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1 minute ago, Shortforbob said:

Ah..so.your now switching to what may happen..I agree..anything MAY happen.

No switch, you switched, you finally understood what I was saying.

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2 minutes ago, random said:

So how are your testosterone levels going?  Or was that estrogen ... the empathy hormone.

Random..you were WRONG..it's no biggie..we're all wrong sometimes..now be a good child and toddle off.

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1 minute ago, random said:

No switch, you switched, you finally understood what I was saying.

Random..the dog of the antipodes :D

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This would be sweet.

Dutton in breach of the constitution .

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-22/solicitor-general-to-check-if-dutton-in-breach-of-constitution/10153072

Attorney-General Christian Porter has called on the Government's chief lawyer for advice on whether Peter Dutton is eligible to remain in Parliament.

Key points:

  • Peter Dutton is the beneficiary of a family trust with interests in childcare centres that receive Commonwealth subsidies
  • Constitutional lawyers say that could put Mr Dutton in breach of section 44(v)
  • ABC understands the Attorney-General has asked Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue QC for advice

 

Earlier this week, as speculation Mr Dutton was preparing to mount a leadership challenge was reaching fever pitch, Network Ten reported concerns about the Queensland MPs constitutional status.

Mr Dutton's register of members' interests shows he is the beneficiary of a family trust with interests in childcare centres in Queensland.

Those centres, like many around the country, receive Commonwealth subsidies.

Constitutional lawyers, including Professor Anne Twomey, suggest Mr Dutton could be under an eligibility cloud due to the ban on members and senators benefitting financially from the Commonwealth.

That rule is contained in section 44(5) of the constitution, and includes both direct and indirect financial gain.

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Good to see it’s not just those on the political right that at each other’s throats at the moment. Remember the words of our greatest ever Prime Minister, John Winston Howard ‘ the things that divide us are not as strong as the values that unite us as Australians.’

Fuck I love this place.

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11 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

This would be sweet.

Dutton in breach of the constitution .

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-22/solicitor-general-to-check-if-dutton-in-breach-of-constitution/10153072

Attorney-General Christian Porter has called on the Government's chief lawyer for advice on whether Peter Dutton is eligible to remain in Parliament.

Key points:

  • Peter Dutton is the beneficiary of a family trust with interests in childcare centres that receive Commonwealth subsidies
  • Constitutional lawyers say that could put Mr Dutton in breach of section 44(v)
  • ABC understands the Attorney-General has asked Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue QC for advice

 

Earlier this week, as speculation Mr Dutton was preparing to mount a leadership challenge was reaching fever pitch, Network Ten reported concerns about the Queensland MPs constitutional status.

Mr Dutton's register of members' interests shows he is the beneficiary of a family trust with interests in childcare centres in Queensland.

Those centres, like many around the country, receive Commonwealth subsidies.

Constitutional lawyers, including Professor Anne Twomey, suggest Mr Dutton could be under an eligibility cloud due to the ban on members and senators benefitting financially from the Commonwealth.

That rule is contained in section 44(5) of the constitution, and includes both direct and indirect financial gain.

This story broke 3 days ago. Have you heard the sad news about Elvis passing?

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And at the local State level.... I came back from a meeting with a high profile gov dept yesterday, where a flag waving Labor public servant is advocating openly to bypass every gov purchasing and policy guidelines to cement her fuck buddy into a multiyear gov contract. Protests from decent public service persons have gone all the way to senior levels, and met with a wall of silence. 

In my working career, every time Labour gets in I see this level of blatant corruption pop up. Every time LNP get in, I see attempts but never permeating through all the ranks to the highest office.

I'm not saying the LNP are sweet and innocent by any means, but in my experience their machinations pale into insignificance. And no, I have no affinity with the LNP, and history, prior to my working career, showed the Nationals under Joe and Hinze to have almost written the rule book.

That in the past. The current Labour movement is still riddled with corruption and mates for mates, and until they shake out the union's vice like grip, their foul taste will continue..  

 

   

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1 minute ago, shaggybaxter said:

And at the local State level.... I came back from a meeting with a high profile gov dept yesterday, where a flag waving Labor public servant is advocating openly to bypass every gov purchasing and policy guidelines to cement her fuck buddy into a multiyear gov contract. Protests from decent public service persons have gone all the way to senior levels, and met with a wall of silence. 

In my working career, every time Labour gets in I see this level of blatant corruption pop up. Every time LNP get in, I see attempts but never permeating through all the ranks to the highest office.

