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7d 21h 45m 32s

finished just prior to shuttling back to the airport to go back to reality/work/US playing in the Caribbean

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ty to all scorekeepers; yet was able to access SA. BTW: Wet Hog gave me a run for the money; good going.

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Was happy to feed Hike Bitches a “Transom Sandwich” ......

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2 hours ago, GrandbendOnt said:

Was happy to feed Hike Bitches a “Transom Sandwich” ......

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Rub it in asshole...in French too! I am surprised your sail doesn't say Regatta de Virtualé :PB)

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Hello,

4 boats still racing, 3 of them aground.

Rank Group SA Name Boat Name DTF Days Hours Minutes Seconds Overall Finish Distance Sailed Percentile Overall
1 A rolltak Awkward Turtle   7 20 58 51 32 2937 0.07%
2 C Will Lee Lorraine III   7 21 4 41 60 2946.2 0.14%
3 B Gufmiester Gufmiester   7 21 5 47 65 2948.2 0.15%
4 A Blue Mountain YC  shockwave11           85   0.19%
5 A Your Mom Your Mom SA           180   0.41%
6 B Wet Hog WetHog-SA   7 21 25 6 183 2978.2 0.42%
7 B Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey   7 21 26 34 201 2948.6 0.46%
8 C Sapphire Girl Sapphire Girl   7 21 26 53 206 2944.7 0.47%
9 A Rainbow Spirit Rainbow Spirit II   7 21 30 21 274 2939.4 0.63%
10 B Tunnel Rat Mongrel   7 21 31 16 282 2979.9 0.64%
11 C Iluvitar Iluvitar   7 21 32 6 293 2965.5 0.67%
12 B Breitling Breitling_SA   7 21 32 28 303 2933.3 0.69%
13 A   JeSa   7 21 38 9 417 2936.5 0.95%
14 A Milli Bitzquart   7 21 38 50 432 2964.4 0.99%
15 A Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA   7 21 39 40 449 2946.5 1.02%
16 B 33jesus jesus   7 21 43 34 534 2965.9 1.22%
17 A jacksparrow Malamute           572   1.30%
18 B 4010 grimlin   7 21 45 32 573 2948.5 1.31%
19 B Marty6 Cambodunum   7 21 51 52 677 2942.5 1.54%
20 B Mike G MikeVentura           718   1.64%
21 C Mr. Fixit Yodaman   7 21 57 55 784 2943.8 1.79%
22 B Shorthanded Shorty   7 22 1 10 828 2971.8 1.89%
23 C prettyhatemachine prettyhatemachine   7 22 5 6 891 2939.1 2.03%
24 C KMan2K7 KMan2K7           958   2.19%
25 C kea.nn kea.nn SA   7 22 13 13 994 2965.5 2.27%
26 B stufishing Stufishing_SA   7 22 26 48 1182 2937.7 2.70%
27 B sailon2 jahmbo SA   7 22 32 23 1253 2951.2 2.86%
28 A frostbit spadadua   7 22 34 33 1284 3086.9 2.93%
29 A Magool Magool   7 22 35 42 1300 2969.6 2.97%
30 C Golden Rose Golden Rose SA           1325   3.02%
31 A Sambaopreis Sambaopreis   7 22 46 44 1458 2966.9 3.33%
32 A From The Rail A-Squared   7 22 48 26 1476 2933 3.37%
33 A mred mistered           1650   3.76%
34 C gary  hschutz           1676   3.82%
35 A daan62 hutspot77   7 23 8 12 1744 2948.6 3.98%
36 A stanlutz USA644RAVEN_SA           1840   4.20%
37 A I Sail The Black Boat Thistle1678   7 23 25 9 1946 2986.6 4.44%
38 B GrandbendOnt GrandbendOnt   7 23 43 4 2170 2963.2 4.95%
39 C Ozzy Ozzy85           2409   5.50%
40 C Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA           2547   5.81%
41 C Hike, Bitches HikeBitches   8 3 40 43 4459 2908.3 10.17%
42 C Patman Patman           4469   10.19%
43 A   rider 1982           6055   13.81%
44 C onedesignracing TeamSatisfaction           7883   17.98%
45 B N/A Walkaround           8946   20.41%
46 A Loon Localdog           11870   27.08%
47 C Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA           12454   28.41%
48 C Vin Divided Sky           16349   37.29%
49 B sailingk8 She Wolf           17238   39.32%
50 B Sandpipper Sandpipper           18956   43.24%
51 A Peacefrog Team False Racing 7.8             0.00%
52 A Alpina (Columba) ColombaRacing 106             0.00%
53 B   cg_ 269             0.00%
54 B HKG1203 HKG1203 2469             0.00%
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Based on the rankings above, here are the overall results.  The boats that are still racing have provisional results.  There has been quite a few changes at the top of the ranking.

Please let me know if I have got things wrong.

