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billy backstay

Profit and the presidency - He's going down!!

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I believe Dog is correct about one thing.. 

stuck with Gropenfuhrer until 2021

Unless he croaks before that 

My morals prevent me from hoping for the demise of a living creature. . 

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2 hours ago, phillysailor said:

Sticking by the intent of the framers isn't "holier than thou shit." It's a political choice I've made that you seem to reject. If I understand you correctly, you don't approve of our President's actions, but you don't see a legal reason to remove him from office.

Ethical standards, historical precedent, and the importance of the position all argue for rigorous examination of the president's behavior and actions while in office. Simply accepting all that he or she does, blindly, unless and until they are convicted of a crime is begging for abuse by one such as Trump. If Democrats were displaying the degree of maladministration presented by this group of elected and appointed officials, I think we all assume you would be losing your mind, screaming for justice and immediate impeachment. "Lock her up!" and all that.

Because you are ok with the current administration continuing with their policies of personal enrichment and that of their business associates, mimicking the Russian model of using state organs to further enrich oligarchs, you are at minimum acting like a hypocrite. But, you still have an opportunity to explain WHY you selectively apply your scathing criticism, giving Trump and company a pass. I think you personally profit from the actions of this administration, and so will never have the same expectation of their behavior as you would for those politicians trying to help our more vulnerable citizens. Understandable, but not patriotic. And you are not supporting America's democratic ideals, you rent-seeking asshole.

 

 

I know of 5 different public investigations and so far no charges of wrong doing. Perhaps you know something the investigators do not but more likely you don't and your motivation is political. If you can demonstrate to me that he is exploiting his office to enrich himself as you charge, I will support his removal. Until then I will respect the will of the people and you should too.

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5 minutes ago, Dog said:

I know of 5 different public investigations and so far no charges of wrong doing. Perhaps you know something the investigators do not but more likely you don't and your motivation is political. If you can demonstrate to me that he is exploiting his office to enrich himself as you charge, I will support his removal. Until then I will respect the will of the people and you should too.

Hillary was investigated multiple times for decades, and nothing was found to be illegitamate.  But in this case the Russian links are provable, and well documented. 

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trump U Fraud case:

He bought off the Florida authorities and paid more fines to reach a plea bargain. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Gouvernail said:

trump U Fraud case:

He bought off the Florida authorities and paid more fines to reach a plea bargain. 

 

And there were earlier payoffs, when he and his father were guilty of discrimination, by refusing to rent apartments to blacks...

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It must be tough to be Gropenfuhrer's loyal Dog

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Five times law enforcers could have arrested Donald Trump but didn’t

https://www.google.com/amp/www.citypaper.com/blogs/the-news-hole/bcpnews-five-times-law-enforcers-could-have-arrested-donald-trump-but-didn-t-20170306-story,amp.html

1. The obstruction of justice, 1981. As Trump was trying to get into the Atlantic City casino boom, he blew the cover of a confidential FBI informant named Daniel Sullivan, a mob-connected "labor consultant" Trump had hired to liaison with construction unions. "New York was so totally corrupt and so controlled by the mob in the '80s that in order to be a successful businessman, you had to have some way to work that world," Walter Stowe, one of Sullivan's FBI handlers, told the Washington Post last year. 

Trump was trying to get his first casino license, and the New Jersey Gaming Commission was asking about Sullivan, so Trump told them he was FBI affiliated "to nip things in the bud," thus scuttling a planned FBI investigation into organized crime in his planned casino.

...and it goes on at the link 

 

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2 hours ago, Dog said:

I know of 5 different public investigations and so far no charges of wrong doing. Perhaps you know something the investigators do not but more likely you don't and your motivation is political. If you can demonstrate to me that he is exploiting his office to enrich himself as you charge, I will support his removal. Until then I will respect the will of the people and you should too.

If the will of the people is that expressed in Charlottesville by the Alt Right and racists, I will not respect it, and neither should you.

