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Just now, Barnyb said:

Talking like a true socialist. I hear socialism is rife down there in Wellington at the moment! It should pass. The children will grow up.

No totally different! 

The socialists are happy to spend as much of the rich pricks money FOR THEM.

But yes Malibu Cindy and her pals seemed to have taken to it like a duck to water.

Did you see the sanctimonious hypocrisy of the 25 (?) Year old Green MP who thought it was disgraceful that she earns $160,000?

She said she assuaged some of the guilt by using some of it helping family and tried to spend as much of it at local fairs and markets. 

So in other words she overcomes the guilt of being paid outrageous sums for being utterly useless  by spending their money like pretty much the rest of us do. Stupid little idiot.

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20 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

This sucks, first I’d heard of it, he’s done some good interviews over the years:

Why do people keep employing Tony Veitch? https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/99162328/why-do-people-keep-employing-tony-veitch

So it's possible to push someone away in the heat of an argument if they won't get away from you but you don't break the person's back doing it.

He has never actually owned his actions as far as I know. Totally immature pratt that seems to take no responsibility for his actions. 

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1 hour ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Why do people keep employing Tony Veitch?

Its a great mystery.

KDP was my boss at the time this came out, we had no idea until suddenly news stories.

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On 17/11/2017 at 7:04 AM, DA-WOODY said:

Things that MUST be addressed

(1) Bar like the LOADED HOG within crawling distance

(2) Dock space for DA-WOODY

that's about it B)

TNZ has Never Lost a CUP while I was in NZL !!!!

shuldda got me there in 2003 B)

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1) Swashbucklers.. A real sailors bar. (sshhhhh) 

2) Pull up outside. (or put Da Woody on the Dry Stack..) 

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24 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

1) Swashbucklers.. A real sailors bar. (sshhhhh) 

2) Pull up outside. (or put Da Woody on the Dry Stack..) 

 

25 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

1) Swashbucklers.. A real sailors bar. (sshhhhh) 

2) Pull up outside. (or put Da Woody on the Dry Stack..) 

So! Back to the select AC base locations, ie the dispersed central Halsey/Hobson/Wynyard concept, costed out at $137 mill.  

And Feh! to Veitchy and overpriced shopping bags.

Must say the compromise site selection is a good one, especially given the narrow range of logical options.

Central wharves were never a starter for a legacy project, given the need for an eventual move of the port out of downtown Auckland and the consequent redesign and development of that area.

Good for Economic Development Minister David Parker stepping in and drawing attention to the possibilities at Wynard Wharf. His input helped spur the rethink by councilors, even though the final result was a modest three bases on the perimeter of the oil tanks.

What’s more we’re bound to see more changes and refinements before the final version goes out for consent.

So what do I like with the dispersed option?

·       All bases closely grouped and within short walking distance of each other.

·       Close access for public to wide range of bars, cafes, restaurants, starting at North Wharf restaurant row and across to Princes Wharf and Viaduct Harbour

·       All within easy walk from Queen Street and downtown transport

·       Enlarged Halsey Wharf is definitely a legacy, although perhaps smaller than Team NZ wanted. It will become a centre for future ACs, Volvo Races, boat shows, multihull inshore stadium style events, waka ama racing, etc.

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Sensationalism from the Herald

America's Cup: Team NZ demand for hosting fee has potential to take Cup from Auckland

Team New Zealand's demand for a 'hosting fee' has the potential to take the America's Cup away from Auckland in 2021.

Government minister David Parker told Newstalk ZB's Tony Veitch that Team NZ were asking for a 'significant' hosting fee as Cup defenders, on top of their infastructure expenses.

"I think there's a point beyond where they [Team New Zealand] wouldn't be pushed either. And they've got to have some things which make this viable for them and that's the nature of the negotiation."

The 'hosting fee' has been standard in the America's Cup since 2007 when Alinghi took the Cup to Valencia. Each subsequent Cup has had a hosting fee.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11947869&ref=NZH_fb

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25 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

Sensationalism from the Herald

America's Cup: Team NZ demand for hosting fee has potential to take Cup from Auckland

Team New Zealand's demand for a 'hosting fee' has the potential to take the America's Cup away from Auckland in 2021.

Government minister David Parker told Newstalk ZB's Tony Veitch that Team NZ were asking for a 'significant' hosting fee as Cup defenders, on top of their infastructure expenses.

"I think there's a point beyond where they [Team New Zealand] wouldn't be pushed either. And they've got to have some things which make this viable for them and that's the nature of the negotiation."

The 'hosting fee' has been standard in the America's Cup since 2007 when Alinghi took the Cup to Valencia. Each subsequent Cup has had a hosting fee.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11947869&ref=NZH_fb

Well what the fuck did they expect? For it to be dropped in their lap gratis? Especially after ditching etnz in the last cycle.

