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Rolex Fastnet Race 2017

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This years Fastnet Race will prove to be interesting especially if conditions allow. We have Rambler, CQS, Volvo 65's, Hugo Boss Foils etc, A lot of people including the Volvo organisers want to know how Hugo Boss for example shapes up to a Volvo 65 and even CQS with her DSS. It's the first time we will have such a variety of boats in the one race. Rambler 88 is way ahead of CQS IMO however how Hugo Boss shapes up against the others when she is benefiting from her foils will be interesting. 

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How Hugo Boss performs versus the other boats will have my complete attention.

WetHog  :ph34r:

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HB really needs quite specific conditions to kick ass. Not sure if it can beat the 65's in this race. Agree about rambler being line honors favorite. Would have been nice to see some of the top Volvo 70's too. Imocas double handed

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1 hour ago, jonas a said:

HB really needs quite specific conditions to kick ass. Not sure if it can beat the 65's in this race. Agree about rambler being line honors favorite. Would have been nice to see some of the top Volvo 70's too. Imocas double handed

I think broad reach in heavy HB and the other foiling imoca 60s are probably quite a bit faster than VOR 65. It'll be really fun in 2 years to see what the VOR 60s end up doing. 

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Is the new Nivelt - Muratet 55' Teasing Machine 2 lining up for this Fastnet?

The previous TM was a highly competitive program inshore and offshore so it will be interesting to see what they have done with this boat and just how competitive it will be.

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Last I agree..TM probably had best organised program out there and they travelled to every big race they could no matter where it was. Delivery to Antigua last year was pretty epic. Wouldn't expect new boat to be any different.

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If it had more mainsail luff tension, it would be even more glamorous......

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Looks like a scaled down V70 (twin companionways too) with some interior comfort...TP52's watch out.

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Some serious spend there!

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The race start on the tracker makes for captivating viewing.

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Is she part of the Tease..? Anyone know hoe she stacks up against the fastest of the TP52's..? 

 

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I hope the mighty Crusader has a good showing. 

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24 minutes ago, Alcatraz5768 said:

I hope the mighty Crusader has a good showing. 

 

Does anyone knows in which marina she will be ?

really want to see here for real .

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3 hours ago, razcaillou said:

 

Does anyone knows in which marina she will be ?

really want to see here for real .

Currently she is in Hamble Yacht Services

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27 minutes ago, JL92S said:

Currently she is in Hamble Yacht Services

 OK thanks!

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11 hours ago, LB 15 said:

The race start on the tracker makes for captivating viewing.

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Fuck....that is a picture of my lower bowel after watching footy, drinkin and eatin Smarties then had to go to hospital for a scan...how did you get that LB?? There is no privacy on planet earth anymore.

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IMO Hugo Boss is the fastet IMOCA around, it'll be interesting to watch the race unfold this year.

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On 26.7.2017 at 4:33 PM, Potter said:

Are the IMOCA fully crewed or two-handed?

Looks like double handed. 

Bureau Vallée 2 - Servane Escoffier & Louis Burton
Hugo Boss - Alex Thomson & Nicholas O’Leary
Initiatives Coeur - Sam Davies & Tanguy de Lamotte 
StMichel-Virbac - Jean-Pierre Dick & Yann Eliès

Partners for the last three boats are via IMOCA, unlike the previous 4 only the skipper was named in articles.
La Mie Câline - Artipôle - Boissieres Arnaud & Manuel Cousin (??)
Karakoram (ex Vivo A Beira ?) - Yoann Richomme & Pierre Lacaze (??)
Malizia (ex Gitana 16) - Boris Herrmann & Pierre Casiraghi (??)

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On 7/27/2017 at 1:53 PM, terrafirma said:

Is she part of the Tease..? Anyone know hoe she stacks up against the fastest of the TP52's..? 

 

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Shes opening up quite a gap... on the competition.

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where is Comanche ?  i see leopeard is for sale, probably why not racing this year ... but comanche why build the boat and not race it ???

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umm. Comanche just set the Transpac record and is on her way to Sydney, maybe. Could be a public school geography problem for you?

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Yes. The Indian arrived in Brisbane last week in prep for Hobart. 

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From the Rolex fastnet site interesting as Alex Thompson talks about his chances and how fast his boat is against the VO65's and Rambler etc:

"However they are up against the boats which finished first and second in the Vendée Globe, the winner, Banque Populaire, now sold and rechristened Bureau Vallée 2 and campaigned by partners Louis Burton and Servane Escoffier, and IMOCA 60 favourite, Alex Thomson reunited with his extreme-looking Hugo Boss which he is sailing with Ireland’s Nicholas O’Leary. Five of the nine IMOCA 60s competing are ‘foil-assisted’, none more so than Hugo Boss, which is now back with her full complement of foils following the Vendée Globe.