Off the top of my head, there are several ways Trump is exploiting his office to enrich himself and his family:

1. Price of membership at Mar-y largo has doubled, cost of drinks and the menu has similarly increased since Trump was elected president 

2. Trump's exclusive patronage of his golfing establishments on weekends has poured federal dollars into his own businesses

3. Even the Secret Service got tired of being charged exorbitant prices to protect the Trump Hotel

4. He is both the renter and in charge of the rental agreement for his Washington Hotel

5. His harpy spokesperson has touted a family line of clothing while acting in her official duties at the WH

6. He has engaged in blatant nepotism

7. His son in law's name has been used as part of business offering of investment in exchange for green cards

8. He has failed to divest himself from his businesses to a standard found acceptable to ethics experts & he is violating historical precedent

Wtf Dog, why are you so ok of this track record of mixing politics and personal finances? Is it that he fails to call out racists? Do you personally stand to gain from his policies? Why are you alright with establishing this precedent for future presidents?

 

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9 hours ago, phillysailor said:

If the will of the people is that expressed in Charlottesville by the Alt Right and racists, I will not respect it, and neither should you.

Off the top of my head, there are several ways Trump is exploiting his office to enrich himself and his family:

1. Price of membership at Mar-y largo has doubled, cost of drinks and the menu has similarly increased since Trump was elected president 

2. Trump's exclusive patronage of his golfing establishments on weekends has poured federal dollars into his own businesses

3. Even the Secret Service got tired of being charged exorbitant prices to protect the Trump Hotel

4. He is both the renter and in charge of the rental agreement for his Washington Hotel

5. His harpy spokesperson has touted a family line of clothing while acting in her official duties at the WH

6. He has engaged in blatant nepotism

7. His son in law's name has been used as part of business offering of investment in exchange for green cards

8. He has failed to divest himself from his businesses to a standard found acceptable to ethics experts & he is violating historical precedent

Wtf Dog, why are you so ok of this track record of mixing politics and personal finances? Is it that he fails to call out racists? Do you personally stand to gain from his policies? Why are you alright with establishing this precedent for future presidents?

 

That Trump had business interests that would be affected by his election was known to the voters. JFK engaged in blatant nepotism. There is no historical precedent for a president Trump. Sorry, I'm not seeing justification for overturning the results of an election here. Maybe something will be revealed but we don't have it yet, we just don't.

The cost of drinks at Mar-y-largo!...Really?

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48 minutes ago, Dog said:

That Trump had business interests that would be affected by his election was known to the voters. JFK engaged in blatant nepotism. There is no historical precedent for a president Trump. Sorry, I'm not seeing justification for overturning the results of an election here. Maybe something will be revealed but we don't have it yet, we just don't.

The cost of drinks at Mar-y-largo!...Really?

dog,   trying to get rational or honest replies out of philly isn't possible.  he has trump convicted based on opinon pieces in the news, his mind is closed

he is nanny government sucks, but on the other side of the line

just let it go

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1 hour ago, hermetic said:

dog,   trying to get rational or honest replies out of philly isn't possible.  he has trump convicted based on opinon pieces in the news, his mind is closed

he is nanny government sucks, but on the other side of the line

just let it go

As you and DOG had Hillary convicted I bet!

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Hermetic you have been very free with calling people liars, however your charge simply doesn't stick. First, I haven't engaged in anything untruthful. Second you are supporting an inveterate liar. Spare us your sanctimony, for your ethics are malleable and therefore of minimal importance. 

Dog, if Kennedy's nepotism offended you, then you should be equally offended by Trump's, else be a hypocrite. BTW, before he was AG, Bobby had worked in the Justice Department and had resigned after being appointed to McCarthy's Committee because he didn't approve of their tactics. He joined the Senate’s permanent Subcommittee on Investigations as chief counsel for the Democratic minority in '54 and investigated the teamsters starting in '57. Go ahead and compare this to Jared's extensive experience in the State Department, sorting out international problems. We will all wait while you flail. His international experience appears to be laundering Russian money by purcahsing a skyscraper at prices that have to be fraudulent to make financial sense. Google it if you need a cite. And Ivanka's extensive political experience is well known to us all. Please take on the task of enlightening us. 

Your comparisons to Democrats all seem to be false comparisons, huh? Man, that HAS to be frustrating. Sad.

As for drinks at his clubs, the point is, he is able to charge more for every service provided at his clubs since being elected president. Hence, he is exploiting his office to gain personal profit. No doubt room rates, parking fees, meals, event planning and reservations have undergone similar increases. Wouldn't you like to simply be able to double your prices while forcing the government to pay your rates? I notice you didn't even try to address the sole patronage of his clubs for weekends, the Green Card offerings, the Ivanka infomercial from the WH or the false "divestment" from his empire.

