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The Australian senate has a high percentage of totally useless and pointless fuckwits.

Lionknobhelmet and Hansen-Young are both wastes of space and money. The worst is Pauline Hanson. This ignorant tart has made a very good living for years from her incoherent whining about Asians, then about Muslims. 

 

I think I'm going to run for a Senate seat as an independent. My platform will be legal marijuana, 100% tax exemptions for boat-related purchases, cheaper beer and smokes, and more paid time off for everybody. How hard can it be?

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14 minutes ago, Happy said:

The Australian senate has a high percentage of totally useless and pointless fuckwits.

Lionknobhelmet and Hansen-Young are both wastes of space and money. The worst is Pauline Hanson. This ignorant tart has made a very good living for years from her incoherent whining about Asians, then about Muslims. 

 

I think I'm going to run for a Senate seat as an independent. My platform will be legal marijuana, 100% tax exemptions for boat-related purchases, cheaper beer and smokes, and more paid time off for everybody. How hard can it be?

I'd vote for you provided I could find a PO Box site in your State that would allow me to declare it as my home address....

FKT

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9 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

No on heard or recorded her saying anything offensive..That's what I mean..people like him manufacture offence where no one else sees it..or apparently hears it  quite deliberately to undermine women's protests. 

He seems to be reveling in holding the standard for the last battle of those pussy grabbing, abusive  old cunts.

And this was said in a debate prompted by a young girls rape and murder..unbefuckingleavable.

Well, that's easy to explain - the guy's a self-declared "libertarian". Take a look at how self-declared libertarians conduct themselves here for instance.

Manufacturing offence, defending their right to offend, and generally being twats about every sensitive subject is what they do. 

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35 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

So explain to me why men have to fix anything. You wouldn't be happy if I said 'women have to fix <something>'. Stop painting with such a broad brush and just *maybe* there'd be less push-back.

Think of that tiny subset of men who rape/murder as predators in the environment. You know they're there, you know there aren't a lot of them, your chances of running across one is pretty minimal. So what do you do?

And just what are the vast majority of men supposed to do? Most of us would already have these predators locked up for life without parole, or in the case of this latest man where there is no doubt that he actually did it, executed.

It's like going swimming in the NT around Katherine. You probably won't get eaten. BUT - they just pulled a 4.7m crocodile out of there..... and it's off to a farm somewhere where it doesn't get the chance to eat people.

FKT

You misunderstand.

When we say men must fix this, we mean that in the context of the whole domestic violence/disrespect cultural thing.

If men want to see a change in the mindset of this tiny minority of murderers but not so tiny minority of wife beaters and rapists, men have to not only stop the posting of misogynistic photos to disrespect political figures(LB) , they have to stop their sons from inheriting the disease.

They actually have to actively condemn misogynistic practices..like slut shaming politicians. 

It's often in the context where women are told that to stay safe THEY must take extraordinary precautions,like only walk with friends, take a cab, don't walk, don't wear scarves, dont jog in the park or along the beach in the early hours, dont wear head sets..

The old "they're asking for trouble" adage is not very far from many peoples minds (male and female)..stamp it out. 

 

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2 hours ago, LB 15 said:

'We' Meli? The fact is that is exactly what many of the Feminist Nazi left are claiming. Apparently as soon as the cast of 'the project' have a cry on air about something it becomes real.

What's a Feminist Nazi ?

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1 minute ago, Shortforbob said:

You misunderstand.

When we say men must fix this, we mean that in the context of the whole domestic violence/disrespect cultural thing.

If men want to see a change in the mindset of this tiny minority of murderers but not so tiny minority of wife beaters and rapists, men have to not only stop the posting of misogynistic photos to disrespect political figures(LB) , they have to stop their sons from inheriting the disease.

They actually have to actively condemn misogynistic practices..like slut shaming politicians. 

It's often in the context where women are told that to stay safe THEY must take extraordinary precautions,like only walk with friends, take a cab, don't walk, don't wear scarves, dont jog in the park or along the beach in the early hours, dont wear head sets..

The old "they're asking for trouble" adage is not very far from many peoples minds (male and female)..stamp it out. 

 

So - you'd go swimming in the NT rivers, knowing there are crocodiles, then? And expect the crocodile to be enlightened enough not to attack you?

I think we're talking past each other - you don't seem to grasp that there are a very small subset of males who are *predators*. It's nothing to to with respect for women, culture or anything else. Nothing can cure them and no amount of re-education can change them. They are what they are. If you put yourself in harm's way, you will get hurt.

I completely agree with you about domestic violence. Quite a bit of that is education and entitlement on a false premise that women are inferior. I think that sort of crap needs to be stamped on, and hard.

Men who beat up or kill women who want to terminate a relationship for whatever reason need to be restrained.  Of course how you achieve this while making sure it's not subject to false claim abuse and not locking up people for thought crimes is where it all gets difficult.....

FKT

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13 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

 

The old "they're asking for trouble" adage is not very far from many peoples minds (male and female)..stamp it out. 

 

The one thing far from your mind is reality. So now all men think women should not be able to wear anything they want? You should be on the project. Wait. it only goes for an hour...

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34 minutes ago, random said:

She is not my hero.

You have repeatedly attacked her for her physical appearance. 

Real men don't do that.

To be fair I attack her for her stupidity, her hypocrisy, her dishonesty and her attention whoreing just as much.

I know I am not a real man. I don't smoke drum.

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6 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

To be fair I attack her for her stupidity, her hypocrisy, her dishonesty and her attention whoreing just as much.

Not to mention being a persistent and long-term rorter of her expenses.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/sarah-hansonyoung-again-trips-up-on-expenses-payments/news-story/47bbb3ca991f5a1320e6364aa85e42e4?nk=a18ccc6330cca96b4a098be0bbcaa02a-1531269040

FKT

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4 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

So - you'd go swimming in the NT rivers, knowing there are crocodiles, then? And expect the crocodile to be enlightened enough not to attack you?