If you want to cultivate a purely commercial relationship with them, it cuts both ways.

They will bend over and take it or there will be bloodshed at the next election.

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I totally support a hosting fee. 

Why should ETNZ bear all the cost / risk and the City get all the benefit scot free. 

Phil Goff, elected Mayor on the Ratepayers & Pennypinchers ticket has said from day one - "we're happy to receive all benefits from the Cup, as long as it doesn't cost us any thing". 

I love my city, but find the new freeloading mentality obnoxious.

I'm more than happy to visit Italy for AC36, one of my favourite places. 

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3 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

I totally support a hosting fee. 

Why should ETNZ bear all the cost / risk and the City get all the benefit scot free. 

Phil Goff, elected Mayor on the Ratepayers & Pennypinchers ticket has said from day one - "we're happy to receive all benefits from the Cup, as long as it doesn't cost us any thing". 

I love my city, but find the new freeloading mentality obnoxious.

I'm more than happy to visit Italy for AC36, one of my favourite places. 

I do agree, the freeloader attitude sucks.

They did fuck all to help etnz win this thing, taking a "what's in it for me approach", which I have absolutely ZERO PROBLEM with.

BUT now that ETNZ have the cup, don't act all sanctimonious when they return the favour and ask what's in it for them.

I would not be at all unhappy to see ETNZ walk away with $60 million from this deal. Perhaps permanent ownership of their new base plus cash.

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28 minutes ago, jaysper said:

I do agree, the freeloader attitude sucks.

They did fuck all to help etnz win this thing, taking a "what's in it for me approach", which I have absolutely ZERO PROBLEM with.

BUT now that ETNZ have the cup, don't act all sanctimonious when they return the favour and ask what's in it for them.

I would not be at all unhappy to see ETNZ walk away with $60 million from this deal. Perhaps permanent ownership of their new base plus cash.

They owe the city NO favours. TNZ's prior success built the Viaduct area from a smelly eyesore into the jewel of the city. 

In thanks, they got hostility from their fair weather friends, pushed out of their base to one 1/5th the size and forced to pay commercial market rent. 

I'm thinking the only reason they don't give Auckland the 2 fingered sayonara salute is because they have a close relationship with the marine industry (who have stood by them), and they are at their core a true kiwi team, who want to represent NZ. 

ps- $60M was ironically the figure in my head too. A Council so adept at user pays, should not baulk at being the user that pays. 

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4 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

They owe the city NO favours. TNZ's prior success built the Viaduct area from a smelly eyesore into the jewel of the city. 

In thanks, they got hostility from their fair weather friends, pushed out of their base to one 1/5th the size and forced to pay commercial market rent. 

I'm thinking the only reason they don't give Auckland the 2 fingered sayonara salute is because they have a close relationship with the marine industry (who have stood by them), and they are at core a true kiwi team, who want to represent NZ. 

Also there is a real cost in having to establish a base on foreign soil including accommodation etc.

But yes, I agree they owe Auckland and the Nz government fuck all.

I'm not big on welfare (private or corporate ) but really NZ has always gotten more out of ETNZ than it ever paid in, even in the cup cycles where they were unsuccessful. 

So to cut them loose and then expect a free ride is both fucking typically the nz government and grossly unacceptable. 

I would hate the cup to go to Italy but I know exactly who would be to blame if it did.

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I like David Parker's attitude in the interview. he accepts that the AC is a very good opportunity for Akld/NZ and accepts the Govt has a part to play (and will benefit enormously) - remember 15% of all spend goes to the Govt as GST!

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3 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

I like David Parker's attitude in the interview. he accepts that the AC is a very good opportunity for Akld/NZ and accepts the Govt has a part to play (and will benefit enormously) - remember 15% of all spend goes to the Govt as GST!

Agree and $60M is about 5% of projected economic benefit. Seems like a just reward to me. 

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I wonder if you reversed the order of things and Dalts had said to the City and Govt. "We'll go and try to win the thing, but it'll cost us a bomb and there's no guarantee we'll succeed. But, if we do what are you prepared to chip in, as our chief Italian benefactor might like to hold it in Italy, or our chief sponsor, in Dubai"  

They would scramble to sign a winners fee and 5% would be no issue. However, now that it's achieved and location is almost a sure thing, expect to hear the foot dragging for miles. 

Ever tried to negotiate payment terms after a job is complete...? 

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21 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

I like David Parker's attitude in the interview. he accepts that the AC is a very good opportunity for Akld/NZ and accepts the Govt has a part to play (and will benefit enormously) - remember 15% of all spend goes to the Govt as GST!

Not exactly true.

All visiting super yachts etc claim back a 100% rebate of the gst content of what they spend whilst in Auckland .

I may be wrong but that applies to the competing syndicates as well.

