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How about: Even a Perry outlier is better than any boat Panoramix has shown us.

or: Perry's courage to show the entire design and build process is still not as impressive as Pano's trolling bitterness.

 

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This is pretty low Pano. The boat is constructed of carbon fiber and the owner loaded the shit out of the boat with all kinds of weighty gear after the build was initiated. Of course that would throw off the balance of a dry boat on launch day.

No gear, anchors, water, or fuel to balance the boat on its designed waterline and you try to make the boat look like there is some failure on the part of the designer and builder. 

Go fly on a small plane. The pilot will load the gear and the passengers on the ground before takeoff to balance the load in the air. The passengers don't need to think about the weight distribution or why the fat guy has to sit in the front of the plane. 

So you get the Asshole award for starting this thread. Congratulations and I hope you enjoy getting chewed up a few times before this thread goes away. 

You are a cunt and I think you deserve to be called that.

 

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Hey, this is called sailing anarchy, not scratch Bob Perry's back. Don't worry for him, he's a big boy, he will shift some weight forward and upload a photo of the boat floating in her lines pretending that he lost his camera on launch day or something!

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You mean the camera he used to upload photos to fuckbook on launch day? 

Let's do some math here. Couple hundred lurking on SA, a couple dozen posters to the threads.

Fuckbook- thousands of lurkers and thousands of fans. 

I'd post to FB first so thousands could see any mistake and jump all over it. Then to SA when I had time so you, WRONG AGAIN Jerk off Joe Oster the self outer, Underlay and Maybe Wess could get your undeserved digs in.

I think you are a bitter little man...and please upload some more of your work so I can start a thread and rip your shit apart. Please start with that roof concept on the M5 building. It will Not pass my litmus test no matter what. And that building you worked on was pretty ugly overall. But, we were nice to you and said nice things about it. You get no more sympathy from me.

Your mountain woman must be proud to be your mate, being that you are such a nice person that is respectful of other people's efforts and desires. Show her you work here, she'll be impressed with the way you spend you free time

And when the boat is loaded and sits on its lines as we all know it will, you will cry foul and pout in your weak French way. But you won't say it in German thanks to my grandfathers and their buddies!

PS. You still don't understand the math behind the project or boat balance and loading at all. Autocad will never teach you the fundamentals and you will refuse to learn as you have for your lifetime. It was painful to follow you on the other thread as RKoch schooled you on the basics. He can't hold your hand and teach you everything your wrong about; which is pretty much everything. 

None of this has anything to do with BP,  you are just fucking stupid troll, and really good at it.

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Lotta butt hurt over posting a screenshot from a boat thats clearly a bit off her lines

 

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4 hours ago, Panoramix said:

 

Pano, Pano, this was not good. i.e. for you it is not good.

Here you have been going all yesterday, thinking very hard how you can be nasty. And this is what you came up with?

I am so sorry for you.

//J

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3 minutes ago, Jaramaz said:

Pano, Pano, this was not good. i.e. for you it is not good.

Here you have been going all yesterday, thinking very hard how you can be nasty. And this is what you came up with?

I am so sorry for you.

//J

No, that's just balancing. I read all the character assassination crap in CA this morning, it made me sick and I just decided that I should keep the mob busy elsewhere. For the time being it is rather successful as they have spent a fair amount of time typing long winded posts. I am such a snowflake, I think that even proa fans and steel boat builders deserve some respect.

Any caption to contribute? I met some Swedes and I know for a fact that you have some sense of humour over there.

 

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47 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

I think that you need to attend some anger management sessions.

Nope - just needs to read less stupid ignorant shit from little people like you.

Show us pics of 5 or 10 of your perfect designs as built - no need for hundreds.

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4 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Nope - just needs to read less stupid ignorant shit from little people like you.

You love shooting the messenger don't you? 

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What exactly is the message?

That a partly loaded boat is a bit out of trim?

Jeez - whooda thunk it?

You're a genius to have noticed it when no-one else did.

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1 hour ago, bplipschitz said:

Oooo!  oooo!  I have a caption!

 

'PANO'S UNDOING'

I think that has happened a long time ago. :D

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Poorly conceived, questionably executed, low value undertaking that's painful to the eye and the pocketbook delivers predictably poor result, apparent to all, except those obsessed with the Emperor's New Clothes.

If you can't see this for the piece of shit it is, you seriously need to spend time in a 12-step program for kool-aid.