I'm not saying the LNP are sweet and innocent by any means, but in my experience their machinations pale into insignificance. And no, I have no affinity with the LNP, and history, prior to my working career, showed the Nationals under Joe and Hinze to have almost written the rule book.

That in the past. The current Labour movement is still riddled with corruption and mates for mates, and until they shake out the union's vice like grip, their foul taste will continue..  

 

   

Document, document, document - an email trail is a really hard thing to defend against later, especially if there's an undeclared conflict of interest involved.

Not sure what the whistleblower laws are in Qld - probably none given the history - but giving your MP information about possible corruption is difficult to attack you over.

Of course if your MP is part of the cabal - tough call. There's always the CCC and the press.....

FKT

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15 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

I don't understand Dutton - in his position I'd have run a mile NOT to be elected at this point. It's odds-on whoever gets to roll Turnbull is going to go down big-time at the next election and then most likely lose the leadership. Is being PM for less than a year actually worth the shit and failure?

Better to sit tight, let Turnbull do what he does best - make bad decisions - then take over as Opposition Leader without any baggage. Shorten is likely to be so bad a PM that he'll be a one-term wonder.

Oh well - on with the show.

FKT

Dutton would not be in Parliament after the next election.

Its about back benchers and those holding small margins taking their future into their own hands by distancing themselves from their scapegoat  (turnbull)

 

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14 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Document, document, document - an email trail is a really hard thing to defend against later, especially if there's an undeclared conflict of interest involved.

Not sure what the whistleblower laws are in Qld - probably none given the history - but giving your MP information about possible corruption is difficult to attack you over.

Of course if your MP is part of the cabal - tough call. There's always the CCC and the press.....

FKT

FKT, Yep. 

My last foray into this sordid corruption shit was at Logan City Council, an investigation that took two years but which you may have noticed on the news recently. It was all paperwork that brought that little chestnut into the light. 

An interesting sideline to all of these scandals, the innocent parties that were all removed/replaced by dodgy brothers inc. may get the justification of a win for the good guys, but never get re-instated. This is justified by governments crying poor and not re-instating all the legitimate contracts as they cannot afford to rip out and replace the results of the corruption, so they continue using the dodgy hardware/software/service whilst removing the entity that supplied it.

Not exactly condusive to whistleblowing is it? 

  

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1 minute ago, shaggybaxter said:

FKT, Yep. 

My last foray into this sordid corruption shit was at Logan City Council, an investigation that took two years but which you may have noticed on the news recently. It was all paperwork that brought that little chestnut into the light. 

An interesting sideline to all of these scandals, the innocent parties that were all removed/replaced by dodgy brothers inc. may get the justification of a win for the good guys, but never get re-instated. This is justified by governments crying poor and not re-instating all the legitimate contracts as they cannot afford to rip out and replace the results of the corruption, so they continue using the dodgy hardware/software/service whilst removing the entity that supplied it.

Not exactly condusive to whistleblowing is it? 

  

No, I agree, it almost always ends up being a no-win for the whistleblowers once things get that far.

*HOWEVER* - if nobody does blow the whistle, the honest companies/persons still get screwed over and the screwing goes on for a lot longer.

Financially, the most assured way to come out ahead is to join the rorters.

Been in a similar situation twice, walked away & cut my losses. First time I dropped a large number of people in the shit which gave me quite a bit of satisfaction. Second time I figured it out a lot earlier (private companies) and walked off with the source code, told them to sue me. They didn't and the whole thing went down the tubes.

I recognise that it's unlikely my experiences are applicable to your situation but if you can't get back to status quo there can be considerable satisfaction in hanging others as recompense for your losses.....

FKT

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1 minute ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

I recognise that it's unlikely my experiences are applicable to your situation but if you can't get back to status quo there can be considerable satisfaction in hanging others as recompense for your losses.....

Sounds very similar. I agree, one has to do it regardless of the outcome, and it was worth the time and effort for the ethical win without the financial recompense, and I'd do it again tomorrow.

I just always feel bad for the litany of effected persons that are involved, that do all the right things, and still lose out. 

Life isn't fair or easy, but fence sitting is how the Palmer's and Trump's of this world make their money, fleecing poor cunts that don't fight back.  

 Something the US needs to think about at the moment.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, shaggybaxter said:

Sounds very similar. I agree, one has to do it regardless of the outcome, and it was worth the time and effort for the ethical win without the financial recompense, and I'd do it again tomorrow.

I just always feel bad for the litany of effected persons that are involved, that do all the right things, and still lose out.

