AC36 Auckland NZ

[Barnyb 144]

America's Cup - Auckland Council grapples with tough Cup options

by Richard Gladwell, Sail-World.com NZ today at 3:50 am

The Auckland Council's Planning Committee met in an open session this morning to consider a number of options and updates on long term planning for the Auckland area.

Running interference across the planning process undertaken to date is the potential hosting of the 2021 America's Cup, which according to Mayor Phil Goff will only be held in Auckland if Emirates Team NZ are happy with the planning and where bases will be located.

The options seemed to boil down to an extension of the Halsey Street wharf - which ran off the road where Emirates Team New Zealand base used to be located and north and west of the Viaduct Events Centre. Halsey Wharf didn't figure in the long term plan until 2032-2042 decade. One option is to bring that plan forward, however it was made very clear that while the America's Cup requirements could be catered for in the short term, a long term legacy use was a more important factor.

 

http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-Cup---Auckland-Council-grapples-with-tough-Cup-options/156985

[Sailbydate 2,391]

9 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

There has been no suggestion that GD has any leverage. The probably-crooked politicians like Bridges, and I assume his money-hungry shark campaign backers, will want to force their will on many things into the AC36 Protocol. Follow the Money, it's a small fish tank down there..

It might be a small tank down here but it's full of world beaters, remember.

[~Stingray~~ 38]

6 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

It might be a small tank down here but it's full of world beaters, remember.

Sporting-wise? For sure.

Am just a little skeptical about how things Protocol might be 'compromised' by the likes of Simon Bridges, who is chair of the BIA which is of course a private business-interests agenda promoter, influence like what has been suggested is the case in the NZ Herald. Hopefully good-government, long-term public interest benefits will prevail in whatever gets done on the waterfront when push comes to shove.

Would be nice for the NZ public to see some world-beating urban planning talent. Always an interesting subject, these AC venues.

 

[nav 472]

The turn around time hardly allows for world-beating urban planning. Christchurch is making a fair fist of that - but they had rather a 'clean slate'.

^ And maybe leave the smears out of it Spin-boy, no need to drag the rest of the world down to your level.

 

Just sporting-wise eh? You need to get out more.....or easier yet - just go back to all those puff pieces on OTUSA and BAR and look at all the huge corporates who's personnel and technology they were using, and the money chewed through.........meanwhile in Auckland

[Raptorsailor 278]

On 9/4/2017 at 1:28 AM, Boybland said:

...and now we know why we have to wait until the end of September, anything involving government anything just takes longer!

url

 

If this is example holds true AC36 is fucked.

[nav 472]

 

 

America's Cup bases must be built in Auckland by 2019

5 Sep, 2017 1:57pm

4 minutes to read

 

Phil Goff said he is not interested in funding the event, but is interested in an infrastructure legacy as was left by the 2000 Defence. Photo / Greg Bowker

By: Bernard Orsman

Super City reporter, NZ Herald.

bernard.orsman@nzherald.co.nz @BernardOrsman

 

 

Auckland has less than two years to build facilities for the America's Cup defence, it emerged today.

Auckland councillors heard the city needs to have facilities built by mid-2019 when the first challenger syndicates arrive in Auckland for the 2021 defence.

Urgent work is underway to consider the options for basing the syndicates on the Auckland waterfront, which include a 60m to 80m Halsey Wharf extension north of the Viaduct Harbour, an extension to Westhaven Marina and Captain Cook Wharf.

 

etc http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11917402

 

or RG's take... http://www.sail-world.com/USA/Americas-Cup---Auckland-Council-grapples-with-tough-Cup-options/156985

 

or Stuff's... https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/96500370/auckland-council-approves-city-centre-and-waterfront-refresh

 

[surfsailor 279]

5 hours ago, nav said:

The turn around time hardly allows for world-beating urban planning. Christchurch is making a fair fist of that - but they had rather a 'clean slate'.

^ And maybe leave the smears out of it Spin-boy, no need to drag the rest of the world down to your level.

 

Just sporting-wise eh? You need to get out more.....or easier yet - just go back to all those puff pieces on OTUSA and BAR and look at all the huge corporates who's personnel and technology they were using, and the money chewed through.........meanwhile in Auckland

Right? I mean, look at the team, amazing all those guys came from tiny NZ:

Mattio Di Nora - Team Principle

Dan Bernasconi - technical director

Max Sirena - Technical advisor/management

Guillaume Verdier - naval architect

Bobby Kleinschmidt - naval architect

Fabrizio Marabini - software and systems engineer

Gilbert Nobili - cyclist/performance analyst

Alessandro Franceschetti - structural engineer

Massimilano Carbone - hydraulics technician

Stefano Morosin - electronics

Vito Vattuone - Hydraulics engineer

 

 

 

 

[Sailbydate 2,391]

8 minutes ago, surfsailor said:

Right? I mean, look at the team, amazing all those guys came from tiny NZ:

Mattio Di Nora - Team Principle

Dan Bernasconi - technical director

Max Sirena - Technical advisor/management

Guillaume Verdier - naval architect

Bobby Kleinschmidt - naval architect

Fabrizio Marabini - software and systems engineer

Gilbert Nobili - cyclist/performance analyst

Alessandro Franceschetti - structural engineer

Massimilano Carbone - hydraulics technician

Stefano Morosin - electronics

Vito Vattuone - Hydraulics engineer

 

 

 

 

Not an indigenous sounding name amongst them. What's your point again? 