For Thomson, the Rolex Fastnet Race has played a large part in his sailing career. “My first was in 1995 on a Sigma 36 called British Eagle. It took just over seven days! But it was in that race that I found my vocation, and my love for offshore racing. That’s the great thing about the race - it introduces people to proper offshore sailing.” It was in the 2003 race that Thomson first sailed under the colour of Hugo Boss. It was on the strength of that event that has since translated into a 14 year sponsorship deal by the German fashion brand.

As to how Hugo Boss will get on this time, Thomson is obviously hoping to beat the other IMOCA 60s and is bullish about the potential of Hugo Boss to take on the larger boats. “Upwind, a VO65 will be quicker than us, but not downwind. And if you give us the right conditions (22-25 knots of wind, broad reaching) we can beat Rambler on the water: Genuinely my boat can beat the fully crewed monohull record, but in the Fastnet you don’t get to choose the weather you sail in.”

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20 hours ago, notherday said:

umm. Comanche just set the Transpac record and is on her way to Sydney, maybe. Could be a public school geography problem for you?

11 days, Honolulu to Brisvegas, on one tack all the way.

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On 7/27/2017 at 6:58 PM, Alcatraz5768 said:

I hope the mighty Crusader has a good showing. 

Sold, or Anthony's Kiwi crew sailing her? Different name on the entry list.

I heard there's a bigger Crusader coming soon - 50ish?

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Weather looks a little underwhelming - hopefully there is a little more excitement than J1, C0 and A1/A2.

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Posted (edited)

Looking like moderate headwinds on the way out, and moderate reaching on the way back.

Edited by Rainbow Spirit

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what with the attitude notherday .. just a question ????

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About weather forecast, if you are in the RFR 2017, you can get the full package from Squid free for 2 months; with the ECMWF model (9km).  All skippers do have received a voucher code for this by email

Fair Winds

 

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CQS shows up in the entries. Has anyone heard what modifications were done ? Last I read about this boat it was in NZ in February getting all kinds of fancy go fast stuff done. This looks like the first race since then.

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47 minutes ago, savoir said:

CQS shows up in the entries. Has anyone heard what modifications were done ? Last I read about this boat it was in NZ in February getting all kinds of fancy go fast stuff done. This looks like the first race since then.

A new rudder which they are excited about according to Ludde. After that nothing major that I know of, a rigging upgrade and repairs to the DSS foil etc

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Please keep up.  She has been in Europe for a few months and did two races in Scandinavia.  Most recently, she has been is a shed (in Gosport?) for a couple of weeks have some more mods done including a new rudder.

Go to SailWorld where there are endless articles about her.

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I don't even know how to find the front page. How the hell am I going to find SailWorld ?

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43 minutes ago, savoir said:

I don't even know how to find the front page. How the hell am I going to find SailWorld ?

Just come to these threads to keep up or if you really want to keep up their Facebook page is the best way not Sailworld.

https://www.facebook.com/cqsracing/

 

 

 

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almost sounds like he was talking about a small skeg in front of the rudder

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1 hour ago, SCARECROW said:

almost sounds like he was talking about a small skeg in front of the rudder

Yes your right. Although aren't the leading edges if faired like a fin called a leboo , not sure about how to spell that? 

 

 

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drawn a lot of them and never heard them called that before.  I'm not convinced what he was describing is attached to the rudder though.  Doesn't he say "its like a shark fin in front of the rudder"

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Entry list in terms of IRC racers. Be interesting to see how Maverick goes..? 

Sail No. Yacht Class Division TCC Max Crew Owner Sailed By Type Colour

AUS 11111 Cqs Z C 1.900 E 28 Ludde Ingvall Supermaxi White/blue

USA 25555 Rambler 88 Z C 1.853 E 26 George David Canting Keel Sloop Silver

RUS 1 Monster Project Z C 1.667 21 EcoNautics Racing InternationalYacht Club Sopot -

Mateusz Kusznierewicz Volvo 70 Dark Blue - Yellow CHI-11 Sanya Lan Z C 1.663 21

Harm Prins Volvo Open 70 White / Orange / Green GBR

115 X Nikata Z C 1.651 33 Tom Brewer J/v 115 Custom Grey GBR 100

Artemis Ocean Racing Z C 1.602 17 Artemis Ocean Racing Mikey Ferguson

IMOCA 60 Blue GER 7111

Varuna Z C 1.575 E 16 Jens Kellinghusen Ker 56 Black

GER 7323 Milan Z C 1.528 E 19 Uwe Lebens Stp 65 White

GBR 715 R Pegasus Of NorthumberlandZ C 1.497 E 15 Ross Hobson Open 50 4.19 (03) Blue