Most people are honest which keeps things running, fortunately. I would have thought that after the massive scandal in Health a few years back that Qld would have decent protections in place. A client of mine was certainly aware; even when on holidays down here he insisted on paying for my dinner rather than allow me to pay for his, just in case anyone wanted to get picky, and we won an open tender bid for the work in the first place. He's retired now so next time I'm in Brisbane I'll buy.

Lovely scandal coming to light in West Oz ATM - I'm watching with interest.

FKT

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29 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Dutton would not be in Parliament after the next election.

Its about back benchers and those holding small margins taking their future into their own hands by distancing themselves from their scapegoat  (turnbull)

 

You lefties just don’t get it do you. The Liberal party is deeply divided on policy direction. Like the Labor party. And just like the ALP they are stuck with a highly unpopular, incompetent, elitist leader. The only difference is that there are those within the Liberal party that have the balls to do something about it, fully understanding that that this will cost them the next election. The ALP have never won an election it’s just that the Lib/Nat’s gift them one occasionally. Hopefully Shorten and his Pretorian guard are too incompetent to irreversibly fuck the country in the one term they will last. Shorten will be removed after a year or two anyway.

What a mess but that is what happens when the Prime Minister is a socialist- regardless if they own a waterfront mansion or not.

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37 minutes ago, shaggybaxter said:

Sounds very similar. I agree, one has to do it regardless of the outcome, and it was worth the time and effort for the ethical win without the financial recompense, and I'd do it again tomorrow.

I just always feel bad for the litany of effected persons that are involved, that do all the right things, and still lose out. 

Life isn't fair or easy, but fence sitting is how the Palmer's and Trump's of this world make their money, fleecing poor cunts that don't fight back.  

 Something the US needs to think about at the moment.

 

 

Could be worse mate- you could be contracting to flight centres. I wonder if the sex, drugs and drunkenness is compulsory for consultants as well?

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

You lefties just don’t get it do you. The Liberal party is deeply divided on policy direction. Like the Labor party. And just like the ALP they are stuck with a highly unpopular, incompetent, elitist leader. The only difference is that there are those within the Liberal party that have the balls to do something about it, fully understanding that that this will cost them the next election. The ALP have never won an election it’s just that the Lib/Nat’s gift them one occasionally. Hopefully Shorten and his Pretorian guard are too incompetent to irreversibly fuck the country in the one term they will last. Shorten will be removed after a year or two anyway.

What a mess but that is what happens when the Prime Minister is a socialist- regardless if they own a waterfront mansion or not.

You actually think morals and beliefs come before job security?

 

 

I hear all gbr permits are going to triple to help with the costs of climate change when the labor/greens coalition take over.....

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I have no idea what a  gbr permit is but I suspect that yes, everything will triple in cost under Shorten/Hanson -Young. The mindless, uneducated morons that vote for them expect the government to pay for their lives. Those selfish self funded retirees particularly will be targeted. Why should they have a free ride just because they worked hard all their lives to not be a burden on society? I see Turbul has just stood aside. Going home to look for his lifejacket apparently.

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Scott Morrison is set to run for the Liberal leadership against Peter Dutton, after Malcolm Turnbull's key allies told the PM he had lost the support of the party room. The coup de grace was administered by Mathias Cormann, who led a trio of Cabinet ministers in defecting from Mr Turnbull's cause.

 

We're fucked...Morrison is every bit as nasty and racist as Dutton...he just doesn't look like the undead.

He's also a pentecostal nutter.

You blokes need to have a look at where conservative politics is heading in Australia.

Sure the ALP leaders are a bit useless but they're no going to take Oz anywhere near the path of the American right.

Economic policies come and go, our reputation as a secular "fair go" country will be harder to recover...it's already critically damaged and needs a spell in the ICU.

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What a schmozzle Federal Politics has become again. The silver lining from all this is that Scott Morrison has put his hat into the ring. I hope he gets enough votes but I fear he won't. Switching to Dutton will almost guarantee Shorten as PM within the next 12 months and if the Opposition do indeed move a motion of no confidence in Dutton as PM and it succeeds then we may well be going to the polls in a few weeks and he gets the keys to the Lodge before Christmas.

As has been said many times in recent years - We live in interesting times

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22 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Scott Morrison is set to run for the Liberal leadership against Peter Dutton, after Malcolm Turnbull's key allies told the PM he had lost the support of the party room. The coup de grace was administered by Mathias Cormann, who led a trio of Cabinet ministers in defecting from Mr Turnbull's cause.

