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Hate to piss in your cereal but I had a Cherokee in the early 90's   Biggest piece of shit automobile I ever owned.  Lousy mileage, no interior space, tons of wind noise on the highway, and it began falling apart before I was off the lot at the dealer.   I've been a mini-van guy ever since.

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5 minutes ago, Serge A. Storms said:

Hate to piss in your cereal but I had a Cherokee in the early 90's   Biggest piece of shit automobile I ever owned.  Lousy mileage, no interior space, tons of wind noise on the highway, and it began falling apart before I was off the lot at the dealer.   I've been a mini-van guy ever since.

I've had very good luck with every Jeep I've owned.(97 Cherokee, 95YJ, 06TJ). However I have had the worst luck with the Hondas I've owned (2012 Crosstour, 2012 250hp Outboard, 1999 VT1100 C3 bike) All have left me stranded and costs big $$ to fix. One could not hand me a Honda for free unless it was a lawnmower.

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Serge, you're pissing in 25yr old cornflakes there.

To assert that Jeep's (or any carmaker's) product from 25 or even 10 years ago is an indication of their current product is nonsense.   They've all done quality and they've all done crap at one time or another, each model must be evaluated on its own merits. 

Furthermore, if you bought a cherokee for the mileage or the interior space, or the quiet highway ride you plainly bought the wrong car.    The "falling apart before I was off the lot at the dealer" was also a well known trait in that era.   If you didn't know what you were buying it was because you didn't want to know.

 

I dunno if I dig that 2018 wrangler redesign.    I do know that I'd buy my 06 LJ back in a heartbeat.   I should've sold the boat and kept that car.

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I wish I could find the photo of my old diesel Mercedes headlight-deep in water towing a dead Jeep home :lol:

I also noted the Wrangler NEEDS the 4WD, it blows in snow in 2WD mode.

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Check out Boothy's Facebook page, he got one of those old Willys Jeeps on the road, first time on the road in "nearly 35 years." That man is a damned genius with bringing old engines back to life.

He gave me the step-by-step plan for getting my old 1975 Fiat Spider running again, I haven't started it since 1990, so many things that I would have missed, he's like a Amadeus Mozart of old engines.

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1 hour ago, PuffyJman said:

I've had very good luck with every Jeep I've owned.(97 Cherokee, 95YJ, 06TJ). However I have had the worst luck with the Hondas I've owned (2012 Crosstour, 2012 250hp Outboard, 1999 VT1100 C3 bike) All have left me stranded and costs big $$ to fix. One could not hand me a Honda for free unless it was a lawnmower.

Your Honda experience surprises me - I've put over 300K on every honda vehicle I've owned (well, my old Sabre only had 65K on it when I sold it) - I'm waiting for the Jeep pickup w/the eco-diesel.  I may have to break down and buy Chrysler again if that comes to fruition. 

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absolutely love my Jeep Wrangler, 150 K on it now. driven it to FL a couple times through mud/snow and anything else you can think of. 

I have had Ford and Chevy trucks both have needed more work and sooner than the Jeep. 

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LOL yep they are definitely not speed demons. 

my dog loves riding in the back with the seat taken out so she has plenty of room. 

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There really is a lot to the statement "It's a Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand." Yes, they're underpowered, they handle like bricks, overpriced, uncomfortable, boxy, unreliable ... just about every negative attribute that can be applied to a car applies to Jeeps, particularly older ones. But ... I love 'em. Built up several Wranglers and Cherokees and thoroughly abused them. The aftermarket parts available and things you can do to them are just plain fun. And for some reason, used ones are so overpriced that they tend to be worth putting the time and money into.

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My TJ is very comfortable because I threw the back seat away and bought some brackets that move the driver seat and the passenger seat rearward about 4 in.

I'm 6'4"

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Using my girlfriends jeep to move a few things...we.re not together anymore BTW......

 

  FYI..jeep trans not going into drive from 2nd.. after a lot of searching for the correct answer on the internet and many wrong info...bad trans, need rebuilt, pump..and tons of other mis-information..  finally discovered it was a relay in the fuse box... 

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On 9/21/2017 at 0:38 AM, the_abandoned_brane said:

Soon. 2018

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That's a Jeep for people who want to "pretend" to own a Jeep.  A/C, cruise control, hardtop, stereo, etc....

 

This is a Jeep

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agree. I ordered my Jeep because everything on the lot was A/C, Auto, hard top etc.

Young salesman I ordered from said I don't understand what you're ordering. old guy walks by and says "oh a "real" Jeep" LOL

no PW, PL, A/C or auto in mine. 

