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hello .. if you had an unlimited budget and looking to commission a brand new ocean racing yacht in the 50 - 70 ft range who would you go to today ? 

i am looking forward to seeing the responses 

 

 

 

 

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By 'ocean racing' do you mean real ocean races or coastal races like the Hobart that people that don't know any better call ocean races? It will effect the answer...

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Fully crewed? Relatively shorthanded? Going for a fast handicap boat (planing like a big TP52) or a slow handicap boat (like a swan)? Comfortable or uncomfortable? Professional crew or amateur? 

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Marc Lombard or Finot Conq. 

 

Either way you want an actual naval architect who will look at the hull, deck layout and interior. 

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2 hours ago, Bob Perry said:

Mark Mills. Great guy, good talent, he'd be a ball to work with.

 

This. 

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     Rob Shaw from NZ

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Given the unlimited budget, and looking for a single hull pitched at the classic 600's with a Transpac added in for fun I'd opt for the original Team New Zealand style approach.

 

Farr, Reichel-Pugh and Bill Lee (for a giggle). Jam them all together under a blanket, and wait for a set of plans to be handed back out.

 

Farr as they've got an excellent record in those 600 mile classics. R/P as they know how to draw a fast shape and refine it over a full life cycle (ignoring the obvious issues they had with Loki, Limit and the other boats in that 63' range). Both of those parties are also comfortable reaching for the DSS solution if it's applicable. And Bill Lee because fast is fun, and you need someone who'll encourage the other two design offices to let the tiger off the chain... just a little....

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I love all these people suggesting designers after one or two lines from the prospective owner. He didn't ask us to make a list of all designers alive today. And the owners preferences will definitely sway the answer in favor of a couple designers. Give it time. 

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On 20/09/2017 at 8:29 AM, rfullarton said:

hello .. if you had an unlimited budget and looking to commission a brand new ocean racing yacht in the 50 - 70 ft range who would you go to today ?

The OP was "who would you choose" not "please recommend".

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On 9/20/2017 at 3:29 AM, rfullarton said:

hello .. if you had an unlimited budget and looking to commission a brand new ocean racing yacht in the 50 - 70 ft range who would you go to today ? 

i am looking forward to seeing the responses 

 

 

 

 

Fastyacht.
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11 hours ago, JL92S said:

Probably Shaun Carkeek, or Nivelt Muratet

Hell No, the scale button on his photocopier doesn't work too well beyond 52ft.

Evidence: the Carkeek 60 Ichi Ban, total dog.

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On 9/20/2017 at 5:29 PM, rfullarton said:

hello .. if you had an unlimited budget and looking to commission a brand new ocean racing yacht in the 50 - 70 ft range who would you go to today ? 

i am looking forward to seeing the responses 

 

 

 

 

Today? I'd have no choice but to wait a year or two and have my kid do it.

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Dibley of NZ

 

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Adolfo Carrau (Botin Partners), Merf Owen and the team at ST Yacht for their proposal.

ST (Doug Schickler, Davide Tagliapetra) have done some pretty out of the box projects which show promise, Merf probably has more twin rudder projects than almost anybody else and Botin basically has the fastest hull shapes in the TP52 (and probably the Maxi72 as well) plus did same amazing stuff in their early days in the IMS fleet (boats that would actually be OK to sail) and Camper was actually a very nice and fast all-round VO70 just lacking the tune-up time against some of the others.

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Well, nottrying to be silly, but how about looking at the recent winners of these races and see who the 'real' designers are. I quickly looked at the key 600 milers (SH, MiddleSea, Fastnet, C600) and the recent Transpac. Far and away the biggest winner (won 3 of the 5 events this year) is the Cookson (Farr) 50. The largest podium finisher with TP and minimax is Vrolijk.

Key designers by count in the top 10 of each event:

Vrolijk, Farr, JuanK, Ker, Elliott, Mills, R-P, Lee, Rogers, j-boats and a few odd others

I may have made a few minor errors, but not wanting to spend too much tim. Looking at the real world is probably as good as or better than just asking at the bar!

 

 

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VPLP IMOCA style VO70, cuts why the fuck not, give it a HB 'tache not a dali, inflatable/soft wing sail and see the records fall.

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On 21/09/2017 at 1:33 AM, SCANAS said:

Dennis Denuto. I had lunch with him today & mentioned your brief. He's keen. 

Yep...cuz

it’s Mabo, it’s justice, it’s law, it’s the vibe and aah no that’s it, it’s the vibe.

I rest my case.