These things should be as humiliating to those who own and designed them as is this.YACHT-1.jpg

 

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21 hours ago, Panoramix said:

You love shooting the messenger don't you? 

You should lay of the cheese mate. You seem very bound up.

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Moon knows all about humiliation - he is constantly humiliating himself.

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9 hours ago, LB 15 said:

You should lay of the cheese mate. You seem very bound up.

I prefer cheese to kool-aid. 

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It's posts like Panoramix's here that make designers and builders so reluctant to have public launchings.

Here's what the boat looked like today:

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I'd caption that "Level."

 

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5 hours ago, seabell said:

Level, fat-arsed and graceless.

So, pretty much like you.

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13 hours ago, seabell said:

Level, fat-arsed and graceless.

Tits and the door, you classless Southern Hemisphere sock!!!

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22 hours ago, Great Red Shark said:

I dunno.   looks nice to me.   Not my bag of chips personally,  but then - it wasn't made for ME !

 

I really like it for exactly what it is. It looks like a classic old cruiser, but I bet it’s quick. I’m not a fan of stern hung rudders or the split cabin top, but I’m not writing the checks. I bet the owner loves it. I imagine it’s pretty fun to work with someone like Bob on a quirky project like this. 

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On 20/09/2017 at 1:28 AM, Somebody Else said:

It's posts like Panoramix's here that make designers and builders so reluctant to have public launchings.

Here's what the boat looked like today:

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I'd caption that "Level."

 

Bob is everywhere on SA advertising his work for free, a little picture will not change this one way or the other, he will always show what he wants us to see. 

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4 hours ago, Panoramix said:

Bob is everywhere on SA advertising his work for free, a little picture will not change this one way or the other, he will always show what he wants us to see. 

this is just an idiotic response. Bob Perry has very generously shared the design process on SA and CA. To call that advertising is rather farfetched - there is hardly anyone at CA/SA who is a potential customer to BP. 

What you are doing is undermining designers interest to share their designs in this open way. That is your achievement Pano. Congrats!

Happy now? More you want to destroy for others?

//J

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Panotard.....stop fisting yourself.     Very little is as enjoyable than building your custom yacht and for Bob and his client to share in this manner is a bloody gift  to all of us.   What other designer /  client  offers this exposure to the great unwashed poverty stricken masses of  SA  lampreys ?    None.    Thx Bob  for my morning fixes.

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On 9/19/2017 at 7:59 PM, Great Red Shark said:

I dunno.   looks nice to me.   Not my bag of chips personally,  but then - it wasn't made for ME !

 

 

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On the one hand whatever made Pano so bitter makes me want to feel empathetic toward him.  Then I think, what for?  Fuck him.  A wise person once said; "Bitterness is the highest form of flattery."

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3 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Whatever shred of respect I had for Pano was erased by this thread. Bitch whine complain.

Yes, something like this. Now he is of no interest whatsoever. //J

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4 hours ago, Jaramaz said:

this is just an idiotic response. Bob Perry has very generously shared the design process on SA and CA. To call that advertising is rather farfetched - there is hardly anyone at CA/SA who is a potential customer to BP. 

What you are doing is undermining designers interest to share their designs in this open way. That is your achievement Pano. Congrats!

Happy now? More you want to destroy for others?

//J

I think that you are a bit naïve. Whether it is the bikini girls who spend time and money to upload sailing videos so that you can watch them for free or google who build data centres so that you can have free e-mail, they don't do it just for you, they might not charge you but they expect something to (eventually) happen in return. There is nothing wrong with this, nevertheless you can comment negatively on the girl tits or on google services as long as you want and it won't stop them doing it because they are not actually doing it for you. In a similar way, Bob would be stupid to stop posting his photos, there is absolutely no risk that he does this. It is also not true that others architect won't chime in, for instance Erik Lerouge has contributed a lot on Hisse-et-ho.com

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I don't often commission four cutters at the same time...but when I do...I prefer Bob Perry."

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8 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Whatever shred of respect I had for Pano was erased by this thread. Bitch whine complain.

I forgot when was the last time you showed a shred of respect....