Rank Boat Name Leg 1 Leg 2 Leg 3 Leg 4 Leg 6 Leg 7 Leg 8 Leg 9 Total Discard Score
1 Your Mom SA 1 3 1 9 51 1 2 5 73 51 22
2 Gybe Turkey 6 10 9 12 33 4 4 7 85 33 52
3 Breitling_SA 2 12 3 3 9 25 12 12 78 25 53
4 prowler_1-SA 3 13 7 4 17 6 5 15 70 17 53
5 Mongrel 17 4 12 6 15 10 6 10 80 17 63
6 Sapphire Girl 6 8 43 1 23 23 20 8 132 43 89
7 Blitzquart 21 2 31 14 19 11 8 14 120 31 89
8 HKG1203 5 9 2 48 13 5 9 55 146 55 91
9 prettyhatemachine 5 23 6 18 5 13 55 23 148 55 93
10 shockwave11 79 6 5 31 28 8 15 4 176 79 97
11 Yodaman 79 22 10 24 12 7 3 21 178 79 99
12 Iluvitar 79 7 19 20 6 17 19 11 178 79 99
13 Lorraine III 20 30 18 7 4 20 30 2 131 30 101
14 Stufishing_SA 4 1 25 10 52 14 32 26 164 52 112
15 jahmbo SA 28 14 14 15 10 22 22 27 152 28 124
16 Malamute 26 40 17 13 11 35 18 17 177 40 137
17 JeSa 32 43 4 32 14 2 79 13 219 79 140
18 WetHog-SA 8 26 23 27 45 21 29 6 185 45 140
19 Magool 13 25 22 2 22 43 35 29 191 43 148
20 awkwardturtle 41 52 42 21 42 3 1 1 203 52 151
21 Golden Rose SA 16 28 24 28 8 31 17 30 182 31 151
22 Thistle1678 10 32 29 54 16 16 16 37 210 54 156
23 kea.nn SA 27 39 16 23 37 26 21 25 214 39 175
24 Cambodunum 14 42 27 30 30 28 28 19 218 42 176
25 Shorty 40 37 30 25 2 41 24 22 221 41 180
26 Sambaopreis 42 44 8 37 1 40 31 31 234 44 190
27 hutspot77 12 34 39 34 18 30 37 35 239 39 200
28 Vibroman_SA 15 5 13 22 26 44 79 79 283 79 204
29 A-Squared 19 24 11 38 40 49 41 32 254 49 205
30 USA644RAVEN_SA 79 15 34 19 27 39 36 36 285 79 206
31 Ozzy85 32 55 20 39 29 24 25 39 263 55 208
32 Colomba(Racing) 32 16 21 26 48 33 39 52 267 52 215
33 Mudsailor SA 24 17 36 29 47 42 34 40 269 47 222
34 spadadua 79 31 28 35 49 38 27 28 315 79 236
35 Gufmiester 79 79 79 8 36 27 7 3 318 79 239
36 hschutz 79 56 54 42 7 29 38 34 339 79 260
37 MikeVentura 79 47 45 17 50 48 33 20 339 79 260
38 Dcarr 79 18 15 41 24 19 79 79 354 79 275
39 Me Rongo Rekohu SA 25 46 50 40 25 56 42 47 331 56 275
40 Ranbow Spirit II 79 79 79 36 34 18 26 9 360 79 281
41 ON9270 30 50 48 46 20 47 40 79 360 79 281
42 GrandbendOnt 33 38 41 49 41 50 45 38 335 50 285
43 mistered 79 79 79 79 3 9 13 33 374 79 295
44 Walkaround 35 54 52 43 39 32 49 45 349 54 295
45 rider1982 79 33 47 51 32 45 48 43 378 79 299
47 HikeBitches 36 49 33 44 53 52 44 41 352 53 299
48 rule69 11 51 35 33 79 12 79 79 379 79 300
46 grimlin 79 79 79 79 21 15 10 18 380 79 301
49 J2B2 30 20 26 50 44 61 79 79 389 79 310
50 cg_ 79 41 40 53 35 64 43 53 408 79 329
51 Stay Thirsty M 43 31 48 53 58 31 58 52 79 410 79 331
52 Davemw 7 35 38 16 79 79 79 79 412 79 333
53 jesus 79 79 79 79 38 34 23 16 427 79 348
54 tommmzzz 23 29 46 47 64 67 79 79 434 79 355
55 Swamp Rat 79 21 56 11 64 63 79 79 452 79 373
56 Wing it 38 11 44 45 79 79 79 79 454 79 375
57 m2for-SA 18 19 32 79 79 79 79 79 464 79 385
58 KMan2K7 79 79 79 79 79 37 14 24 470 79 391
59 TeamSatisfaction 79 79 79 79 60 46 11 44 477 79 398
60 RIGO 9 27 51 79 79 79 79 79 482 79 403
61 Divided Sky 79 79 79 52 55 57 54 48 503 79 424
62 SailingMyCubicle 39 36 37 79 79 79 79 79 507 79 428
63 Samsonite SA 34 53 49 56 79 79 79 79 508 79 429
64 Patman 79 79 79 79 79 36 47 42 520 79 441
65 Sandpipper 79 79 79 79 58 53 53 50 530 79 451
66 She Wolf 79 79 79 79 59 55 50 49 529 79 450
67 Localdog 79 79 79 79 57 65 56 46 540 79 461
68 Hamachi SA 79 79 79 5 64 79 79 79 543 79 464
69 razcaillou 79 79 79 79 43 54 51 79 543 79 464
70 wpbeardsley 79 79 79 79 54 51 46 79 546 79 467
71 ThijsK 29 45 79 79 79 79 79 79 548 79 469
72 the-love-boat 22 79 79 79 79 79 79 79 575 79 496
73 Dirty Sea Rag 79 79 79 79 46 59 79 79 579 79 500
74 Team False Racing 79 79 79 79 79 79 59 51 584 79 505
75 Eau Gazeuse 37 79 79 79 79 79 79 79 590 79 511
76 Fry 79 79 79 79 79 60 57 79 591 79 512
77 puckhead 79 79 79 79 56 62 79 79 592 79 513
78 CaptainSENer 79 79 79 55 79 79 79 79 608 79 529
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I'm still amazed how many sailor we have in the Top 100, 500, 1000 of each leg. It is an honor and a pleasure to race with you guys. I'm also  particular happy how civilized this thread is and how much information can be gained here.

