ETNZ pressing to make the bases for the Challs more transparent to spying eyes, than what they get? If so then who can fix the obvious problem?

Nice try at evasion (wonder why?!) but that wasn't your question(s) - you're questions where

"Is ETNZ’s base somehow exempt from this? "

No

"was just curious about if they will be held to the same level of transparency requirements, as what the Challs may be held to."

Yes

"Wow. Will ETNZ take this loophole advantage, or will they do the right transparency thing? Looks like a character test."

Exactly how so? What can ETNZ do? See the above 2 answers to discover that a) ETNZ's base that was built years ago as an EXHIBITION space (glass! glass! glass!) and met council regs fine.

But seeing that you are now asking a new third question "Are ETNZ behind a secret conspiracy glass-gate" then I'll leave you to it... hopefully you'll just tire yourself out chasing the chem-trails...

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43 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

Looks like that you ain't allowed to ask a Question or Questions under the rules of the TNZ Fanboys. Then you have a cheating CoR called LR. Very bad indeed.

Fuck off A4E it didn't take long for you to reveal yourself. Sad!

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2 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

It was a simple question. Is ETNZ pressing to make the bases for the Challs more transparent to spying eyes, than what they get? If so then who can fix the obvious problem?

If there is indeed a problem that needs to be fixed. There is no issue with the ETNZ base, so there is no question that needs answering.

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On the one hand I can understand desire to ensure bases in very visible locations look good, on the other I don't particularly like impositions on teams like that, especially when ETNZ gets a big flash already built structure & there is a shortage of teams.

Imposing too flash a structure will be a significant impediment to a $$$ light prospective Challenger.

Its worth noting that the last 2* ACs ETNZ have operated out of cheap windowless container/tent structures & the dirt cheap French (I think?) container/mesh base for AC2000/2003 was renowned for its style/innovation.

 

I'm also pretty surprised at spying stuff, Basher made some reference to 'no spying limits' in the recent unveiling.

ETNZ has been the most outspoken complaining about spying in previous several ACs including complaint about Orifice spy boats dangerously stopping infront of them to cause close passes, seems pretty hypocritical that they would be pushing for 'no limits' and even windows to the base interiors now that they're the Defender.

Will there be a Curtain limit? :ph34r:

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1 hour ago, SomeRandom said:

Not sure how accurate this is but through the grapevine I've heard that the company making the foil arms for all the boats wants to pull out. Apparently they did a test and it was a "spectacular failure".   

Not surprised really, maybe they should give someone else a crack -TBH in my experience the idea of Italian engineering prowess doesn't always translate to great engineering in the real world - case in point Ferraris are famously unreliable, catch fire, and the build quality beyond the Napa leather cabin is laughable. It's a great brand, great fun and arguable a great car, but great engineering it ain't...

Our Samsung washing machine died - wife swore about dodgy Korean quality and wanted a European brand to replace it. I pulled it apart to discover it was the water pump that had failed - manufactured by the very European brand we had been looking for a replacement. Suffice to say I replaced the pump with a Chinese one for bugger all and got years of trouble free service. That European brand is now off the shopping list, as are Ferraris of course.

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I have to say I own and have 50k miles on an alpa ior 1 tonne ( Italian), and it has been an exceptional strong lovely vessel. 

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11 hours ago, rh2600 said:

Fuck off A4E it didn't take long for you to reveal yourself. Sad!

I'm not A4E or what that this and maybe you should just tone it down a bit incl. calling me a racist which you have been already called out for in another Thread.

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10 hours ago, SomeRandom said:

Not sure how accurate this is but through the grapevine I've heard that the company making the foil arms for all the boats wants to pull out. Apparently they did a test and it was a "spectacular failure".   

A chi tocca? Pronto!

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5 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

I'm not A4E or what that this and maybe you should just tone it down a bit incl. calling me a racist which you have been already called out for in another Thread.

 

 

20 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

The fact is you are a liar on Team UK in just about every Department and I will not tolerate your crap that you do in that Thread.

 

:blink:

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5 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

I'm not A4E or what that this and maybe you should just tone it down a bit incl. calling me a racist which you have been already called out for in another Thread.

You got called out for being a rascist and that was the end of it.

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21 hours ago, SomeRandom said:

Not sure how accurate this is but through the grapevine I've heard that the company making the foil arms for all the boats wants to pull out. Apparently they did a test and it was a "spectacular failure".   

Time for an Amendment!

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On 9/14/2018 at 12:39 AM, dg_sailingfan said:

I'm not A4E or what that this [snip]

Come on, if ur not a4e or what that this,

Wtf sock puppet are you MF?