I think even wife beaters rapists and murderer have a slightly higher IQ than lizards, the ability to make moral choices is what differentiates humans..and much as one would like to deny, these men are human..

Of course, until the culture of disrespect is changed..women have to take extra care..but men have to start taking a serious role in changing that culture..men must fix this

I think we're talking past each other - you don't seem to grasp that there are a very small subset of males who are *predators*. It's nothing to to with respect for women, culture or anything else. Nothing can cure them and no amount of re-education can change them. They are what they are. If you put yourself in harm's way, you will get hurt.

THIS, no, the subset of murderers is small, the subset of rapists is larger and the subset of wife beaters is not small at all..and the subset of Predators is actually quite large*.it's THIS perception that has to be changed,,and men have to do the changing..hey..women who try get called Feminazis.

I completely agree with you about domestic violence. Quite a bit of that is education and entitlement on a false premise that women are inferior. I think that sort of crap needs to be stamped on, and hard.

Thank you

Men who beat up or kill women who want to terminate a relationship for whatever reason need to be restrained.  Of course how you achieve this while making sure it's not subject to false claim abuse and not locking up people for thought crimes is where it all gets difficult.....

FKT

*A sexual predator is a person seen as obtaining or trying to obtain sexual contact with another person in a metaphorically "predatory" or abusive manner. Analogous to how a predator hunts down its prey, so the sexual predator is thought to "hunt" for his or her sex partners...this applies to sexual harrassers, people who take advantage of unequal relationships, etc

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14 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

To be fair I attack her for her stupidity, her hypocrisy, her dishonesty and her attention whoreing just as much.

I know I am not a real man. I don't smoke drum.

 

6 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

then attack her without posting Fat pics..no??

Now I know LB is just doing his wind up thingy..but here's an opportunity for FKT to smack him down..is FKT going to do it? No...why not? because men don't do that in public.

Now don't get all.."meli's on her high horse"

Meli isn't. Meli's far to old and lazy to get too wound up about this.

 

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1 minute ago, Shortforbob said:

*A sexual predator is a person seen as obtaining or trying to obtain sexual contact with another person in a metaphorically "predatory" or abusive manner. Analogous to how a predator hunts down its prey, so the sexual predator is thought to "hunt" for his or her sex partners...this applies to sexual harrassers, people who take advantage of unequal relationships, etc

Since it clearly isn't a busy day at the library Meli, i will ask you this- What is your policy on spotting potential sexual predators among the shelves and keeping them out? All men are banned presumably whether they are wearing overcoats or not?

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Just now, Shortforbob said:

 

 Meli's far to old and lazy to get too wound up about this.

 

Thank god for Bex!

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

Since it clearly isn't a busy day at the library Meli, i will ask you this- What is your policy on spotting potential sexual predators among the shelves and keeping them out? All men are banned presumably whether they are wearing overcoats or not?

Yeah, we only let the ones wearing pink underslips in.

Had a cold for a week.which is why I'm here annoying you lot. :)

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1 hour ago, random said:

She is not my hero.

You have repeatedly attacked her for her physical appearance. 

Real men don't do that.

I was going to make a quip linking this thread to tonight’s SOO game, that LB like the Queensland side is often playing the man and not the ball but realised NSW are just as bad. 

I would have to agree that fat shaming is no better than slut shaming. Neither have no place in 2019. 

 

 

 

 

 

Go Blues

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12 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Now I know LB is just doing his wind up thingy..but here's an opportunity for FKT to smack him down..is FKT going to do it? No...why not? because men don't do that in public.

No, it's because my 'give-a-damn' is broken ATM.... Sarah specialises in faux outrage and other bullshit. I could care less what LB says about her on an obscure sub-forum on an obscure Web site on the other side of the world. He's probably just re-posting a picture she posted in the first place, who knows or cares.

FKT

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23 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

*A sexual predator is a person seen as obtaining or trying to obtain sexual contact with another person in a metaphorically "predatory" or abusive manner. Analogous to how a predator hunts down its prey, so the sexual predator is thought to "hunt" for his or her sex partners...this applies to sexual harrassers, people who take advantage of unequal relationships, etc

I think that definition of 'sexual predator' is very broad. A lot of those types may well be trainable.

The hard-core sub group of predators are not. You can call them sociopaths or any other name you want but they are dangerous hunters fixated on females. The chance of encountering one isn't high, but the consequence is severe. These types are not susceptible to being socialised, re-trained or whatever else you want to try. When caught they need to be kept away from others.

You may believe that all humans are basically decent and with proper socialisation (and plenty of singing Kumbaya) there will be no more sexualised violence. I don't. I think the gene pool needs a bit more culling.

Got another useless meeting to attend with a bunch of IT clowns shortly so will have to leave this. Who knows, they might make a decision on something I already told them how to do so I can actually implement the stuff I'm told is needed. I won't hold my breath - it reminds me why I'm mostly retired. The only upside is it's going to cost them $3/minute for wasting my time..... the downside is, I don't need the money enough to tolerate much of this on a lovely sunny day when I could be out on the harbour in my dinghy.

FKT

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Hmm, I've been suspecting for some time now that most It developers are doing make work..everything they seem to touch these days

1)wasn't broken in the first place

2) Doesn't work after they've "fixed it"

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52 minutes ago, dreadom said:

I was going to make a quip linking this thread to tonight’s SOO game, that LB like the Queensland side is often playing the man and not the ball but realised NSW are just as bad. 

I would have to agree that fat shaming is no better than slut shaming. Neither have no place in 2019. 

 

 

 

 

 

Go Blues

I don't give a fuck when someone fat shames me. I won't stand for being slut shamed...

 

 

 

 

 

 

QUEENSLANDER!

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Dumb and Dumber...

 

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10 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

 

maybe if we could have some actual verification that she said all men are rapists rather than hearsay? 

Allegedly?

 

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7 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Dumb and Dumber...

 

Do you actually have any bones to pick with what SHY (heh) is saying to Hansen?