 

We're fucked...Morrison is every bit as nasty and racist as Dutton...he just doesn't look like the undead.

He's also a pentecostal nutter.

You blokes need to have a look at where conservative politics is heading in Australia.

Sure the ALP leaders are a bit useless but they're no going to take Oz anywhere near the path of the American right.

Economic policies come and go, our reputation as a secular "fair go" country will be harder to recover...it's already critically damaged and needs a spell in the ICU.

You're missing the point a bit here.

A strict immigration policy may well offend your delicate flower feelings, but the majority of Australians on both sides support it.

All your bitching about it just serves to reinforce it further. I'll never support any proposal to return to the open border come as you wish policies of the Rudd-Gillard era.

I think the religious nutcases should get ridiculed and ignored. However if you force me to make a choice between our home-grown religious nutcases and allowing entry to the country without restraint, guess what - I'm voting for the nutcases who enforce strict immigration checks.

FKT

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16 minutes ago, albanyguy said:

What a schmozzle Federal Politics has become again. The silver lining from all this is that Scott Morrison has put his hat into the ring. I hope he gets enough votes but I fear he won't. Switching to Dutton will almost guarantee Shorten as PM within the next 12 months and if the Opposition do indeed move a motion of no confidence in Dutton as PM and it succeeds then we may well be going to the polls in a few weeks and he gets the keys to the Lodge before Christmas.

As has been said many times in recent years - We live in interesting times

would shorten really be so bad?

This gov is shambolic. they're trying to adjourn Parliament as we speak, the cross bench are infuriated...Labour never got this bad in public

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-23/live-peter-dutton-poised-to-challenge-malcolm-turnbull-again/10155008

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2 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

You're missing the point a bit here.

A strict immigration policy may well offend your delicate flower feelings, but the majority of Australians on both sides support it.

All your bitching about it just serves to reinforce it further. I'll never support any proposal to return to the open border come as you wish policies of the Rudd-Gillard era.

I think the religious nutcases should get ridiculed and ignored. However if you force me to make a choice between our home-grown religious nutcases and allowing entry to the country without restraint, guess what - I'm voting for the nutcases who enforce strict immigration checks.

FKT

I wasn't talking about the immigration policy per se, I was referring to the outrageous silencing of the press with "operation soveriegn border bullshit, wanting ankle bracelets on TPV holders , His objections to paying for the familys of drowned asylum seekers to come to see their loved ones buried...He's our answer to Sessions.

This government has become less and less accountable and more inscrutable.

I'm trying to sort out my MIL pension..have you ever tried to either call Centrelink OR complete one of their bullshit online merry-go- rounds they call applications? 

My daughters been trying to sort out her pathetic Austudy allowance for weeks..there appears to be some problem..but she cant find out what it is..So..as she sufferers diagnosed GAD and this bullshit is tipping her over..mum's supporting her..well who'd have thunk that would happen.:rolleyes:

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8 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

would shorten really be so bad?

Yes I believe so...and so do many that identify with the ALP. He brought in the rules to ensure it was too difficult to replace him unless he resigned. Albo is more popular. Ask yourself why?

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1 minute ago, albanyguy said:

Yes I believe so...and so do many that identify with the ALP. He brought in the rules to ensure it was too difficult to replace him unless he resigned. Albo is more popular. Ask yourself why?

Well maybe they will ditch shorten and give us Albo..or hopefully Plibersek . And do it with a bit more grace...hopefully.

I think everyone in the country is tired of this self indulgent rubbish we are paying for.

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52 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

I have no idea what a  gbr permit is but I suspect that yes, everything will triple in cost under Shorten/Hanson -Young. The mindless, uneducated morons that vote for them expect the government to pay for their lives. Those selfish self funded retirees particularly will be targeted. Why should they have a free ride just because they worked hard all their lives to not be a burden on society? I see Turbul has just stood aside. Going home to look for his lifejacket apparently.

Gbr=great barrier reef.

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24 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

You're missing the point a bit here.

A strict immigration policy may well offend your delicate flower feelings, but the majority of Australians on both sides support it.

All your bitching about it just serves to reinforce it further. I'll never support any proposal to return to the open border come as you wish policies of the Rudd-Gillard era.

I think the religious nutcases should get ridiculed and ignored. However if you force me to make a choice between our home-grown religious nutcases and allowing entry to the country without restraint, guess what - I'm voting for the nutcases who enforce strict immigration checks.