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First Jeep an 85 CJ-7, off the lot with 400 miles, $ 8500.00, Inline 6, put over 250 K miles on it, even stock would go places most couldn't. Unfortunately, this was about the time the EPA started cracking down on emissions, and the motor was re-designed with a computer controlled/metered carb, vacuum lines out the wazoo, solenoids, etc. 

Grand Wagoneer (woody), Cherokees and Grand Cherokees also in the mix...

Venture a guess on the 2018 price tag approaching 45K...?

Rumor that the Chinese were considering buying the Jeep Brand, ouch!

 

  

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On 9/21/2017 at 7:27 AM, captpiratedog said:

 

Unless I'm mistaken, that's about the only motor vehicle the OP should be eligible to operate... sorry AB, and I'm no saint, but didn't you just get out of the can for multiple DUI's??   I mean I guess you could drive the elephant in the room....

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47 minutes ago, Owen said:

Unless I'm mistaken, that's about the only motor vehicle the OP should be eligible to operate... sorry AB, and I'm no saint, but didn't you just get out of the can for multiple DUI's??   I mean I guess you could drive the elephant in the room....

ah , sorry, I feel like a dick.  I won't bring it up again.  

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That ain't a Jeep.

I had a (Never should have sold it) 1953 M38a1 that was unstoppable. I took the Cooper cross country tires off of it for that reason..... It wouldn't stop in the snow. After I put regular M/S 10 ply radials on it (7.5X34/16) It was a great driving car, as long as you didn't want to go over 45-50MPH, which I didn't. When we moved to the Caribbean, I seriously considered bringing it, but the import duty on a vehicle that old was insane. When we moved back to the states, I tried to buy it back from the guy who bought it from me..... He'd replaced the distributor cap..... I sold it to him for 2.4K, and he wanted 12K.... Needless to say I'm still Jeepless.

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17 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

That ain't a Jeep.

I had a (Never should have sold it) 1953 M38a1 that was unstoppable. I took the Cooper cross country tires off of it for that reason..... It wouldn't stop in the snow. After I put regular M/S 10 ply radials on it (7.5X34/16) It was a great driving car, as long as you didn't want to go over 45-50MPH, which I didn't. When we moved to the Caribbean, I seriously considered bringing it, but the import duty on a vehicle that old was insane. When we moved back to the states, I tried to buy it back from the guy who bought it from me..... He'd replaced the distributor cap..... I sold it to him for 2.4K, and he wanted 12K.... Needless to say I'm still Jeepless.

I had a JC3B

could have bought another house with what I DUMPED in it

bought it stock, wore it out put a Buick V6  +++++++++++ Everyfucking thing I could do to it

I could put the towbar onto something and unlock the hubs on all 4 wheels

It's Not that I'm Not a Jeep Guy

I'm Not a coil spring auto roll over and die jeep guy

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Loved my JK when I had it, and wouldn't mind picking up another.  Miss that thing.

 

And, in response to an earlier post, I'm sorry but life is too short to drive a minivan.

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3 hours ago, sailho said:

First Jeep an 85 CJ-7, off the lot with 400 miles, $ 8500.00, Inline 6, put over 250 K miles on it, even stock would go places most couldn't. Unfortunately, this was about the time the EPA started cracking down on emissions, and the motor was re-designed with a computer controlled/metered carb, vacuum lines out the wazoo, solenoids, etc. 

Grand Wagoneer (woody), Cherokees and Grand Cherokees also in the mix...

Venture a guess on the 2018 price tag approaching 45K...?

Rumor that the Chinese were considering buying the Jeep Brand, ouch!

 

  

Base price will be around $27k. Not too bad, Dana designed new axles for it. And yes it's a jeep, is your car not a car because it has roll up windows? 

I'm picking up a basic one, with only cruise and a/c. 

Owen, you are a dick, having said that I never made it to the can, 90 day rehab for me, year license suspension. 

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5 hours ago, avenger79 said:

agree. I ordered my Jeep because everything on the lot was A/C, Auto, hard top etc.

Young salesman I ordered from said I don't understand what you're ordering. old guy walks by and says "oh a "real" Jeep" LOL

no PW, PL, A/C or auto in mine. 

I get the no frills for a lighter weight and reliability, however I love an auto transmission especially when I rock crawl. The JK Rubicon is the best factory crawler to date. If I didn't need a Diesel truck for work I would have one as a daily driver.

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7 minutes ago, PuffyJman said:

 I love an auto transmission especially when I rock crawl. The JK Rubicon is the best factory crawler to date.