[surfsailor 279]

I was just teasing. But my point was that it takes a village, and in this case - the popular narrative of tiny NZ taking on the world notwithstanding - that 'village' included both international money (lots of it) and an international design team that had non-kiwis in many key positions. You know, that 'using other people's personnel and technology' thing.

So - epic team, brilliant performance, decisive win, yes. Homegrown tech with a shoestring budget, not so much. 

[barfy 1,053]

17 hours ago, Barnyb said:

America's Cup - Auckland Council grapples with tough Cup options

by Richard Gladwell, Sail-World.com NZ today at 3:50 am

The Auckland Council's Planning Committee met in an open session this morning to consider a number of options and updates on long term planning for the Auckland area.

Running interference across the planning process undertaken to date is the potential hosting of the 2021 America's Cup, which according to Mayor Phil Goff will only be held in Auckland if Emirates Team NZ are happy with the planning and where bases will be located.

The options seemed to boil down to an extension of the Halsey Street wharf - which ran off the road where Emirates Team New Zealand base used to be located and north and west of the Viaduct Events Centre. Halsey Wharf didn't figure in the long term plan until 2032-2042 decade. One option is to bring that plan forward, however it was made very clear that while the America's Cup requirements could be catered for in the short term, a long term legacy use was a more important factor.

 

http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-Cup---Auckland-Council-grapples-with-tough-Cup-options/156985

Well looks like the tank farm is well and truly spoken for by speculators, who will get their condos and apartments.

Too bad.

[Tornado-Cat 809]

2 hours ago, surfsailor said:

Right? I mean, look at the team, amazing all those guys came from tiny NZ:

Mattio Di Nora - Team Principle

Dan Bernasconi - technical director

Max Sirena - Technical advisor/management

Guillaume Verdier - naval architect

Bobby Kleinschmidt - naval architect

Fabrizio Marabini - software and systems engineer

Gilbert Nobili - cyclist/performance analyst

Alessandro Franceschetti - structural engineer

Massimilano Carbone - hydraulics technician

Stefano Morosin - electronics

Vito Vattuone - Hydraulics engineer

 

 

 

 

+

Glenn Ashby, leader on the boat,

Carlo Huiman, cyclist

Alix de la Motte, drafting

Luis Saenz, rules

and a couple of others I am sure.

[Sea Breeze 74 504]

On 05/09/2017 at 0:35 AM, KiwiJoker said:

Count me with Sailbydate.  The powers-that-be should be encouraged to stump up all the cash and resources they can muster to assist in hosting AC36 for the benefit of the team and the nation.  Any input to the Protocol should stop there. Dana's waffle was loose and vague.  Her only direct quote from official docs: "The government has the opportunity to work with Team NZ over the coming weeks and months to influence the design and nature of the event," the document stated.

"The government has the opportunity to work with Team NZ over the coming weeks and months to influence the design and nature of the event" ???

That's a bit presumptuous. With an election looming in a little over two weeks, Simon Bridges et al. may be out of a job soon and have nothing more to do with it.

[Sailbydate 2,391]

56 minutes ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

"The government has the opportunity to work with Team NZ over the coming weeks and months to influence the design and nature of the event" ???

That's a bit presumptuous. With an election looming in a little over two weeks, Simon Bridges et al. may be out of a job soon and have nothing more to do with it.

No problem. Labour has always been pro-ETNZ funding. And isn't that Wellington twit, Trevor Mallard throwing his hat in the ring again (Minister for the America's Cup)? 

[jaysper 392]

2 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

No problem. Labour has always been pro-ETNZ funding. And isn't that Wellington twit, Trevor Mallard throwing his hat in the ring again (Minister for the America's Cup)? 

Hell yeah! Our economy will be modelled on Venezuela's but our cup village will fucking rock!

[AWASP 12]

7 hours ago, surfsailor said:

Right? I mean, look at the team, amazing all those guys came from tiny NZ:

Mattio Di Nora - Team Principle

Dan Bernasconi - technical director

Max Sirena - Technical advisor/management

Guillaume Verdier - naval architect

Bobby Kleinschmidt - naval architect

Fabrizio Marabini - software and systems engineer

Gilbert Nobili - cyclist/performance analyst

Alessandro Franceschetti - structural engineer

Massimilano Carbone - hydraulics technician

Stefano Morosin - electronics

Vito Vattuone - Hydraulics engineer

 

 

 

 

all Kiwi's hey Bro ..........

National Rule Beached As .......

[jaysper 392]

5 minutes ago, AWASP said:

all Kiwi's hey Bro ..........

National Rule Beached As .......

The team is much more than the individuals. 