But please, lets have another excuse/forgiveness exercise. You guys are pathetic, but so willing to pant pathetically by his side. Good doggy. Fetch!

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7 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

Hermetic you have been very free with calling people liars, however your charge simply doesn't stick. First, I haven't engaged in anything untruthful. Second you are supporting an inveterate liar. Spare us your sanctimony, for your ethics are malleable and therefore of minimal importance. 

Dog, if Kennedy's nepotism offended you, then you should be equally offended by Trump's, else be a hypocrite. BTW, before he was AG, Bobby had worked in the Justice Department and had resigned after being appointed to McCarthy's Committee because he didn't approve of their tactics. He joined the Senate’s permanent Subcommittee on Investigations as chief counsel for the Democratic minority in '54 and investigated the teamsters starting in '57. Go ahead and compare this to Jared's extensive experience in the State Department, sorting out international problems. We will all wait while you flail. His international experience appears to be laundering Russian money by purcahsing a skyscraper at prices that have to be fraudulent to make financial sense. Google it if you need a cite. And Ivanka's extensive political experience is well known to us all. Please take on the task of enlightening us. 

Your comparisons to Democrats all seem to be false comparisons, huh? Man, that HAS to be frustrating. Sad.

As for drinks at his clubs, the point is, he is able to charge more for every service provided at his clubs since being elected president. Hence, he is exploiting his office to gain personal profit. No doubt room rates, parking fees, meals, event planning and reservations have undergone similar increases. Wouldn't you like to simply be able to double your prices while forcing the government to pay your rates? I notice you didn't even try to address the sole patronage of his clubs for weekends, the Green Card offerings, the Ivanka infomercial from the WH or the false "divestment" from his empire.

But please, lets have another excuse/forgiveness exercise. You guys are pathetic, but so willing to pant pathetically by his side. Good doggy. Fetch!

Philly, stop telling the truth, stop being sensible, and stop including facts, Doggie and Hermie don't understand that.

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22 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

Hermetic you have been very free with calling people liars, however your charge simply doesn't stick. First, I haven't engaged in anything untruthful. Second you are supporting an inveterate liar. Spare us your sanctimony, for your ethics are malleable and therefore of minimal importance. 

Dog, if Kennedy's nepotism offended you, then you should be equally offended by Trump's, else be a hypocrite. BTW, before he was AG, Bobby had worked in the Justice Department and had resigned after being appointed to McCarthy's Committee because he didn't approve of their tactics. He joined the Senate’s permanent Subcommittee on Investigations as chief counsel for the Democratic minority in '54 and investigated the teamsters starting in '57. Go ahead and compare this to Jared's extensive experience in the State Department, sorting out international problems. We will all wait while you flail. His international experience appears to be laundering Russian money by purcahsing a skyscraper at prices that have to be fraudulent to make financial sense. Google it if you need a cite. And Ivanka's extensive political experience is well known to us all. Please take on the task of enlightening us. 

Your comparisons to Democrats all seem to be false comparisons, huh? Man, that HAS to be frustrating. Sad.

As for drinks at his clubs, the point is, he is able to charge more for every service provided at his clubs since being elected president. Hence, he is exploiting his office to gain personal profit. No doubt room rates, parking fees, meals, event planning and reservations have undergone similar increases. Wouldn't you like to simply be able to double your prices while forcing the government to pay your rates? I notice you didn't even try to address the sole patronage of his clubs for weekends, the Green Card offerings, the Ivanka infomercial from the WH or the false "divestment" from his empire.

But please, lets have another excuse/forgiveness exercise. You guys are pathetic, but so willing to pant pathetically by his side. Good doggy. Fetch!

I'm providing you a service here. Your TDS has caused you to believe there are grounds for overturning the will of the people. There are not, at least not yet. I'm treating your condition with a dose of reality, it may taste bad but it's for your own good.

BTW... if Trump's nepotism offends you, then you should be equally offended by Kennedy's...else be a hypocrite.

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15 hours ago, Dog said:

I know of 5 different public investigations and so far no charges of wrong doing. Perhaps you know something the investigators do not but more likely you don't and your motivation is political. If you can demonstrate to me that he is exploiting his office to enrich himself as you charge, I will support his removal. Until then I will respect the will of the people and you should too.