So, keep on dishing it, guys.

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Hello,

Here are the rankings for 00:00UTC.  Four boats still out there, three still aground, two in the same place, one in a different place.  I will not report again until all have finished or the leg is closed.

I have completed the data for the top 20 boats - closest is Malamute and Grimilin at 3 secs difference, although many boats are less than a minute apart.

I'm already starting to look at options up the Minch for Leg 10.

Rank Group SA Name Boat Name DTF Days Hours Minutes Seconds Overall Finish Distance Sailed Percentile Overall
1 A rolltak Awkward Turtle   7 20 58 51 32 2937 0.07%
2 C Will Lee Lorraine III   7 21 4 41 60 2946.2 0.14%
3 B Gufmiester Gufmiester   7 21 5 47 65 2948.2 0.15%
4 A Blue Mountain YC  shockwave11   7 21 10 37 85 2952.9 0.19%
5 A Your Mom Your Mom SA   7 21 25 0 180 2950.7 0.41%
6 B Wet Hog WetHog-SA   7 21 25 6 183 2978.2 0.42%
7 B Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey   7 21 26 34 201 2948.6 0.46%
8 C Sapphire Girl Sapphire Girl   7 21 26 53 206 2944.7 0.47%
9 A Rainbow Spirit Rainbow Spirit II   7 21 30 21 274 2939.4 0.63%
10 B Tunnel Rat Mongrel   7 21 31 16 282 2979.9 0.64%
11 C Iluvitar Iluvitar   7 21 32 6 293 2965.5 0.67%
12 B Breitling Breitling_SA   7 21 32 28 303 2933.3 0.69%
13 A   JeSa   7 21 38 9 417 2936.5 0.95%
14 A Milli Bitzquart   7 21 38 50 432 2964.4 0.99%
15 A Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA   7 21 39 40 449 2946.5 1.02%
16 B 33jesus jesus   7 21 43 34 534 2965.9 1.22%
17 A jacksparrow Malamute   7 21 45 29 572 2950.2 1.30%
18 B 4010 grimlin   7 21 45 32 573 2948.5 1.31%
19 B Marty6 Cambodunum   7 21 51 52 677 2942.5 1.54%
20 B Mike G MikeVentura   7 21 53 59 718 2922.5 1.64%
21 C Mr. Fixit Yodaman   7 21 57 55 784 2943.8 1.79%
22 B Shorthanded Shorty   7 22 1 10 828 2971.8 1.89%
23 C prettyhatemachine prettyhatemachine   7 22 5 6 891 2939.1 2.03%
24 C KMan2K7 KMan2K7           958   2.19%
25 C kea.nn kea.nn SA   7 22 13 13 994 2965.5 2.27%
26 B stufishing Stufishing_SA   7 22 26 48 1182 2937.7 2.70%
27 B sailon2 jahmbo SA   7 22 32 23 1253 2951.2 2.86%
28 A frostbit spadadua   7 22 34 33 1284 3086.9 2.93%
29 A Magool Magool   7 22 35 42 1300 2969.6 2.97%
30 C Golden Rose Golden Rose SA           1325   3.02%
31 A Sambaopreis Sambaopreis   7 22 46 44 1458 2966.9 3.33%
32 A From The Rail A-Squared   7 22 48 26 1476 2933 3.37%
33 A mred mistered           1650   3.76%
34 C gary  hschutz           1676   3.82%
35 A daan62 hutspot77   7 23 8 12 1744 2948.6 3.98%
36 A stanlutz USA644RAVEN_SA           1840   4.20%
37 A I Sail The Black Boat Thistle1678   7 23 25 9 1946 2986.6 4.44%
38 B GrandbendOnt GrandbendOnt   7 23 43 4 2170 2963.2 4.95%
39 C Ozzy Ozzy85           2409   5.50%
40 C Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA   8 0 13 32 2547 2901.2 5.81%
41 C Hike, Bitches HikeBitches   8 3 40 43 4459 2908.3 10.17%
42 C Patman Patman           4469   10.19%
43 A   rider 1982           6055   13.81%
44 C onedesignracing TeamSatisfaction           7883   17.98%
45 B N/A Walkaround           8946   20.41%
46 A Loon Localdog           11870   27.08%
47 C Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA           12454   28.41%
48 C Vin Divided Sky           16349   37.29%
49 B sailingk8 She Wolf           17238   39.32%
50 B Sandpipper Sandpipper   9 6 32 55 19087 3008.2 43.54%
51 A Peacefrog Team False Racing 7.8             0.00%
52 A Alpina (Columba) ColombaRacing 28.4             0.00%
53 B   cg_ 108.1             0.00%
54 B HKG1203 HKG1203 2469             0.00%
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On 5/29/2018 at 8:33 AM, JeSa-SA said:

I couldn't believe how far north you went to cross that ridge west of Ireland, and I thought that surely you were setting up to round Fastnet real close and head straight for the northern edge of the channel. 