FKT

Yes, most people are for a strict immigration policy.  However,  most people are against the treatment given to those seeking asylum.

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12 minutes ago, albanyguy said:

Yes I believe so...and so do many that identify with the ALP. He brought in the rules to ensure it was too difficult to replace him unless he resigned. Albo is more popular. Ask yourself why?

Shorten did not change the rules. That was rudd. With the backing of the membership.

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2 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Shorten did not change the rules. That was rudd. With the backing of the membership.

Shorten was the puppetmaster knowing full well that Rudd wouldn't win the election and he was next in line. Shorten and his union buddies changed the rules make no mistake.

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Gutless wonders adjourned Parliament before Question Time to avoid an on-air vote of no confidence and subsequent dissolution of government. Not everyone could get to the chamber in time, which would be why they did it when they did, and they only won by two votes.

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20 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Well maybe they will ditch shorten and give us Albo..or hopefully Plibersek . And do it with a bit more grace...hopefully.

I think everyone in the country is tired of this self indulgent rubbish we are paying for.

Meli you should take the time to read all those books instead of just stacking them. The usual mindless chattering of the left is now to compare any policy discussion that is to the right of the teachings of Mao Tse-tung is embracing Trump. Hasn’t a few years of Turnbull proved that leftist policy driven by the media and every self interest group is no way to run Government ? Labor light failed. Labor premium strength will be a complete fuckup. Like Gillard/Rudd/Gillard was.

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7 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Gutless wonders adjourned Parliament before Question Time to avoid an on-air vote of no confidence and subsequent dissolution of government. Not everyone could get to the chamber in time, which would be why they did it when they did, and they only won by two votes.

Ha ha. Andrew Bolt has just pointed out that Turnbull lasted longer than Gough did as PM with almost the same policy’s.

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8 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Gutless wonders adjourned Parliament before Question Time to avoid an on-air vote of no confidence and subsequent dissolution of government. Not everyone could get to the chamber in time, which would be why they did it when they did, and they only won by two votes.

Wait. You are claiming that Labor will win an election? Like you claimed that Hillary and Shorten would win the last elections? You need a new hobby cupcake- you are batting 0 from 2 as an political analyst. After your championing of Trumbull this must be busting your balls. Thank god you have me on ignore hey? Bwahahahahahaha.

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Just now, albanyguy said:

LB is Dutton your local MP? or is Dickson a bit west of where you live?

No Ross Vasta is our Member. It is ironic that Dutton’s electret has the word ‘Dick’ in it.

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28 minutes ago, albanyguy said:

Shorten was the puppetmaster knowing full well that Rudd wouldn't win the election and he was next in line. Shorten and his union buddies changed the rules make no mistake.

Rudd went against those union buddies to change rules.

 

You realise the labor party in the only major party that gives rank and file members a vote on leadership?

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2 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

No Ross Vasta is our Member. It is ironic that Dutton’s electret has the word ‘Dick’ in it.

Made more ironic with your Queensland centric spelling.

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5 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Rudd went against those union buddies to change rules.

 

You realise the labor party in the only major party that gives rank and file members a vote on leadership?

No the Republican Party does as well. That and the ALP prove the kind of leaders you get when you let any moron have a vote. Did you vote for Rudd rainyface?

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8 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Made more ironic with your Queensland centric spelling.

That is all you have got I guess. When you have finished proof reading this post can you get me a cup of coffe and then I have some filling for you to do. That is what you working class types do isn’t it?

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12 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Rudd went against those union buddies to change rules.

 

You realise the labor party in the only major party that gives rank and file members a vote on leadership?

Only after the caucus votes by more than a 2/3rd's majority to replace the leader, or something like that.  And I'm pretty sure the Greens give the rank and file a vote on their leader.

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2 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

No the Republican Party does as well. That and the ALP prove the kind of leaders you get when you let any moron have a vote. Did you vote for Rudd rainyface?

As a shivering,  windblowb rainyface, I could not vote for a man who helped in the clean up of a brisbane flood.

I was, however,  able to directly vote for the wonderful julia. Unfortunately,  her replacement is actually worse....

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Pfft. Now Dutton's eligibility is coming up as a prerequisite to any meeting replacing Turnbull. YCMTSU.

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2 minutes ago, albanyguy said:

Only after the caucus votes by more than a 2/3rd's majority to replace the leader, or something like that.  And I'm pretty sure the Greens give the rank and file a vote on their leader.

The greens are not a major party.

 

You obviously dont know the labor leadership rules. Please don't let that prevent you from commenting on them.

