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Would Trump kill his own kids?

 

( ) yes

( ) no

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4 minutes ago, Amati said:

Would Trump kill his own kids?

 

( ) yes

( ) no

Pretty sure he'd eat Ivanka.

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8 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

Pretty sure he'd eat Ivanka.

I dunno..... He's a germaphobe, and Kushner's been there......

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3 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

I dunno..... He's a germaphobe, and Kushner's been there......

He didn't flinch at Stormy Daniels, and everybody's been there.

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5 hours ago, Ishmael said:

He didn't flinch at Stormy Daniels, and everybody's been there.

But she smells so pretty! Like a flower in springtime!

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President Trump took to Twitter to tell more lies.

The WALL and Amazon!!

Time for one of the sturdier members of the Trump Defense Squad to chime in.  This one will require some experience to dismiss.

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Syrian missile strike yesterday: It’s imminent !!

Syrian missile strike today: It’s not imminent and could come whenever !!

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And any day: "My hands are big! Really they are! Trust me..... Ask Stormy.... She knows!"

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No PeePee Tape.  Slimball Comey made it up. 

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On 4/13/2018 at 1:31 AM, Mrleft8 said:

And any day: "My hands are big! Really they are! Trust me..... Ask Stormy.... She knows!"

Try the cigar trick. 

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Incoming !!

Slippery James Comey, a man who always ends up badly and out of whack (he is not smart!), will go down as the WORST FBI Director in history, by far!

  1. Attorney Client privilege is now a thing of the past. I have many (too many!) lawyers and they are probably wondering when their offices, and even homes, are going to be raided with everything, including their phones and computers, taken. All lawyers are deflated and concerned!

     
  2.  

    I never asked Comey for Personal Loyalty. I hardly even knew this guy. Just another of his many lies. His “memos” are self serving and FAKE!

     
  3. The Syrian raid was so perfectly carried out, with such precision, that the only way the Fake News Media could demean was by my use of the term “Mission Accomplished.” I knew they would seize on this but felt it is such a great Military term, it should be brought back. Use often!

     
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    Comey throws AG Lynch “under the bus!” Why can’t we all find out what happened on the tarmac in the back of the plane with Wild Bill and Lynch? Was she promised a Supreme Court seat, or AG, in order to lay off Hillary. No golf and grandkids talk (give us all a break)!

     
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    The big questions in Comey’s badly reviewed book aren’t answered like, how come he gave up Classified Information (jail), why did he lie to Congress (jail), why did the DNC refuse to give Server to the FBI (why didn’t they TAKE it), why the phony memos, McCabe’s $700,000 & more?

     
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    Unbelievably, James Comey states that Polls, where Crooked Hillary was leading, were a factor in the handling (stupidly) of the Clinton Email probe. In other words, he was making decisions based on the fact that he thought she was going to win, and he wanted a job. Slimeball!

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He sounds more panicked than usual. Blurting out his usual claims and pathetic name-calling. 

And, some here still feel the need to defend the buffoon. 

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 Cohen was ordered by NY Judge Friday to produce a list of clients and proof of the work he was doing for them by this morning. Haven't heard word yet, I imagine this is going to be rather comical. He has only one 'client', and it's doubtful the court will recognize Consigliere-Don Privilege.

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He sounds like a bitchy, whiny 15 year old girl.

Unpresidented.

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47 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

He sounds like a bitchy, whiny 15 year old girl.

Unpresidented.

John Dean agrees.

 

Trump is beyond “unhinged,” he is totally uninformed, a petulant child’s mind in an overweight 70 year old body. As POTUS he is more than embarrassing, he’s dangerous. Every day he degrades his high office, and we must pray true leadership is not needed

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Whoopsies.  Looks like Sarah Huckabee Sanders is learning how to use Twitter to create a false narrative -

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The problem is, this photo shows VP Pence at the table, when we all know he was in Peru.  Ms. Sanders later amended her claim about when the photo was taken.

I always get mixed up about things I think happened "last night".  It was so long ago, how can anyone be asked to keep it straight?

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Here we go.  Threatening to violate the 1st Amendment.  

 

may 9.jpg

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2 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Somebody really needs to take away the "enter" key on his keyboard - and then shove it down his stupid throat. 

I'll have to disagree with you there. in a very strange way however.

He is providing a very clear view of what an Authoritarian leader could be in the modern era. The fact that many, nigh on 40% of American's think this is GOOD is a warning to all of us who actually believe that the President is NOT royalty/nor above the law.

We have to figure out WHY such a large % of the population wants a strong man, and work to address those issues. That's a bit why my tune has changed. Unless he's proven to have broken some serious laws, and there might be that, I'd say let the man continue his good work in building the forces of liberty to throw him and his elk out.

 

Bring on more twitter!

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Hmm, maybe this was prescient?  Is this about Trump and the Trumpian times we're in?
 

The forces of evil in a bozo nightmare
Ban all the music with a phony gas chamber
'Cause one's got a weasel and the other's got a flag
One's got on the pole shove the other in a bag
With the rerun shows and the cocaine nose job
The daytime crap with the folksinger slop
He hung himself with a guitar string
A slab of turkey neck and it's hangin' from a pigeon wing
You can't get it right if you can't relate
Trade the cash for the beef for the body for the hate
And my time is a piece of wax fallin' on a termite
That's chokin' on the splinters
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I understand your point - but, am having difficulty balancing that against the damage that his loose talk is doing on a daily basis.  
To your other point - I agree, but, question whether or not many in the country are really ready to have an honest conversation about why much of "middle america" is feeling disenfranchised to the point that they are actually cheering this buffoon. 