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Missing sunscreen

 

America's Cup event company unveiled

 

Team New Zealand's event company has been unveiled, with its chair saying a Kiwi "chips 'n dip" culture will deliver a world class America's Cup. ... 

Despite all that, Symmans said it would run with the team's traditional Kiwi culture, an imminent get-together with Spark was planned as a Fish and Chips do.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/107079310/americas-cup-event-company-unveiled

 

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On 9/13/2018 at 8:04 AM, SomeRandom said:

Not sure how accurate this is but through the grapevine I've heard that the company making the foil arms for all the boats wants to pull out. Apparently they did a test and it was a "spectacular failure".   

It’s not just inaccurate (you didn’t even bother to find out the name of the company, it’s Persico) but 90%.wrong

 

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4 hours ago, barfy said:

Come on, if ur not a4e or what that this,

Wtf sock puppet are you MF?

It is A4E - he forgot to update his twitter avatar and its still the same as A4Es 

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58 minutes ago, rh2600 said:

It is A4E - he forgot to update his twitter avatar and its still the same as A4Es 

Sprung well done @rh2600 !

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7 hours ago, rh2600 said:

It is A4E - he forgot to update his twitter avatar and its still the same as A4Es 

Same shit, different pile. But more lies than usual...what this that are.

Start your meds again a4e and stfu

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On 9/13/2018 at 12:30 PM, Stingray~ said:

It was a simple question. Is ETNZ pressing to make the bases for the Challs more transparent to spying eyes, than what they get? If so then who can fix the obvious problem?

There's a bit of chat in here (including this) that suggests that ETNZ have a directing hand in the design of these bases. 

I went to hear Russell Green talk to a number of property professionals recently.  It was clear that if it was up to them, the bases would be cheap and easy.  They see it (correctly) as an obstacle to teams entering. 

These controls are imposed by Auckland Council who (correctly) want to avoid errors of the past.

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1 hour ago, Ex-yachtie said:

There's a bit of chat in here (including this) that suggests that ETNZ have a directing hand in the design of these bases. 

I went to hear Russell Green talk to a number of property professionals recently.  It was clear that if it was up to them, the bases would be cheap and easy.  They see it (correctly) as an obstacle to teams entering. 

These controls are imposed by Auckland Council who (correctly) want to avoid errors of the past.

Thanks, interesting.

The way that RG put it was a touch convoluted, the NZ Herald take on it was too.

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6 hours ago, Ex-yachtie said:

There's a bit of chat in here (including this) that suggests that ETNZ have a directing hand in the design of these bases. 

I went to hear Russell Green talk to a number of property professionals recently.  It was clear that if it was up to them, the bases would be cheap and easy.  They see it (correctly) as an obstacle to teams entering. 

These controls are imposed by Auckland Council who (correctly) want to avoid errors of the past.

If you read through the Environment Court documents online and elsewhere that are not online, you will see that the Design Requirements for the bases were devised by a six member panel consisting of two people from Panuku Developments, two from Auckland Council, one from VHHL and one from the Point Apartments. The 13 pages of DR were not produced until the third day of mediation after Mirko had flown home.

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On 9/14/2018 at 12:30 PM, Xlot said:

It’s not just inaccurate (you didn’t even bother to find out the name of the company, it’s Persico) but 90%.wrong

 

SomeRandom had a point if we read and trust Jack Griffin :

"Luna Rossa will supply the composite foil arms. They have contracted with Persico - a well-respected Italian industrial group with experience in composite construction in the automotive and marine industries. Sources friendly to Cup Experience have reported that Persico performed planned destructive testing on the first arm they built to Luna Rossa's design. The arm failed at a much lower load than expected, sending designers back to the drawing board."


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16 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

SomeRandom had a point if we read and trust Jack Griffin :

"Luna Rossa will supply the composite foil arms. They have contracted with Persico - a well-respected Italian industrial group with experience in composite construction in the automotive and marine industries. Sources friendly to Cup Experience have reported that Persico performed planned destructive testing on the first arm they built to Luna Rossa's design. The arm failed at a much lower load than expected, sending designers back to the drawing board."

 

That’s a very informative 10% :) 

Nice find 

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17 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

SomeRandom had a point if we read and trust Jack Griffin :

"Luna Rossa will supply the composite foil arms. They have contracted with Persico - a well-respected Italian industrial group with experience in composite construction in the automotive and marine industries. Sources friendly to Cup Experience have reported that Persico performed planned destructive testing on the first arm they built to Luna Rossa's design. The arm failed at a much lower load than expected, sending designers back to the drawing board."