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So, an unsigned beat-up story from the Herald talking about hosting fees.  Something they say without substantiation, that has been common since 2007

However the Herald fails to inform us who benefited from these fees -- host city organisers or defending clubs or their teams.

I have no problem with a hosting fee but if the defending team is already being supported with provision of a venue and bases why should the defender team or home team benefit?

If the hosting fee is to cover defender club expenses like provision of committee and patrol boats, I'm good with that but of course the Herald totally fails to provide context.

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Any bean counters out there that could  shine a light on how the defending syndicate makes and distributes a profit from the Cup.

The hosting fee was paid in Valencia ,San Fran and Bermuda.

Exactly how much was paid by the hosting city to the then Cup holder.

Considering that the host shoulders the costs of the supply of Cup related infrastructure ,does the host have the ability to claw back some of the costs by way of rental income from participating syndicates.

$60 million host fee on top of say all up $250million of infrastructure spend is the publics contribution/gift to a single Cup defence.

Does the private sector make any contribution to the event costs at all.

 

 

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The category "hosting fee" is a convenient way of ensuring that funds are available to host the event. I would not see it as a bonus for good performance in BDA but instead a label to ring fence funds that can be assigned both from Govt and for organising the event.

A little hard to describe quickly but, say TNZ and RNZYS go to Govt and request assistance in putting on a world class event. The Govt would allocate money, but would have conditions attached to that money. Those conditions are outlined in a hosting agreement. It would be fair to say that Govt would be a partner in that hosting.

I would suggest this is separate from money going to TNZ that was not for hosting (pay, construction ,...). The Govt I think should sponsor TNZ (in addition to the hosting fee). This sponsorship should come from Trade and Enterprise and is money that can be justified due to the  promotion of the Marine Industry in NZ, high tech bla bla on the international stage.

Looking at this sponsorship amount, NZTE would receive extremely good coverage for its sponsorship and could promote New Zealand businesses alongside international and credible brands such as Prada.

 

Not wanting to float my own boat but, it is the type of analysis that I have just touched on that was lacking in the NZ Herald piece. Those from NZ would not be surprised by this statement.

 

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4 hours ago, Barnyb said:

I like David Parker's attitude in the interview. he accepts that the AC is a very good opportunity for Akld/NZ and accepts the Govt has a part to play (and will benefit enormously) - remember 15% of all spend goes to the Govt as GST!

Got to admit over reacting to a sensationalist headline before reading...  Parker is quite reasonable and even handed in the Veitch interview. I hope he lives up to it... 

I am a little worried that a left leaning Mayor and Government will consider the Cup a frivolous plaything for rich men and see getting the benefits for next to nothing as a way to appease the constituency and that losing it by playing Ebenezer Scrooge will not lose them any votes. 

Parker calling the super yachts "obscenely" large is a small glimpse into this mindset. 

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Almost 2/3rds of Kiwis surveyed preferred Halsey Wharf Extension (ETNZ's preference) 

Stuff.com is one of NZ's 2 largest news outlets. 

 

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56 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

Almost 2/3rds of Kiwis surveyed preferred Halsey Wharf Extension (ETNZ's preference) 

Stuff.com is one of NZ's 2 largest news outlets. 

 

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Except for Cindy

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7 hours ago, waterboy42 said:

I'm more than happy to visit Italy for AC36, one of my favourite places. 

You're welcome any time, but while I agree ETNZ deserves a 60Mish state contribution, it would be too large an amount to be paid by Italy to a foreign entity

 

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3 minutes ago, Xlot said:

You're welcome any time, but while I agree ETNZ deserves a 60Mish state contribution, it would be too large an amount to be paid by Italy to a foreign entity

 

No doubt, but De Nora and Bertelli stood by ETNZ when the Govt, the Council and much of the public stepped away. 

It would be sad if it had to go, but it that possibility eventuated, no where would deserve it more. 

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9 hours ago, waterboy42 said:

No doubt, but De Nora and Bertelli stood by ETNZ when the Govt, the Council and much of the public stepped away. 

It would be sad if it had to go, but it that possibility eventuated, no where would deserve it more. 

Except maybe, Abu Dhabi UAE. 

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1 hour ago, Barnyb said:
 

Poll: Would you be upset if the next America's Cup was held overseas?

67% yes

 

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2017/11/poll-would-you-be-upset-if-the-next-america-s-cup-was-held-overseas.html

Well duh! I'd be incredibly disappointed for the obvious reasons, but also because of the long term damage that it would undoubtedly do to ETNZ.

That said, knowing how incompetent the Auckland Council and Government are, I wouldn't  blame ETNZ for this outcome.

But, this is a game of chicken and someone WILL blink before it comes to that.

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I'm amazed at how much people have taken the media click-bait on this subject. The Americas Cup IS NOT and WILL NOT be held overseas as long as ETNZ are the defender. ETNZ themselves have said they are not scouting locations. Yet people still think the Americas Cup will go overseas. Stop taking the click bait people! haha

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8 minutes ago, jaysper said:

But, this is a game of chicken and someone WILL blink before it comes to that.