 

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2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Here we go.  Threatening to violate the 1st Amendment.  

 

may 9.jpg

He's trying to decide when he can sign off from the Constitution.

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42 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I understand your point - but, am having difficulty balancing that against the damage that his loose talk is doing on a daily basis.  
To your other point - I agree, but, question whether or not many in the country are really ready to have an honest conversation about why much of "middle america" is feeling disenfranchised to the point that they are actually cheering this buffoon.

It's not disenfranchisement, it's Archie Bunker grade ignorant resentment.

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11 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

It's not disenfranchisement, it's Archie Bunker grade ignorant resentment.

I think it's the death of the american dream for the non-college grad population. It's just not possible to compete with  HS education and do better than your parents did with their HS education. Blame whatever and whoever you want. Now - you can promise a return to the Good Old Days via protectionism ala Trump (which works, as Eva Dent) - or we can address the actual issues and make trade in the trades a much more common AND EXPECTED thing.

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It's a destructive resentment based on not being able to buy a new Navigator whenever you want.

The bottom level of American society lives better than 90% of the world now and 99% of everyone in history but they want to burn it down because they can't own a 100' yacht and 3 houses.

It really is as simple as that - they don't know how good they've got it because they are ignorant.

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2 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

It's a destructive resentment based on not being able to buy a new Navigator whenever you want.

The bottom level of American society lives better than 90% of the world now and 99% of everyone in history but they want to burn it down because they can't own a 100' yacht and 3 houses.

It really is as simple as that - they don't know how good they've got it because they are ignorant.

No, it's not as simple as that. It's people working hard and not being able to live as well as their parents did, buy a modest house, etc.

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U.S. income inequality has grown significantly since the early 1970s,[14] after several decades of stability,[15][16][17] and has been the subject of study of many scholars and institutions. The U.S. consistently exhibits higher rates of income inequality than most developed nations due to the nation's enhanced support of free market capitalism and less progressive spending on social services.[18][19][20][21][22]

The top 1% of households received approximately 20% of the pre-tax income in 2013,[7] versus approximately 10% from 1950 to 1980.[

 

Most of the growth in income inequality has been between the middle class and top earners, with the disparity widening the further one goes up in the income distribution.[27] The bottom 50% earned 20% of the nation's pre-tax income in 1979; this fell steadily to 14% by 2007 and 13% by 2014. Income for the middle 40% group, a proxy for the middle class, fell from 45% in 1979 to 41% in both 2007 and 2014.[28]

To put this change into perspective, if the US had the same income distribution it had in 1979, each family in the bottom 80% of the income distribution would have had $11,000 more per year in income on average in 2012, or $916 per month.[29] This figure would be $7,100 per year for the bottom 99% of families comparing 1979 and 2012, or about $600/month.[30] Half of the U.S. population lives in poverty or is low-income, according to U.S. Census data.[31]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States#2009–present

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 Half of the U.S. population lives in poverty or is low-income, according to U.S. Census data.

The problem with that is the definition of poverty.

Here it is defined as a percentage of the median income so there will always be people living in poverty no matter how well they live.

Poverty to me is not being able to feed and clothe your family - like it was in Appalachia when I was a kid.

How many currently "impoverished people" don't have a big screen TV?

 

I'm sure you're aware that I am adamantly opposed to the disgusting level of income inequality we currently suffer from but electing a Trump is not excused by that.

Income inequality is a fundamental precept of Republican philosophy - so the answer is to elect the most disgusting Republican ever to be POTUS?

THAT is ignorance.

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15 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

It's a destructive resentment based on not being able to buy a new Navigator whenever you want.

The bottom level of American society lives better than 90% of the world now and 99% of everyone in history but they want to burn it down because they can't own a 100' yacht and 3 houses.

It really is as simple as that - they don't know how good they've got it because they are ignorant.

Thanks Sloops - the attitude you demonstrate in this post perfectly articulates the disconnect and one part of the demeaning attitude that's responsible for increasing, rather than bridging the divide.   

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14 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

 Income inequality is a fundamental precept of Republican philosophy - so the answer is to elect the most disgusting Republican ever to be POTUS?

THAT is ignorance.

Income inequality is a fundamental fact of economics.

 

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13 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Income inequality is a fundamental fact of economics.

 

Gross disparity in income equality is a fundamental fact of a distorted tax structure....and a racist political structure

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I think that the dismissive replies coming from the differing perspectives in the discussion are telling.  Instead of trying to ask questions to understand why a person or a segment of the population feels the way they do, some respond derisively, with the intent to demean the individual/group for feeling the way they do.   There's several reasons this could be, intellectual laziness, ignorance, worry masked as confidence, and I'm sure many more reasons I haven't said.  

Progress requires individual willingness to change, and acceptance of the information necessary to effect that change is less likely to happen if the information is being used as a cudgel. 

 

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52 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:
1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

It's a destructive resentment based on not being able to buy a new Navigator whenever you want.