Adgreede, a tottalle nessesitey, burneng up cluches is foure newbiese.            :)

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I'd  love to have that new Jeep and I get it with an automatic transmission with cruise control. The only real pain in the ass with my TJ is driving long distance without cruise control

I've got a 4.0 5-speed. You actually have to give it throttle to go downhill. 15 miles per gallon is all you're going to get

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2 hours ago, the_abandoned_brane said:

 

Owen, you are a dick, having said that I never made it to the can, 90 day rehab for me, year license suspension. 

I'll own that and be stuck with this:                               

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Godspeed on your progress, either auto or stick.  

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We have been testing 3 of the 2018 JLs for nearly a year now.  Some good stuff.  Some not so good.  Some interesting power train options forthcoming.  More windshield rake and stop/start to help with fuel economy.

 

MS

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Check out Rick Booth's Facebook page, he got an old Wileys Jeep on the road, after being stored for 35-some years.

That man is the Amadeus Mozart of bringing old engines back to life.

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2 hours ago, Mr. Squirrel said:

We have been testing 3 of the 2018 JLs for nearly a year now.  Some good stuff.  Some not so good.  Some interesting power train options forthcoming.  More windshield rake and stop/start to help with fuel economy.

 

MS

What auto transmission are they using ?

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3 hours ago, Mr. Squirrel said:

We have been testing 3 of the 2018 JLs for nearly a year now.  Some good stuff.  Some not so good.  Some interesting power train options forthcoming.  More windshield rake and stop/start to help with fuel economy.

 

MS

How does that start/stop gadget work with manual? Is the side vent functional?  Is.... oh nevermind.... 

 

Spies say an 8 speed automatic and 6 speed manual.

The "not so good" sounds ominous.

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Will any new Jeep (or any other brand 4x4)

Be able to navagate parkinglot speedbumps

At anything better than a snails pace as most all do anymore

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I cant go into specifics.  The 3 we have are early prototypes so they have had some teething issues.  All 3 are Autos so I cant speak to Stop/Start in the manual.

 

MS

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some prefer auto some prefer manual. I have wheeled the hell out of a lot of vehicles with clutches, I enjoy it. I do not however do a lot of rock crawling. For that I am sure an auto would be better.

some people get into a lot of trouble wheeling with auto though as they suddenly punch it and away it goes. LOL 

 

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20 hours ago, Mr. Squirrel said:

I cant go into specifics.  The 3 we have are early prototypes so they have had some teething issues.  All 3 are Autos so I cant speak to Stop/Start in the manual.

 

MS

 

So, the ZF 8-speed then. Got it. Thanks :D

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I can't wait for the truck next fall. Im hoping they stick with a manual option, a real low range, Dana 44 front axle option. But I really want some load capacity and ability to tow my J80. 

I just hope that it's reliable. Big and probably impossible shoes to fill with current yota in reliability.

 

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On 9/22/2017 at 8:03 PM, Dorado said:

I'd  love to have that new Jeep and I get it with an automatic transmission with cruise control. The only real pain in the ass with my TJ is driving long distance without cruise control

I've got a 4.0 5-speed. You actually have to give it throttle to go downhill. 15 miles per gallon is all you're going to get

You must’ve been hyper miling! My TJ got 14 mpg city or highway. I still had the five speed, but at least I had cruise control. Oddly, it would quit working when I got caught in heavy rain without a lid. I think the cruise control was the only thing that wasn’t waterproof. It would work again once it dried out. 

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Dyson has announced plans on building a cleaner electric SUV with interchangeable parts that will enable the driver to go from urban clean driving mode to dirt mode. In dirt mode , Dyson promises that even the softest of sugar sand, the dustiest of dust, the wettest of mud cannot stop the power of the Dyson Cleaner Energy CarImage result for Dyson

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18 hours ago, Cape_taco12 said:

I can't wait for the truck next fall. Im hoping they stick with a manual option, a real low range, Dana 44 front axle option. But I really want some load capacity and ability to tow my J80. 

I just hope that it's reliable. Big and probably impossible shoes to fill with current yota in reliability.

 

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That, in a 4 door, w/the Eco Diesel? (especially if Chrylser would get off it's butt and offer the unlimited mileage warranty option for the diesel-powered vehicles) I'd be in line to buy one.   I put 45K miles a yr on my main driver - the original factory warranties are useless - I need something that'll go for 300K, hence my habit of buying Hondas and Subarus. 

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On 9/26/2017 at 1:40 PM, Cape_taco12 said:

I can't wait for the truck next fall. Im hoping they stick with a manual option, a real low range, Dana 44 front axle option. But I really want some load capacity and ability to tow my J80. 

