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terrafirma

Rolex Fastnet Race 2017

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Varuna doing well. Fourth in IRC overall 

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Does Nikata have a "racing mode" with the luxury interior stripped out, or are they racing in full comfort?

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SMA is really trucking. Now only 1 mile behind Nikata.

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1 minute ago, theadmiralty said:

Is there enough miles left for THE BOSS to take CQS and Nikata? 

Not even almost.

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Unlikely, CQS is faster than SMA right now. I wonder how their foils look this time.

HB should have brought a lawn chair, a keg and looking at the tracker also a grill for his update videos. (And unless he speeds up a whole lot more than expected on the remaining downwind run Jamie Oliver for added effect. ;) ) At least he managed to leavet Arnaud Boissieres behind him. Varuna (Ker56) is still way ahead of him, even ahead of Bureau Vallée 2 previously known as Banque Populaire, winning boat of the last VG.

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CQS seems stuck in the lighter weather.  Foils unlikely to be contributing much if at all.    

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Cool to see the IMOCAs catch the Volvo65s again after being passed on the out and upwind leg. HB is moving out, showing just how fast she can be, but running out of race track. The YB tracker works a treat to replay things.

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Who was navving Rambler?

Varuna is a very cool machine.  Watched them go by us in Pac Cup last year.  Hull up to hull down made for a very entertaining afternoon! 

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Paul Meilhat & cia. on SMA and Nikata final run will be interesting, but there are a lot of V65 before the next IMOCA. Impressive.

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SMA passed Nikata somewhere near the Lizard but that might be it for them. Hard to see them hauling in CQS with only 45 miles to go.

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Hugo Boss can catch Varuna and Artemis but after that it will be tough unless someone makes a mistake.

Privateer has taken the lead in IRC. Great effort.

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SMA is still going to beat Nikita and in fact is pulling away. Massive effort with 2 onboard and almost half the size!!

 

CQS continues to prove its somewhat a dog....

 

Crusader has had a forgettable race!

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1 hour ago, Tropical Madness said:

SMA is still going to beat Nikita and in fact is pulling away. Massive effort with 2 onboard and almost half the size!!

 

CQS continues to prove its somewhat a dog....

 

Crusader has had a forgettable race!

what about that dog maverick ? not looking to hot at the moment.

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1 hour ago, Tropical Madness said:

 

Crusader has had a forgettable race!

not entirely sure how you can judge that yet - she just rounded.

35ft upwind is 35ft -- no matter how fast the boat.

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Privateer with 35 miles to go, 1st IRC Zero, 1st Overall...GO boys!

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crusader really trucking, showing 15.6 on the tracker right now, Infiniti 46 maverick attempting to catch Ker 46 Lady Mariposa...

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Can you give y

the ranking of the french boat " lady first 2 " , I have a lot of friends on board . Thank's

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1 hour ago, Puntone said:

Can you give y

the ranking of the french boat " lady first 2 " , I have a lot of friends on board . Thank's

 

she is currently 9th IRC 1, and 23rd IRC Overall

10.5 kts @ 133,74°

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Anyone got the a link to or a copy of the 2017 SIs please?

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^interesting...kind of a negative feedback loop ...slow boat upwind leads to riskier and worse decision making

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Are the French taking part in another race or something? All gunning it across the channel at the moment...

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1 hour ago, herr_zorzs said:

 

she is currently 9th IRC 1, and 23rd IRC Overall

10.5 kts @ 133,74°

Thanks herr_ zorzs . I can't open the tracker

I have raced a lot with LF 1 ( beneteau first 456 ) and LF 2

Lady first 1.jpg

lf2.jpg

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1 hour ago, theadmiralty said:

Are the French taking part in another race or something? All gunning it across the channel at the moment...

Going home to get ready for their next race, its what they always do. No point in hanging around in Blighty, crap food and worse wine.

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12 minutes ago, Last Post said:

 No point in hanging around in Blighty, crap food and worse wine.

True, we get most of it from Australia these days.

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16 minutes ago, Last Post said:

Going home to get ready for their next race, its what they always do. No point in hanging around in Blighty, crap food and worse wine.

this. why would you want to sit in the solent if you could be in the bretagne?

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5 minutes ago, herr_zorzs said:

this. why would you want to sit in the solent if you could be in the bretagne?

+1

But not quite making it for the all-important lunch.

Back to Brittany.jpg

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5 minutes ago, herr_zorzs said:

this. why would you want to sit in the solent if you could be in the bretagne?

You do know the finish is in Plymouth right?

(Not that that's any better, to be honest)

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1 minute ago, DFL1010 said:

You do know the finish is in Plymouth right?

(Not that that's any better, to be honest)

true, never been there... maybe it's nicer

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The first Class40 have arrived, the first boats of IRC one will arrive soon.