NED 8313 Aragon Z C 1.456 E 22 Nicolas Lecarpentier Marten 72 Grey

NED 8501 Oz Z C 1.437 18 E.W. Tailwind B.V. Mikhail Agafontsev Open 60 White

GBR 4945 R Maverick Z C 1.406 E 13 Quentin Stewart Infiniti 46 R Silver

GER 5676 Outsider Z C 1.401 E 15 Bo Teichmann Elliott 52ss Grey

FRA 43534 Libertalia - Team Jolokia Z C 1.399 18 Jean-francois Levasseur Volvo 60 Red And White

NED 51 Tonnerre 4 Z C 1.388 E 15 Piet Vroon Frank Gerber Ker 51 Black FIN 1 Tokio II Z C 1.386 18 Risto Saarni W 60 Blue

Others not listed...

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6 minutes ago, SCARECROW said:

drawn a lot of them and never heard them called that before.  I'm not convinced what he was describing is attached to the rudder though.  Doesn't he say "its like a shark fin in front of the rudder"

Agreed, he did say in front of the rudder? What do you call the leading/trailing fin area?

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front and back

 

PM Mr Perry he'll know.

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CQS was a dud in the last Hobart, admittedly it was her first race after the extensive mods. She seemed to be very tender, and was constantly dragging the outriggers in heavy winds.

I seriously doubt she will beat Rambler 88, or even the IMOCAs and Volvo 65s.

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Willing to bet the only volvo65 they beat is scallywag.

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2 hours ago, Rainbow Spirit said:

CQS was a dud in the last Hobart, admittedly it was her first race after the extensive mods. She seemed to be very tender, and was constantly dragging the outriggers in heavy winds.

I seriously doubt she will beat Rambler 88, or even the IMOCAs and Volvo 65s.

It's not a fast look dragging the outrigger through every third wave. 

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Fuck Rambler and CQS!

My cash is on Hugo Boss to take line honors! 

Alex is stoked for this!

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2 hours ago, mad said:

It's not a fast look dragging the outrigger through every third wave. 

+1 but Ludde believes his own press spin.! 

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29 minutes ago, theadmiralty said:

Fuck Rambler and CQS!

My cash is on Hugo Boss to take line honors! 

Alex is stoked for this!

Rambler will win this. CQS has too many limitations. Would love to see Hugo Boss finish second. The conditions aren't forecast for foiling it seems? 

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2 hours ago, JL92S said:

Some serious bowsprit porn on Varuna 

 

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Didn't they do Transpac?  How the hell did it get to England that quick?  Honolulu to Los Angeles to _________ .  At least 2 maybe 3 ships????

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1 hour ago, hbsurfer said:

Didn't they do Transpac?  How the hell did it get to England that quick?  Honolulu to Los Angeles to _________ .  At least 2 maybe 3 ships????

Different Varuna.  This is the 51 not the 46 that did Transpac.

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1 hour ago, saboteer said:

Different Varuna.  This is the 51 not the 46 that did Transpac.

...or to be more precise, it's the 56 footer. The 51 footer is now Tonnerre

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CQS doesn't stand a fucking chance here. She was easily beaten by the VO65s on Wednesday! 

Pathetic yacht. 

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5 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

He really is the man..

 

Be great to see Alex and HB do well.

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4 hours ago, theadmiralty said:

CQS doesn't stand a fucking chance here. She was easily beaten by the VO65s on Wednesday! 

Pathetic yacht. 

Same piece of shit as in last year's S2H.

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CQS had about 3 reefs in on Wednesday. 

The Volvos were fully gagging for it!!

Meanwhile Tommo and Nin were knocking out 30 knots in the war machine...

30 knots, tiller in hand, big smiles. Tommo at his very best......

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14 hours ago, JL92S said:

Some serious bowsprit porn on Varuna 

 

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Bloody hell, that prodder needs a rigger just to tune it ........ or is it to measure the wave in front ????

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On ‎8‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 8:08 AM, JL92S said:

Some serious bowsprit porn on Varuna 

 

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When I look at the boat I can't help but think Darth Vader. And when I look at the Prod, it makes me think of Robert Patrick in The Terminator 2, stretching his finger out into a long evil pointy spike... to pierce things, er, people, with.