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1 minute ago, Shortforbob said:

maybe if we could have some actual verification that she said all men are rapists rather than hearsay? 

Allegedly?

 

Guess what... no one gives a fuck whether you believe she said it or not. You think the same way so why would you care if she simply said what all the sisterhood believe to be true?

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2 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Do you actually have any bones to pick with what SHY (heh) is saying to Hansen?

I don't give a fuck what either of those cunts have to say. I just enjoyed watching them argue.

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Fishing is good today as well.

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

Guess what... no one gives a fuck whether you believe she said it or not. You think the same way so why would you care if she simply said what all the sisterhood believe to be true?

I think I won that round.

Seriously LB, I get that you can't stand Sarah HY..or Pauline H, or Julia Gillard or whats her name from Tassie..

things they have in common

(1)They are all a bit extreme, left or right...fair enough

(2) they are all women..not fair enough.

I've seen you make negative comments about other politicians.."shortarse" etc  hell we all do.

But not with the same viciousness. Maybe you should reflect a bit.

You have sons.

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4 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

I think I won that round.

Seriously LB, I get that you can't stand Sarah HY..or Pauline H, or Julia Gillard or whats her name from Tassie..

things they have in common

(1)They are all a bit extreme, left or right...fair enough

(2) they are all women..not fair enough.

I've seen you make negative comments about other politicians.."shortarse" etc  hell we all do.

But not with the same viciousness. Maybe you should reflect a bit.

You have sons.

Yep there you go. One can only hate on men or you are a misogynist. You might also note Meli that I am in fact far more tolerating of the shit you post than I would be if it was a man spewing such shit. It is not because you are a women that i go lightly. It is because you are from Melbourne.

 

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7 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Yep there you go. One can only hate on men or you are a misogynist. You might also note Meli that I am in fact far more tolerating of the shit you post than I would be if it was a man spewing such shit. It is not because you are a women that i go lightly. It is because you are from Melbourne.

And thus your cultural and political superior..I know

hell everyone knows you don't tangle with Victorians in general, Australia's cultural and Political elite:D

And the only reason that I go easy on you is because its so hum drum I cant be bothered .

:duel:

 

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3 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

And the only reason that I go easy on you is because its so hum drum I cant be bothered .

:duel:

 

Ok hows this.  I regularly describe Shorten as a rapeing little cunt, Krudd as the worst piece of shit to ever take office and I have said that Iranian traitor Sam Dastyari should be sodomized by his family's camels. Is that balanced enough for you?

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

Ok hows this.  I regularly describe Shorten as a rapeing little cunt, Krudd as the worst piece of shit to ever take office and I have said that Iranian traitor Sam Dastyari should be sodomized by his family's camels. Is that balanced enough for you?

OK.

 

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6 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Hmm, I've been suspecting for some time now that most It developers are doing make work..everything they seem to touch these days

1)wasn't broken in the first place

2) Doesn't work after they've "fixed it"

Well, duh. Got to pay for the new boat somehow, you know.

True (short form) story. 25 years ago my first wife came home bitching about how obstructive the IT department were, how they wouldn't do what she needed, kept telling her what she had to have *and* insisted they get staff trained in new skills at her expense.

I looked at the user requirements, said that it was a piece of piss & I could write a minimal working system in 6 weeks part-time (I'd done something similar for a biggish animal genetics system). So she told that to her IT department, who laughed & told her to go do it then.

So - I did, it worked, I kept ownership of the IP and gave them an unlimited user fully transferable source code licence and copy of all the source code so they wouldn't have to come to me for maintenance & enhancements.

The IT department was not pleased. 15 years later after my doing free maintenance & enhancements all that time they offered me a nice maintenance contract when they thought they might finally have to do it themselves. Been laughing about it ever since, as I would have kept right on supporting it for free.

FKT

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Ha and of course you'll pass the arcane knowledge on to your eldest born son.

:D

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4 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Ha and of course you'll pass the arcane knowledge on to your eldest born son.

:D

They've *still* got all the source code! There's a source code repository that keeps track of every change to every file. I update it after each code release. It's dangerous only having one person in control of important software so I make sure that doesn't happen.

In fact I'm taking steps to widen the support base to a company owned by one of my ex-staff up in Brisbane. I'm about to hit 65, another 5 years of it will do me. The intellectual side is good and I still enjoy it but I've some sailing to do. I like designing & building systems, long-term maintenance is a PITA as far as I'm concerned and I'd rather not do it at all.

My son is far too deep into IT security systems to bother being a mere software designer. I have to deal with people like him telling me I can't do stuff because policy XYZ says so. That's when it's time to double the rate or go sailing.

I'm just hoping the tide is in when I visit Brisbane so I can see something other than the mudflats of Moreton Bay. I went to LB's stamping ground at Manly last time but the tide was out.

FKT

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3 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

They've *still* got all the source code! There's a source code repository that keeps track of every change to every file. I update it after each code release. It's dangerous only having one person in control of important software so I make sure that doesn't happen.

In fact I'm taking steps to widen the support base to a company owned by one of my ex-staff up in Brisbane. I'm about to hit 65, another 5 years of it will do me. The intellectual side is good and I still enjoy it but I've some sailing to do. I like designing & building systems, long-term maintenance is a PITA as far as I'm concerned and I'd rather not do it at all.

My son is far too deep into IT security systems to bother being a mere software designer. I have to deal with people like him telling me I can't do stuff because policy XYZ says so. That's when it's time to double the rate or go sailing.

I'm just hoping the tide is in when I visit Brisbane so I can see something other than the mudflats of Moreton Bay. I went to LB's stamping ground at Manly last time but the tide was out.

FKT

Yeah, I was in Brissy a month ago..cold as a witches tit ..in the rooftop pool..wouldn't live there for quids.

BIL recons it's gone to the dogs...wants to move to melb..near me..Arrrgh!

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1 minute ago, Shortforbob said:

Yeah, I was in Brissy a month ago..cold as a witches tit ..in the rooftop pool..wouldn't live there for quids.