Put those same individuals in any other team and I doubt they would have performed as well as they did.

[surfsailor 279]

2 hours ago, jaysper said:

The team is much more than the individuals. 

Put those same individuals in any other team and I doubt they would have performed as well as they did.

Doubt away, but you'd prob be wrong. Verdier seems to do pretty well for whichever team he's working with, and Bernasconi was the technical director, which means a lot of how ETNZ worked was due to him. That in no way diminishes the accomplishment of ETNZ putting such a team together - but give credit where it is due.

[nav 472]

I used the Team as one example to show that NZ has more strings to it's bow than 'Sporting field only' as claimed by spin-bot.

(You can't expect anyone in Trumptopia to have seen or understood any Global indices after all)

I did not suggest they were all Kiwis, in fact the point, which you totally missed was the array of 'International companies with world leading skills and resources' other teams claimed to be utilising

Did ETNZ do better or worse than their competitors with their contingents of foreign talent? Why do you thing that was?

Can all the individuals concerned take a bow for seeing off, Airbus et al?

 

But if that is still all you've got, three years down the track, well go ahead and use it......

[~Stingray~~ 38]

On 9/5/2017 at 2:47 PM, surfsailor said:

Right? I mean, look at the team, amazing all those guys came from tiny NZ:

Mattio Di Nora - Team Principle

Dan Bernasconi - technical director

Max Sirena - Technical advisor/management

Guillaume Verdier - naval architect

Bobby Kleinschmidt - naval architect

Fabrizio Marabini - software and systems engineer

Gilbert Nobili - cyclist/performance analyst

Alessandro Franceschetti - structural engineer

Massimilano Carbone - hydraulics technician

Stefano Morosin - electronics

Vito Vattuone - Hydraulics engineer

 

 

 

 

We are seeing true Kiwi fighting spirit, now that the only perceived enemies left are in face to face spitting distance of each other. This AC Host venue money fight is going to be quite the cultural spectacle to witness.. Already is, by that article titled (below) and the amazing parts in it.

Government pushes for big say in next America's Cup regatta

That guy Bridges, Minister of the BIA, who instructed an aide to tell GD to send them a request for the $5M even before receiving a request, and with the now-apparent 'influence' attached, is a real doozy. Reading his history is, umm.., interesting..

He is one of many trying to be in charge of this apparently rudderless ship, but is using what are essentially bribes to try press his agency's Protocol-bending agenda. And they might work!

[ro! 20]

32 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

We are seeing true Kiwi fighting spirit, now that the only perceived enemies left are in face to face spitting distance of each other. This AC Host venue money fight is going to be quite the cultural spectacle to witness.. Already is, by that article titled (below) and the amazing parts in it.

Government pushes for big say in next America's Cup regatta

That guy Bridges, Minister of the BIA, who instructed an aide to tell GD to send them a request for the $5M even before receiving a request, and with the now-apparent 'influence' attached, is a real doozy. Reading his history is, umm.., interesting..

He is one of many trying to be in charge of this apparently rudderless ship, but is using what are essentially bribes to try press his agency's Protocol-bending agenda. And they might work!

Spinbot...the days are long gone when he and his elk ruled the roost in 'his' forum, still trying to show that he still has any street cred around here...

pimping up his wsl 50's that no one watched when they had AC in the name..telling us how the kiwis really need to carry on with lazzavision which went pearshaped on an island that no one bothered to go to or watch...after his heros fucked up the deal in SF on the russel filthy lucre tour..

and here he is slagging of TNZ, anyone who worked with the team, NZ pols and kiwis in general, before any decisions have been released..All this after his heros took a year and two sketchy poodles to come up with a protocol they constantly changed to fuck with LR and TNZ...

give it a rest..tosser..

 

[MischiefBDA 1]

Lord of the flies

[MischiefBDA 1]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11918219

"The prime requirement for the yachts is waterside space. If 10 syndicates come as much as 30,000 sq m will be needed. The Wynyard Point area has room, though the location is compromised by the presence of large fuel tanks."

10 syndicates ? Seriously? ......... good luck getting half that.

[Indio 775]

47 minutes ago, MischiefBDA said:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11918219

"The prime requirement for the yachts is waterside space. If 10 syndicates come as much as 30,000 sq m will be needed. The Wynyard Point area has room, though the location is compromised by the presence of large fuel tanks."

10 syndicates ? Seriously? ......... good luck getting half that.

We're talking about an honest AC36 in a city that has experience hosting AC events - not some out-of-the-way little island country conned into spending $75+-mil to host an event they had no connection with. We'll get more Challengers than AC35...

[MischiefBDA 1]

9 minutes ago, Indio said:

We're talking about an honest AC36 in a city that has experience hosting AC events - not some out-of-the-way little island country conned into spending $75+-mil to host an event they had no connection with. We'll get more Challengers than AC35...