That was the plan. Cant understand why I changed my mind !

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Thanks again to all the scorers, and also Hi to @sailingk8..congrats for finishing !! :wub:

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On 5/29/2018 at 8:52 PM, Marty6 said:

I'm still amazed how many sailor we have in the Top 100, 500, 1000 of each leg. It is an honor and a pleasure to race with you guys. I'm also  particular happy how civilized this thread is and how much information can be gained here.

So, keep on dishing it, guys.

+1,000,000

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 Hey I found something to do in the off-season, a real virtual boat. When I lose places I can use it as an excuse like you boys and girls out there getting wet. 

 

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3 hours ago, Gufmiester said:

Hey I found something to do in the off-season, a real virtual boat. When I lose places I can use it as an excuse like you boys and girls out there getting wet.

You can play with it in your bath.....unless you find something better to play with.  :wacko: Don't want to think about that!

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6 hours ago, Gufmiester said:

 Hey I found something to do in the off-season, a real virtual boat. When I lose places I can use it as an excuse like you boys and girls out there getting wet. 

The integrated wheels could certainly be helpful at times.

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8 hours ago, Gufmiester said:

 Hey I found something to do in the off-season, a real virtual boat. When I lose places I can use it as an excuse like you boys and girls out there getting wet. 

 

 

I bought it off of Amazon a month or 2 back, and built the monohull version.  It is pretty cool actually.  Fairly complicated for a Lego build.

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10 hours ago, Gufmiester said:

 Hey I found something to do in the off-season, a real virtual boat. When I lose places I can use it as an excuse like you boys and girls out there getting wet. 

 

Like it, ordered it :D Hope the wheels help me next time into Newport :)

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7 hours ago, Marty6 said:

Like it, ordered it :D Hope the wheels help me next time into Newport :)

I can’t wait for the geek insults, HB must be out sailing. I need wheels now, got as far as Hudson on the Hudson. 

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On 5/20/2018 at 4:07 PM, Your Mom said:

Clipper scores best 10 of 12.  For the reasons described above, most people will not have a worthwhile score in Category 5 Leg 2, and then will likely have a Category 5 throwout from Legs 4, 5, or 6, or possibly Category 4 Leg 3 (which had the bigger negative exponent).  No one is likely to be able to throw out any legs after 6, unless they do regrettably poorly.  The Category 4 460th that I just posted is better than my Leg 2 33rd place, as well as my Leg 4 234th, so it counts.

This is what i got from the VR Clipper Newsletter:

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Show all your talent and skill as a skipper on 13 races around the globe for one year! With eight "Wildcard" races, you only need five races to be ranked in the overall ranking of this premier event!

13 races around the world
8 "Wildcard" races
A VSR rank 4 race

Sounds a little different with 5 out of 12 than 10 of 12.

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43 minutes ago, Marty6 said:

This is what i got from the VR Clipper Newsletter:

Sounds a little different with 5 out of 12 than 10 of 12.

That's how VR rolls...  Inconsistent and confusing communication.  I submitted a support inquiry and a VR forum topic specifically about the discrepancy between what the newsletter says and what the actual ranking page says roughly 3-4 months ago.  They never responded with anything useful.  My assumption for now is that ranking page is right and the newsletter is wrong...  but who the hell knows.  I'll be pissed if they change the rankings to match the newsletter at the last minute, as I'd have skipped some legs if only 5 were going to count.  Particularly with several legs being Category 5...  If we're only going to count 5, then a crap finish in a Category 4 leg would still score better than a 10th in Category 5.

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Hey VR oldtimers 

As the Clipper and Volvo are every few years. Are there enough juicy series to keep interested inbetween like we do VOR? Dont mind the random one offs but would prefer to be in a big one from the start.

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Which ones float your boat?

Guf

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Guess the big one is going to be the Vendee Globe which is also going to last quite a long time. Otherwise there are unfortunately not too many longer multi-leg races. The Figaro could be interesting with 4 shorter legs.

Don't know about the usual list of Transatlantic races, they get quite boring over time.

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On 5/31/2018 at 2:18 PM, Your Mom said:

The integrated wheels could certainly be helpful at times.

Thank God for those wheels since it gloriously failed the sea trials :(

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On 6/2/2018 at 2:36 PM, Marty6 said:

Guess the big one is going to be the Vendee Globe which is also going to last quite a long time. Otherwise there are unfortunately not too many longer multi-leg races. The Figaro could be interesting with 4 shorter legs.

Don't know about the usual list of Transatlantic races, they get quite boring over time.

It helps when theres an actual prize at the end.

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On 6/2/2018 at 1:12 AM, Gufmiester said:

Hey VR oldtimers 

As the Clipper and Volvo are every few years. Are there enough juicy series to keep interested inbetween like we do VOR? Dont mind the random one offs but would prefer to be in a big one from the start.

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Which ones float your boat?

Guf

VENDEE    . /)

I just saw Windyty has 4 forecast models as a option. question for Mommy is what's on your screen?  wha t model is the game using. is zezo using the same one?