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32 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

I think that you are a bit naïve. Whether it is the bikini girls who spend time and money to upload sailing videos so that you can watch them for free or google who build data centres so that you can have free e-mail, they don't do it just for you, they might not charge you but they expect something to (eventually) happen in return. There is nothing wrong with this, nevertheless you can comment negatively on the girl tits or on google services as long as you want and it won't stop them doing it because they are not actually doing it for you. In a similar way, Bob would be stupid to stop posting his photos, there is absolutely no risk that he does this. It is also not true that others architect won't chime in, for instance Erik Lerouge has contributed a lot on Hisse-et-ho.com

But Pano, this isn't what this is about. It is about *you.*
Your post says a lot about you--not about Bob Perry.

What it says about you is embarrassing.

That is the point.

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^^ typo. it's hisse-et-oh.com, and it's Eric LeRouge - catamaran designer. website is French and looks like it was put together in frontpage in 1992.

As to the 4CC thread and the others that Bob contributes to, I think it takes a lot of guts to put your work out there, not hiding behind a screen name, knowing that everyone will have an opinion. Free advertising? Maybe, but I'll bet the Ed will let Bob know when he should buy an ad. Otherwise, between this, the sliver project, and the WLYDO that gave us the FT10, there's been a whole lot of great porn and a whole lot of insight into the ways in which every boat is a compromise. Wish I could afford Bob's services, but in the meantime I am glad he's a crotchety old bastard with a thick skin.

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2 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

P.S. Erik Lerouge. Who is that? Never heard of him. Ever. Also that website you cited does not exist.

 

I mistyped.

http://www.hisse-et-oh.com/articles/1233-erik-lerouge-50-ans-de-voile

You might not know him but I didn't know Bob before coming here. Lerouge is a legend here for his 1980s catamarans which were really ahead of their time.

6 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

But Pano, this isn't what this is about. It is about *you.*
Your post says a lot about you--not about Bob Perry.

What it says about you is embarrassing.

That is the point.

It is as much about me as it is about Bob, once of my very first interaction with Bob, I pointed out nicely that he was mistaken about stuff that he had written about bending moments in rudder stocks ( that was structure 101), instead of admitting he started calling me names. I make my livelihood designing structures which seem to stand up the test of time and it is the wrong topic to bullshit me on. You can't expect respect from others and be arrogant at the same time.

The boat out of its lines was quite funny and I couldn't resist the temptation, Bob had been going on and on for months how he could make super precise weight studies, was bragging in all threads about the launch and suddenly went very quiet.... Some time ago I actually offered him to stop the bickering, he refused and keep making disparaging remarks about me, what goes around comes around...

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Well, that is childish.

Show me the money:

You point me to this argument about rudder stocks.
I will note that Bob does not do engineering and he says so.

As for the weight study well, that boat looks pretty proper to me. When you launch before you've finished putting everything in her, she won't float on her lines.

Do you know how to do a "super precise weight study" of a custom yacht? Do you know why Bob is far more likely to get close results than you are? I know why.

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You can't expect respect from others and be arrogant at the same time.

I have no dog in this fight, but that sentence struck me as odd. 

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Oh,, yes, Erik Le Rouge:

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Here, in civilization, his name is Erik Röde, father of Leif Eriksson who was the first (well, but from here then) to travel to what we now know as America, via Iceland and Greenland. 

Why in heavens Pano has to refer to him ... 

More seriously, Pano, Fast is very accurate. This is about you. This thread, these comments. Not Bob Perry. You have embarrased yourself. You try to hid behind a lot of words now, that doesn't work. Shame on you!

//J

 

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37 minutes ago, Jaramaz said:

Oh,, yes, Erik Le Rouge:

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Here, in civilization, his name is Erik Röde, father of Leif Eriksson who was the first (well, but from here then) to travel to what we now know as America, via Iceland and Greenland. 

snip

//J

 

Haha

Farley Mowat blew my mind in Westviking https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2150867.Westviking

Because he asserts or whatever that Irish Celts had been there before him--that he knew a route from previous journeys.

All fascinating mists of time stuff.

I think I need to read this later:

https://thecuriouspeople.wordpress.com/2014/01/15/when-a-favorite-writer-has-been-bs-ing-you/

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Farley Mowat is a known prankster, and creator of tall tales........... Which he tells very well.

Read "The Dog Who Wouldn't Be", for instance.

 Much better than "Never Cry Wolf", although I found that to be very amusing as a child, as well.

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2 hours ago, Rejected said:

is this panotard taking over for brent swain ?

I think Proa has that one locked down.

Pano is his understudy.

 

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51 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

Farley Mowat is a known prankster, and creator of tall tales........... Which he tells very well.