It's OK in September & October. Uninhabitable by normal human beings in summer, same as Sydney. Only 3 areas of Australia habitable year-round IMO - the SW corner of WA, the South coast/Gippsland region of NSW/Victoria and Tasmania.

And I have a few doubts about the winter in Tasmania.....

FKT

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18 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Only 3 areas of Australia habitable year-round IMO - the SW corner South Coast of WA, the South coast/Gippsland region of NSW/Victoria and Tasmania.

And I have a few doubts about the winter in Tasmania.....

FKT

FIFY :D

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Just now, albanyguy said:

FIFY :D

Yeah Albany to Esperance is pretty hard to beat. I think I could happily live in Albany.

If I ever get the time and get organised I'll be sailing over your way in a couple years I think. A year's shakedown on the new boat and then we'll see.

FKT

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1 hour ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

. I went to LB's stamping ground at Manly last time but the tide was out.

 

That's just global cooling. Let's have that beer next time.

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1 hour ago, Shortforbob said:

Yeah, I was in Brissy a month ago..cold as a witches tit ..in the rooftop pool..wouldn't live there for quids.

BIL recons it's gone to the dogs...wants to move to melb..near me..Arrrgh!

What were you doing up here? Tie dying workshop? Greens conference? Occ health and safety training to avoid paper cuts when handling books? Can I chip in for your mate bill's petrol?

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

That's just global cooling. Let's have that beer next time.

So it's all random's fault then. That explains a lot. Time to burn more coal and wood.

Yeah, should be up there late September I think.

FKT

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2 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

So it's all random's fault then. That explains a lot. Time to burn more coal and wood.

Yeah, should be up there late September I think.

FKT

Great let me know. Hey Randumb ya knob - up for a beer in September?

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12 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

What were you doing up here? Tie dying workshop? Greens conference? Occ health and safety training to avoid paper cuts when handling books? Can I chip in for your mate bill's petrol?

Unavoidable diversion.

Horrible...Hotel breakfast..$30. powdered scrambled in buffet, nasty beef suasages, overcooked tomato, tough mushrooms, usual boxed cerials, sara lee croissants (for world traveler)  boxed juice Pineapple Or Orange..I'd swear that was golden circle tinned fruit  even the fuckin coffee was luke warm and out of a push button machine..real coffee? $5 extra..$209 a night.

Not an Avocado or piece of fresh fruit or greek yoghert in sight..welcome to Australias gateway of the north!!

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Unavoidable diversion.

Horrible...Hotel breakfast..$30. powdered scrambled in buffet, nasty beef suasages, overcooked tomato, tough mushrooms, usual boxed cerials, sara lee croissants (for world traveler)  boxed juice Pineapple Or Orange..I'd swear that was golden circle tinned fruit  even the fuckin coffee was luke warm and out of a push button machine..real coffee? $5 extra..$209 a night.

Not an Avocado or piece of fresh fruit or greek yoghert in sight..welcome to Australias gateway of the north!!

 

 

Haha - I stay in a serviced apartment up the hill from Fortitude Valley that costs a lot less than that, walk down to the shops, fresh fruit, whatever I want, cheap. The hospital is about 5 minutes walk the other way. Pretty easy walk down to the CBD, bus ride back up the hill. I'm there often enough to have a Go Card, same as Myki (which I also have but the bastards won't recognise my NSW Senior's card so I can't game their system).

The river front and South Bank of Brisbane is pretty nice in spring. I often go down there after finishing work for the day. All on my travel expenses too.

FKT

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My BIL has a place in Hawthorne but he's renting until feb. he drove me round..Well the older bits where the "Queenslander"m houses still survive are quate naice but the rest just looks like suburbs to me.

Maybe 3 hours is not enough time to appreciate Brisbane's charms :D

 

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3 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

why wouldn't you:rolleyes:

 

Life's too short as it is to waste any of it on some bleeding heart emoting (probably) terrible poetry on the ABC.

FKT

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3 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Yeah Albany to Esperance is pretty hard to beat. I think I could happily live in Albany.

If I ever get the time and get organised I'll be sailing over your way in a couple years I think. A year's shakedown on the new boat and then we'll see.

FKT

I may be coming over to Tassie in October to check out the MTB trails around Derby and also Maydena near Hobart with my teenage sons.

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2 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Life's too short as it is to waste any of it on some bleeding heart emoting (probably) terrible poetry on the ABC.

FKT

It is actually a terrible poem..but does put the position re men and sexual violence very well

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Just now, albanyguy said:

I may be coming over to Tassie in October to check out the MTB trails around Derby and also Maydena near Hobart with my teenage sons.

Drop me a line closer to the time - I'm near Kettering south of Hobart.

FKT

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wapo's paywall cut in..if there;s any substance to it..it could simply be some primitive Pheromone thing the victim gives off and the rapist uses to select his victim by..Dunno.

So..indelicately as you put it.

Women are not designed to conceive when raped, rather possibly more attractive to rapists when ovulating.

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Just now, random said:

The science is not on your side.

The evidence is that violence can trigger ovulation, early.

OK..so what?

 

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2 minutes ago, random said:

It means that we are the same as other animals where strategies to reduce inbreeding are in the DNA.  Some cultures e.g. New Guinea depend on raiding and wife stealing.

It is why some species of birds can form a pair bond but only 30% of the off-spring are from the protecting father.  It means that regardless of what our social and legal systems are now, humans are what they are due to pregnancy from rape.  Right back to Genghis Khan and into the caves.

Ok whatever.

I assume you're looking for an outraged bite?

 

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28 minutes ago, random said:

Women are designed to conceive when raped.

Study: Rape victims have a higher pregnancy rates than other women

Looks like violence triggers ovulation.  Must be genetic evolution.

"Women are terrified of being raped, but somewhere in the back of the womb there is one rebellious nerve end that tingles with curiosity whenever the word is mentioned."

Hunter S thompson

 

14 minutes ago, random said:

The science is not on your side.