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Zezo and the game both use GFS.  I just use Zezo and the game interface.  Except on days like today when I was racing my real boat and remembered before racing to set waypoints to finish Normandy and to set a good starting course for Monaco, but totally forgot about Clipper and spent something like 5 hours sailing close to head to wind.  Blew that Clipper leg right at the start.  Totally.  Didn't do very well in my real races anyway.  Oh well.  It'll be ok.  I'm losing interest after having been addicted for ~3 years, and a lot of the top competitors have declared they're quitting after VOR and Clipper, so I may be done at that point to.  It stops being fun after a while.

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Hello,

The VR seems to be indicating that the start of Leg 10 will be at 14:00UTC.  The start of the actual race is at 15:00UTC (16:00 local time).  I thought that VR normally started at the same time as the actual race.

Am I correct in my timings, or am I out by the odd hour here or there......?

Thanks
TR

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I think the start times even differ by 2 hours which is also indicated by the countdown timer on VR and VOR for me.

Start in Cardiff is at 15:00 UTC, which is 17:00 CEST for me. The VR game indicates leg 10 start at 15:00 CEST (13:00 UTC).

I think we had different start times previously, like Melbourne i think, but those were cases where the start time of the real race was adjusted at short notice due to circumstances (e.g. tide, current). But it was not the norm.

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7 hours ago, Tunnel Rat said:

Hello,

The VR seems to be indicating that the start of Leg 10 will be at 14:00UTC.  The start of the actual race is at 15:00UTC (16:00 local time).  I thought that VR normally started at the same time as the actual race.

Am I correct in my timings, or am I out by the odd hour here or there......?

Thanks
TR

 

3 hours ago, Marty6 said:

I think the start times even differ by 2 hours which is also indicated by the countdown timer on VR and VOR for me.

Start in Cardiff is at 15:00 UTC, which is 17:00 CEST for me. The VR game indicates leg 10 start at 15:00 CEST (13:00 UTC).

I think we had different start times previously, like Melbourne i think, but those were cases where the start time of the real race was adjusted at short notice due to circumstances (e.g. tide, current). But it was not the norm.

 

I agree with Marty, looks like we go 2hrs before at 13Z, 15CEST. Real race 15Z, 17CEST

UK is UTC+1 for daylight saving right now, look like you may be factoring that in, I'd ignore it

The below were just shot before 1800 my time in Perth UTC+8

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Looks like VR is giving an accurate local time start for me, I guess its probably factored in my region settings, perhaps check yours.

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So as far as I can tell, we go 2 hrs early unless something changes.

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Thanks gents! A hard morning at work was obviously catching up with my faculties.

I shall be poised and ready for action on the start line at the correct time, or the nearest I can get to that.

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Another little programming nugget of VR surfaced on the Zezo forum: The client (PC, tablet ...) transmits commands to the VR server as e.g. "Command @ hh:mm Actions: HDG=xxx" using the actual time of the client. So if my PC clock runs 10 minutes ahead of the VR server clock i would basically transmit a future course change, sail change, ... to the server while i would think it happens now. E.g. the server clock is 12:00 UTC and my PCs would be 12:10 and i would make a course change it would happen 10 minutes later than i intended.

Lesson to learn: Keep the clock of devices used to play the game synchronized with an time server and periodically check if it runs ahead or not.

The more i learn about the way the game is programmed the more i have to shake my head in utter amazement.

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On 5/31/2018 at 2:13 AM, Gufmiester said:

 Hey I found something to do in the off-season, a real virtual boat. When I lose places I can use it as an excuse like you boys and girls out there getting wet. 

 

 

Got one!

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Crazy idea I know, but what would the legality be if you rounded the SW Ireland mark to starboard and came back south of England through the English Channel and up to the last mark and rounded that to starboard and sailed off to the finish?

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According to a map of the gates from Zezo forum it looks to me like this would not be allowed. At least that is how i would interpret the red lines.

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4 hours ago, Rainbow Spirit said:

Crazy idea I know, but what would the legality be if you rounded the SW Ireland mark to starboard and came back south of England through the English Channel and up to the last mark and rounded that to starboard and sailed off to the finish?

Do it. sounds awesome

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15 hours ago, Rainbow Spirit said:

So where are these red lines on the VR site?

That's been a frustrating hot topic lately.  VR has hidden gates.  Apparently all buoys are actually gates, and for those, it kinda makes sense for them to hide one end.  I mean...  the other end of the gate for Buoy 1 might be in Brazil, and showing that would be pointless and look weird.  It would make it clear that you can't sail all the way around North and South America to round Buoy 1, but that isn't do-able in the time limit (or remotely sensible) so it makes sense to hide that end of the gate.  But...  what makes no sense is why there are gates where both ends are hidden.  I think it's to make things visually appealing.  It may also be because they're worried that novice users might think that excessive shown buoys would be confusing...  Some new users feel they're obligated to round every mark close, so showing one on the NW shoulder of Ireland might cause them to think they're required to stay close to Ireland.  I don't know what the real rationale is, but that's what VR has been doing.