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Where are all of the IMOCA 60's going?

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30 minutes ago, gullwinkle said:

Where are all of the IMOCA 60's going?

Home. 

Quite surprised they didn't drop off the trackers. 

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rooting for timeline, this is very tight.

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And in IRC world, will there be doublehanders winning their class against fully crewed ?

Maybe Bleu Note JPK 10.80 in IRC 3, they lead but very close fight.

Or Night and Day JPK 10.10 in IRC 4, leading , could make it.

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Can anyone come up with an explanation as to why on the return leg Concise went to the South of the South Scillies TSS and every other multihull ( and every other boat so far for that matter) has left the West Scillies TSS to Port? I reckon they made a mistake and were using the course from 2015 when the South Scillies TSS was a mark of the course for the multi's..... Or am I missing something?

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Traffic.
Why rush headlong into the IRC 1-4 and Class40 traffic jam if you are going 25+knots and there is no record to get.

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24 minutes ago, Chasm said:

Traffic.
Why rush headlong into the IRC 1-4 and Class40 traffic jam if you are going 25+knots and there is no record to get.

This is the rational for Fastnet TSS and was for the 2015 race with the South Scillies TSS but I don't buy it with this race, the Concise track is clearly around the bottom corners of the South TSS and in any case 95% the outbound boats are either going around Lands End inside of the Lands End TSS or around the bottom of that TSS and North between it and the Scilly Islands. This is probably the reason for not including the South Scillies TSS as a mark of the course for this years race in that there's plenty enough separation without the need for the multi's to leave it to Port.

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Maverick must have had a stellar finish, after being stuck 10nm behind the Ker46 for 90% of the race it finished 30 minutes in front.

 

Also - that Mach45 was smoking !

 

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Taking part in our races.
Winning our races.
Stealing our victories.
Stealing our women.
Buggering off home. 

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3 hours ago, theadmiralty said:

Stealing our women.

Sounds like they are doing you a favour...

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57 minutes ago, hoppy said:

Sounds like they are doing you a favour...

This made me think of examples the British stealing their women, and the only one I could think of was Henry V (the Shakespeare play, not an IOR boat from the late 70's), which then made me ponder the fact that that Alex Thomson looks vaguely like Kenneth Branagh. 

 

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7 hours ago, theadmiralty said:

Taking part in our races.
Winning our races.
Stealing our victories.
Stealing our women.
Buggering each other at home. 

hmmm

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9 hours ago, dachopper said:

Maverick must have had a stellar finish, after being stuck 10nm behind the Ker46 for 90% of the race it finished 30 minutes in front.

 

Also - that Mach45 was smoking !

 

When the boats like Maverick and Hugo Boss turned around the rock and encountered reaching and running conditions they were able to use their foils and sail faster compared to non foiling boats. Hugo Boss was over 30 miles behind Varuna (Kerr 56)  but finished 2-3 miles behind them in the end. Maverick would of been able to use their DSS and get their speeds up on the reach home.

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2 hours ago, terrafirma said:

When the boats like Maverick and Hugo Boss turned around the rock and encountered reaching and running conditions they were able to use their foils and sail faster compared to non foiling boats. Hugo Boss was over 30 miles behind Varuna (Kerr 56)  but finished 2-3 miles behind them in the end. Maverick would of been able to use their DSS and get their speeds up on the reach home.

Terra - looking at the playback, the rock to the exclusion zone, maverick made up no ground at all, slightly faster, but sailing slightly higher.... It seems VMG running is not their advantage point.

 

Then their tracker looks like it fell off a the corner of the exclusion zone, and they then clawed back 14 miles in 9 hours from the Kerr 46. That's a reasonable 1.5 kt advantage, but looks like they really needed a broad / close or any type of reach to see the advantage... still not bad, in the big scheme of things, same speed VMG downwind as the Ker, and ~ 0.16 of a knot slower upwind.....

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3 minutes ago, dachopper said:

Terra - looking at the playback, the rock to the exclusion zone, maverick made up no ground at all, slightly faster, but sailing slightly higher.... It seems VMG running is not their advantage point.

 

Then their tracker looks like it fell off a the corner of the exclusion zone, and they then clawed back 14 miles in 9 hours from the Kerr 46. That's a reasonable 1.5 kt advantage, but looks like they really needed a broad / close or any type of reach to see the advantage

Yet to see a good allround foil assisted boat.    

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5 hours ago, By the lee said:

 1010's simply amaze just killing longer h2o-lines r those guys in front pro's?

Were talking IRC 4

Pascal Loison did win in 2013 I believe 2 handed with his son even Overall IRC (in the same boat)  IIRC.

And leading again.