The bottom level of American society lives better than 90% of the world now and 99% of everyone in history but they want to burn it down because they can't own a 100' yacht and 3 houses.

It really is as simple as that - they don't know how good they've got it because they are ignorant.

Thanks Sloops - the attitude you demonstrate in this post perfectly articulates the disconnect and one part of the demeaning attitude that's responsible for increasing, rather than bridging the divide.   

 

So, does that mean he doesn't have a point? "Middle" America is fat and feels entitled. The entire viewing audience of Fox believes that dangerous libby-rull faggots forced a black Muslim President on them, and they feel an urge to get revenge. They're suspicious that they might never get that trickle-down they've been promised, and they would like to believe that one day they'll either win the lottery or perhaps invent a great video game that makes them a gazillionaire too.

They don't want to compete against immigrants who show up on time, work hard, and encourage their kids to study. They don't want to pay for their own health care, and they want to join in the chanting about the evils of socialism.

Of course this isn't really a majority, it's only about 30%...... but it is the loyal Republican, thus enfranchised, 30%. It is a very vocal minority, and the squeaky wheel is getting the grease.

22 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I think that the dismissive replies coming from the differing perspectives in the discussion are telling.  Instead of trying to ask questions to understand why a person or a segment of the population feels the way they do, some respond derisively, with the intent to demean the individual/group for feeling the way they do.   There's several reasons this could be, intellectual laziness, ignorance, worry masked as confidence, and I'm sure many more reasons I haven't said.  

Progress requires individual willingness to change, and acceptance of the information necessary to effect that change is less likely to happen if the information is being used as a cudgel. 

 

Well, when the people who disagree with you are fuckin' boneheads, OF COURSE they view "facts" as a cudgel. Look at JZK who believes that oversimplified Friedmanesque platitudes are the highest form of economic wisdom.

Telling the truth becomes offensively dismissive, when the background is pandering lies.

As for the reasons you give, I can assure you that I'm not in the least bit worried or intellectually lazy.

FWIW I agree that it would be better to tactfully bridge the gap, but I don't see any way possible. To attempt bringing Trumpettes to reason would require competing against the bias-confirming pap being poured out into their trough by Fox and their elk.

No matter how pleasantly worded, facts are not going to win that battle.

-DSK

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1 hour ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Thanks Sloops - the attitude you demonstrate in this post perfectly articulates the disconnect and one part of the demeaning attitude that's responsible for increasing, rather than bridging the divide.   

Let me share a story-

As a high school ESL teacher I can tell you what most ESL teachers will say:  1st generation immigrants are amazing students and a joy to teach.  Some days, with my small class of refugees, it was the best job in the world.

On the other, the last couple decades have seen  A LOT of 2nd generation low-income immigrants just shit the bed.  Bad students.  Bad attitudes, bad graduation rates. 

Sociologists have written about this quite a bit. The one theory that makes sense from my experience is that these bad, lower income students have watched their parents work their asses off and get jack shit for it.  So they think, "Fuck it, this is was supposed to be some great land and my parents can barely keep it together working their asses off.  So. . . fuck it."

The first generation immigrants- the recent arrivals- they are full of hope and hungry.  Eye of the Tiger, baby.  But then their kids look at what that achieves and a disillusionment they can't even shake a stick at descends on them.

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30 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

So, does that mean he doesn't have a point? "Middle" America is fat and feels entitled. The entire viewing audience of Fox believes that dangerous libby-rull faggots forced a black Muslim President on them, and they feel an urge to get revenge. They're suspicious that they might never get that trickle-down they've been promised, and they would like to believe that one day they'll either win the lottery or perhaps invent a great video game that makes them a gazillionaire too.

They don't want to compete against immigrants who show up on time, work hard, and encourage their kids to study. They don't want to pay for their own health care, and they want to join in the chanting about the evils of socialism.

Of course this isn't really a majority, it's only about 30%...... but it is the loyal Republican, thus enfranchised, 30%. It is a very vocal minority, and the squeaky wheel is getting the grease.

Well, when the people who disagree with you are fuckin' boneheads, OF COURSE they view "facts" as a cudgel. Look at JZK who believes that oversimplified Friedmanesque platitudes are the highest form of economic wisdom.

Telling the truth becomes offensively dismissive, when the background is pandering lies.

As for the reasons you give, I can assure you that I'm not in the least bit worried or intellectually lazy.

FWIW I agree that it would be better to tactfully bridge the gap, but I don't see any way possible. To attempt bringing Trumpettes to reason would require competing against the bias-confirming pap being poured out into their trough by Fox and their elk.

No matter how pleasantly worded, facts are not going to win that battle.

-DSK

There are facts that also comport with the perspective of the people you are so quick to dismiss - might be prudent to remember that.  Not as much fun as going off on your stupid little rant, but, prudent nonetheless.  As to you being intellectually lazy?  Yeah, with this post, you've demonstrated exactly that. 

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21 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

Let me share a story-

As a high school ESL teacher I can tell you what most ESL teachers will say:  1st generation immigrants are amazing students and a joy to teach.  Some days, with my small class of refugees, it was the best job in the world.

On the other, the last couple decades have seen  A LOT of 2nd generation low-income immigrants just shit the bed.  Bad students.  Bad attitudes, bad graduation rates. 