 

In the UltiMed race (which I won... :-) ), the visual route was insufficient.  It appeared as though you could actually cut Sardinia and Corsica completely while still abiding by the marks as they were shown.  But the white line went around those islands, and when people asked in the VR forums, the response they got was a cryptic indication that it's best to stay on the course advised by the white line.  Cvetan (who runs Zezo) then hunted through the VR cache to find both ends of every invisible gate and posted something in his forum showing all of the required geography.  It showed clearly that you had to go around Corsica and Sardinia, so we all sailed the proper course accordingly.  VR never gave a more clear answer than the advice to observe the white line.

 

In Mini en Mai (which I was in a cluster of 8 boats all contending to win until this debacle lost me a mile, but I still came back for 6th), the course rounds a buoy ~10 miles off the SW end of Ile d'Oleron, and then goes up through La Rochelle.  The white line suggested you had to leave Ile d'Oleron to starboard, beating into light wind the whole way.  Someone raised the question about whether or not you could leave Oleron to port, enabling reaching conditions in the light stuff and gaining a couple hours.  VR's response was unclear.  Cvetan checked the cache and confirmed that hidden gates required leaving Oleron to starboard.  At some point between then and when we got to that buoy, VR changed the hidden gates to allow users to go either way.  They didn't announce it (presumably because they did it because we hadn't reached the buoy yet and the gates were hidden anyway).  So everyone who reads the Zezo forums was suddenly going the wrong way, and I made the embarassing gaffe of "warning" several boats in the top 20 that they "couldn't" go the direction they were going.   Someone in the VR forums noticed the hidden gates had changed and posted it there.  I noticed that post, made a hard right turn, updated the Zezo forum, and apologized to the people I had incorrectly warned.  I'm pretty sure VR's attitude was that it was our own fault for meddling in things by hunting through the cache.  And I'd agree with them if they were making the course clear by making all marks visible or by publishing well-written sailing instructions for every race.  But since they don't, and since UltiMed demonstrated a need for independent analysis, that attitude is very frustrating.

Getting back to the point...  I love the creativity of the idea of the proposed route, but I believe Cvetan's analysis is correct and in this case I can't see them removing that hidden gate.  But...  if someone would like to use the circumstances to make a point about the problems associated with hidden gates, I can see three ways to go...

- Post something in the VR forums that clearly illustrates your planned route and asks if you can do that or not.  Make it clear that the visible buoys suggest you can, and that other races, including the current Clipper leg, show that following the white line is not always strictly mandatory.  But...  I'll bet you'll get no response, or that you'll get a cryptic one suggesting that you follow the white line.

- Send a support ticket to them to ask the question.  Again, if you get a response before the first buoy, it will probably be cryptically saying to stay with the white line, even though there are plenty of races (such as the current Clipper leg) where you don't have to follow it.

- Or, just do it.  And take a screenprint of your full route when you hit the finish circle ahead of whoever's on top of the leaderboard (not you, unless all of the above is wrong).  And post something in the VR forum, and submit a support ticket and make a big, loud, angry stink about it.  That might be fun for entertainment value.  My guess is that if you handle it right, they might give you a free full pack for your next event to make up for it, or something like that...  not sure...  If you make a public stink about it, they might not.  They tend to be more willing to work with you in cases where you get screwed if you're polite and subtle.

For the third option, it's only worth doing if you can do it well enough to actually finish ahead of the official leg leader.  If you finish behind the official leg winner, people won't much care.  Which probably means needing to buy the full pack.  Which probably makes it not worthwhile.

Whoops.  Wrote a long one there.  I'll be sailing in a big regatta Sunday through Thursday, so I'm not anticipating a good performance in this leg.  For those who like to follow...  I'd recommend following someone else this leg.

 

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Can you imagine how the race committee would get slaughtered in the clubhouse if they were as ambiguous as VR.

Remember our positions at the end are Provisional, sounds like; pending any protest. Seems like these guys need to get out of the IT bunker and back on the water....me included!

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5 hours ago, Gufmiester said:

Can you imagine how the race committee would get slaughtered in the clubhouse if they were as ambiguous as VR.

Remember our positions at the end are Provisional, sounds like; pending any protest. Seems like these guys need to get out of the IT bunker and back on the water....me included!

The main problem is that none of the employees play the game as seriously as most of the competitive users.  They might not play at all.  I'm not sure.  I mean...  it would actually be a problem if VR employees were posting top-100 finishes, so they shouldn't.  But it means that they have no sensitivity at all toward the time, energy, emotion, and money the users invest, so they have no appreciation for how aggravating it really is when thing go wrong.  I think they should all be racing invisible unranked boats and they should have internal competitions amongst themselves to win a day off work or whatever.  Then they'd really understand the user experience and behave accordingly.  Although then they'd lose productivity by being addicted to playing the game they should be developing, so....  c'est la vie.

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I sent VR the question about the route I suggested and here is their answer:

It is important to keep in mind that the route you need to follow is represented by a white line on the map.

This line begins at the start of the race and connects to the finish line.

This plot is for reference only, it is not linked to any calculation. It represents the right course to follow, observing all course marks by passing on the right side of the, but not necessarily the best trajectory.

So there you are, vague to say the least, I still think my course would be legit, but as the forward wind forecasts have changed a lot, I very much doubt it would be faster than going outside Ireland and west of Scotland. So I guess I'll be one of the sheep and follow that damn line (somewhat)

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On 6/7/2018 at 6:57 PM, Marty6 said:

According to a map of the gates from Zezo forum it looks to me like this would not be allowed. At least that is how i would interpret the red lines.