I just hope that it's reliable. Big and probably impossible shoes to fill with current yota in reliability.

 

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I have bad news for you - late 2019 at the soonest as a 2020 model.

 

MS

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On ‎9‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 7:08 PM, the_abandoned_brane said:

Base price will be around $27k. Not too bad, Dana designed new axles for it. And yes it's a jeep, is your car not a car because it has roll up windows? 

I'm picking up a basic one, with only cruise and a/c. 

Owen, you are a dick, having said that I never made it to the can, 90 day rehab for me, year license suspension. 

With the price of the units I've seen on the lot lately, I figured the 2018 would be over 40K. Love to see Jeep come out with a bare bones model, one where you remove a piece of carpet and hose it down...

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JEEP.

Just Empty Every Pocket

Junk Each Every Part

That having been said I have a particular love-hate relationship with Jeeps.  I've made a lot of money on them over the years and if it wasn't for Jeep I probably wouldn't be doing much of anything these days. 

 Just saying the future doesn't look bright. You have an old bone you hold onto that. Fixing oil leaks is easy. 

The hallmark of Wrangler, in the past, has been simplicity. That won't happen this time.

Remember guys ... It's FIAT now. 

Fix It Again Tony..:-)

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On 9/28/2017 at 8:48 AM, Cape_taco12 said:

Damn, I thought I read a release in oct for some reason.

edit: I blame these guys lol. https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/first-2019-jeep-scrambler-pickup-jt-wrangler-video/

JL will be unveiled at the Los Angeles auto show next month.  It will go on sale in early 2018.  I believe you can place orders at your local Jeep dealer for one now though.  The truck, JT, is NOT launching at the same time as JL.  It used to be a 2019 model and is now a 2020 model year vehicle - if they dont kill it before then.

Same goes with powertrain options.  You will only be able to get the 3.6L Pentastar at launch.  If you want any of the other engine options you will have to wait - maybe as long as 12-18 months.

MS

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1 hour ago, Mr. Squirrel said:

JL will be unveiled at the Los Angeles auto show next month.  It will go on sale in early 2018.  I believe you can place orders at your local Jeep dealer for one now though.  The truck, JT, is NOT launching at the same time as JL.  It used to be a 2019 model and is now a 2020 model year vehicle - if they dont kill it before then.

Same goes with powertrain options.  You will only be able to get the 3.6L Pentastar at launch.  If you want any of the other engine options you will have to wait - maybe as long as 12-18 months.

MS

Aww nuts but thanks for clarifying. That’s a long time to wait. Maybe i will have to decide between a Ford pickup and a JL 4dr with a Trailer.

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had an 86 Cherokee that had a snow detector in it.. whenever it would snow, the 4 wheel drive would crap out.

have a 97 wrangler that is a piece of crap, but I can't kill it.. mounted a hitch on the front and use it as a trailer tug tomove boats around my yard .    can't bring myself to sell it

 

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I'm not a Jeep fan, but I am a fan of their bumper stickers......

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Have a friend at the dog park whose two-year old diesel grand cherokee died so hard in the driveway it had to be dragged, wheels locked, onto the flatbed.  That's not so crazy in these keyless entry days, and warranty and time took care of it  (still sucks of course).  However, he also told me that they found a new breakfast joint up the coast one day when the car said, "Please continue driving the vehicle" because it was doing something and was not supposed to stop during the process.  Maybe he was just fucking with me...

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Hey guys. Been gone a while. Had to tell this Jeep story though. (Screenname used to be On The Hard)

Bought a '08 Grand Cherokee new. Salesman tells me it has a lifetime warranty on the drivetrain. I asked "mine or Chrysler's"?  He wasn't amused

anyway in the last 9 years I've gotten a completely new free engine and a new transmission about a month ago 

im waiting for them to offer me any car on the lot if I will just give the SOB back

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No way, they want you to keep breaking that one and bringing it back so they can charge the Mothership for the repair.

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On 9/23/2017 at 12:59 AM, the_abandoned_brane said:

How does that start/stop gadget work with manual? Is the side vent functional?  Is.... oh nevermind.... 

 

Spies say an 8 speed automatic and 6 speed manual.

The "not so good" sounds ominous.

Got a new box of special tools the other day. All manual transmission stuff so I guess the Mercedes 6 speed is out. Also new transfer case tools so there's that. 