It must be "interesting" doing the math when designing such structures. Both in terms of the layup & construction of the prod, & what goes into the rigging supporting it. The calc's & engineering for the side loadings surely must be complex. And then there's the issue of plowing into waves at speed. I can't help but recall when dame Ellen's broke.

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Weather looking good for the big boys, keeping an eye on Crusaider & Maverick , expecting them to get smashed for the first 24 hours... and then commence overtake mode if they stay in the weather on the way back

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16 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Anyone know how to watch the start of the race?

 

Hurst Castle is a great viewing spot

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Just now, winchfodder said:

Hurst Castle is a great viewing spot

HOW TO FOLLOW THE RACE
 
The 47th edition of the Rolex Fastnet Race starts on Sunday 6 August. A record fleet of around 375 boats representing 29 different countries will take the start from the Royal Yacht Squadron line in the race organised by the Royal Ocean Racing Club. Follow all the action and don't miss out on updates throughout the race. Here's a quick guide.
 
RACE MINISITE: www.rolexfastnetrace.com
 
The easiest way to follow the fleet is via the RORC's minisite. Follow the story of the race with all the latest news and updates, great images from the start, Fastnet Rock and from the race course, plus video, audio, fleet tracking and the Virtual Regatta game.
 
SOCIAL MEDIA:
Like us on Facebook: facebook.com/royaloceanracingclub
Twitter:  twitter.com/rorcracing or @rorcracing
Instagram: instagram.com/rorcracing or @rorcracing
The official Race Hashtag is #rolexfastnetrace
 
FASTNET RADIO & TV:
Set up to engage race fans with regular updates, Fastnet Radio will be broadcasting on the Cowes Radio frequency 87.7FM on start day, Sunday 6th August and simulcast with Fastnet Radio station operation in Plymouth on 87.9FM. 
 
 
LIVE STREAMING OF THE START SEQUENCE:
 
All the coverage will be available for download replays, as well as a podcast of the skippers briefing (Sat 5th August). Fastnet Radio is streamed on www.fastnetradio.uk, www.879fm.uk
 
Fastnet TV will match the radio commentary from Fastnet Radio and will cover the entire start sequence live (1100 first start). 
 
It will be streamed online from the official websites: 
 
 
RORC Facebook LIVE:
 
RACE TRACKER:
Watch the Rolex Fastnet Race online via the fleet tracker. YB Trackers are fitted to every yacht so you can see each boat's position along the course. View by class or select your favourites to follow friends and family, check out their boat speed and weather conditions in real time, read the social media feed and see how the live leaderboard is developing at http://www.rolexfastnetrace.com/Tracking/2017-fleet-tracking.html 
 
TIMINGS FOR STARTS:
The race starts from one of yachting's most famous locations, the Royal Yacht Squadron in Cowes on the Isle of Wight on Sunday 6th August 2017. 
 
The start sequence begins with the first warning signal at 10.50 BST for the 47th edition. There will be live coverage of the starts. See above.
 
START TIMES:
1100 Multihull
1110 IMOCA 60, Class40
1120 IRC 4
1140 IRC 3
1200 IRC 2
1220 IRC 1
1240 IRC Zero & VO65

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On 8/4/2017 at 7:19 PM, theadmiralty said:

CQS doesn't stand a fucking chance here. She was easily beaten by the VO65s on Wednesday! 

Pathetic yacht. 

what else would you expect from Ludde (delusional) Ingvall

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In this Millennium nothing says professional like a dead website...

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5 minutes ago, vesa said:

www.rolexfastnetrace.com is down ...  no TV  ... Fastnet radio is working ...

is there any other video streaming site ..?

They have a Livestream on Facebook: 

 

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Hard to imagine but Clean had better microphone discipline and image coordination in his recent streams than the Fastnet guys. (No gals.)

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2 hours ago, Frick said:

They have a Livestream on Facebook: 

Thanks for the link..!

 

2 hours ago, Frick said:

 

 

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Just checked the tracker. The first thing I noticed was the huge fleet and then the tri. Maybe a single handed Frenchman.

 

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11 minutes ago, bajakiter said:

Just checked the tracker. The first thing I noticed was the huge fleet and then the tri. Maybe a single handed Frenchman.

 

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MOD70 Concise

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Anyone else having trouble getting the fastnet website and tracker to load?

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Split developing in the fleet between those going the inshore route and those who've got confused and think this is the St. Malo race.

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well, maybe heading for st.malo isn´t that bad.maybe you can reach lands end with one tack. if the wind turns west you may be the big winner even though it´s a long way

 

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The problem is the Casquet's TSS, its a big call to go south of that, you are banging a corner hard.