Sociologists have written about this quite a bit. The one theory that makes sense from my experience is that these bad, lower income students have watched their parents work their asses off and get jack shit for it.  So they think, "Fuck it, this is was supposed to be some great land and my parents can barely keep it together working their asses off.  So. . . fuck it."

The first generation immigrants- the recent arrivals- they are full of hope and hungry.  Eye of the Tiger, baby.  But then their kids look at what that achieves and a disillusionment they can't even shake a stick at descends on them.

CH - thanks for this.  My wife has noticed that as well, and has a slightly different perspective as to the cause of the generational change:  The 2nd gen kids don't know what it was like in the places that their parents left, and they see that their folks aren't living in a McMansion, driving 3 European cars yet, (while going to school w/kids who's families DO) and like many of the kids coming up, feel entitled to instant gratification, ignoring the lessons that their parents sacrifices and struggles provided. 

So, I think you're spot on in your observations - just that the explanation of the 2nd and subsequent generation's behavior is a bit more complex than that. 

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3 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

There are facts that also comport with the perspective of the people you are so quick to dismiss - might be prudent to remember that.  Not as much fun as going off on your stupid little rant, but, prudent nonetheless.  As to you being intellectually lazy?  Yeah, with this post, you've demonstrated exactly that. 

Well, let's do some facts then

#1- Trump was the most racist, the most pandering, the most irrational..... he started out bragging about the size of his penis, always a critical piece of information to deciding on a national leader.

#2- .... umm, not sure if any more facts are need to follow up on that, as to the "perspective" of his supporters, but perhaps a brief review of his statements about American Nazis would be in order.

#2a-  a lot of people who started out supporting Trump despite #1 and #2 above, have since backed away. So, going over the top full-time isn't really necessary. Besides all it does is harden his support among the people whose prime motivation is to piss off libby-rull faggot East Coast elitist types.

Your reaction to my post #138 kinda illustrates that last sentence. You're more guilty of that than you probably realize

-DSK

 

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How much has the income of the 1% gone up in the past forty years compared to everybody else?  I'm sharpening my pitch-fork. 

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Oren Alexander, the Miami-based real estate agent to the rich, no longer thinks of his clients as second-home buyers. Today’s ultrawealthy, he says, are often looking for “the four-pack” — a pied-à-terre in New York, a beach house in the Hamptons, a ski villa in Aspen and a winter condo in Miami.

He said the “circuit” starts in New York in the fall, then moves to Miami in the winter, with a couple of weeks in Aspen for skiing. Then it’s back to New York in the spring before hitting the Hamptons in July and August. In Los Angeles, the wealthy head to the mountains — often to Aspen — for skiing in the winter or to Hawaii or Mexico. Floridians head to the Hamptons in the summer, or to southern Europe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/06/your-money/if-its-march-it-must-be-miami-when-home-changes-with-the-season.html?smid=tw-nytimesbusiness&smtyp=cur

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Just now, Steam Flyer said:

Well, let's do some facts then

#1- Trump was the most racist, the most pandering, the most irrational..... he started out bragging about the size of his penis, always a critical piece of information to deciding on a national leader.

#2- .... umm, not sure if any more facts are need to follow up on that, as to the "perspective" of his supporters, but perhaps a brief review of his statements about American Nazis would be in order.

#2a-  a lot of people who started out supporting Trump despite #1 and #2 above, have since backed away. So, going over the top full-time isn't really necessary. Besides all it does is harden his support among the people whose prime motivation is to piss off libby-rull faggot East Coast elitist types.

Your reaction to my post #138 kinda illustrates that last sentence. You're more guilty of that than you probably realize

-DSK

 

More guilty than I realize?  Yeah, I doubt it.  Calling people on their attempts to minimize the reasons that someone else feels the way they do is cool if the person being minimized is a member of a protected class, but, if the object is someone else?  God no - they CAN'T feel the way they do unless they're some kinda libby faggot hating neanderthal.    You're conflating normal people who are indeed feeling disenfranchised, regardless of whether you accept their reasons for feeling that way, with being willfully ignorant and intentionally discriminatory.  If you expect to get a pass on that kind of BS?  You can go piss up a rope, and I hope the wind's in your face when you do. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

How much has the income of the 1% gone up in the past forty years compared to everybody else?  I'm sharpening my pitch-fork. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/06/your-money/if-its-march-it-must-be-miami-when-home-changes-with-the-season.html?smid=tw-nytimesbusiness&smtyp=cur

Gotta wonder how someone like that avoids "the peons" when he goes out for a Cuban sandwich. 

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Just now, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Gotta wonder how someone like that avoids "the peons" when he goes out for a Cuban sandwich. 

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4 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

Grubhub

taskrabbit

I hadda look those up - I live out in the boonies so far I have to drive 20 minutes to meet a pizza delivery guy.. 

 

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13 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

More guilty than I realize?  Yeah, I doubt it.  Calling people on their attempts to minimize the reasons that someone else feels the way they do is cool if the person being minimized is a member of a protected class, but, if the object is someone else?  God no - they CAN'T feel the way they do unless they're some kinda libby faggot hating neanderthal.    You're conflating normal people who are indeed feeling disenfranchised, regardless of whether you accept their reasons for feeling that way, with being willfully ignorant and intentionally discriminatory.  If you expect to get a pass on that kind of BS?  You can go piss up a rope, and I hope the wind's in your face when you do. 