The evidence is that sexual violence from unknown men can trigger ovulation, early.

Was Hunter right?

 

13 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

OK..so what?

 

 

6 minutes ago, random said:

It means that we are the same as other animals where strategies to reduce inbreeding are in the DNA.  Some cultures e.g. New Guinea depend on raiding and wife stealing.

It is why some species of birds can form a pair bond but only 30% of the off-spring are from the protecting father.  It means that regardless of what our social and legal systems are now, humans are what they are due to pregnancy from rape.  Right back to Genghis Khan and into the caves.

"Women are terrified of being raped, but somewhere in the back of the womb there is one rebellious nerve end that tingles with curiosity whenever the word is mentioned."

Hunter S thompson

"The science is not on your side.

The evidence is that sexual violence from unknown men can trigger ovulation, early.

Was Hunter right?"

Hunter S Thompson was a drug addled rapist himself so I wouldn't pay much attention to his musings on the "they all want it really" theme while you're fantasizing.

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Well look who's stuck his chimp head over the parapet.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/tony-abbott-trump-s-right-allies-are-freeloading-off-us-defence-20180712-p4zqy0.html

 

In an address to the conservative Heritage Foundation think tank on Wednesday, Abbott praised Trump's approach on climate change, foreign policy and immigration - including his promise to build a wall on the Mexican border, which he said could mirror Australia's successful efforts to stop asylum seeker boats from reaching the country.

But Abbott said Trump's isolationist tendencies and the rise of China mean Australia must become more self-reliant and dramatically increase its military spending in case the country is attacked by a hostile neighbour.

Abbott's speech coincided with Trump's visit to Europe in which he has berated America's NATO allies for failing to spend enough on defence and accused Germany of being "captive" to Russia.

"If America spends three per cent plus of the world's biggest GDP on its own forces, and the rest of the western world scarcely two per cent, it's hard to dispute Trump's view that most of us have been keeping safe on the cheap," Abbott said.

 

"It's little wonder that he's tired of so-called allies who give sermons from the sidelines while America keeps them safe. The truth is that the rest of the world needs America more than America needs us."

Abbott said the Australian government will have to increase military spending above the current level of 2 per cent of gross domestic product, expand its Navy and Air Force, and be prepared to shoot down missiles from adversaries such as North Korea in coming years

Abbott said the Turnbull government should have followed Trump's lead by moving the Australian embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, conducting freedom-of-navigation exercises in the South China Sea and taking a more active military involvement in the Middle East.

 
 
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Play VidWhile Trump may be erratic and ill-disciplined at times, Abbott said he had "every chance" of being re-elected in 2020 and was in many ways preferable to his Democratic predecessor Barack Obama."President Obama spoke beautifully about American values but was always cautious and sometimes slow to stand up for them," Abbott said. "Under his watch, the rules-based order was already unravelling."Trump is much more honest about the limits of American po"For all the former president's high-mindedness on fringe issues like climate change, Trump's America is more robust than Obama's.

"It's certainly less apologetic and still willing to use force, so at least for those allies that don't shed their responsibilities Trump's America should remain a reliable partner - just don't expect too much."

Abbott said Trump had fulfilled his promises to cut taxes, withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal and scrap Obama's environmental regulations.

 

"For someone who a legion of critics say is a compulsive liar, he has been remarkably true to his word," Abbott said.

"He is not a bad dream from which America will wake up or a fool to be ridiculed.

"Unlike almost every other democratic leader, he doesn't try to placate critics; he knows it's more important to get things done than to be universally loved."

Abbott also referred to Trump's controversial election pledge to build a wall on the US-Mexico border. "It's bogged down in the Congress, but once it's there it will be the US version of Australia sending back the boats and will end up demonstrating that it's far from humane to let people take advantage of you," he said.

Abbott - who is fighting against the Turnbull government's plans to reduce carbon emissions through a National Energy Guarantee - said Trump's decision to pull out of the Paris climate change accord had not produced any "discernable environmental damage".

 

Abbott did criticise Mr Trump, especially for his faith that one-on-one meetings with leaders such as North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and Russian President Vladimir Putin can lead to peace.

Abbott spoke about Putin in far more hostile language than Trump has ever used, saying Russia had become a "predatory state" under his leadership.

Russian President Vladimir Putin will always have blood on his hands, Abbott said.

 
 

 

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10 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Ok whatever.

I assume you're looking for an outraged bite?

 

Even if true, so what. The rate of pregnancies carried to full term where the infant is not the genetic child of the purported father has run as high as 15%. Dunno what the recent figure is, haven't asked the genetic counsellors lately. DNA testing makes it a lot more risky these days but there's a long history of women having unprotected sex of some sort with other men.

This is as relevant and as useful as Random's anecdote......

FKT

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23 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

This is as relevant and as useful as Random's anecdote......

On this, we agree. What exactly is it you two are trying to say?

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Just now, Bent Sailor said:

On this, we agree. What exactly is it you two are trying to say?

WRT my last post, a bit more useless obfuscation of the thread, since it had gone downhill anyway, I spent all of yesterday with a bunch of medical scientists, geneticists and their ilk so I'm up on the inside goss - and I'm bored with programming.

Might be time to take the rest of the day off & go for a few ferry rides on the harbour.

FKT

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21 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

WRT my last post, a bit more useless obfuscation of the thread, since it had gone downhill anyway, I spent all of yesterday with a bunch of medical scientists, geneticists and their ilk so I'm up on the inside goss - and I'm bored with programming.

Gotcha and welcome to the club. Sometimes I find that doing too good a job on the code early on makes future projects boring. For example, this project is not much more than resubmitting the same code I used with the last three using different icons, different client data, and a tweak or two of the config file. I don't really want to give up the easy work and all; but there is a reason I have so much free time here.

 

21 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

 Might be time to take the rest of the day off & go for a few ferry rides on the harbour.

Was thinking of calling it a half (third?) day today and just doing something with the kids (school holidays). 

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55 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

On this, we agree. What exactly is it you two are trying to say?

im not saying anything.