I bet you don't

[barfy 1,053]

^ funny it still says you have 16 posts of shit talk newbie

[edit] iggy, not really need to see your 17

[DevsNzL 0]

Hmmm well if we go by past history, 11 teams participated in the 2000 lv cup, and 9 teams in the 2003 lv cup.  And you can only go by history.  Hell 2000 and 2003 we had more teams participating than what the 2013 and 2017 so much for the Lazzavision.

[MischiefBDA 1]

2 hours ago, barfy said:

^ funny it still says you have 16 posts of shit talk newbie

[edit] iggy, not really need to see your 17

Feel free to name your 10 syndicates big boy.

[pluscount 7]

46 minutes ago, MischiefBDA said:

Feel free to name your 10 syndicates big boy.

Realizable sources assure me that Team Anarchy finally have their act together after these oh so many years and are actively hiring crew and staff.

[Miffy 2,120]

3 hours ago, DevsNzL said:

Hmmm well if we go by past history, 11 teams participated in the 2000 lv cup, and 9 teams in the 2003 lv cup.  And you can only go by history.  Hell 2000 and 2003 we had more teams participating than what the 2013 and 2017 so much for the Lazzavision.

 

To be fair - those events occurred before the big recession and syndicate sailing hasn't really recovered to those levels since.

[Sailbydate 2,391]

4 hours ago, MischiefBDA said:

Feel free to name your 10 syndicates big boy.

They won't even name themselves until the ACC and Proto is published. 

[Indio 775]

7 hours ago, DevsNzL said:

Hmmm well if we go by past history, 11 teams participated in the 2000 lv cup, and 9 teams in the 2003 lv cup.  And you can only go by history.  Hell 2000 and 2003 we had more teams participating than what the 2013 and 2017 so much for the Lazzavision.

..and 2010 combined 

[KiwiJoker 314]

The stated need to complete"legacy facilities" within the next two or three years is looney toons, plain and simple.

Orsman talks about two years to get a site up and running.  Hey, call it three years.  If Auckland Council could resolve resource consents in that time it would be a bloody miracle.

While we're all hopeful of a successful defence in 2021 it's far from guaranteed. The Cup's departure in '21, heaven's forbid,  would take the heat off legacy planning.

The only practical way forward involves embracing a fast-start temporary solution for AC36 while getting to grips with research, design, RMA and permit action, hopefully complete by '22, in time to begin construction of a multifunctional waterfront facility for hosting future AC's Volvo Races, etc

The only available site close to the city and available for immediate development is Wynyard Wharf and the tank farm on the adjacent point currently slated for long term apartments and park development. The tanks are apparently empty and the leases run out in the next couple of years. A few million dollars to accelerate access and a few million for temporary paving would deliver a handsome site within walking distance to downtown and adjacent to the North Wharf restaurant complex and the Event Centre.

 

 

 

[~Stingray~~ 38]

10 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

The stated need to complete"legacy facilities" within the next two or three years is looney toons, plain and simple.

Orsman talks about two years to get a site up and running.  Hey, call it three years.  If Auckland Council could resolve resource consents in that time it would be a bloody miracle.

While we're all hopeful of a successful defence in 2021 it's far from guaranteed. The Cup's departure in '21, heaven's forbid,  would take the heat off legacy planning.

The only practical way forward involves embracing a fast-start temporary solution for AC36 while getting to grips with research, design, RMA and permit action, hopefully complete by '22, in time to begin construction of a multifunctional waterfront facility for hosting future AC's Volvo Races, etc

The only available site close to the city and available for immediate development is Wynyard Wharf and the tank farm on the adjacent point currently slated for long term apartments and park development. The tanks are apparently empty and the leases run out in the next couple of years. A few million dollars to accelerate access and a few million for temporary paving would deliver a handsome site within walking distance to downtown and adjacent to the North Wharf restaurant complex and the Event Centre.

 

 

 

What's your opinion on the Westhaven option?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11897235

[barfy 1,053]

so true, and not anything near the cost and complexity of extending Halsey St wharf.

But as I've been saying, try prying the land from the hands of the speculators who have spent so much dosh lobbying for their apartments, which will not be inhabited by those working downtown but snatched up by foreign investment like all the waterfront apt's in vancouver for instance. At least with the cooling real estate ATM there could be a chance.

These negotiations are what in all likelihood are delaying the announcement of the protocol.

[maxmini 61]

They are making the location search doubly hard on themselves.

They are planning for 8 compounds when they could very well have four empty ones. 

[KiwiJoker 314]

13 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

What's your opinion on the Westhaven option?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11897235

Westhaven option is nothing more than pretty pictures.

Lengthy, narrow, restricted road access past the yacht clubs to the proposed site.

Proposed site way too small for syndicate ops.

Dunno about water depth but questionable.

Restricted parking in the immediate area surrounding Westhaven moorings.

A long hike from downtown waterfront. 

Not attractive for public access. 

[KiwiJoker 314]

5 hours ago, barfy said:

so true, and not anything near the cost and complexity of extending Halsey St wharf.

But as I've been saying, try prying the land from the hands of the speculators who have spent so much dosh lobbying for their apartments, which will not be inhabited by those working downtown but snatched up by foreign investment like all the waterfront apt's in vancouver for instance. At least with the cooling real estate ATM there could be a chance.