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5 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

That is all you have got I guess. When you have finished proof reading this post can you get me a cup of coffe and then I have some filling for you to do. That is what you working class types do isn’t it?

You  want me in the long skirt or the short skirt?

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2 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

You obviously dont know the labor leadership rules. Please don't let that prevent you from commenting on them.

Correct as I'm not a member and have no aspiration to be one.

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2 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Pfft. Now Dutton's eligibility is coming up as a prerequisite to any meeting replacing Turnbull. YCMTSU.

Duttons eligibility was part of labors attack in question time yesterday.  Keeping malcolm is advantageous to labor in the short term. The closer we get to the election the tactics will change.

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Just now, Ease the sheet. said:

Duttons eligibility was part of labors attack in question time yesterday.  Keeping malcolm is advantageous to labor in the short term. The closer we get to the election the tactics will change.

Sure, but it wasn't Liberals making Dutton's eligibility a prerequisite to a party room meeting. It was Turnbull. The Liberals are imploding and the longer it takes, the worse it gets. Quite amusing given the shit they were shovelling about disunity, death, and leadership last election. 

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Turnbull presser summarised:

I'm not going to resign. They'll have to drag me from the job kicking and screaming. 

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15 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

You  want me in the long skirt or the short skirt?

It would be completely inappropriate for me to comment on anyway about my staffs dress code. I do have a no visible Tats rule however.

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2 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Turnbull presser summarised:

I'm not going to resign. They'll have to drag me from the job kicking and screaming. 

How quickly you forget. He is the man that allowed your elk to marry each other. NTTIAWWT.

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9 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Sure, but it wasn't Liberals making Dutton's eligibility a prerequisite to a party room meeting. It was Turnbull. The Liberals are imploding and the longer it takes, the worse it gets. Quite amusing given the shit they were shovelling about disunity, death, and leadership last election. 

During question time yesterday it was clear that nobody was concerned about duttons eligibility because no one checked and didn't want to check.

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3 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Turnbull presser summarised:

I'm not going to resign. They'll have to drag me from the job kicking and screaming. 

How amazing. Who would ever have thought Turnbull would go gracefully......

FKT

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2 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

It would be completely inappropriate for me to comment on anyway about my staffs dress code. I do have a no visible Tats rule however.

So, a niquab is mandatory for 50% of the Brisbane population, then?

FKT

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

It would be completely inappropriate for me to comment on anyway about my staffs dress code. I do have a no visible Tats rule however.

Long skirt then. I have a very artistic "stairway to heaven"....

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12 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Sure, but it wasn't Liberals making Dutton's eligibility a prerequisite to a party room meeting. It was Turnbull. The Liberals are imploding and the longer it takes, the worse it gets. Quite amusing given the shit they were shovelling about disunity, death, and leadership last election. 

You mean like Shorten did at his press conference a few minutes ago? 

As you correctly said - YCMTSU.

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1 minute ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

So, a niquab is mandatory for 50% of the Brisbane population, then?

FKT

That cold climate in Tassie hides a multitude of sins. Like paint. :)

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Just now, Fah Kiew Tu said:

How amazing. Who would ever have thought Turnbull would go gracefully......

Not I. I expected him to be as gracious in defeat as Abbott, Gillard, and Rudd were. Even said as much earlier in the thread. This isn't an issue with policy, it's one of personalities and conflicts between them. 

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

That cold climate in Tassie hides a multitude of sins. Like paint. :)

Thank God it does, too. The thought of those bogans from the Eastern Shore getting around with maximal exposed flesh - yeccch.

You see women going shopping in onesie's in Glenorchy. Fortunately for my eyesight, I very rarely go to Glenorchy.

FKT

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6 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Turnbull presser summarised:

I'm not going to resign. They'll have to drag me from the job kicking and screaming. 

Yep that is the narcissistic prick whose praises you sung when he rolled the mad monk a few years ago. You really are not very good at this.

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5 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Long skirt then. I have a very artistic "stairway to heaven"....

I think that's a bit TMI ETS

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2 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Not I. I expected him to be as gracious in defeat as Abbott, Gillard, and Rudd were. Even said as much earlier in the thread. This isn't an issue with policy, it's one of personalities and conflicts between them. 

Yeah. They all had to be dragged kicking & screaming from the job, and the gnashing of teeth continue to this day. Somehow, it never was their fault that their colleagues couldn't stand them any longer.

It'd be amusing (well, even more amusing) if they weren't supposed to be making important decisions.