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Hmmmm.....   The course is suddenly changed to Ronaldsay to startboard, rather than Muckle Flugga. That seems to have happened since Marty6's post above.

 

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On 6/5/2018 at 1:32 PM, Marty6 said:

Another little programming nugget of VR surfaced on the Zezo forum: The client (PC, tablet ...) transmits commands to the VR server as e.g. "Command @ hh:mm Actions: HDG=xxx" using the actual time of the client. So if my PC clock runs 10 minutes ahead of the VR server clock i would basically transmit a future course change, sail change, ... to the server while i would think it happens now. E.g. the server clock is 12:00 UTC and my PCs would be 12:10 and i would make a course change it would happen 10 minutes later than i intended.

Lesson to learn: Keep the clock of devices used to play the game synchronized with an time server and periodically check if it runs ahead or not.

The more i learn about the way the game is programmed the more i have to shake my head in utter amazement.

Awesome! So if I want to correct the course I set 1 hour ago, I just rewind my PC clock 1 hour and set the heading I should have set back then? lol :p

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Quick question: for those of you who are playing on a phone, how do you steer with any kind of precision on the compass? Like, up/down one degree?

I have two left thumbs, and every time I've tried to steer that thing in the past, it's gone wild and taken multiple tries to get close to what I was trying to do (with the additional pressure of trying to make it right before the next one-minute server command). The webGL problem has gone from bad to worse for me on the PC and I can't get into the game anymore that way. I might give a shot to doing the next VOR leg on the phone entirely, but not if every maneuver is that painful!

Thanks :)

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The best way I have tried on a phone is to sit your finger on the steering compass and roll it from side to side.

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34 minutes ago, Rainbow Spirit said:

The best way I have tried on a phone is to sit your finger on the steering compass and roll it from side to side.

Thanks for the tip! I find it pretty difficult though, a small wiggle and you're off by 10 degrees!

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10 minutes ago, JeSa-SA said:

Thanks for the tip! I find it pretty difficult though, a small wiggle and you're off by 10 degrees!

Actually - I just found out you can simply 'click' (lightly tap) on the left side or right side of the arrows on the compass, and it moves by 1 degree! I don't know why I insisted on keeping the finger pressed on the steering before. Problem solved!!

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It's a 1am start for me, so I'll just set the boat at 141 degrees TWA, and take back control 5 hours later, around 6am. Good luck everyone.

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18 hours ago, JeSa-SA said:

Awesome! So if I want to correct the course I set 1 hour ago, I just rewind my PC clock 1 hour and set the heading I should have set back then? lol :p

Yeah, the VR time machine would be nice ;) But as with most things VR it only works in one direction :D :D

I haven't actually tried this but maybe i will get a second boat and try it someday. It would be kind of interesting to see how the User Interface behaves on a device with a not-synchronized clock running in the future, for example 10 minutes forward: You change you're heading in the UI, the UI displays the new heading and once it gets data from the server it should reverse back to the old heading. Then the boat moves ahead for 10 minutes on the old heading and suddenly changes to the new heading without interaction from the user. At least that's how i understood it technically and how i would expect it to happen in the UI.

Similar to rounding of buoys with manual steering where the boats suddenly jumps back to a slightly different position because the UI displayed already something which the server calculated differently.

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On 6/9/2018 at 9:55 AM, Tunnel Rat said:

Hmmmm.....   The course is suddenly changed to Ronaldsay to startboard, rather than Muckle Flugga. That seems to have happened since Marty6's post above.

 

Looking a the latest history in that department it wouldn't surprise me to see some changes mid-race.

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2 hours ago, Rainbow Spirit said:

It's a 1am start for me, so I'll just set the boat at 141 degrees TWA, and take back control 5 hours later, around 6am. Good luck everyone.

Rainbow,

Further to my PM to you. Check the start time.

See posts 3632. 33, 34 and 35 above.

Good luck

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VR site showing a 1am start for me in Sydney, ie 3h 10m from now. Anyway I've set a fixed course, not TWA. That way I won't be run aground on Wales...

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13 hours ago, JeSa-SA said:

Actually - I just found out you can simply 'click' (lightly tap) on the left side or right side of the arrows on the compass, and it moves by 1 degree! I don't know why I insisted on keeping the finger pressed on the steering before. Problem solved!!

Yes tapings best, however if youre full pack on autosail near sail change angle I sometimes disable it to avoid penalty incase I roll too far one way and it gets validated.

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2 hours ago, DtM said:

Rainbow,

Further to my PM to you. Check the start time.

See posts 3632. 33, 34 and 35 above.

Good luck

The start times for both real regatta and VR are in the meantime the same. I didn't notice when VR changed it.

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Good morning Girls and Boys.

Here are the first set of rankings.  All rather spurious until we round Mizzen Head, although the mark on the game seems offshore, while Mizzen head is on the coast line, but that is the least of our worries.....