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On 9/20/2017 at 5:29 PM, rfullarton said:

hello .. if you had an unlimited budget and looking to commission a brand new ocean racing yacht in the 50 - 70 ft range who would you go to today ? 

i am looking forward to seeing the responses 

 

 

 

 

Last years RORC yacht of the year was the seriously competitive Archambault A13m (43') Teasing Machine 1 which has since been sold and replaced with a new Nivelt / Muratet 55' Teasing Machine 2, about to debut in the Middle Sea Race. The same design team have also just launched an upgraded version of the 43 which looks awesome and if it rates like the previous TM, will be one to fear. You could do worse than to have a chat to those guys.

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On 20.9.2017 at 10:29 AM, rfullarton said:

hello .. if you had an unlimited budget and looking to commission a brand new ocean racing yacht in the 50 - 70 ft range who would you go to today ? 

i am looking forward to seeing the responses

With unlimited budget just hire all of them, to make sure they will do no work to anyone else anymore (no time to do so). Don't forget to buy all carbonfibre in the market as well to prevent any improvement by the others.

Have them look at each others plans once finished and rate them, but not once own design.

Build several boats from the plans with highest ratings.And select the fastest by real world sailing tests with the best crews money can buy.

You gonna have to inform all of the designers under what rating system you intend to race at the beginning of the project, as well as the timeline, how long for research&design and building until the boats must be ready to sail?

After doing all that, you will wonder what was the point in the first place, other than spending all that money.

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I would hire Sam Manuard, in fact in the past I already have.  He is one of the most talented designers (and underrated) of our generation.  He actually sails as well as designing, so knows what you need when ocean racing. PM me if you want to talk about it.

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This thread reminds me of the 'which porn star would you bang if you could' Polls that pop up on this other forum I ..... Wait.

Forget I said that.

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it is a fantasy question but wondering about the change of guard in designers ... farr and R&P barely mentioned 

but agree cookson 50 has had many handicap wins 

i assume today you would need to choose the designer that has the best results with foils ... 

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Do not worry. They always leave me out. 12 Meter. Admiral's Cup, One Ton. Transpac. Free standing. Wood, steel, aluminum, composite, black stuff. Anything that floats. Surprising that after 50 years I am still designing and almost more than ever.

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On 9/21/2017 at 3:11 AM, Rail Meat said:

I have been very happy with Merf Owen and Owen Clarke Design 

Agree, technically strong and very easy to work with.

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On 22/09/2017 at 1:51 PM, timber said:

Dibley of NZ

 

Thanks Timber. 

More than ready. There are those that go for the established names for the standard safe results and then there are the Mavericks of this world that take the chance (but a safe chance - not a Brent Swain chance) and can get a game changer.....

 

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No offence, but Frers, Bieker, and whatever the nonsense that Dashew was coming up with while he was still sailing. 

 

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No offence, but you lost me at 'no' :)

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7 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

Do they do racers?

Never.  But, we should give them a chance.  They are new to this business of boats.  lol.

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7 minutes ago, MauiPunter said:

Never.  But, we should give them a chance.  They are new to this business of boats.  lol.

I know that they used to but in the past 15 years I've only noticed Wally, production boat and superyacht from them. Feel free to correct me, I may have missed some...

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13 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

I know that they used to but in the past 15 years I've only noticed Wally, production boat and superyacht from them. Feel free to correct me, I may have missed some...

Their team has won almost every major yachting trophy possible.  If called upon ($$) their team could design something special.  Their latest projects are where the money is. 

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17 minutes ago, MauiPunter said:

Their team has won almost every major yachting trophy possible.  If called upon ($$) their team could design something special.  Their latest projects are where the money is. 

They certainly are very competent but things change quickly and it is hard to stay at the edge, for instance when was their last volvo race boat or even bespoke boat for offshore IRC racing? How many people left the office since the glorious years?

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1 hour ago, Panoramix said:

They certainly are very competent but things change quickly and it is hard to stay at the edge, for instance when was their last volvo race boat or even bespoke boat for offshore IRC racing? How many people left the office since the glorious years?

Not sure, but German Sr is still there and he was the main designer through the glory years and continues to be involved in all aspects of the design.  They also have a naval architect whose specialty is rating optimizations for ORC and IRC.  Would be interesting to see what they could produce if given the job.

 

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So what happens if all restrictions on rating systems are thrown out?

Many of the designs are purpose built to a shape "optimized" by the numbers.

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Has to be Juan k for the upper limit. his exploitation of the Volvo rule was pretty fucken riky'tik. Rambler 88 is a great boat, still to reach full potential.. Plus if it does go tits up, he can blame his brother.

Nice to Police Car with it's mast up.

 

 

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