 

Maybe the Class Rule got changed drastically enough that it allowed downforce by the foils and so ETNZ’s original designs for the foil arms got f’d up in this and other ways?

That same team also f’d up their higher-wind/load foils for AC35 and by their own admission were lucky with how light the conditions in the Match turned out to be, when the light-airs-optimized foils could be used instead.

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It will need to be sorted quick, along with all the knock-on bits needing to be tested. March 2019 is just around the corner so stuff all time even for a 75 footer with known design parameters. Be really interesting to see what Ineos's T5 data came up especially as no other team, to the best of our knowledge, seems to have trial boat, let alone a retired trial boat.

Looks like they are building the bits now.

"Haas Automation has been selected as the official machine tool supplier to Ineos Team UK, the British challenger for the America’s Cup.

The Portsmouth-based team is making an unprecedented effort to win the trophy for Britain for the first time; it includes Sir Ben Ainslie as team principal and skipper, four-times winner Grant Simmer as CEO, and Nick Holroyd — the man who brought foiling to the America’s Cup — as head of the design team.

Ineos’s (www.ineos.com) decision to choose Haas Automation was based on reputation, performance and the company’s ability to support the machines with its world-wide network.

The team has invested in a Haas TM-1P toolroom mill and a TL-1 tool-room lathe.

Once the yacht’s development work has been completed in Portsmouth, the Haas machines will be shipped to New Zealand along with the rest of the team’s equipment and spares."

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6 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

That same team also f’d up their higher-wind/load foils for AC35 and by their own admission were lucky with how light the conditions in the Match turned out to be, when the light-airs-optimized foils could be used instead.

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7 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Maybe the Class Rule got changed drastically enough that it allowed downforce by the foils and so ETNZ’s original designs for the foil arms got f’d up in this and other ways?

That same team also f’d up their higher-wind/load foils for AC35 and by their own admission were lucky with how light the conditions in the Match turned out to be, when the light-airs-optimized foils could be used instead.

"That same team also f’d up their higher-wind/load foils for AC35 and by their own admission were lucky with how light the conditions in the Match turned out to be, when the light-airs-optimized foils could be used instead"

Conditions were irrelevant. Oracle were beaten twice by Artemis Racing as well. ETNZ would've won no matter the conditions. They had a far superior boat and a better crew. 

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16 hours ago, Xlot said:

Champagne Mumm to sponsor the whole event

That's an awfully broad statement!  Here's the lead-in to the press release I received:  

Maison Mumm to lead 36th America's Cup celebrations

22nd November 2018

Internationally renowned champagne brand Maison Mumm, in its quest for excellence and passion for innovation, has joined the 36th America’s Cup presented by Prada as Official Champagne Partner.

As the official champagne, Mumm will be present at all the America’s Cup events starting with the America’s Cup World Series in 2019-2020, throughout 2021 at the Prada Cup (the Challenger Selection Series) and the America’s Cup Match in Auckland.

In other words, they are the bubble machine.  Over past events Moet et Chandon has set a high bar for them to emulate or better.

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53 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Moet & Chandon is considered sligthly better than Mumm. Mumm is Pernod Ricard.

Nonsense... LMVH is vulgar tat...a bourgeoise brand soup that mixes leather goods and liquor into an awful soulless swill...

Talk about bias, you couldn't wait to dig the new sponsor... If only you weren't so wrong...

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6 hours ago, rh2600 said:

Nonsense... LMVH is vulgar tat...a bourgeoise brand soup that mixes leather goods and liquor into an awful soulless swill...

Talk about bias, you couldn't wait to dig the new sponsor... If only you weren't so wrong...

You really have reading comprehension, I do not attack the kiwis, I don't even diss the french company, I just notice 2 points, the first is the appreciation of a product and the second the fact that Mumm is part of Pernod Ricard.

Again your make paranoïac associations. Tough life to be a fan with a thin skin :)

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Whatever. Saw a picture of John Bertrand celebrating with a bottle of Mumm in ‘83 - omen?

 

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5 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

You really have reading comprehension, I do not attack the kiwis, I don't even diss the french company, I just notice 2 points, the first is the appreciation of a product and the second the fact that Mumm is part of Pernod Ricard.

Again your make paranoïac associations. Tough life to be a fan with a thin skin :)

Your insinuation was entirely clear.

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20 hours ago, rh2600 said:

Nonsense... LMVH is vulgar tat...a bourgeoise brand soup that mixes leather goods and liquor into an awful soulless swill...