Am confident too that all parties will compromise a little, something will get settled in due time, and everyone will move on to whatever subject comes up next.

But (lol) since the venue clearly is still for now an open question: I keep wondering how big an interest PRADA might have, in the host fee. Because if they do hold sway in setting a very high figure as a minimum then they could effectively ~force~ this thing to Italy instead. RG still thinks it a strong possibility, he wrote about it again just this weekend.

PM Ardern giving it so much positive attention today should help things along, hopefully.

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5 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Am confident too that all parties will compromise a little, something will get settled in due time, and everyone will move on to whatever subject comes up next.

But (lol) since the venue clearly is still for now an open question: I keep wondering how big an interest PRADA might have, in the host fee. Because if they do hold sway in setting a very high figure as a minimum then they could effectively ~force~ this thing to Italy instead. RG still thinks it a strong possibility, he wrote about it again just this weekend.

PM Ardern giving it so much positive attention today should help things along, hopefully.

Ok, so two things.

Firstly, Prada will have precisely FUCK ALL say in these negotiations.

Secondly, Jacinda is an absolute air head who got elected by literally saying she was going to be "relentlessly positive".

She is all piss and wind and no content, so nothing much she says should be taken to mean anything.

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12 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Firstly, Prada will have precisely FUCK ALL say in these negotiations.

I don’t have it handy but the Prot lays out very specific money accounts, along with %’s of each to go to parties like PRADA, ETNZ, even ACPI. That revenue’s gonna have to come from somewhere and this ‘Host Fee’ - that both Goff and Parker have argued ‘the other guy will have to pay for it’ - looks like a likely, big intended source. PRADA could well be a very interested party in it.

The biggest part of this Protocol is in the Commercial Clauses.

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41 minutes ago, sclarke said:

I'm amazed at how much people have taken the media click-bait on this subject. The Americas Cup IS NOT and WILL NOT be held overseas as long as ETNZ are the defender. ETNZ themselves have said they are not scouting locations. Yet people still think the Americas Cup will go overseas. Stop taking the click bait people! haha

yes agree. But what if we now went to the UAE and Russia and said why not enter the AC in Auckland

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24 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

yes agree. But what if we now went to the UAE and Russia and said why not enter the AC in Auckland

Exactly. Another reason why the story is media click-bait. 

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12 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

I don’t have it handy but the Prot lays out very specific money accounts, along with %’s of each to go to parties like PRADA, ETNZ, even ACPI. That revenue’s gonna have to come from somewhere and this ‘Host Fee’ - that both Goff and Parker have argued ‘the other guy will have to pay for it’ - looks like a likely, big intended source. PRADA could well be a very interested party in it.

The biggest part of this Protocol is in the Commercial Clauses.

I don't have the Protocol handy either but yes, it sets out the shares of the loot if the event turns a profit. Thos monies come from entry fees, etc plus all the commercial activities, royalties etc.

As for the hosting fee, that's between the defender and the host country.  Prada doesn't get a sniff of it

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35 minutes ago, KiwiJoker said:

As for the hosting fee, that's between the defender and the host country.  Prada doesn't get a sniff of it

Is that a fact (nav's initial question)? I thought that for instance in Valencia Rita's 100M(?) didn't enrich Ernesto, but went into the common pot

Of course, the follow-up question is: if the hosting fee does go towards event expenses, is ETNZ going to ask for a separate government contribution for itself like in other Cups?

 

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DP/PG -OK so we spend $200m building a base & a bunch of other stuff

TNZ ~yup

DP/PG -and now you want $80m for hosting fee?

TNZ ~right

DP/PG -and you want your pick of the spots free & permanently?

TNZ ~fo' shizzle

DP/PG -uh huh, anything else?

TNZ ~$75m team sponsorship or we take it to Abu Dhabi

DP/PG -...

TNZ ~you'll probably need to find about $40m to actually run the event because, well, we're not fucking paying for that shit, we're just poor old ETNZ

DP/PG -you fuckin' wot m8?

TNZ ~also a truckload of blow & a plane load of hookers for the boyz

DP/PG -

TNZ ~oh yeah, don't forget to make a big event area in Takapuna because the racing is gonna be just off there

TNZ ~yo, where you guys going?

DP/PG -*click, woosh* *slam*

TNZ ~beep beep boop

DP's phone -leave a message after the beep *beep*

TNZ ~probably chuck a few mill at tarting up the airport while you're at it

TNZ ~by the way have you sorted out our free 2yr Cruise-ship rental & berthing, gotta run some meet & greets you know

TNZ ~and a golf course

...

...

...