 

 

OK, then why did SO MANY non-libby-faggot-hating non-neanderthals make Trump the primary winner, when he campaigned liked a spiteful 4th grader telling poo-poo jokes about teacher, out in the schoolyard?

That's a fact.

I apologize for using it as a cudgel, but you appear to be totally ignorant (or in total denial) of which bus you're riding on, and completely dismissive of the concrete, tangible, real-world actual factual behavior of your fellow riders.

-DSK

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

OK, then why did SO MANY non-libby-faggot-hating non-neanderthals make Trump the primary winner, when he campaigned liked a spiteful 4th grader telling poo-poo jokes about teacher, out in the schoolyard?

That's a fact.

I apologize for using it as a cudgel, but you appear to be totally ignorant (or in total denial) of which bus you're riding on, and completely dismissive of the concrete, tangible, real-world actual factual behavior of your fellow riders.

-DSK

You seem to be incapable of recognizing that I'm on my motorcycle - not riding any bus, and pointing out the jackasses on both buses who are flinging empties out the windows.  That some who voted for Trump might indeed possess some of the attributes you assign to them doesn't make everyone who disagrees with you on any point someone who supports Trump, or shares those reasons for disagreeing with you, any more than everyone who voted for Obama was a 3rd generation welfare recipient happy to get Obama to pay their bills and give them an Obama phone.  

The fact that you refuse to accept is that there are enough people who feel disenfranchised enough to have held their noses and voted for Trump because they hadn't seen anyone do anything in recent administrations to alleviate their concerns.   You can think whatever you like to make yourself feel better that the D candidate lost to someone as deplorable as Trump - but, that doesn't make you right, and the way you choose to express yourself on the topic doesn't make it likely that those you want to convince are going to welcome your opinion.   

You might also do well to remember that those folks, as stupid as you may think them to be, still vote, and if you want to change how they feel?  What you're doing ain't likely to work, and if it does?  The blowback may be a bit less than desirable.  Those pitchforks point out - not left or right. 

 

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2 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Thanks Sloops - the attitude you demonstrate in this post perfectly articulates the disconnect and one part of the demeaning attitude that's responsible for increasing, rather than bridging the divide.   

There is no disconnect - I fully grasp the attitudes you refer to - I just pointed out that they are not valid, they are founded on ignorant resentment.

Remember Asimov.

There is a similar disconnect with the white supremacists as well - are you claiming they also have a valid point?

I know you aren't but the point you make applies equally to them.

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4 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

There is no disconnect - I fully grasp the attitudes you refer to - I just pointed out that they are not valid, they are founded on ignorant resentment.

Remember Asimov.

There is a similar disconnect with the white supremacists as well - are you claiming they also have a valid point?

I know you aren't but the point you make applies equally to them.

I think we're talking past one another - and I've gotta get across the mountain and go get my daughter a laptop to take to classes this summer, so let's catch back up on this a bit later, OK? 

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You don't have mountains back there - those are what are called "Hills". ;)

These are mountains.

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21 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

You seem to be incapable of recognizing that I'm on my motorcycle - not riding any bus, and pointing out the jackasses on both buses who are flinging empties out the windows.  That some who voted for Trump might indeed possess some of the attributes you assign to them doesn't make everyone who disagrees with you on any point someone who supports Trump, or shares those reasons for disagreeing with you, any more than everyone who voted for Obama was a 3rd generation welfare recipient happy to get Obama to pay their bills and give them an Obama phone.  

The fact that you refuse to accept is that there are enough people who feel disenfranchised enough to have held their noses and voted for Trump because they hadn't seen anyone do anything in recent administrations to alleviate their concerns.   You can think whatever you like to make yourself feel better that the D candidate lost to someone as deplorable as Trump - but, that doesn't make you right, and the way you choose to express yourself on the topic doesn't make it likely that those you want to convince are going to welcome your opinion.   

You might also do well to remember that those folks, as stupid as you may think them to be, still vote, and if you want to change how they feel?  What you're doing ain't likely to work, and if it does?  The blowback may be a bit less than desirable.  Those pitchforks point out - not left or right. 

 

Anyone who "held their nose and voted for Trump" after his long history of business failures and crooked deals, and his racism, and his bragging about his penis, because they hate-hate-hate Hillary, is just plain stupid.

Conned by the deluge of right-wing hate-spew.

Anybody who voted for him because they thought he really could become an honest leader is even dumber. I can understand people being desperate and hoping for some kind of salvation, but lining up behind a long-known con man who is spouting racist slogans, a reality-TV personality whose best-known line is "you're fired"..... you want to say these people have some kind of hidden intelligence that can be cultivated?

And the fact that you think my motivation is spitefulness over "the Ds" losing is even more stupid. You check out what I've said about the Democratic Party in general, and King Hillary The Irrelevant specifically, if your memory is faulty.

 

8 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

There is no disconnect - I fully grasp the attitudes you refer to - I just pointed out that they are not valid, they are founded on ignorant resentment.

Remember Asimov.

There is a similar disconnect with the white supremacists as well - are you claiming they also have a valid point?

I know you aren't but the point you make applies equally to them.