These negotiations are what in all likelihood are delaying the announcement of the protocol.

Read what I said. 

This is Auckland Council-controlled land, not scheduled for development for six to eight years.  Use for AC would be temporary, for one defence only.

So a relatively inexpensive and attractive location which could even accelerate the planned park and apartment development

And, double-edged sword.  It would also buy seven year's time to plan, consent and build the "legacy" site for for Volvo Races, hopefully America's Cups, and other marine-related events.

My guess is that Dalton know exactly what ETNZ needs and is battling hard to fight his way through all the know-it-all pols and poseurs to get it accomplished while all the time trying to keep Bertelli on a slow simmer.

[KiwiJoker 314]

1 hour ago, maxmini said:

They are making the location search doubly hard on themselves.

They are planning for 8 compounds when they could very well have four empty ones. 

Good point, but Auckland has to plan for all comers.

By now Dalton must have a good handle on likely challengers. That should help.

And, of course, the Protocol plus Auckland hosting facilities and their cost to challengers will help to decide who makes a bid

An interesting juggling act for the Defenders and for the city..

[~Stingray~~ 38]

On 9/9/2017 at 10:48 PM, KiwiJoker said:

Good point, but Auckland has to plan for all comers.

By now Dalton must have a good handle on likely challengers. That should help.

And, of course, the Protocol plus Auckland hosting facilities and their cost to challengers will help to decide who makes a bid

An interesting juggling act for the Defenders and for the city..

With no alternative venue likely, what prevents Auckland from charging ETNZ for facilities rental and/or construction?

[jaysper 392]

On 14/09/2017 at 8:36 AM, ~Stingray~ said:

With no alternative venue likely, what prevents Auckland from charging ETNZ for facilities rental and/or construction?

Auckland is in a tough spot IMO. 

ETNZ would potentially shop the AC around if Auckland started acting like total pricks. If Auckland DID lose the AC hosting rights, the public would blame the city and not the team.

The mayor of Auckland is a total commie who has spent his whole life suckling at the public teet and will do anything to  avoid having to  spit it out of his mouth.

[Groucho Marx 176]

Reds under the bed and other defecation (as usual) pouring from your large head orifice, Jaysper?

 

[Nutta 206]

Nah, Jayspers got this one right...

[KiwiJoker 314]

On 9/14/2017 at 8:36 AM, ~Stingray~ said:

With no alternative venue likely, what prevents Auckland from charging ETNZ for facilities rental and/or construction?

Duuuuuh!

For starters the team and club can't afford it.

And the local and nat pols have already said they'll check in for infrastructure.

 

[jaysper 392]

13 hours ago, Nutta said:

Nah, Jayspers got this one right...

He doesn't know and doesn't care. Just an opportunity to be a cunt.

Wish he'd put ME on ignore.

Spindio promised to but never did - lying prick.

[barfy 1,053]

On 9/10/2017 at 5:45 PM, KiwiJoker said:

Read what I said. 

This is Auckland Council-controlled land, not scheduled for development for six to eight years.  Use for AC would be temporary, for one defence only.

So a relatively inexpensive and attractive location which could even accelerate the planned park and apartment development

And, double-edged sword.  It would also buy seven year's time to plan, consent and build the "legacy" site for for Volvo Races, hopefully America's Cups, and other marine-related events.

My guess is that Dalton know exactly what ETNZ needs and is battling hard to fight his way through all the know-it-all pols and poseurs to get it accomplished while all the time trying to keep Bertelli on a slow simmer.

No, I agree that it's an attractive location. I just have misgivings about the process that has led to planned apartments and condo's with marine industry relegated to ground floor of high price real estate, if they can afford it. Talking about the existing development plans and projecting of course.

I would love that a park, AC and Volvo village get made at the tanks. I think of the Cloud, supposed to be a temporary structure but now open to the public most days and holding events that truly enhance the waterfront.

[~Stingray~~ 38]

11 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

Duuuuuh!

For starters the team and club can't afford it.

And the local and nat pols have already said they'll check in for infrastructure.

 

Isn't there some harbor up near Murray's Bay or somesuch that's been mentioned, that would be a lot cheaper? 

[jaysper 392]

2 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Isn't there some harbor up near Murray's Bay or somesuch that's been mentioned, that would be a lot cheaper? 

You mean where nobody would bother going to watch it?

[~Stingray~~ 38]

5 minutes ago, jaysper said:

You mean where nobody would bother going to watch it?

Where did the 2000 and 2003 AC's get run, were they not in the waters NW of Rangitoto?

[jaysper 392]

53 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Where did the 2000 and 2003 AC's get run, were they not in the waters NW of Rangitoto?

But where were the bases etc? Right in the heart of downtown Jaffaland. 

[Terry Hollis 306]

39 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Where did the 2000 and 2003 AC's get run, were they not in the waters NW of Rangitoto?

Previous America's Cups were held in the Hauraki Gulf with two areas set aside for the challengers and the defenders,  The Hauraki Gulf can be fairly tough in a NE wind which is why Dalton favours monos rather than cats because they will be able to cope with a wider range of conditions.