TNZ ~exclusive team lodge in Queenstown

TNZ ~since we're gonna be a bigger team this time we'll need you to KiwiBuild us a dedicated TNZ apartment building in Takapuna

TNZ ~and like 50 Teslas because we're gonna need to get to the base from Taka' & we should keep it environmentally friendly

TNZ ~well might as well throw in a handful of choppers too, Vlad said they got a lot of choppers over in Sochi you know

TNZ ~no ships in the Rangi channel 24/7 for the whole duration either, can't risk collisions & those things make huge wakes you know, we wouldn't want these boats to capsize

TNZ ~so we've been throwing some names round for the City renaming: Grantville, Burlington, Emirates Auckland, City of Americas Cup

...

..

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Dennis Conner worried about cost of radical Cup yachts

Dennis Conner is worried the cost of the radical new America's Cup yachts could prevent some syndicates from entering.

The Cup legend believes a syndicate could require more than $200 million for a competitive challenge with the radical new foiling monohulls planned for the 2021 event in Auckland.

 

"Talk about an engineering nightmare ... or an opportunity. It will be incredibly complex, the operating of this (foils) system. Breakdowns are part of racing ... not only does it have to be complex it has to be totally reliable, which is saying a lot. And these boats will capsize.

"But it's fantastic sailing on the Hauraki Gulf in Auckland and this is going to be really something."

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11948716

 

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When I first saw this I thought "Ourselves" was for all New Zealand.

It's beginning to look like it means 

For ETNZ only.

 

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1 hour ago, See Level said:

When I first saw this I thought "Ourselves" was for all New Zealand.

It's beginning to look like it means 

For ETNZ only.

 

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What an earth are you on about?

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14 minutes ago, rh2600 said:

What an earth are you on about?

Just joking about ETNZ's threat to move the cup outside New Zealand 

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I think this Poll is the most profound.

Few things get in the way of Rugby, the All Blacks and NZ's identity and national pride.

Newshub is an internet based NZ wide poll, so not Auckland biased. If Local and Central Government wants some cues (clues?) as to the importance of the AC in the average Kiwi's eyes, this is a good start.

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16 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

I think this Poll is the most profound.

Few things get in the way of Rugby, the All Blacks and NZ's identity and national pride.

Newshub is an internet based NZ wide poll, so not Auckland biased. If Local and Central Government wants some cues (clues?) as to the importance of the AC in the average Kiwi's eyes, this is a good start.

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Yup. I made the comment just before cup time that I thought that the AC would be far more important to NZ than the Lions test. And I have no doubt I was correct.

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Just now, jaysper said:

Yup. I made the comment just before cup time that I thought that the AC would be far more important to NZ than the Lions test. And I have no doubt I was correct.

I recall your quote and you have substantial validation.

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49 minutes ago, See Level said:

Just joking about ETNZ's threat to move the cup outside New Zealand 

Jokes are usually funny.

Keep to the bitchin, and I will do the jokes!

 

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55 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

I recall your quote and you have substantial validation.

To be fair I think I was only saying what most Kiwis here thought.

I've been a rabid follower of every single NZ AC campaign and i've never known NZ to be anything other than obsessed with the AC.

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49 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

Jokes are usually funny.

Keep to the bitchin, and I will do the jokes!

 

I have to say I thought it was bitching rather than joking.

So yeah See Level, Barnyb is the official anarchy joker hence forth.

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2 minutes ago, jaysper said:

To be fair I think I was only saying what most Kiwis here thought.

I've been a rabid follower of every single NZ AC campaign and i've never known NZ to be anything other than obsessed with the AC.

Rugby, Racing and Beer...   --->  Rugby, Yacht Racing and Beer B)

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31 minutes ago, jaysper said:

I have to say I thought it was bitching rather than joking.

So yeah See Level, Barnyb is the official anarchy joker hence forth.

A rabbit, a turtle and Jacinda Ardern walk into a bar......

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1 minute ago, Barnyb said:

A rabbit, a turtle and Jacinda Ardern walk into a bar......

Why the fuck would the rabbit and turtle want to be seen with that dimwit? :D

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6 hours ago, Barnyb said:

Dennis Conner worried about cost of radical Cup yachts

Dennis Conner is worried the cost of the radical new America's Cup yachts could prevent some syndicates from entering.

The Cup legend believes a syndicate could require more than $200 million for a competitive challenge with the radical new foiling monohulls planned for the 2021 event in Auckland.

 

"Talk about an engineering nightmare ... or an opportunity. It will be incredibly complex, the operating of this (foils) system. Breakdowns are part of racing ... not only does it have to be complex it has to be totally reliable, which is saying a lot. And these boats will capsize.

"But it's fantastic sailing on the Hauraki Gulf in Auckland and this is going to be really something."

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11948716

 

Conner is obsessed with $$$$..

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19 hours ago, jaysper said:

I have to say I thought it was bitching rather than joking.