Talk about bias, you couldn't wait to dig the new sponsor... If only you weren't so wrong...

Oh dear!  I have a hunch your tipple of choice is Lion Red.  

Personally I prefer Dom Perignon which is Moet et Chandon's prestige brand. For a local LVMH brand of bubbles, Cloudy Bay is a tasty drop.

Where you really lose me though is your tactic of damning a long-standing and reputable wine maker. apparently because they were acquired as part of a broad commercial strategy.

Prosit, salut and cheers!

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FWIW (Not sure what Luna Rossa/ETNZ actually planning on doing here)

The launch of the PRADA CUP imminent I guess.

First ACWS Event will be in Cagliari (October 2019)

 

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Take this with a grain of salt until confirmed by Event Organizers...

The Lauch of the new AC 75 Foiling Monohulls previously slated for March 31st of 2019 will apparently pushed back to June 30th 2019 (3 months)...AND there will only be one ACWS Event (the one in Sardinia which was announced today)

PJ Montgomery claims that the Foils the AC 75 will be using a breaking under load

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12169111

Everything will be pushed back.

Montgomery also says while there might be new additional Challengers he doubts that those Teams will have a chance altogether

https://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=280807

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Only THREE challengers have signed up. What a joke! Designing and building foiling boats is far too expensive. Go back to traditional monohull displacement sailing. Cheaper, more challengers and better racing.

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8 minutes ago, EliteDangerous said:

Only THREE challengers have signed up. What a joke! Designing and building foiling boats is far too expensive. Go back to traditional monohull displacement sailing. Cheaper, more challengers and better racing.

Why so negative!  Read the story. Likely there will only be three truly competitive challengers but Montgomery's story alludes to the possibility of three more being revealed with the close of the entry period.

"The deadline for entries close today with Montgomery expecting at least three more challengers to be confirmed for the Auld Mug, including one from the Netherlands.  There are currently three confirmed challengers - Italian syndicate Luna Rossa, American Magic, and INEOS TEAM UK.

"'Team New Zealand are encouraging them so I'm expecting at least a couple, if not three and certainly I think the Netherlands could be one of them,' Montgomery said. 'The Netherlands could definitely be serious, maybe one out of Italy, and who knows out of China and Norway, we'll have to wait and see.'"

Given these are radical new boats the possibility for breakthrough designs is much greater.  And the chance of a delay in designing, building and delivering  supplied foils should also work to the advantage of the latecomers.  Yes the experience amassed by the first three teams will be tough to overcome but no need for handwriting. If we get three more teams they'll be prepared to pay the entry fee plus the $1 million late filing penalty. They're confident even if you're not.

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4 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

 

PJ Montgomery claims that the Foils the AC 75 will be using a breaking under load

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12169111

Everything will be pushed back.

 

Organisers were hoping to have two World Series events for challenger teams and the defender to line up against each other, with the first opportunity confirmed for next October in Sardinia.

However, Montgomery said the delayed protocol would rule out the opportunity of a second event, ultimately putting a strain on preparations for the 37th America's Cup.

"It will be a more compressed time because the dates for the America's Cup, March 2021, and for the Prada Cup ... will not be shifted," he said.

"That just puts a tighter period on it and therefore there will only be one regatta in the World Series of the America's Cup."

 So maybe one ACWS event in 2019. What about 2020? Three events scheduled in 2020 according to Jack Griffin.

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Government announces extra millions for America's Cup

The Government has approved additional funding of $22.5 million will be made available for additional infrastructure for the America's Cup.

In addition to this, Auckland Council will consider providing a further $14.5 million for infrastructure as well.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12171240

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America's Cup: Wipeouts and wizardry mark covert design battle

By Rob Hodgetts, CNN

Updated 1310 GMT (2110 HKT) February 26, 2019

The boats for the 2021 America's Cup in New Zealand will be radical 75 foot foiling monohulls.
The boats for the 2021 America's Cup in New Zealand will be radical 75 foot foiling monohulls.
(CNN)Science, secrecy and subterfuge have become as much a part of the America's Cup scene as the sailing itself.
Two years out from the 2021 America's Cup in New Zealand's Auckland, this covert phase of design and testing is in full swing, with teams working feverishly to dream up a speed machine capable of winning the "Auld Mug."
The boats for the next edition of sport's oldest international trophy will be radical 75 feet long foiling monohulls -- dubbed AC75s -- which means they will lift out of the water on canting hydrofoils to "fly" at speeds of up to 50 knots.


more: 
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/26/sport/americas-cup-new-zealand-luna-rossa-ineos-american-magic-technology-testing-spt-intl/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2xWTks9-JhxXUy615Zg7CoWKoHcm4m5IQoHoK1ieZPRVKjDfUeIPi2SEc

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"New design, technology and innovative thinking is the cornerstone of the Cup."