Hey now, they are good people. Good people, I tell you. Besides, they're sitting behind A_Guy on the bus so he likes to pretend they're not there

-DSK

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4 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Gotta wonder how someone like that avoids "the peons" when he goes out for a Cuban sandwich. 

You can only get fresh Cubans in Miami.

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He’s losing it -

 

 
 
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Things are really getting ridiculous. The Failing and Crooked (but not as Crooked as Hillary Clinton) @nytimes has done a long & boring story indicating that the World’s most expensive Witch Hunt has found nothing on Russia & me so now they are looking at the rest of the World!
 
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....At what point does this soon to be $20,000,000 Witch Hunt, composed of 13 Angry and Heavily Conflicted Democrats and two people who have worked for Obama for 8 years, STOP! They have found no Collussion with Russia, No Obstruction, but they aren’t looking at the corruption.
 
 
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...in the Hillary Clinton Campaign where she deleted 33,000 Emails, got $145,000,000 while Secretary of State, paid McCabes wife $700,000 (and got off the FBI hook along with Terry M) and so much more. Republicans and real Americans should start getting tough on this Scam.
 
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Now that the Witch Hunt has given up on Russia and is looking at the rest of the World, they should easily be able to take it into the Mid-Term Elections where they can put some hurt on the Republican Party. Don’t worry about Dems FISA Abuse, missing Emails or Fraudulent Dossier!
 
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What ever happened to the Server, at the center of so much Corruption, that the Democratic National Committee REFUSED to hand over to the hard charging (except in the case of Democrats) FBI? They broke into homes & offices early in the morning, but were afraid to take the Server?
 
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....and why hasn’t the Podesta brother been charged and arrested, like others, after being forced to close down his very large and successful firm? Is it because he is a VERY well connected Democrat working in the Swamp of Washington, D.C.?
 
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The Witch Hunt finds no Collusion with Russia - so now they’re looking at the rest of the World. Oh’ great!
 
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I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes - and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!

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16 minutes ago, Sean said:

I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes - and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!

Wow, the Royal Wedding must have gotten to him he thinks he's King of America now.

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Trump may have created a Constitutional crisis with his demand.

Comey associate: Rosenstein and FBI director will quit if Trump goes through with DOJ investigation

Source: RawStory



TOM BOGGIONI 
20 MAY 2018 AT 15:48 ET 

Writing on Twitter, a confidante of former FBI Director James Comey predicted high level non-compliance and resignations at the FBI and the Justice Department if President Donald Trump makes good on a Twitter threat to demand an investigation of both agencies on Monday. 

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Responding to the threat, Benjamin Wittes — who writes for Lawfare and was privy to Comey’s notes on meeting with Trump before they were released — predicted chaos at the Justice Department and the FBI if Trump goes through with what Wittes called, “a nakedly corrupt attempt on the part of the President to derail an investigation.” 

In a series of tweets, Wittes provided some perspective and predicted that FBI Director Chris Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein would quit rather than bend to the will of the president.
 
 
 
 
 
 

I normally ignore presidential tweets. This one requires attention, because it could genuinely produce a crisis with the Justice Department and the FBI. Here’s an explanatory thread that may (or may not) be useful. /1/ https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/998256454590193665 

 
 
 
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I normally ignore presidential tweets. This one requires attention, because it could genuinely produce a crisis with the Justice Department and the FBI. Here’s an explanatory thread that may (or may not) be useful. /1/ https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/998256454590193665 

 

The President in this tweet announces that he will tomorrow formally demand of the Justice Department a specific investigation—to wit, one about whether the DOJ and FBI spied on the Trump campaign and if the Obama administration demanded such action of them. /2/

 
 
 
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The President in this tweet announces that he will tomorrow formally demand of the Justice Department a specific investigation—to wit, one about whether the DOJ and FBI spied on the Trump campaign and if the Obama administration demanded such action of them. /2/

 

There is no doubt that he has the constitutional authority to make this demand. /3/

 
 
 
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There is no doubt that he has the constitutional authority to make this demand. /3/

 

There is also no doubt in my mind that neither the attorney general (who is recused anyway) nor the deputy attorney general nor the FBI director can in good conscience comply with such an order. And I don’t believe they will. /4/

 
 
 
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There is also no doubt in my mind that neither the attorney general (who is recused anyway) nor the deputy attorney general nor the FBI director can in good conscience comply with such an order. And I don’t believe they will. /4/

 
 
 
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This is a nakedly corrupt attempt on the part of the President to derail an investigation of himself at the expense of a human source to whose protection the FBI and DOJ are committed.