There is nowhere along the East Coast adjacent to the Hauraki Gulf that it suitable for an AC village but they could have the village on the Whangaparaoa Peninsula which would be fine for the teams but bad because it is a significant drive for Auckland visitors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whangaparaoa_Peninsula   

[~Stingray~~ 38]

4 minutes ago, Terry Hollis said:

Previous America's Cups were held in the Hauraki Gulf with two areas set aside for the challengers and the defenders,  The Hauraki Gulf can be fairly tough in a NE wind which is why Dalton favours monos rather than cats because they will be able to cope with a wider range of conditions.

There is nowhere along the East Coast adjacent to the Hauraki Gulf that it suitable for an AC village but they could have the village on the Whangaparaoa Peninsula which would be fine for the teams but bad because it is a significant drive for Auckland visitors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whangaparaoa_Peninsula   

Yes, I think that's the place RG referred to, during his webcast this week with TE. He described it as a nice area with good restaurants and bars; and TE knew of it too, compared it to Sausalito across the Bay from SF. 

RG suggested that ETNZ practiced out there a lot in this cycle, and that it is good in both NE and SW winds because of it being clear of Rangitoto interferences. I think he mentioned a port/harbor somewhere nearby too.

[~Stingray~~ 38]

Thinking back, I believe it was Gulf Harbour that RG mentioned in it, as a possible alternative bases location should Auk not work out. 

[~Stingray~~ 38]

2 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Thinking back, I believe it was Gulf Harbour that RG mentioned in it, as a possible alternative bases location should Auk not work out. 

Actually, RG said it was explored last time the Cup was down there, not this time. Also said it was too shallow and would have needed dredging - something they also ended up doing in the Viaduct.

That specific part is somewhere after 12 minutes into the webcast 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=439722656428578&id=356074584793386&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sailingillustrated.com%2Fsingle-post%2F2017%2F09%2F12%2FTuesdays-with-TFE-Watch-a-replay-of-todays-informative-show-on-AC36-with-guest-Richard-Gladwell-NZL-via-Skype-from-Auckland&_rdr

[nav 472]

^ Lost your LE gig along with all the rest eh spinboy...

Shame - and pimping for Gulf Harbour now? Nice hats I hear, good luck with that

[~Stingray~~ 38]

19 minutes ago, nav said:

^ Lost your LE gig along with all the rest eh spinboy...

Shame - and pimping for Gulf Harbour now? Nice hats I hear, good luck with that

Speak for yourself, nutcase

[barfy 1,053]

On 9/17/2017 at 6:13 AM, ~Stingray~ said:

Speak for yourself, nutcase

and please nutcase; i see you don't have yur west coast mafia to supply you with buzzphrases for your signature anymore..the one yur pushing is Pretty Fucking Lame.

You better figure out a new agenda quick....and maybe a team to support rather than just shit talk ETNZ.

that would be fun...

[ColinG 17]

You ever think this is getting a bit out of hand?

This is a frigging boat race of limited interest to 99.9% of the world, not the Olympics. 

Time to go back to boats you can moor off the yacht club...

[Xlot 696]

On another tack ... too early for exit polls? What would be the impact of this Jacindamania thing?

 

[hoom 514]

http://electionresults.govt.nz/

A bit disappointing for Labour but can go either way depending on where Winston First goes.

[Sailbydate 2,391]

Proto announcement expected, Friday 29 Sept.

"While the key changes have already been sign-posted, the devil will be in the detail. Dana Johannsen highlights what to expect".

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11925664

 

[~Stingray~~ 38]

31 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Proto announcement expected, Friday 29 Sept.

"While the key changes have already been sign-posted, the devil will be in the detail. Dana Johannsen highlights what to expect".

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11925664

 

I wonder if she got an insider hint about these coming. edit, perhaps it simply makes sense

"... there may be a couple of wee nuggets to be gleaned from the Protocol. The size of the crew will provide a pointer to the size of the boat, and we may also learn if there'll be any one-design elements.

One key rule to be confirmed is how many boats each of the teams will be permitted to build, which will give an indication of the likely costs of competing - one key barrier to entry in the America's Cup."

[Barnyb 144]

America's Cup - Slingsby optimistic about Australian Challenger

 

Oracle Team USA's tactician Tom Slingsby is keen on a Australian team rising to the challenge of competing at the next America's Cup in Auckland.

 

The likelihood of some of Australia's best sailors jumping ship, including that of Oracle skipper, Jimmy Spithill would only increase should Larry Ellison opt out of the Cup, which Slingsby concedes looks to be the case.

'I don't think he will, personally,' Slingsby said.

'I don't know this for sure, but our beef with Team New Zealand I think, it was often a bit too personal at times on some of the attacks.