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24 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Was thinking of calling it a half (third?) day today and just doing something with the kids (school holidays). 

Do it - they grow up fast. I have a hard time believing my youngest is 26 & planning to go off to Europe for a year after Christmas.

FKT

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1 minute ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Do it - they grow up fast. I have a hard time believing my youngest is 26 & planning to go off to Europe for a year after Christmas.

FKT

my boy's 21st tomorrow :( 

Where did that little bandit go?

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26 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Gotcha and welcome to the club. Sometimes I find that doing too good a job on the code early on makes future projects boring.

The thing I love about programming is, yesterday they pointed out something a bit odd. It was a bug that's been there since at least 2010 but nobody ever paid sufficient attention to notice (it's a trivial bug in fact). Now I have something interesting to track down. It won't take long but - it's something different.

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16 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

im not saying anything.

Wasn't you I was talking about. ;)

 

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19 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Do it - they grow up fast. I have a hard time believing my youngest is 26 & planning to go off to Europe for a year after Christmas.

My eldest is 18 and leaving for university next year. I still have crystal clear memories of him fitting on my forearm, now he's a head taller than me. 

 

16 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

The thing I love about programming is, yesterday they pointed out something a bit odd. It was a bug that's been there since at least 2010 but nobody ever paid sufficient attention to notice (it's a trivial bug in fact). Now I have something interesting to track down. It won't take long but - it's something different.

Had something like that happen to me yesterday. We've had alerts popup based purely on proximity to a line on the map for years. Was always supposed to be based on proximity and travelling in the same direction as the line but no-one had ever really cared enough to test that part. Took all of fifteen minutes to fix but yea, about the only new thing with that project. To my knowledge nothing new on the one I'm starting today - just data and config changes.

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here you go..young bloke gets it

A young Latrobe Valley dad is calling on Australian men to change rape culture, starting with their language.

Jakson Elfring, from Hazelwood, south-east of Melbourne, posted a video on social media telling men to have more respect for women, after he and his partner noticed a string of sexual assaults being reported on the news.

"I thought about it for a couple of hours," Mr Elfring said.

"This is something I should actually talk about to try and make a change."

A diesel mechanic in the forestry industry, Mr Elfring said he often pulled up his colleagues and mates for using sexist language or for making inappropriate comments.

"It's not just about having a laugh. There are a lot of people that probably are affected by it that don't feel they have a voice and can't say something," he said.

"It's up to everyone to start making this change."

Video pulls no punches

In his Facebook video, which has been shared thousands of times, Mr Elfring draws the link between language used in society and the culture that contributes to violence against women.

"The rape culture here in Australia is shocking," he says.

"It starts with a joke at work or it could be a text message, or something you tag your mate in on Facebook."

Becoming emotional in the video, Mr Elfring said he believes respect for women starts at home.

"Have respect for your mum, that's a good start," he said.

"If you have respect for your mum, you are guaranteed a lifetime of constant support and unconditional love, you really are."

He goes on to bluntly say men need to understand sexual consent.

"Three of the easiest words you can live by: No means no. That's not hard to understand," Mr Elfring said.

"If you can't live by that, there's something wrong with you."

Hopes video will help create change

Mr Elfring has received a huge outpouring of support on Facebook.

"It's been good, but I think a lot of people appreciate it too," he said.

"I've had a lot of messages from people, women in particular, just to say thanks."

He told ABC Radio while he was surprised the video had gained such huge traction, he hoped it would help to make change, and he would now focus on raising his two young sons to be respectful.

"If me and my partner set our boys up properly, growing up to have the life skills and the respect to be able to conduct themselves, if we can teach our boys that then we've done a pretty good job," Mr Elfring said.

"All I can say to young blokes like myself — and this probably sounds a little bit silly — at home we have a lot of Dr Seuss books and one of the Dr Seuss quotes is 'So open your mouth lad, for every voice counts'."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-12/tradie-dad-bluntly-says-respect-for-your-mum-is-good-start/9980672

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WTF??

My Health Record.......is private thanks very much.

How long has this "opt OUT" skulduggery been going on?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-15/my-health-record-questions-answers-security-privacy-police/9959622

Every Australian will soon have a My Health Record — an online summary of their health information — unless they opt out over the next three months.

From Monday, Australians will have until October 15 to tell the Government they don't want one. Otherwise, a record will automatically be created.

The project aims to give patients and doctors access to timely medical information — test results, referral letters and organ donation information, for starters — but there are concerns about the safety of some of our most personal, sensitive data.

 

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/07/12/14/32/medical-data-online-australian-my-health-site-opt-out-warning

Previously the system worked on an ‘opt in’ rule, but only a quarter of the population has signed up so the rule has been switched to ‘opt out’.

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5 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

WTF??

My Health Record.......is private thanks very much.

How long has this "opt OUT" skulduggery been going on?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-15/my-health-record-questions-answers-security-privacy-police/9959622

 

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/07/12/14/32/medical-data-online-australian-my-health-site-opt-out-warning

Previously the system worked on an ‘opt in’ rule, but only a quarter of the population has signed up so the rule has been switched to ‘opt out’.

Welcome to the world where nothing is private and anything, once in digital form, exists forever. Somewhere.

There'll be lots of ways of gaming this system. I won't be registering.

FKT

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The ABC article in full

pardon the infill crap, it will take a minute for me to clean it up

My Health Record: Your questions answered on cybersecurity, police and privacy

 

By technology reporter Ariel Bogle

Updated about 5 hours ago
First posted earlier today at 05:02

Every Australian will soon have a My Health Record — an online summary of their health information — unless they opt out over the next three months.

From Monday, Australians will have until October 15 to tell the Government they don't want one. Otherwise, a record will automatically be created.

The project aims to give patients and doctors access to timely medical information — test results, referral letters and organ donation information, for starters — but there are concerns about the safety of some of our most personal, sensitive data.

We asked for your questions about the project on social media, and they ranged from police access to the platform's cybersecurity.