Well, should be, instead of lawyers' fees.  ;)

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What a load of nonsense. The tidal trend for sediment is West to East out where the spoil will be deposited. This is known as longshore drift. None of the spoil will get anywhere near GBI. Newshub asked some pot-growing hillbilly from GBI who knows sweet fuck all about the actual situation. 

Proper Marine Engineers know where to place spoil to mitigate the environmental impact. The zone as approved, is well outside the Hauraki Gulf and in deep water.

Several hundred samples of the spoil have been taken and there's nothing unusual about the results regarding heavy metals or chemicals. This is spoil from Auckland Haubour not some industrial settling pond. About the worst thing you'll find is an old bicycle dumped in the harbour from 1986.

Typical dumb kiwis getting dumber kiwis to comment on stuff only smart kiwis should.

Now. Everyone get back to buying all your shit in plastic bags and shitting out toxic ass gas whilst driving your V8 BMW to get some smokes from the corner store.

We've got 12 years to save the planet from irreversible damage that'll see climate change so severe that all life on earth will cease to exist in 140 years. Are you doing anything to prevent this?

*Opens anothet plastic bottle of water and throws cap into the sea.......

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On 2/27/2019 at 5:33 AM, Rennmaus said:

New?
No idea what the correct thread is for it...
 

America's Cup: Wipeouts and wizardry mark covert design battle

By Rob Hodgetts, CNN

Updated 1310 GMT (2110 HKT) February 26, 2019

The boats for the 2021 America's Cup in New Zealand will be radical 75 foot foiling monohulls.
The boats for the 2021 America's Cup in New Zealand will be radical 75 foot foiling monohulls.
(CNN)Science, secrecy and subterfuge have become as much a part of the America's Cup scene as the sailing itself.
Two years out from the 2021 America's Cup in New Zealand's Auckland, this covert phase of design and testing is in full swing, with teams working feverishly to dream up a speed machine capable of winning the "Auld Mug."
The boats for the next edition of sport's oldest international trophy will be radical 75 feet long foiling monohulls -- dubbed AC75s -- which means they will lift out of the water on canting hydrofoils to "fly" at speeds of up to 50 knots.


more: 
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/26/sport/americas-cup-new-zealand-luna-rossa-ineos-american-magic-technology-testing-spt-intl/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2xWTks9-JhxXUy615Zg7CoWKoHcm4m5IQoHoK1ieZPRVKjDfUeIPi2SEc

Solid backgrounder by CNN.  Promising that this big global network is showing such early interest.

One serious quibble:  "As winner, the Kiwis got to choose the boats for the next edition in conjunction with Italy's Luna Rossa, the principal challenger."

How about:  "As winner, the Kiwis got to accept Italy's Luna Rossa as challenger for the next edition and endorse their wish for a monohull, albeit a monohull foiler."

 

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Sea420 said:

What a load of nonsense. The tidal trend for sediment is West to East out where the spoil will be deposited. This is known as longshore drift. None of the spoil will get anywhere near GBI. Newshub asked some pot-growing hillbilly from GBI who knows sweet fuck all about the actual situation. 

Proper Marine Engineers know where to place spoil to mitigate the environmental impact. The zone as approved, is well outside the Hauraki Gulf and in deep water.

Several hundred samples of the spoil have been taken and there's nothing unusual about the results regarding heavy metals or chemicals. This is spoil from Auckland Haubour not some industrial settling pond. About the worst thing you'll find is an old bicycle dumped in the harbour from 1986.

Typical dumb kiwis getting dumber kiwis to comment on stuff only smart kiwis should.

Now. Everyone get back to buying all your shit in plastic bags and shitting out toxic ass gas whilst driving your V8 BMW to get some smokes from the corner store.

We've got 12 years to save the planet from irreversible damage that'll see climate change so severe that all life on earth will cease to exist in 140 years. Are you doing anything to prevent this?

*Opens anothet plastic bottle of water and throws cap into the sea.......

To be fair, having some knowledge of the work required in the construction of foundations in Wynyard Quarter, it's not far away from being an industrial settling pond.

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In the vicinity of Westhaven Marina, Orams and Titan Marine they'll be finding far worse.

Tin, copper, lead and a right old mixture of biocides.

At the end of the day, that stuff is better out to sea than in the harbour. 

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