Let's see what happens, it's only been really six months. Hillary was investigated for what? The most recent, 6 yrs. They've only just begun. And why did Trump warn Mueller NOT to look into his finances or else! Sounds like Trump has something to hide Doggie!

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2 hours ago, Dog said:

I'm providing you a service here. Your TDS has caused you to believe there are grounds for overturning the will of the people. There are not, at least not yet. I'm treating your condition with a dose of reality, it may taste bad but it's for your own good.

BTW... if Trump's nepotism offends you, then you should be equally offended by Kennedy's...else be a hypocrite.

Nepotism... to what extent? How many members of his immediate family circle did Kennedy appoint, and how many did Trump? How many times did Kennedy hawk his personally branded wares? Did Jackie sue publishers of unflattering articles about her, because it damaged her name's market value?

Kennedy engaged in nepotism, check. That was bad. Trump is like a 4-ring circus of conflict of interest and nepotism. So that's good, right?

More of the same attempt to draw a false equivalence, more shouting DEMOCRATS DID IT TOO !!! When the fuck will you people grow up?

-DSK

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11 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Nepotism... to what extent? How many members of his immediate family circle did Kennedy appoint, and how many did Trump? How many times did Kennedy hawk his personally branded wares? Did Jackie sue publishers of unflattering articles about her, because it damaged her name's market value?

Kennedy engaged in nepotism, check. That was bad. Trump is like a 4-ring circus of conflict of interest and nepotism. So that's good, right?

More of the same attempt to draw a false equivalence, more shouting DEMOCRATS DID IT TOO !!! When the fuck will you people grow up?

-DSK

Hey, at least RFK was qualified for the job!

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2 hours ago, Dog said:

I'm providing you a service here. Your TDS has caused you to believe there are grounds for overturning the will of the people. There are not, at least not yet. I'm treating your condition with a dose of reality, it may taste bad but it's for your own good.

What a pathetic piece of partisan shit you are Dog. Keep defending Trump

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2 hours ago, Dog said:

I'm providing you a service here. Your TDS has caused you to believe there are grounds for overturning the will of the people. There are not, at least not yet. I'm treating your condition with a dose of reality, it may taste bad but it's for your own good.

BTW... if Trump's nepotism offends you, then you should be equally offended by Kennedy's...else be a hypocrite.

I note that you can only focus on a single specific at a time, thinking that attacking that single item defeats an entire argument. You have not only attempted to use an instance when nepotism has been judged favorably by history, but also have avoided answering the basic question of your motives five or six times in succession. You are incapable of responding effectively to the argument I and others have been making in this thread.

The only thing you've accomplished is wagging your tail and licking your master's hand. Your arguments are weak and ineffectual, and you are continually on the defensive. That you haven't yet pissed on the carpet is of continual astonishment to us all. 

Fetch, doggy! Maybe your master will give you a treat! He might even sick you on some protestors like your forebears in the 60s. In any case, never question Him or his motives. As they chanted in Charlottesville, "Heil Trump!"

 

 

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3 hours ago, Dog said:

Your TDS has caused you to believe there are grounds for overturning the will of the people.

I am not interested in "overturning the will of the people".

I AM interested in holding President Trump accountable for any and all actions he takes and statements he makes.  That means I am not willing to turn a blind eye and say "Well, he won, I guess we have to live with it."  Not the way he is acting.  

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1 hour ago, phillysailor said:

I note that you can only focus on a single specific at a time, thinking that attacking that single item defeats an entire argument. You have not only attempted to use an instance when nepotism has been judged favorably by history, but also have avoided answering the basic question of your motives five or six times in succession. You are incapable of responding effectively to the argument I and others have been making in this thread.

The only thing you've accomplished is wagging your tail and licking your master's hand. Your arguments are weak and ineffectual, and you are continually on the defensive. That you haven't yet pissed on the carpet is of continual astonishment to us all. 

Fetch, doggy! Maybe your master will give you a treat! He might even sick you on some protestors like your forebears in the 60s. In any case, never question Him or his motives. As they chanted in Charlottesville, "Heil Trump!"

 

 

Speaking of weak ineffectual argument.