See @qjurecic and my piece on this from yesterday. /5/ https://www.lawfareblog.com/day-we-cant-protect-human-sources-president-and-house-intelligence-committee-burn-informant 

 

So if the President really gives Rod Rosenstein or Chris Wray an order (as opposed to Twitter bluster) demanding a particular investigation not properly predicated under FBI/DOJ guidelines for this overtly political purpose, I believe both men will resign rather than comply. /6/

 
 
 
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So if the President really gives Rod Rosenstein or Chris Wray an order (as opposed to Twitter bluster) demanding a particular investigation not properly predicated under FBI/DOJ guidelines for this overtly political purpose, I believe both men will resign rather than comply. /6/

 

In other words, this tweet is different from other Trump craziness tweets. It’s one that promises a specific action on a specific date (tomorrow) with respect to a specific agency that will, if it takes place, precipitate a showdown. /7/

 
 
 
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In other words, this tweet is different from other Trump craziness tweets. It’s one that promises a specific action on a specific date (tomorrow) with respect to a specific agency that will, if it takes place, precipitate a showdown. /7/

 

Trump is a wuss, so he may well back down. He was going to fire Rosenstein, and he wussed out. He was going to fire Mueller and he wussed out. So I don’t want to overstate this. There’s lots of ways this could peter out. But this tweet is no joke. /8/

 
 
 
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Trump is a wuss, so he may well back down. He was going to fire Rosenstein, and he wussed out. He was going to fire Mueller and he wussed out. So I don’t want to overstate this. There’s lots of ways this could peter out. But this tweet is no joke. /8/

 

As Quinta and I wrote yesterday, “Don’t underestimate this episode. It will have a long tail and big consequences—all of them terrible.” Those consequences, if you believe the President, may start tomorrow. /9/

 

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"Trump is a wuss, so he may well back down. He was going to fire Rosenstein, and he wussed out. He was going to fire Mueller and he wussed out. So I don’t want to overstate this. There’s lots of ways this could peter out. But this tweet is no joke."

That should generate a Tweetstorm of its own.

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3 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

"Trump is a wuss, so he may well back down. He was going to fire Rosenstein, and he wussed out. He was going to fire Mueller and he wussed out. So I don’t want to overstate this. There’s lots of ways this could peter out. But this tweet is no joke."

That should generate a Tweetstorm of its own.

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I imagine Mueller has a contingency plan should this occur, or I hope he does. 

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2 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Wow, the Royal Wedding must have gotten to him he thinks he's King of America now.

He did ever since the election.

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Trump, pissed off that Xi Jinping got the better of him on the trade embargo thing. The petulant child lashes out wildly at anything nearby.....

 And in perhaps a greater context:

"The Grizzly bear, fierce and wild, has just devoured a petulant child. The idiot child is unaware it has been eaten by a bear."

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Trump should just appoint Sheriff Joe as head of the FBI and Attorney General.  Problem solved!

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8 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

Trump should just appoint Sheriff Joe as head of the FBI and Attorney General.  Problem solved!

Shouldn't Roy Moore get a boobie prize too..... Maybe add a seat to the SCOTUS?

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2 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Shouldn't Roy Moore get a boobie prize too..... Maybe add a seat to the SCOTUS?

Ghouliani already has that locked up.

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So you interpret this as the DOJ will do the right thing and reject the claim?

 

Referring it to the IG means it will go through a standardized process that could take a year or year and a half and will be insulated from the effort by the White House to politicize it.

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Perhaps I missed it.  Did President Trump keep his word?

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Now you're just being silly.

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Trump's staffers reportedly write his tweets with deliberate grammatical errors

 

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It's been long suspected that Trump doesn't write all his tweets.

Some are penned by White House staffers, and according to a Boston Globe report, these tweets are composed with grammatical errors and irregularities, intentionally included to sound like they're written by Trump.

 

 
 

 

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5 minutes ago, Mid said:

The one that came up with covfefe was genius for distraction. 

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On 5/20/2018 at 8:55 PM, badlatitude said:

Referring it to the IG means it will go through a standardized process that could take a year or year and a half and will be insulated from the effort by the White House to politicize it.

Hmm...

How insulated? This question was never answered:

On 3/17/2018 at 5:46 AM, Uncooperative Tom said:
On 3/16/2018 at 11:10 PM, Sean said:

The OIG’s focus on me and this report became a part of an unprecedented effort by the Administration, driven by the President himself, to remove me from my position, destroy my reputation, and possibly strip me of a pension that I worked 21 years to earn.

So the Inspector General's office has been corrupted?

 

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On 5/20/2018 at 5:16 PM, Bus Driver said:

"Trump is a wuss, so he may well back down. He was going to fire Rosenstein, and he wussed out. He was going to fire Mueller and he wussed out. So I don’t want to overstate this. There’s lots of ways this could peter out. But this tweet is no joke."

That should generate a Tweetstorm of its own.

it would be better if it said Trump is a pussy.....

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NYT Editorial: Trump v. the Department of Justice

As the old saying goes, if the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If both the facts and the law are against you, pound the table and yell. 

Welcome to the central organizing principle of the Trump White House. As the Russia investigation burrows closer to the Oval Office, the president, his staff, his collaborators in Congress and his defenders in the right-wing media are sparing no institution in their quest to undermine it. Look, a mole! 

President Trump sank to a new low on Sunday, tweeting, “I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes — and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!” 

Putting aside the cartoonish language (“I hereby demand”? Really?), consider the seriousness of the threat posed by a president ordering federal law enforcement officials to investigate the people who are investigating him. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/opinion/trump-investigation-russia-surveillance.html

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He has written this powerful column for tomorrow's Washington Post that begins simply enough: 

Stop waiting for the constitutional crisis that President Trump is sure to provoke. It’s here. 

This is not a column that I can easily summarize. 

It is tightly written. 