So yeah See Level, Barnyb is the official anarchy joker hence forth.

Fair enough, besides I missed sclarkes post about moving the cup overseas as media clickbait and etnz's denial of scouting venues elsewhere.

No bitching was ever intended. I think it's great the cups in Auckland, it puts the racing right about at happy hour in Seattle

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5 minutes ago, animeproblem said:

Obviously that works for me as well (just how many "PNWesters" are their in this place?). 

Many more in the Cruising threads too. 

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24 minutes ago, See Level said:

Fair enough, besides I missed sclarkes post about moving the cup overseas as media clickbait and etnz's denial of scouting venues elsewhere.

No bitching was ever intended. I think it's great the cups in Auckland, it puts the racing right about at happy hour in Seattle

What do you mean "no bitching was ever intended" ?

This is SA, we all bitch, and bitchin is all we do.

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3 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

What do you mean "no bitching was ever intended" ?

This is SA, we all bitch, and bitchin is all we do.

OK, you win, that is funny!

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Dunedin firm's video shows possible Cup hub

ARL today released a video, showing what the landscape of Auckland Harbour would look like if the America's Cup village and facilities were built on the western and eastern sides of Wynyard Wharf and land called "site 18''.

"We have the boats at the right sizes, sitting where they would be in 2021, the cranes are there, the people are there: now people know what it is we're discussing'' ARL CEO Ian Taylor said.

 

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dunedin-firms-video-shows-possible-cup-hub

 

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Even with Option B the plan looks pretty fucking fantastic!
 

 

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Great! B)

Note: the vid shows the HHW option with Superyachts & hospitality at Lot18 not bases that the above text implies.

I've tried to hack together a couple of renders via Google Earth but keeps crashing & losing progress, this is much better.

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I think TNZ are finally cottoning on that this is a really great option :)

I bet they have one for the Hobson only option & realised it looks shit.

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Does one read much into this video with 2 American, 2 Australian, 1 Italian, 1 British and 1 Chinese challenger?

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The one thing I found interesting, is they have an area for the Youth teams. Wonder what they intend to use for the youth series? Are they going to bring out the 45's again? Or the same foiling mono's? Non-foiling one design mono's? 

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Looks good, BUT....

Where do the fishing boats that currently use Halsey go to?

Where does the steam tug "William C Daldy" go to?

Where do the boats that current berth inside Hobson wharf go to?

Where does the Waiheke and GBI car ferry go to?

Do Ports of Auckland have room to move these vessels to other berths that have similar facilities and truck access?

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Council plan was to move things like car ferry & fishing boats to new finger wharves on NW of Wynyard not shown here & is part of their costing.

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5 hours ago, Rskiff said:

Does one read much into this video with 2 American, 2 Australian, 1 Italian, 1 British and 1 Chinese challenger?

Yes, watch out for clandestine reclamation work around the Chinese base.. 

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3 hours ago, Count Drac said:

Looks good, BUT....

Where do the fishing boats that currently use Halsey go to?

Where does the steam tug "William C Daldy" go to?

Where do the boats that current berth inside Hobson wharf go to?

Where does the Waiheke and GBI car ferry go to?

Do Ports of Auckland have room to move these vessels to other berths that have similar facilities and truck access?

I see Hoom has covered most of these points.

Altogether a pretty impressive overview of the village the Council voted for.  More compact than the single wharf option.

Hey, this is general concept stuff for those who have difficulty with two-dimensional drawings. In prettifying the plan, the authors have taken license in wiping out two major car park areas. And they stretch credulity with their tight and impossibly cramped Mediterranean mooring for J-boats. Still, it's early days and lots of work still to be done in translating visions into reality.

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NZ's little socialist singer/entertainer and expert on pretty much everything especially if it involves males and $.

Here she demonstrates that she knows nothing about AC, but anything with males and $ must be bad eh?

 

Lizzie Marvelly: Team NZ need to pull their heads in

 

Team NZ need to reflect on their behaviour and come to the negotiating table with a bit of humility. New Zealanders want to get behind the team, to see them triumph again in the tradition of the mighty Black Magic, and to be immensely proud of our talented sailors, but we won't be played for fools. It's time for Team New Zealand to live up to the name.

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11950229&ref=NZH_fb

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Ian Taylor (very clever guy) says that "everything is there" to show how it will look, but what does it look like if there are two AC75s alongside each of the three east-Wynyard bases, and where is the breakwater that they and those superyachts would need?? 

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no problem about the ferry wake from the bayswater, birkenhead/northcotte, hobsonville, beachhaven, westpark routes...just take away the hi speed lane in front of bayswater and make everything between the ferry basin and the bridge 5kt....hahaha

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2 hours ago, Barnyb said:

NZ's little socialist singer/entertainer and expert on pretty much everything especially if it involves males and $.