'Larry's put a lot into the sport, love him or hate him and think he might feel a bit disrespected with the way it all went down.'

http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-Cup---Slingsby-optimistic-about-Australian-Challenger/157509?source=l.facebook

[Barnyb 144]

More BS from JS

America's Cup - Switch to monohulls is a step back – Jimmy Spithill

Spithill said he had total admiration for the courage and fight that Dalton showed in getting up off the canvas, but was quick to point out that he played only a minor role in the Kiwis winning back the silverware.

 

"If it's a certain type of boat, you would be after a certain type of engineer or designer. You need to know what the goal-posts are, before you have a discussion on it and that's what makes it so tough to win.

"I want to approach it with an open mind, and thoroughly read through it and understand it, before looking into the future too much. For me, we need more details, which is why it's tough having too much discussion about it … but yeah, let's just what and see. "

 

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2017/09/team-new-zealand-s-switch-to-monohull-s-is-a-step-back-for-the-america-s-cup-jimmy-spithill.html

 

[Tornado-Cat 809]

3 hours ago, Barnyb said:

More BS from JS

America's Cup - Switch to monohulls is a step back – Jimmy Spithill

Spithill said he had total admiration for the courage and fight that Dalton showed in getting up off the canvas, but was quick to point out that he played only a minor role in the Kiwis winning back the silverware.

 

"If it's a certain type of boat, you would be after a certain type of engineer or designer. You need to know what the goal-posts are, before you have a discussion on it and that's what makes it so tough to win.

"I want to approach it with an open mind, and thoroughly read through it and understand it, before looking into the future too much. For me, we need more details, which is why it's tough having too much discussion about it … but yeah, let's just what and see. "

 

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2017/09/team-new-zealand-s-switch-to-monohull-s-is-a-step-back-for-the-america-s-cup-jimmy-spithill.html

 

Thanks for the article Barnyb.

In clear i read that JS is leading a syndicate but that it is very difficult to shop the right architect without know the boat.

Which gives all the time to GD and P$B to pick the best architects and let the other teams chose the rest later.

[jaysper 392]

7 hours ago, Barnyb said:

More BS from JS

America's Cup - Switch to monohulls is a step back – Jimmy Spithill

Spithill said he had total admiration for the courage and fight that Dalton showed in getting up off the canvas, but was quick to point out that he played only a minor role in the Kiwis winning back the silverware.

 

"If it's a certain type of boat, you would be after a certain type of engineer or designer. You need to know what the goal-posts are, before you have a discussion on it and that's what makes it so tough to win.

"I want to approach it with an open mind, and thoroughly read through it and understand it, before looking into the future too much. For me, we need more details, which is why it's tough having too much discussion about it … but yeah, let's just what and see. "

 

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2017/09/team-new-zealand-s-switch-to-monohull-s-is-a-step-back-for-the-america-s-cup-jimmy-spithill.html

 

That is total weasel words.

I'm not great fan of GD, but without him there would have been no ETNZ let alone a victory.

Did GD design the boat or sail it? No, of course fucking not.

But based on this assessment, you can argue quite strongly that Larry Ellison had little to do with Oracle having ever won the cup.

Totally transparent dick move by Jimmy.

[Sailbydate 2,391]

21 minutes ago, jaysper said:

That is total weasel words.

I'm not great fan of GD, but without him there would have been no ETNZ let alone a victory.

Did GD design the boat or sail it? No, of course fucking not.

But based on this assessment, you can argue quite strongly that Larry Ellison had little to do with Oracle having ever won the cup.

Totally transparent dick move by Jimmy.

JS just being his usual fuckwit self.

And his hypocrisy is immense.

[KiwiJoker 314]

On 9/24/2017 at 8:48 AM, ~Stingray~ said:

I wonder if she got an insider hint about these coming. edit, perhaps it simply makes sense

"... there may be a couple of wee nuggets to be gleaned from the Protocol. The size of the crew will provide a pointer to the size of the boat, and we may also learn if there'll be any one-design elements.

One key rule to be confirmed is how many boats each of the teams will be permitted to build, which will give an indication of the likely costs of competing - one key barrier to entry in the America's Cup."

Glad you got something out of it.   I saw it as about 1,000 words saying I-don't-know-Jack-shit!.

For once, no crit on my part about Dana's reporting.  She had space she had to fill but Dalts has managed to shut down info on this part at least.  

Of course there are still four days for an Italian full disclosure spew.

[barfy 1,053]

20 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Thanks for the article Barnyb.

In clear i read that JS is leading a syndicate but that it is very difficult to shop the right architect without know the boat.

Which gives all the time to GD and P$B to pick the best architects and let the other teams chose the rest later.

fuck, nothing like the year that OR had last time around...oh, and the quick change up of something small like boat length after a year...

TC, you are channeling spinbot shit right now...get a life

[Tornado-Cat 809]

41 minutes ago, barfy said:

fuck, nothing like the year that OR had last time around...oh, and the quick change up of something small like boat length after a year...

TC, you are channeling spinbot shit right now...get a life

I did not try to express a personal opinion here, but a personal interpretation of JS comments. I don't know if I am right or wrong, but he may have a point.