Read "The Dog Who Wouldn't Be", for instance.

 Much better than "Never Cry Wolf", although I found that to be very amusing as a child, as well.

"The Boat Who Wouldn't Float" is probably his most appropriate work for this crowd.

His best (and most truthful) line was "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story".

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45 minutes ago, port tack said:

Well that escalated quickly.

You obviously haven't been in Cruising Anarchy for a while. This has been festering for some time.

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On 9/21/2017 at 7:26 PM, fastyacht said:

Well, that is childish.

Show me the money:

You point me to this argument about rudder stocks.
I will note that Bob does not do engineering and he says so.

As for the weight study well, that boat looks pretty proper to me. When you launch before you've finished putting everything in her, she won't float on her lines.

Do you know how to do a "super precise weight study" of a custom yacht? Do you know why Bob is far more likely to get close results than you are? I know why.

It is indeed very childish, but who do you think has a problem, is it the man who got banned from other forum for his behaviour who keeps getting into trouble online with different person or the one who find himself in this position for the first time? The reality is that I tried several time to end the feud and it never worked because Mr Perry has too big an ego to stop. I even tried to stop unilaterally and he kept doing his silly digs poking the dog with a stick like he says. Look if you are not convinced, the mob has already chosen its next victim :

On 9/21/2017 at 10:53 PM, SloopJonB said:

I think Proa has that one locked down.

Pano is his understudy.

 

As for the boat not being on her lines being normal, come on, do you really believe this? Even me - who now tend to avoid to read the Bob Perry threads - was aware that there was an upcoming launch, he was even boasting that he was already preparing his camera for the occasion. Why do you think that he went suddenly quiet? If it had been normal he would have posted photos in many threads like he always does. It isn't such a big deal, they will move stuff forward but I am sure that something was wrong, chances are that it is not even Bob fault but his crowd is so paranoid that they went ballistic just for showing the photo....

I now can't have a discussion here without having the mob on my back, I might as well play from time to time. The personal attacks were quite fun to read, these guys have imagination.

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When I read Pano's posts I think; "There are none so blind as those who cannot see."

 

I have an idea Pano, why don't you get a great big big cup of STFU.

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On 9/21/2017 at 8:01 PM, Jaramaz said:

Oh,, yes, Erik Le Rouge:

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Here, in civilization, his name is Erik Röde, father of Leif Eriksson who was the first (well, but from here then) to travel to what we now know as America, via Iceland and Greenland. 

Why in heavens Pano has to refer to him ... 

More seriously, Pano, Fast is very accurate. This is about you. This thread, these comments. Not Bob Perry. You have embarrased yourself. You try to hid behind a lot of words now, that doesn't work. Shame on you!

//J

 

Even if Drakkar were fast our Erik Lerouge would have outsped them :

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He was ahead of his time, a cruising boat according to Mr Lerouge in the 1970s:

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Note the relatively light displacement and fin keel now common on cruising boats

The cruising catamaran according to him in the early 80s:

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Note again how he was ahead of his time. He isn't as well known as people like finot, Fauroux or Berret, I don't think that he even tried his hand at IOR boats, he stuck to cruising boats and small series, he certainly contributed to modern designs.

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18 minutes ago, soak_ed said:

 

I have an idea Pano, why don't you get a great big big cup of STFU.

In your dreams, get some cheap polish vodka, that will calm you down my dear.

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Having a bit of free time over the last two days, I went through the Carbon Cutter thread.  What I gathered is there's this really knowledgeable and respected dude named Bob Perry who very generously opened up the design and build process for a really impressive commission.  He of course was under no obligation to, but in doing so, a lot of people gained  insight into the thought and process of building a custom yacht.  The boat(s) turned out beautifully, and even people who wouldn't have picked that style for their own admitted it.

 

And this this dude Panoramix starts a completely unnecessary mud slinging thread which ultimately paints himself as a total jackass.

 

Does that sound about right?

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5 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

In your dreams, get some cheap polish vodka, that will calm you down my dear.

I prefer an old Bordeaux or Burgundy if you don't mind.  I really don't care for any vodka.

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32 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

 

As for the boat not being on her lines being normal, come on, do you really believe this?

 

Pano, I design boats for a living.