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1 hour ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

What a pathetic piece of partisan shit you are Dog. Keep defending Trump

This is the thanks I get for telling the truth.

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1 minute ago, Dog said:

This is the thanks I get for telling the truth.

Thank you Kelly Ann!

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

Nepotism... to what extent? How many members of his immediate family circle did Kennedy appoint, and how many did Trump? How many times did Kennedy hawk his personally branded wares? Did Jackie sue publishers of unflattering articles about her, because it damaged her name's market value?

Kennedy engaged in nepotism, check. That was bad. Trump is like a 4-ring circus of conflict of interest and nepotism. So that's good, right?

More of the same attempt to draw a false equivalence, more shouting DEMOCRATS DID IT TOO !!! When the fuck will you people grow up?

-DSK

Look FS, I'm not the one who raised the issue. I just pointed out that it wasn't anything new.

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Just now, Dog said:

Look FS, I'm not the one who raised the issue. I just pointed out that it wasn't anything new.

Ever heard of Boss Tweed? You'd like him, you could point to all kinds of stuff he did and say "See? See? Democrats are WORSE!"

-DSK

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2 minutes ago, Dog said:

Look FS, I'm not the one who raised the issue. I just pointed out that it wasn't anything new.

Oh dear, I'm surprised you missed it!

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Just now, Steam Flyer said:

Ever heard of Boss Tweed? You'd like him, you could point to all kinds of stuff he did and say "See? See? Democrats are WORSE!"

-DSK

Never heard of him and I didn't say Democrats are worse.

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6 minutes ago, Dog said:

I feel some dog pictures coming on.

Will this work in a rich dog?

Image result for Kelly Ann Conway as a dog pics

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10 minutes ago, Dog said:

Never heard of him and I didn't say Democrats are worse.

You're kidding! Hint, he'd be a Republican in 2017 guaranteed! You'd love him!

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17 minutes ago, Dog said:

Never heard of him and I didn't say Democrats are worse.

Boss Tweed, patron saint of crooked politicians-  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Tweed

Interesting part of the story, in the aftermath of the Civil War, Republicans (Lincoln Republicans, you'd have hated them Dog) controlled most of the country. Tweed rose to prominence by getting Democrats control over New York

(quote from the above link) "After the election of 1869, Tweed took control of the New York City government. His protégé, John T. Hoffman, the former mayor of the city, won election as governor, and Tweed garnered the support of good government reformers like Peter Cooper and the Union League Club, by proposing a new city charter which returned power to City Hall...  ...   ...  The new charter passed, thanks in part to $600,000 in bribes Tweed paid to Republicans..."

The message is that graft bad no matter who does it (and I don't think the Kennedys indulged in much graft, and not really all that much nepotism) and unchallenged power leads to corruption.

Piece of history that every American should know at least a little about, Dog.

-DSK

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14 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Boss Tweed, patron saint of crooked politicians-  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Tweed

Interesting part of the story, in the aftermath of the Civil War, Republicans (Lincoln Republicans, you'd have hated them Dog) controlled most of the country. Tweed rose to prominence by getting Democrats control over New York

(quote from the above link) "After the election of 1869, Tweed took control of the New York City government. His protégé, John T. Hoffman, the former mayor of the city, won election as governor, and Tweed garnered the support of good government reformers like Peter Cooper and the Union League Club, by proposing a new city charter which returned power to City Hall...  ...   ...  The new charter passed, thanks in part to $600,000 in bribes Tweed paid to Republicans..."

The message is that graft bad no matter who does it (and I don't think the Kennedys indulged in much graft, and not really all that much nepotism) and unchallenged power leads to corruption.

Piece of history that every American should know at least a little about, Dog.

-DSK

Thanks for reminding me who his conies were Steam. You saved me the time googling him.

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

Never heard of him and I didn't say Democrats are worse.

You never heard of Boss Tweed? Did you grow up under a rock?

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

This is the thanks I get for telling the truth.

You present your opinion. It is not, no matter the number of times you repeat your simple lies, the truth.

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1 hour ago, billy backstay said:

You never heard of Boss Tweed? Did you grow up under a rock?

Probably never heard of Tammany Hall, or The Kingfish either..........

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Just now, Mrleft8 said:

Probably never heard of Tammany Hall, or The Kingfish either..........

Maybe the "Fish" he's a southern "good ole boy"

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