Here she demonstrates that she knows nothing about AC, but anything with males and $ must be bad eh?

 

Lizzie Marvelly: Team NZ need to pull their heads in

 

Team NZ need to reflect on their behaviour and come to the negotiating table with a bit of humility. New Zealanders want to get behind the team, to see them triumph again in the tradition of the mighty Black Magic, and to be immensely proud of our talented sailors, but we won't be played for fools. It's time for Team New Zealand to live up to the name.

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11950229&ref=NZH_fb

This is the problem with New Zealand. There are a lot of ill-informed "celebs" who use their fame to convince the ill informed public in matters they know nothing about. In the article she talks about "We gave this, and we gave that, we gave them millions of dollars" but nothing about any return on that investment. Anyone would have thought Team NZ have done nothing what so ever for this country at all. These "world famous only in New Zealand" celebs need to shut their mouths and let those who are knowledgeable in those areas do the talking. 

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18 minutes ago, sclarke said:

This is the problem with New Zealand. There are a lot of ill-informed "celebs" who use their fame to convince the ill informed public in matters they know nothing about. In the article she talks about "We gave this, and we gave that, we gave them millions of dollars" but nothing about any return on that investment. Anyone would have thought Team NZ have done nothing what so ever for this country at all. These "world famous only in New Zealand" celebs need to shut their mouths and let those who are knowledgeable in those areas do the talking. 

Lizzie Marvelly, is a total melon. Not too many take her seriously fortunately. 

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26 minutes ago, sclarke said:

This is the problem with New Zealand. There are a lot of ill-informed "celebs" who use their fame to convince the ill informed public in matters they know nothing about. In the article she talks about "We gave this, and we gave that, we gave them millions of dollars" but nothing about any return on that investment. Anyone would have thought Team NZ have done nothing what so ever for this country at all. These "world famous only in New Zealand" celebs need to shut their mouths and let those who are knowledgeable in those areas do the talking. 

And she cheerfully ignores the fact that the events like Rugby World Cup charge a hosting fee of $150million. Oh wait didn't she sing the national anthem at the Final of the 2011 RWC. Bet she wasn't launching in the media about the hosting fee at that event and how many homeless that could have fed. Why would you bite the hand that feeds you? Nothing like a bit of selective morality.

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Lizzie makes a reasonably good argument that when taxpayers supported the team over the years to the tune of so many $10’s of millions it was to win the Cup back to NZ - without the expectation that the investment would somehow backfire by costing them even more if the goal was achieved.

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48 minutes ago, sclarke said:

This is the problem with New Zealand. There are a lot of ill-informed "celebs" who use their fame to convince the ill informed public in matters they know nothing about. In the article she talks about "We gave this, and we gave that, we gave them millions of dollars" but nothing about any return on that investment. Anyone would have thought Team NZ have done nothing what so ever for this country at all. These "world famous only in New Zealand" celebs need to shut their mouths and let those who are knowledgeable in those areas do the talking. 

The return on investment argument is a bit thin. 

Zero tax in due to aforementioned w/os to attract competing teams

ditto superyachts

event tourism would be an absolute trickle compared with something like the Lions tour, particularly outside the Viaduct.

About the only people who benefit are the business owners - cafes, boatbuilders and accommodation providers.

The employees are still on $17/h; wages which are still going to have to be topped up by the Government.

 So basically, we are being asked to pay around $200 million to enrichen a bunch of business owners, entertain some slightly quirky 1 percenters, and entertain the yachting fraternity.

Yes, I can't really see what people like Lizzie Marvelly are complaining about.

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8 minutes ago, webdeveloper said:

The return on investment argument is a bit thin. 

So you think there is no benefit to the country??! What about those extra jobs? What about the GST on all that extra 'quirky' activity? What about the legacy improvements to the waterfront that wouldn't happen otherwise?

Sometimes ETNZ must wonder why they even bothered ...

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1 hour ago, weta27 said:

So you think there is no benefit to the country??! What about those extra jobs? What about the GST on all that extra 'quirky' activity? What about the legacy improvements to the waterfront that wouldn't happen otherwise?

Sometimes ETNZ must wonder why they even bothered ...

Even the Economic Impact Statement by the Market Economics company acknowledged that most money spent will be internal to NZ, money spent on this instead of other things. It simply changes the mix, takes from ‘this or something else’ and adds to money spent on AC stuff instead.

The net gain would be from outside sources, extra SY visits being the largest contributor but with the potential benefit from that estimated at barely 10% of what this asked-for taxpayer investment is. Like most Govt/private-business Events, it will pay off but only to a few.

The ‘feel-good’ intangibles are harder to quantify.

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2 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Even the Economic Impact Statement by the Market Economics company acknowledged that most money spent will be internal to NZ, money spent on this instead of other things. It simply changes the mix, takes from ‘this or something else’ and adds to money spent on AC stuff instead.