 

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6 minutes ago, olshitsky said:

Having a bit of free time over the last two days, I went through the Carbon Cutter thread.  What I gathered is there's this really knowledgeable and respected dude named Bob Perry who very generously opened up the design and build process for a really impressive commission.  He of course was under no obligation to, but in doing so, a lot of people gained  insight into the thought and process of building a custom yacht.  The boat(s) turned out beautifully, and even people who wouldn't have picked that style for their own admitted it.

 

And this this dude Panoramix starts a completely unnecessary mud slinging thread which ultimately paints himself as a total jackass.

 

Does that sound about right?

You nailed it.

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25 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

Pano, I design boats for a living.

 

I know, but why do you think the promised photo didn't arrive? Why did people go ballistic for showing the photo if it was normal?

30 minutes ago, olshitsky said:

Having a bit of free time over the last two days, I went through the Carbon Cutter thread.  What I gathered is there's this really knowledgeable and respected dude named Bob Perry who very generously opened up the design and build process for a really impressive commission.  He of course was under no obligation to, but in doing so, a lot of people gained  insight into the thought and process of building a custom yacht.  The boat(s) turned out beautifully, and even people who wouldn't have picked that style for their own admitted it.

 

And this this dude Panoramix starts a completely unnecessary mud slinging thread which ultimately paints himself as a total jackass.

 

Does that sound about right?

Bob might be able to draw nice boats but he isn't a white as you seem to think, he loves nastiness.

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35 minutes ago, olshitsky said:

Having a bit of free time over the last two days, I went through the Carbon Cutter thread.  What I gathered is there's this really knowledgeable and respected dude named Bob Perry who very generously opened up the design and build process for a really impressive commission.  He of course was under no obligation to, but in doing so, a lot of people gained  insight into the thought and process of building a custom yacht.  The boat(s) turned out beautifully, and even people who wouldn't have picked that style for their own admitted it.

 

And this this dude Panoramix starts a completely unnecessary mud slinging thread which ultimately paints himself as a total jackass.

 

Does that sound about right?

Naahh - he's just being picked on by the mob.

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I haven't met Bob in person, but I agree as to his generosity in opening up not only this design project, but the FRANCIS LEE project. This takes time, and time is his stock and trade. I am not putting him forward for canonization, but he has been a very positive, welcoming presence on this forum. He provided me with encouragement in my renovation project.

He knows his stuff, has worked hard, is confident in his ability and was brave enough to pursue the career he loved. I respect the hell out of that.

Pano and a few others seem to have a problem with that. They must live a constipated, petty existence. They should consume more fiber. Maybe Pano is "fighting for what he lacks most."

Hmmm... Saint Robert Tulalip. Has a nice ring to it.

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I love it. Pano starts a thread to talk shit, then claims it’s Bob who won’t let things go. 

Some people just aren’t quite right in the head. 

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On 9/21/2017 at 2:33 AM, Panoramix said:

Bob is everywhere on SA advertising his work for free, a little picture will not change this one way or the other, he will always show what he wants us to see. 

That's ok Pano - I just think it makes it look like you are clutching at straws to wipe your ass with.

edit: but I forgot to add it looks like instead the straws didn't work so now your hands are covered in it.

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4 minutes ago, Monkey said:

I love it. Pano starts a thread to talk shit, then claims it’s Bob who won’t let things go. 

Some people just aren’t quite right in the head. 

Not what I meant, he won't let go so I might as well talk shit to use your words.

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13 minutes ago, dfw_sailor_wannabe said:

That's ok Pano - I just think it makes it look like you are clutching at straws to wipe your ass with.

edit: but I forgot to add it looks like instead the straws didn't work so now your hands are covered in it.

You should take lessons from your master, he actually knows how to be mean.

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That was just an example of the rethoric, I put "loser" in the search function, it could have been another word, let's try another insult, like Trump,  Bob seems to love "little guy"

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Pano, have a dish of beans and some prunes for dessert. Then get a life. Sheesh!

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44 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

Not what I meant, he won't let go so I might as well talk shit to use your words.

I reportted BS' antickes and requetted he be flicte.  Youre probleme mabey withe me.

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1 hour ago, Panoramix said:

Not what I meant, he won't let go so I might as well talk shit to use your words.

Dude, you perpetually make yourself look like a little bitch. It’s almost sad to see someone thrive on failure the way you do. 

You started this thread, not Bob. We are all laughing at you. 

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All this because of one distorted photo being misused by a childish person with empathy issues ?     Damn,   SA  should be studied  by the military.

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