It starts with “the tweet” on Sunday as the immediate provocation, noting that 

Trump’s only rational goal is casting doubt on the probe by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, which appears to be closing in. 

and immediately following that with this paragraph, before quoting the tweet in question: 

Trump’s power play is a gross misuse of his presidential authority and a dangerous departure from long-standing norms. Strongmen such as Russia’s Vladimir Putin use their justice systems to punish enemies and deflect attention from their own crimes. Presidents of the United States do not — or did not, until Sunday’s tweet: 

Robinson notes the false claim, fully supported by right-wing media, about a spy” who was ‘implanted” into Trump’s campaign for political purposes, of which Robinson notes 

This claim is completely unsupported by the facts as we know them. Trump wants you to believe a lie.



[link:https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/5/21/1766075/-Eugene-Robinson-The-constitutional-crisis-is-here| 

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Trump needs a time out and a nap..... Maybe a bottle of warm milk with a nipple to suck on while he dozes off......

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Here's the fake President from stem to stern a complete phony.

TRUMP HAS 15 MILLION FAKE TWITTER FOLLOWERS

He often denounces "fake news" but it appears that on Twitter, President Donald Trump has a lot of fake followers. 

A survey has shown that of the tweeter-in-chief’s more than 52 million followers, over a quarter are not real people. 

Some 29 percent, or around 15 million, are fake accounts, according to a survey by Gallup, and his following of real people is closer to 37 million. 

http://www.newsweek.com/15-million-trumps-twitter-followers-are-not-human-937946

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2 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Here's the fake President from stem to stern a complete phony.

TRUMP HAS 15 MILLION FAKE TWITTER FOLLOWERS

He often denounces "fake news" but it appears that on Twitter, President Donald Trump has a lot of fake followers. 

A survey has shown that of the tweeter-in-chief’s more than 52 million followers, over a quarter are not real people. 

Some 29 percent, or around 15 million, are fake accounts, according to a survey by Gallup, and his following of real people is closer to 37 million. 

http://www.newsweek.com/15-million-trumps-twitter-followers-are-not-human-937946

Stock picking bots and Russian canary bots are probably the biggest fake accounts.   Foreign intelligence agents, FBI investigators, attorneys and reporters have to make up a significant portion of his human followers.   I almost forgot.   All federal department heads need to check in each morning to see if they have been fired, and what the day’s orders are if not. 

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Ha Ha

 

Federal judge rules Trump blocking people on Twitter is unconstitutional

The Hill @thehill 7m7 minutes ago 

#BREAKING: Federal judge rules Trump blocking people on Twitter is unconstitutional http://hill.cm/cv4HFc2 
 
District Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald wrote in a ruling that Trump's Twitter account, @realDonaldTrump, is a designated public forum and protected by the First Amendment. 
 
"Blocking of the plaintiffs based on their political speech constitutes viewpoint discrimination that violates the First Amendment," the ruling reads.
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On May 9, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Saorsa said:

Income inequality is a fundamental fact of economics.

 

No, only a fundamental fact of unbridled capitalism that funnels wealth to the top. There was a broad middle class in the 50s and 60s, and people could still become wealthy despite a high top individual tax rate. Also, housing and healthcare were affordable, and GI Bill made college free for many.  The difference was that 2/3 of tax revenue was from corporations. Now, corporations have bought both parties, who have rewarded them with huge tax breaks. Some of the largest corporations pay zero taxes. Thus, revenue from corporate taxes is now 1/3 of tax revenue. 

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Just now, RKoch said:

No, only a fundamental fact of unbridled capitalism that funnels wealth to the top. There was a broad middle class in the 50s and 60s, and people could still become wealthy despite a high top individual tax rate. Also, housing and healthcare were affordable, and GI Bill made college free for many.  The difference was that 2/3 of tax revenue was from corporations. Now, corporations have bought both parties, who have rewarded them with huge tax breaks. Some of the largest corporations pay zero taxes. Thus, revenue from corporate taxes is now 1/3 of tax revenue. 

Corporate tax was high.   In the 1950's offshoring wasn't a thing.   The last decade showed a steady stream of companies leaving.  Either make it illegal to vend where you don't pay income tax, or cut taxes.   You can't fight reality by denying it.    The double benefit of cutting corporate tax plus cutting tax for the richest of the rich and leaving capital gains tax low was a deficit pumping act of stupidity.   A more moderate tax cut for corporations, coupled with legislation making it harder to dodge taxes (flags of convenience, fake offices on some island, etc) would have been worthy of broad support in a sane universe.   I doubt it could have passed either party here, with both sides convinced they could do better for their masters.   

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2 hours ago, Lark said:

Corporate tax was high.   In the 1950's offshoring wasn't a thing.   The last decade showed a steady stream of companies leaving.  Either make it illegal to vend where you don't pay income tax, or cut taxes.   You can't fight reality by denying it.    The double benefit of cutting corporate tax plus cutting tax for the richest of the rich and leaving capital gains tax low was a deficit pumping act of stupidity.   A more moderate tax cut for corporations, coupled with legislation making it harder to dodge taxes (flags of convenience, fake offices on some island, etc) would have been worthy of broad support in a sane universe.   I doubt it could have passed either party here, with both sides convinced they could do better for their masters.   

I have no problem with requiring corporations who do business here, profit from the US market, are protected by US laws and military,  to pay higher taxes.  

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