FKT

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3 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Not I. I expected him to be as gracious in defeat as Abbott, Gillard, and Rudd were. Even said as much earlier in the thread. This isn't an issue with policy, it's one of personalities and conflicts between them. 

Brought on by policy differences. Have you ever considered reading instead of just writing essays?

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1 minute ago, albanyguy said:

I think that's a bit TMI ETS

Funny I was thinking more on the lines of 'pix or it never happened'.....

FKT

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Just now, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Yeah. They all had to be dragged kicking & screaming from the job, and the gnashing of teeth continue to this day. Somehow, it never was their fault that their colleagues couldn't stand them any longer.

It'd be amusing (well, even more amusing) if they weren't supposed to be making important decisions.

FKT

My thoughts exactly. Still it is High comedy.

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

Brought on by policy differences. Have you ever considered reading instead of just writing essays?

Bent supported Turnbull & Rudd's ETS so naturally he supports the Mk 3 attempt to get the same thing passed.

FKT

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4 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Funny I was thinking more on the lines of 'pix or it never happened'.....

FKT

Its not as impressive as Lb's favorite "puff the magic dragon" tattoo. And that is googleable.

But maybe nsfw....

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1 minute ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Yeah. They all had to be dragged kicking & screaming from the job, and the gnashing of teeth continue to this day. Somehow, it never was their fault that their colleagues couldn't stand them any longer.

 It'd be amusing (well, even more amusing) if they weren't supposed to be making important decisions.

Agreed. Best thing for any party is that leaders resign once ousted from leadership. When they stick around, they cause all manner of trouble for their successors and that fucks things up for years to come (as Eva Dent). Turnbull wouldn't have had this issue had Abbott the integrity to keep his "no wrecking, no sniping" promise. Dutton hasn't a snowflakes's chance in Queensland of Turnbull giving him clear air either.

Personalities and the personal grudges on show for the whole world to see. And none of the players are looking good from it.

 

1 minute ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Bent supported Turnbull & Rudd's ETS so naturally he supports the Mk 3 attempt to get the same thing passed.

Well, I don't change my principles based on who is in power or who is pushing for a policy. If I think it's the right thing to do - I maintain that position regardless of who agrees with me. Politics would be much smoother and better for everyone concerned if our politicians acted the same way. 

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4 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

I maintain that position regardless of who agrees with me. 

And regardless that every political prediction you make turns out to be wrong. What intrigues me is how you claim to be a self funded, semi retired consultant that wants a Shorten Government? You are either a liar or an imbecile. I am going with both.

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14 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Its not as impressive as Lb's favorite "puff the magic dragon" tattoo. And that is googleable.

But maybe nsfw....

Like anyone is now going to google that. What exactly were you searching for when you found whatever that means?

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2 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

And regardless that every political prediction you make turns out to be wrong. What intrigues me is how you claim to be a self funded, semi retired consultant that wants a Shorten Government? You are either a liar or an imbecile. I am going with both.

Or a parent.

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50 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

The greens are not a major party.

Not according to Randumb.

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

Like anyone is now going to google that. What exactly were you searching for when you found whatever that means?

There used to be a tattoo thread in GA. It was posted there. It is an amazing piece of art. Though confronting. Surely you remember it?

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8 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Well, I don't change my principles based on who is in power or who is pushing for a policy. If I think it's the right thing to do - I maintain that position regardless of who agrees with me. Politics would be much smoother and better for everyone concerned if our politicians acted the same way. 

The problem that Malcolm faced was, if he stuck to his principles, he'd never get to be Prime Minister. So he lied to his colleagues, got the job and then tried to do the things he'd explicitly said he wouldn't do. You may well think an ETS is a great idea but a hell of a lot of us don't. I think 'green' power is a worthwhile goal, make no mistake, but an ETS was going to be gamed from Day 1 and make no practical difference to actual CO2 emissions. Especially any ETS based on international trading of permits from countries who can't be trusted to do anything they say. Only thing going for it was, it'd make the ETS traders seriously rich.

Abbott would most likely have lost the last election and Turnbull most likely been re-elected Opposition Leader. How things would have panned out against Shorten then, who knows. Probably not well as Turnbull knows in his own mind that he's the smartest person in the room and everyone who disagrees is an idiot to be ignored. That sort-of works in a private company where you're majority shareholder - Kerry Packer was infamous for his attitudes - but when you actually depend on your colleagues supporting you and even the idiots have a vote each - hah. Bit less attitude and a bit more listening works better.