Foggy Dew has been doing this for a long time too.

Third placed guy I do not know.

 

Its a combination of a good design, modern sail handling systems, good yard support and development in sails etc.
And a lot of racing time...

Its about sharing knowledge between sailors too, French are quit good in that compared to some other nations.

 

Check out the Dehler 33  position, name Sun Hill 3, for me remarkable.

 

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53 minutes ago, jonas a said:

Yet to see a good allround foil assisted boat.    

I think all that we see from the Fastnet is that it was a windward/leeward race with a short reach in at the end and so the more optimised the foiled boats for reaching ( or Vendee as with HB ) then the harder it is for them to sail to an IRC rating.  Would be very interesting to see this scored under ORC/IMS as this rating system is way more equitable towards these boats.

Also you do have to go the right way! and both the quoted boats Mav/HB made a total Horlicks of at least one section of the race!  Portland for maverick was a disaster and that was their race gone early doors, HB up the Irish sea, but was at a disadvantage everywhere in performance terms.  Lot of gates in this race, and miss one and recovery ain't going to happen

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6 minutes ago, GBH said:

I think all that we see from the Fastnet is that it was a windward/leeward race with a short reach in at the end and so the more optimised the foiled boats for reaching ( or Vendee as with HB ) then the harder it is for them to sail to an IRC rating.  Would be very interesting to see this scored under ORC/IMS as this rating system is way more equitable towards these boats.

Also you do have to go the right way! and both the quoted boats Mav/HB made a total Horlicks of at least one section of the race!  Portland for maverick was a disaster and that was their race gone early doors, HB up the Irish sea, but was at a disadvantage everywhere in performance terms.  Lot of gates in this race, and miss one and recovery ain't going to happen

Yes, good point about ratings. Also eg straight foiler Varuna isn't really IRC optimised. It seems like some owners just don't care too much about ratings and just want to go fast downhill  

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1 min between first and second in IRC 3. After 4 days, that's tight racing! 

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Decent race the last few hours for 3rd in IRC4.  Xara, Sagitta, and China Girl were all going fast enough to sneak in ahead of Cocody's time, but they've all slowed down in the last miles and Cocody is looking more likely to hang on.

This is the closest I've ever watched this race.  Mind-boggling how tight the traffic is at times.  There must be some boats that are within sight of 10+ other boats the entire way around the course.  Especially with the constrictions imposed by the TSS zones.

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21 hours ago, jonas a said:

Yet to see a good allround foil assisted boat.    

 

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On 8/9/2017 at 9:20 AM, LeoV said:

Or Night and Day JPK 10.10 in IRC 4, leading , could make it.

 

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21 hours ago, jonas a said:

So this boat won irc overall. 

It's actually a different boat, the boat in the forum is a boat called Stamina, both designed by Nivelt and look similar

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6 hours ago, dachopper said:

 

Doesn't seem to be getting good all-round results.

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3 hours ago, JL92S said:

It's actually a different boat, the boat in the forum is a boat called Stamina, both designed by Nivelt and look similar

Yes, you're right. Noticed that. Do you know how much they differ

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Thanks By the Lee, father and son team..

And 23rd overall IRC.

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6 hours ago, jonas a said:

Yes, you're right. Noticed that. Do you know how much they differ

Probably different builders, don't know who built either, stamina is very hard chained and carries asymmetric spinnakers as well as symmetric spinnakers, Lann Ael 2 is a little shorter with the same rating which makes me think it could be a bit lighter than Stamina, it also has an asymmetrics only wardrobe with twin bobstays. Lann Ael also uses a single rudder whereas Stamina has twin rudders mounted quite close together and very far forward, so much so that when the boat is at rest you can't see either rudder

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On another thread there are people lamenting the decline in youngsters taking up sailing; a common theme is perceived cost.

So lets big up the crew of 'Silver Shamrock' that finished tonight. 1976 Half ton cup winner or not, 605 miles is a long way on a 30 footer. Well done guys.

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11 hours ago, TimD said:

On another thread there are people lamenting the decline in youngsters taking up sailing; a common theme is perceived cost.

So lets big up the crew of 'Silver Shamrock' that finished tonight. 1976 Half ton cup winner or not, 605 miles is a long way on a 30 footer. Well done guys.

Forgot to round off my earlier post: Silver Shamrock was on the market in 2014 for just £6,000!

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12 minutes ago, TimD said:

Forgot to round off my earlier post: Silver Shamrock was on the market in 2014 for just £6,000!

And they probably had as much fun as anyone else, if not more

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Some average speeds from Fastnet rock to finish on the Blur page Here . Not really comparable due to different conditions, but interesting anyhow

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We did rock to plym in 26 hours.. great fun   batting  through irc 1 and playing with class 40's

 

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