The net gain would be from outside sources, extra SY visits being the largest contributor but with the potential benefit from that estimated at barely 10% of what this asked-for taxpayer investment is. Like most Govt/private-business Events, it will pay off but only to a few.

The ‘feel-good’ intangibles are harder to quantify.

Why are you even here 'twisting the knife' every chance you get?

You hate GD, TNZ, kiwis in general, anything to do with the Emirates, Aukland politics, Luna Rosa, PB, Max, anything to do with Prada, silver team kit, and in your almost 50,000 posts here you've even slagged off Burling, all the while kissing lazza, RC, TE, TO, JS, fresh, tugboat arse....

How about giving it a rest, starting a thread about the new ac50 world super league of the world you are convinced your hero lazza is about to chuck a couple of hundred $M on....

 

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2 hours ago, ro! said:

Why are you even here 'twisting the knife' every chance you get?

You hate GD, TNZ, kiwis in general, anything to do with the Emirates, Aukland politics, Luna Rosa, PB, Max, anything to do with Prada, silver team kit, and in your almost 50,000 posts here you've even slagged off Burling, all the while kissing lazza, RC, TE, TO, JS, fresh, tugboat arse....

How about giving it a rest, starting a thread about the new ac50 world super league of the world you are convinced your hero lazza is about to chuck a couple of hundred $M on....

 

Lighten up the load dude.

We all gotta survive to 2021 regardless.

Presently moored in a Waitemata bay full moon risen and sun descending,going to climb into my berth tonite counting down the days until the whole J fleet is in town.

yippee

 

 

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7 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Lizzie makes a reasonably good argument that when taxpayers supported the team over the years to the tune of so many $10’s of millions it was to win the Cup back to NZ - without the expectation that the investment would somehow backfire by costing them even more if the goal was achieved.

Taxpayers didn't "support" the team they took a sponsorship position so that the NZ Govt could leverage off the team in Valencia and San Francisco to run NZ Inc Expos in the America's Cup Village and get VIPs into the ETNZ base and on the water as part of the team. They also organised numerous trade delegations from groups of NZ companies (who paid their own way) and then used these to hook up and network in Valencia and San Francisco. 

They did nothing in Bermuda because it wasn't a strategic market for New Zealand (or anyone else).

It was a Labour Government that signed a two Cup contract with ETNZ for an investment of about NZD35million per Cup. For that they got signage, full access and patronage and the same package as other Tier 1 sponsors like Toyota etc.

If Marvelly had spent five minutes on research she would have found out most of the above. But the facts would have completely destroyed her angle.

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Marvelly is like our current Govt - too tied up in idealogical dreams to understand the facts and then apply them in a logical way. If the facts don't fit, the facts are wrong!

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2 hours ago, Barnyb said:

Marvelly is like all Govt's - too tied up in idealogical dreams to understand the facts and then apply them in a logical way. If the facts don't fit, the facts are wrong!

FIFY

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On 02/12/2017 at 2:15 PM, weta27 said:

So you think there is no benefit to the country??! What about those extra jobs? What about the GST on all that extra 'quirky' activity? What about the legacy improvements to the waterfront that wouldn't happen otherwise?

Sometimes ETNZ must wonder why they even bothered ...

The big ticket quirky activities (SY service etc) are tax free. No GST payable. We get GST on the 10 or 20 people (max 100) super-yacht owners, family, friends all dining out and doing tourism activities. But that's not really all that much.

And there will be very, very few new jobs created. We are at 4.6% unemployment - which for NZ is pretty much full employment.

I agree the 'feel good factor' and the legacy improvements to the waterfront are effects, but the point I was making was that it is understandable that people would bemoan the money being spent on this when the economic benefits derived are actually quite narrowly distributed.

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On 02/12/2017 at 10:46 AM, Barnyb said:

NZ's little socialist singer/entertainer and expert on pretty much everything especially if it involves males and $.

Here she demonstrates that she knows nothing about AC, but anything with males and $ must be bad eh?

 

Lizzie Marvelly: Team NZ need to pull their heads in

 

Team NZ need to reflect on their behaviour and come to the negotiating table with a bit of humility. New Zealanders want to get behind the team, to see them triumph again in the tradition of the mighty Black Magic, and to be immensely proud of our talented sailors, but we won't be played for fools. It's time for Team New Zealand to live up to the name.

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11950229&ref=NZH_fb

That girl represents all that is wrong with air headed celebrities except that she is only a celebrity in her own delusional mind.

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9 hours ago, Priscilla said:

Fake news.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11952436

Arctic has been here for months.

and is here quite frequently for fitouts.

Tango is also here at the moment. Now that is a nice boat!

http://www.charterworld.com/index.html?sub=yacht-charter&charter=motor-yacht-tango-6357

 

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