OH well next round of the entertainment coming up.....

FKT

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3 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

There used to be a tattoo thread in GA. It was posted there. It is an amazing piece of art. Though confronting. Surely you remember it?

No I have a short memory. Like Bent.

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3 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

The problem that Malcolm faced was, if he stuck to his principles, he'd never get to be Prime Minister. So he lied to his colleagues, got the job and then tried to do the things he'd explicitly said he wouldn't do.

I don't disagree. Turnbull was a little too liberal for the Liberals and it showed whenever he caved on issues he once held dear. Same sex marriage plebiscite - something he said was a waste of time and money, he pushed through as leader to the tune of over $100 million and the same result he (& the rest of the country) knew was coming anyway. Republic referendum - didn't hear a squeak out of him on it. And so on. As long as he sacrificed his ideals on the altar of political power - he was going to keep the job as figurehead. As soon as he proved he had some principles he still wanted to act on, Abbott got the chance he as craving and we can see the results playing out in real time this week.

 

3 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

You may well think an ETS is a great idea but a hell of a lot of us don't. I think 'green' power is a worthwhile goal, make no mistake, but an ETS was going to be gamed from Day 1 and make no practical difference to actual CO2 emissions. Especially any ETS based on international trading of permits from countries who can't be trusted to do anything they say. Only thing going for it was, it'd make the ETS traders seriously rich.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. At the moment, it's not even going up for a vote. Perhaps when the current shit-fight winds down and they start making it an election issue, we can revisit. ;) 

 

3 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Abbott would most likely have lost the last election and Turnbull most likely been re-elected Opposition Leader. How things would have panned out against Shorten then, who knows. Probably not well as Turnbull knows in his own mind that he's the smartest person in the room and everyone who disagrees is an idiot to be ignored. That sort-of works in a private company where you're majority shareholder - Kerry Packer was infamous for his attitudes - but when you actually depend on your colleagues supporting you and even the idiots have a vote each - hah. Bit less attitude and a bit more listening works better.

Abbott would definitely have lost the last election. As you said, the party didn't really want Turnbull (and his policies) in the first place... but they saw in him a chance to leave Abbott and his unpopularity behind, so they took it. They wouldn't have done that if there was a chance in hell of pulling through without it.

Don't disagree on your view regarding "majority shareholder CEO" vs "leading a party of self-interested politicians". Kind of the problem with our slow move towards politics of personality over the past decades. We don't have an executive leader that can hold on through unpopular decisions that are in the country's best interests at the cost of politician self-interest. At the first sign of trouble, our parliamentary parties turf their figurehead for a fresh new face on the same policies and the public buys it. 

 

 

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And Julie Bishop throws her hat in the ring!

Shorten may have to wait another three years. Bent you should head up to Centrelink and look for a job.

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12 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

And Julie Bishop throws her hat in the ring!

Shorten may have to wait another three years. Bent you should head up to Centrelink and look for a job.

Where are you getting that info LB?

Edit: I see The West online has reported it.

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15 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

And Julie Bishop throws her hat in the ring!

Shorten may have to wait another three years. Bent you should head up to Centrelink and look for a job.

If you thought dutton was unpopular down sth, julie aint much better.  and she's as moderate at malcolm.

Of course she's from wa. Thats got some influence.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, albanyguy said:

Where are you getting that info LB?

Edit: I see The West online has reported it.

2GB. The voice of reason. :) 

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4 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

If you thought dutton was unpopular down sth, julie aint much better.  and she's as moderate at malcolm.

Of course she's from wa. Thats got some influence.

Remember mate- the polls show women hate Shorten and even in Queensland they are allowed to vote.

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I could live with Julie Bishop being PM.

Be interesting to see if she gets the same treatment from the media and male opposition that Gillard got.

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10 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Remember mate- the polls show women hate Shorten and even in Queensland they are allowed to vote.

Not true. Female governor generals are quite partial to him. Queensland ones at that.

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5 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

I could live with Julie Bishop being PM.

Be interesting to see if she gets the same treatment from the media and male opposition that Gillard got.

I couldn't and of course she will not be known as either barren of juliar. Or not until the real conservatives start agitating anyway.

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9 minutes ago, albanyguy said:

7News on their FB pages now saying she is considering running not that she is.

That makes more sense. That's been rumoured since this morning. I think Channel 7 got a little over excited.

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14 minutes ago, albanyguy said:

7News on their FB pages now saying she is considering running not that she is.

Which is political speak for counting and making phone calls.

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