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3 hours ago, mad said:

Just like every year!!

when will they ever learn?

Never.

This is the only day in the year they could actually have some traffic ... instead we have 15 hours outage and counting ...

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12 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Thanks for the link..!

 

 

Visually that was excellent coverage of the various class starts but there was only occasional synchronisation of the commentary and what we were seeing on-screen. Commentators sounded knowledgeable but were obviously remote from the live feed and often described action and boats that were not seen, so much of what they were discussing was confusing.

Still, it was a shit load better representation of the fleet than the annual Sydney Harbour Channel 7 WOX1 / Maxi-Fest drivel we get here on Boxing Day each year. 

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The race site works works fine now that the UK has gone to sleep, but there was nothing interesting to see on their site. Only the YB tracker seems to have any value.

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The Volvo's catching CQS. Except for Scallywag. Hugo Boss has some work to do she is back in the Imoca pack

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Don't piss too hard on Ludde.  We did manage to win this thing in 1995 by 27½ hours after all, by going all the way to France, and sailing miles out of course to avoid the high.  

However his current tool for the job doesn't look all that flash, so they'll have to do a serious jag somewhere.  Long way to go, though.

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What boat was that nailed the start in IRC 4, JPK or MAT 1010.........ok JPK

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1 hour ago, P_Wop said:

Don't piss too hard on Ludde.  We did manage to win this thing in 1995 by 27½ hours after all, by going all the way to France, and sailing miles out of course to avoid the high.  

However his current tool for the job doesn't look all that flash, so they'll have to do a serious jag somewhere.  Long way to go, though.

So we can't use a Dennis Conner term for his boat..? CQS is the highest rated boat by quite a way but not sailing that way. Nikata the 115" cruiser is ahead of her

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Bizarre experience all around. I don't think I've ever watched video coverage of an event where the commentators appeared not to be watching the video feed at all. But I think I understand what was going on, they were doing a radio broadcast and their audio was simply stuck on top of the video, with no expectation of any connection apart from that they concerned events happening at the same time. I enjoyed watching Concise take off on one hull. 

It seems strange that they would not start the Volvo65s with the IMOCA60s. The Volvos seem to be catching the IMOCAs, but perhaps that's because they are going upwind, and of course the IMOCAs are doublehanded. Maybe on the return trip if they are reaching a lot the IMOCAs with their foils will be competitive, but they might be out of touch by then.

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Wow, that MOD70 Concise is flying. Couldn't find her on the tracker at first., she was so far ahead.

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11 minutes ago, TheDragon said:

Bizarre experience all around. I don't think I've ever watched video coverage of an event where the commentators appeared not to be watching the video feed at all. But I think I understand what was going on, they were doing a radio broadcast and their audio was simply stuck on top of the video, with no expectation of any connection apart from that they concerned events happening at the same time. I enjoyed watching Concise take off on one hull. 

It seems strange that they would not start the Volvo65s with the IMOCA60s. The Volvos seem to be catching the IMOCAs, but perhaps that's because they are going upwind, and of course the IMOCAs are doublehanded. Maybe on the return trip if they are reaching a lot the IMOCAs with their foils will be competitive, but they might be out of touch by then.

The Volvo 65's are faster upwind than an Imoca 60. And yes the Volvo's are fully crewed. The Imoca's will come into their own when they encounter reaching and running conditions. 

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Saw that Pip Hare and Peter Harding are dis-masted - anyone got an update on the cause?

Pic is from Pip's facebook page

 

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Just had a look at the tracker. Paul Meilhat on SMA is schooling everyone. Really impressive.

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On 8/2/2017 at 0:53 PM, Last Post said:

Sold, or Anthony's Kiwi crew sailing her? Different name on the entry list.

I heard there's a bigger Crusader coming soon - 50ish?

According to their FB page a month or so back, it's not sold and it's the same crew as before. Not signed up with a different name as I can see, but maybe you confuse it with the Elliott 52ss Outsider? (I did, for 3 seconds)

Can't really figure out why Crusader is in class Z, along with VO70s, CQS, etc. Is their rating really that high, or is it a mistake? Doesn't sound fun sailing upwind with that boat in that class...

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22 minutes ago, money drain said:

According to their FB page a month or so back, it's not sold and it's the same crew as before. Not signed up with a different name as I can see, but maybe you confuse it with the Elliott 52ss Outsider? (I did, for 3 seconds)

Can't really figure out why Crusader is in class Z, along with VO70s, CQS, etc. Is their rating really that high, or is it a mistake? Doesn't sound fun sailing upwind with that boat in that class...

Class Z includes all the canting keel boats.

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