Place Group SA Name Boat Name Dist to Leader
1 C   KMan2K7 1193.18
2 A,B Gufmiester Gufmiester 0.31
3 A Milli Bitzquart 0.45
4 A Breitling Breitling_SA 0.48
5 B   JeSa 0.53
6 B jacksparrow Malamute 0.57
7 B stufishing Stufishing_SA 0.65
8 A Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 0.74
9 A,B rolltak Awkward Turtle 0.87
10 A Sambaopreis Sambaopreis 1.03
11 A Your Mom Your Mom SA 1.11
12 B kea.nn kea.nn SA 1.11
13 A Rainbow Spirit Rainbow Spirit II 1.12
14 B frostbit spadadua 1.23
15 A Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA 1.25
16 A prettyhatemachine prettyhatemachine 1.28
17 A daan62 hutspot77 1.31
18 B Iluvitar Iluvitar 1.4
19 A Blue Mountain YC  shockwave11 1.46
20 A Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 1.64
21 B Mr. Fixit Yodaman 2.03
22 A Marty6 Cambodunum 2.16
23 A Tunnel Rat Mongrel 2.22
24 A Mike G MikeVentura 3.06
25 A Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey 3.4
26 A Wet Hog WetHog-SA 3.53
27 B   cg_ 4.31
28 B stanlutz USA644RAVEN_SA 4.81
29 A Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA 5.68
30 B Rimike rider1982 5.76
31 B Alpina (Columba) ColombaRacing 6.85
32 A Ozzy Ozzy85 7.32
33 B Magool Magool 7.37
34 B gary  hschutz 10.4
35 A HKG1203 HKG1203 10.8
36 A I Sail The Black Boat Thistle1678 15.8
37 A From The Rail A-Squared 16.4
38 B GrandbendOnt GrandbendOnt 17.9
39     razcaillou 31.8
40 B N/A Walkaround 40.9
41 A Golden Rose Golden Rose SA DNS
42 B sailon2 jahmbo SA DNS
43 B EquusAsinusDomesticus ON9270 DNS
44 B wpbeardsley wpbeardsley DNS
45 B hmsmweasel Stay Thirsty M 43 DNS
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Full standings.  Good luck to everyone.  Need to keep a closer eye on things since we aren't in the open water. Plenty of grounding opportunities.

Rank Group SA Name Boat Name DTL
1 C KMan2K7 KMan2K7 1193.2
2 B Gufmiester Gufmiester 0.31
3 A Milli Bitzquart 0.45
4 A Breitling Breitling_SA 0.48
5 C JeSa-SA JeSa 0.53
6 B jacksparrow Malamute 0.57
7 C 33jesus jesus 0.60
8 B stufishing Stufishing_SA 0.65
9 C Sapphire Girl Sapphire Girl 0.70
10 C 4010 grimlin 0.73
11 A Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 0.74
12 C rolltak Awkward Turtle 0.87
13 C Will Lee Lorraine III 0.89
14 C Sambaopreis Sambaopreis 1.03
15 A Your Mom Your Mom SA 1.11
16 B kea.nn kea.nn SA 1.11
17 A Rainbow Spirit Rainbow Spirit II 1.12
18 B frostbit spadadua 1.23
19 A Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA 1.25
20 A prettyhatemachine prettyhatemachine 1.28
21 A daan62 hutspot77 1.31
22 B Iluvitar Iluvitar 1.40
23 A Blue Mountain YC  shockwave11 1.46
24 C Vin Divided Sky 1.55
25 A Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 1.64
26 C Shorthanded Shorty 1.87
27 B Mr. Fixit Yodaman 2.03
28 A Marty6 Cambodunum 2.16
29 A Tunnel Rat Mongrel 2.22
30 C mred mistered 2.22
31 A Mike G MikeVentura 3.06
32 A Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey 3.40
33 A Wet Hog WetHog-SA 3.53
34 B   cg_ 4.31
35 B stanlutz USA644RAVEN_SA 4.81
36 A Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA 5.68
37 B Rimike rider1982 5.76
38 B Alpina (Columba) ColombaRacing 6.85
39 A Ozzy Ozzy85 7.32
40 B Magool Magool 7.37
41 C Patman Patman 9.98
42 B gary  hschutz 10.4
43 A HKG1203 HKG1203 10.8
44 A I Sail The Black Boat Thistle1678 15.8
45 A From The Rail A-Squared 16.4
46 C Sandpipper Sandpipper 16.6
47 B GrandbendOnt GrandbendOnt 17.9
48 C razcaillou razcaillou 31.8
49 B N/A Walkaround 40.9
50 C sailingk8 She Wolf 41.3
51 A Golden Rose Golden Rose SA DNS
52 B sailon2 jahmbo SA DNS
53 B EquusAsinusDomesticus ON9270 DNS
54 B hmsmweasel Stay Thirsty M 43 DNS
55 C onedesignracing TeamSatisfaction DNS
56 C Peacefrog Team False Racing DNS
57 C Loon Localdog DNS
58 C wpbeardsley wpbeardsley DNS
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hello one and all again! and once more returning to a mistake :wacko:.  Checked VR yesterday to the disastrous news that TR has overtaken me on the HK rankings. Hopefully over the next couple of days i can reel him back in ;)

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1 hour ago, HKG1203 said:

hello one and all again! and once more returning to a mistake :wacko:.  Checked VR yesterday to the disastrous news that TR has overtaken me on the HK rankings. Hopefully over the next couple of days i can reel him back in ;)

Is that why you have very kindly presented me with an 8 mile lead? :D

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Woo-hoo! Atop the SA leaderboard. I will bask in my brief moment of glory.

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