The ABC sat down with Tim Kelsey, the head of the Australian Digital Health Agency (ADHA) and the man in charge of the initiative, to get them answered.

The way the record works

As a patient, how can I know if my My Health Record information is being maintained by my doctor?

You can choose to opt out and have no My Health Record.

But once you have one, doctors can upload health information into it unless you ask them not to.

A screen showing My Health Record creation options.
 
(Screenshot: My Health Record)

When you see a doctor, you can discuss adding (or not) documents such as an overview of your health, a summary of prescribed medications and referral letters.

Remember, it's not a comprehensive picture of your health — it will only contain what you and your doctors choose to upload, and will depend on the quality of those records.

When you first access the system, you'll be asked to decide whether you want two years of Medicare Benefits Schedule, Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, Australian Immunisation Register, and Australian Organ Donor Register data to be uploaded.

But if your doctor accesses your record first before you make the selection yourself, this data will be uploaded automatically — unless you've opted to have no record at all.

If you want, you can delete or restrict access to those documents later.

Not all Australian hospitals and health services are connected to My Health Record yet, so that's something to check during your next visit.

When I get a prescription, how do I know whether I need to ask to make an update to my My Health Record? Does this vary by provider?

Doctors can upload information about prescribed medications, but as discussed above, it's worth discussing this each time you see your doctor.

What happens to your My Health Record after you die?

My Health Record information will be held for 30 years after your death. If that date isn't known, then it's kept for 130 years after your birth.

 

Will any private health insurance companies have access?

Insurers shouldn't be able to access your record — it's reserved for people who work for a registered healthcare provider and who are authorised to provide you with care.

There are plans to use aggregated, anonymised My Health Record data for research and other purposes — this is known as "secondary use".

"My Health Record information can be used for research and public health purposes in either a de-identified form, or in an identified form if the use is expressly consented to by the consumer," a Department of Health spokesperson said.

Currently, users of the platform can tick a box on the web portal to opt out of secondary use.

Secondary uses must be of public benefit and cannot be "solely" commercial, and insurance agencies will not be allowed to participate.

However, "the impact of this exclusion" will be considered when the Department of Health's framework governing secondary use of My Health Record data is reviewed, according to the framework document.

Australian organisations (and some overseas, in certain circumstances), including Australian pharmaceutical companies, will be able to apply to access My Health Record data for approved secondary purposes.

"We don't expect any data to flow until 2020," Mr Kelsey added.

The opt-out period

How can I opt out?

There are three key ways:

  • By visiting www.myhealthrecord.gov.au and opting out using the online portal.
  • Over the phone by calling 1800 723 471.
  • Or on paper by completing a form and returning it by mail. Forms will be available in 2,385 rural and remote Australia Post outlets, through 146 Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisations and in 136 prisons.

What happens to the people who end up with a My Health Record, and then decide to opt out?

If you don't opt out between July 16 and October 15, then a record will be automatically created for you.

After October 15, there will be a "one-month reconciliation period" before new My Health Records are registered. These new records will be created mid-November.

You can then cancel that record, but the data it contained will still exist (although inaccessible to you or health providers) until 30 years after your death.

Is a record automatically generated if a doctor uploads a document during the opt-out period, even if you did not create one yourself?

According to the ADHA, doctors can't upload any clinical documents to the My Health Record system unless the patient record exists.

What about children who aren't born yet — can they opt out?

After the opt-out period, newly eligible healthcare recipients, such as immigrants to Australia and parents of newborn children, will be given the chance to elect not to have a My Health Record as part of their Medicare registration.

Protection of your data

Which service provider will manage the infrastructure to ensure it isn't vulnerable to a cyber-attack?

The platform was built by the technology provider Accenture, however the ADHA is starting discussions about "re-platforming" it.

Independent third parties audit the system's security and undertake penetration testing, according to Mr Kelsey, but security experts warn that it's impossible to make any online database entirely bullet proof.

Remember too, that documents created or downloaded by your doctors may be stored in their local IT system too and depend on that system's security.

If a doctor downloads files from My Health Record, what's to stop her from sharing those files within the practice?

By default, your online documents will be accessible to your healthcare providers.

If you have privacy concerns, you can log onto My Health Record and restrict who sees it:

  • You can set a Record Access Code and give it only to healthcare professionals you want to access your record.
  • If you want to restrict certain documents, you can set a Limited Document Access Code.

These controls may be overridden in an emergency.

As mentioned above, if a document is removed from the My Health Record system, it's beyond the reach of your access controls.

If a GP were to allow another staff member to access a record, what is the potential punishment?

If someone accesses your My Health Record without legal authorisation and the person "knows or is reckless to that fact", criminal and civil penalties may apply.

Where can users see information about who has accessed their record?

My Health Record users will be able to see who has looked at their record by checking its access history online.

They'll be able to see when it was accessed, which organisation accessed it and what was done — documents being added, modified or removed, for example — but not the individual doctor who accessed it.

You can also set up an email or SMS alert for when a healthcare organisation accesses your record for the first time.

The privacy commissioner recommends checking regularly for unexpected or unauthorised access. You can call the ADHA on 1800 723 471 if you think something's gone wrong.

Several apps can connect to My Health Record. How will the ADHA ensure they are secure?

Apps such as Healthi and Health Engine, which recently ran into trouble, are authorised by the ADHA to "show" people their health record.

According to Mr Kelsey, third party app developers can only display your My Health Record — "at the moment, it's view-only" — and cannot store that data.

These providers undergo "strict assessment" and must abide by a Portal Operator Registration Agreement, according to the ADHA.

The agreement demands they do not download or store My Health Record information on their own system, or pass that data on to a third party.

"We are not currently planning to provide access beyond 'view-only' to the app community," he said.

Police and law enforcement

Which rules and policies guide the ADHA's decision to grant access to law enforcement?

The ADHA is authorised by law to disclose someone's health information if it "reasonably believes" it's necessary for preventing or investigating crimes and protecting the public revenue, among other things specified under section 70 of the My Health Records Act.