[barfy 1,053]

21 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

I did not try to express a personal opinion here, but a personal interpretation of JS comments. I don't know if I am right or wrong, but he may have a point.

well i'm glad yur not being assertive

[~Stingray~~ 38]

Tuesdays with TFE: This week's live guest – Alan Block aka 'Mr Clean,' deputy editor of Sailing Anarchy

https://www.sailingillustrated.com/single-post/2017/09/26/Tuesdays-with-TFE-This-weeks-live-guest-–-Alan-Block-aka-Mr-Clean-deputy-editor-of-Sailing-Anarchy

[~Stingray~~ 38]

^ Coincidence in the timing?

" We'll discuss the latest Volvo Ocean Race news including Mark Turner's departure as CEO announced overnight, previewing the release of the AC36 Protocol coming this Thursday (Friday morning NZ time), and more. "

[Barnyb 144]

The Protocol for the 36th America's Cup will be released this Friday 29th September. Tune in at 10am to watch it LIVE right here on the Emirates Team New Zealand Facebook page.

[nav 472]

^ Sounds likely there may well be teasers from the get together the night before as well though.

[DA-WOODY 973]

The Loaded HOG gunna Rise from the Ashes

or will I need to find another home 

[Barnyb 144]

 

 

[~Stingray~~ 38]

1 minute ago, Barnyb said:

 

 

Thanks

[nav 472]

here too...

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/97372284/live-americas-cup-2021-rules-reveal

 

75ft  (March?)

CIC vague

20% passport&citizen + 80% resident minimum 1 year out of 2

Auckland 2021 - duh

[jaysper 392]

As I predicted, the nationality rules are weak as piss.

Any team that can't meet those requirements don't belong in a local club regatta.

[Barnyb 144]

Competitive but not biased, fair rules

Separates challenger and defender

Monohull 75 ft

Doctrine of cost reduction

Country of origin

Nationality - 20% of sailors in competing team, residency at 385 days

Event in Auckland 2021, 

Host city agreement WIP

Pre-regatta 

 

 

[nav 472]

@ Stuff

 

 

Sep 28, 2017 10:39 PM

Andrew Voerman

 

The Protocol for the 36th America's Cup is being announced.

* The boat - as has been reported, it's a monohull. 75 feet long. Drawings and concept images of the boat to come on November 30, the design rules by March 31 next year.

* 20 per cent of sailors in competing teams must have passports or be citizens of that team's country, and the rest must meet residency requirements - they must reside in that team's country for 380 days from September 1 2018 to September 1 2020.

* The event is set to be held in Auckland in 2021. Boats are set to arrive from 2019 - pre regattas to be held that year and in 2020. Work needs to begin on infrastructure soon. No agreement in place with Auckland yet.

* Teams will be allowed to build two boats.

Updated Sep 28, 2017 11:15 PM

 

...........................................................................

 

- foiling and non-foiling designs still being evaluated

 

- Some one design elements

 

- 10-12 crew likely

 

- independent RD

 

- independent MC

 

- jury and arbitration panel

 

- upwind starts, longer pre-starts, longer races

[KoW 16]

- Races longer duration than Bermuda, but still under an hour

- Some one-design elements to constrain costs but not in key performance areas

- Restrictions on materials

- Weather data gathering prohibited

- Tank testing and wind tunnel testing prohibited

[~Stingray~~ 38]

Nationality rules as were described are far less 'harsh' (Burling's word recently) than what most expected.

GD did well in this event. But he may have  unintentionally slipped a strong hint later in it, that foils ~will~ be a factor.

P$B's presence suggests there will be a very large Prada influence in the shape of the whole event, it's not just the CSS but the AC itself his company will brand and presumably fund.

Cagliari is the back pocket alternative should a (financial or otherwise?) 'catastrophe' cause an inability to hold it in Auckland. Echoes of the AC34/SF negotiations..

 

[~Stingray~~ 38]

Anyone have a link to the Protocol itself?

[chesirecat 433]

So how much is hosting this event going to cost and who's paying for it. More or less expensive than Bermuda or SF

[nav 472]

16 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Anyone have a link to the Protocol itself?

Sure it/they are here, Clean posted...

 

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8BTnNO2cz5DbjFpZjg2UkhmaEk

[~Stingray~~ 38]

28 minutes ago, nav said:

Sure it/they are here, Clean posted...

 

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8BTnNO2cz5DbjFpZjg2UkhmaEk

Thanks, what I've read so far looks pretty good.

For Adobe non-experts like me, is there a simple way to search and to copy the text in this pdf format?

[Barnyb 144]

https://twitter.com/toddniall

Worth following Todd Niall

GD speaking about 8 challengers

GA "There will be foils of some kind" ...."The Boats won't be slow. They will be high performance"

 

 

[nav 472]

^ www.panuku.co.nz

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/WaterfrontAuckland

[NSP 126]

2 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Thanks, what I've read so far looks pretty good.

For Adobe non-experts like me, is there a simple way to search and to copy the text in this pdf format?

It looks to be an image file saved as a PDF rather than a searchable doc, so will probably need to wait until an online version appears or someone converts it.