The agency was unable to provide a definition of "protecting the public revenue" by deadline.

When it receives a law enforcement request, the ADHA will need to determine that it's a legitimate request from an enforcement body.

Law enforcement bodies will not be granted direct access to the My Health Record: The ADHA said any disclosure would be limited to what is necessary to satisfy the purpose of the request.

Has the ADHA received any requests from law enforcement to access records?

Mr Kelsey said no police requests have been received yet.

Will users be informed if their data has been released to law enforcement?

If personal information is disclosed to law enforcement, the decision about whether to notify the My Health Record holder will be decided "case-by-case".

Likewise, healthcare provider organisations won't be informed if their patient's data is accessed.

The release to police will be recorded in a written note and stored by the ADHA.

 

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That "interview" is so full of maybe's, shouldn't be able to's, and empty of the sort of questions most people would want to ask..Like will second part'es have to ask MY permission to access MY records.

FUCK..and they always say Brave new world is a Lefty concept.

This is awful in so many ways.

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10 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Welcome to the world where nothing is private and anything, once in digital form, exists forever. Somewhere.

There'll be lots of ways of gaming this system. I won't be registering.

FKT

me either..and neither will my kids.

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On 7/11/2018 at 1:48 PM, Shortforbob said:

wapo's paywall cut in..if there;s any substance to it..it could simply be some primitive Pheromone thing the victim gives off and the rapist uses to select his victim by..Dunno.

So..indelicately as you put it.

Women are not designed to conceive when raped, rather possibly more attractive to rapists when ovulating.

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Study: Rape victims have a higher pregnancy rates than other women

 
 
 
By Sarah KliffAugust 20, 2012

 

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Rep. Todd Akin caused a public outcry Sunday when he suggested that women who were "legitimately raped" would rarely become pregnant. Study after study has proven that theory false. But one provocative study, published in 2003, went even further: It found that a single act of rape was more than twice as likely to result in pregnancy than an act of consensual sex.

 

The study, "Are per-incident rape-pregnancy rates higher than per-incident consensual pregnancy rates?" was publishedin the journal Human Nature by Jonathan A. Gottschall and Tiffani A. Gottschall, two professors at St. Lawrence University in Canton, N.Y. They used data from the federally administered National Violence Against Women survey. There, they found a sample of 405 women between the ages of 12 and 45 who had experienced one incidence of rape that included intercourse.

Of those 405 women included in the sample, 6.4 percent — or 26 women — reported a pregnancy that year. A separate large-scale study showed that, for the general population of women that age, the per-incidence pregnancy rate for a single act of intercourse is 3.1 percent.

As to why rape victims would have a higher rate of pregnancy, the Gottschalls put forward a few theories. They look at previous research, which suggests that men are more attracted to women who are fertile and ovulating. In consensual sex, women can decline sex at a time where there might be a high likelihood of pregnancy. That's not the case in rape.

"Rapists do not wait to be chosen, rapists choose," they write. "As such, within the limits of opportunity, rapists would be able to target women bearing cues [of fertility]."

The Gottschalls do acknowledge that their study was at odds with previous research, which showed a lower rate of pregnancy among rape victims.

Copy and paste of the article 

WTF is legitimately raped?? 

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1 hour ago, mad said:

Copy and paste of the article 

WTF is legitimately raped?? 

<sarcasm>

They have to die or be severely physically damaged, preferably with broken bones, while resisting, to where they're beaten unconscious. Otherwise it's not a legitimate rape.....

</sarcasm>

That man is an idiot.

FKT

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On 5/10/2018 at 2:03 PM, albanyguy said:

I wouldn't be too sure on that call Bent. Mayo is definitely up for grabs as Sharkie rode the Xenophon wave into the Lower House and that star has waned. It was a relatively safe Liberal seat previously and I think I saw something earlier saying that Alexander Downer's daughter may be preselected. 

Longman was only a 1% margin to Susan Lamb from the ALP so it's winnable and Perth will be keenly contested although will most probably be retained by ALP.

Sometimes it's good to reflect. ;)

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1 hour ago, Bent Sailor said:

Sometimes it's good to reflect. ;)

Sometimes it's not :lol:

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4 minutes ago, albanyguy said:

Sometimes it's not :lol:

Not been watching this but I get the feeling they dont like the Downers much :D

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3 minutes ago, albanyguy said:

Sometimes it's not :lol:

True. Reflection can be disturbing to one's faith :lol:

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1 minute ago, Shortforbob said:

Not been watching this but I get the feeling they dont like the Downers much :D

To be honest, I don't think anyone really cared whether or not the Liberal was a Downer. Dynasties don't have the same kick here as they do in the US. 

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2 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

To be honest, I don't think anyone really cared whether or not the Liberal was a Downer. Dynasties don't have the same kick here as they do in the US. 

So she found out.

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On 7/29/2018 at 6:55 PM, Bent Sailor said:

To be honest, I don't think anyone really cared whether or not the Liberal was a Downer. Dynasties don't have the same kick here as they do in the US. 

Ever heard of a family called Katter? 

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Is Trumpism coming to Oz or is this just the good old boys at the Australian cricket board?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-30/cricket-australia-sacks-staffer-over-abortion-tweets/10051972

The lawyer representing a woman allegedly sacked over a series of tweets criticising the Tasmanian Government and abortion rights in the state believes there is more to the case than workplace social media policy.

Angela Williamson, 39, is taking Cricket Australia to the Fair Work Commission after she was dismissed from her Hobart-based government relations role.

Ms Williamson was among the women forced to fly to the mainland to have a termination after Tasmania's only abortion provider closed.

She had been campaigning on Twitter for abortion reform in Tasmania and was dismissed at the end of June.

In a statement, a Cricket Australia spokesperson said it would be "inappropriate" to comment on Ms Williamson's circumstances, but said:

"Cricket Australia respects an individual's right to their opinion. However, it expects that employees will refrain from making offensive comments that contravene the organisation's social media policy."

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