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So they finally, officially unveiled the new 2018 Jeep Wrangler at the LA Auto Show.  The good news is that means I am no longer bound by the NDA.  :)

We put about 60,000 combined miles on JLs over the last 18 months.  All of ours had the 2.0L turbo 4 cylinder (GMET4).  The biggest recurring issue we had was the start/stop system kept frying the starter motors.  We probably went through 10 starters over the course of our testing.  Our vehicles were early prototypes (VP-A) so maybe they have sorted out the issue by now.

I am hoping to drive a release version this week or next
MS

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On 11/6/2017 at 1:50 PM, Owen said:

However, he also told me that they found a new breakfast joint up the coast one day when the car said, "Please continue driving the vehicle" because it was doing something and was not supposed to stop during the process.  Maybe he was just fucking with me...

It was probably doing a regen on the diesel particulate filter. The car basically dumps fuel into the fuel canister and burns off the soot accumulated. If that filter clogs, he'll be out $3K. Best to do what it says.

I'll never buy a modern diesel. Too much complexity.

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14 hours ago, Dorado said:

What kind of mpg are you getting? 

Can the start /stop function be turned off? 

Let me check our numbers when I am in the office.  Our work was ALOT of traffic driving so YMWBB (you mileage will be better).  You can turn off the Start/Stop with a button on the dash, but they asked us not to.

 MS

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21 hours ago, the_abandoned_brane said:

I'm liking the sport. 

 

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Comes straight from the factory with dent decals... :rolleyes:

 I suppose if I won one in a raffle I might keep it, but it ain't no M38a1.

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On 11/6/2017 at 2:50 PM, Owen said:

Have a friend at the dog park whose two-year old diesel grand cherokee died so hard in the driveway it had to be dragged, wheels locked, onto the flatbed.  That's not so crazy in these keyless entry days, and warranty and time took care of it  (still sucks of course).  However, he also told me that they found a new breakfast joint up the coast one day when the car said, "Please continue driving the vehicle" because it was doing something and was not supposed to stop during the process.  Maybe he was just fucking with me...

any word on what killed the fucker?

we got the 2014 diesel GC when it came out.  at 1k miles, the high pressure fuel pump imploded, i guess bosch ended up re-designing it.  we've now gone 46k without any issues.  But just yesterday the thing started flashing all these warnings, telling me that i needed to drive at highway speeds as soon as possible due to some exhaust filter shit??!  i didnt get to the highway in time and now it says that it needs to be serviced, the exhaust filter is 100% full.  strange.  needed to bring it back to the dealer anyway because the dumb fucks at kendall jeep didnt reset the oil change meter (i dont think it can be reset manually...).

are there any decent jeep dealers in south florida? we have the prepaid oil changes, and the truck is still under warranty... 

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diesel particulate filter?  do you think the fucker will still respond to the highway speeds and clean itself? accelleration seems a bit limited now, i assume the computer is forcing that

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It's in limp mode. It won't clean itself. Have them check your turbo while it's in. It's variable vane and they can get f'ed in that situation.

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On 11/5/2017 at 10:11 AM, Bump-n-Grind said:

had an 86 Cherokee that had a snow detector in it.. whenever it would snow, the 4 wheel drive would crap out.

 

I had an s15 jimmy with one of those too. 

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anyone have a new JL 4 door?

Getting tired of waiting for the truck. May end up going with the 4door and landscaping trailer. My boat (J80) is basically right on the towing capacity with trailer not that I plan on towing much farther than the .5miles to my house. A weight distributing hitch will probably solve any issues if it have to hit the highway. 

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It ain't the weight distribution that determines tow limits, it's the transmission and diff life.

Don't tow past the stated limits much or at all or you will be formally introduced to Big Bill.

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On 9/21/2017 at 7:12 AM, Figment said:

Serge, you're pissing in 25yr old cornflakes there.

To assert that Jeep's (or any carmaker's) product from 25 or even 10 years ago is an indication of their current product is nonsense.   They've all done quality and they've all done crap at one time or another, each model must be evaluated on its own merits. 

Furthermore, if you bought a cherokee for the mileage or the interior space, or the quiet highway ride you plainly bought the wrong car.    The "falling apart before I was off the lot at the dealer" was also a well known trait in that era.   If you didn't know what you were buying it was because you didn't want to know.

 

I dunno if I dig that 2018 wrangler redesign.    I do know that I'd buy my 06 LJ back in a heartbeat.   I should've sold the boat and kept that car.

i agree that it's not necessarily an indication of build quality, but it's 100% an indication of design quality, or the lack of it.

Vehicles are almost never redesigned from the tires up with the passing years and models. They are a continuum. The crappy design decision that someone made in the way a strut is fitted and compressed for example, may have been okay when the vehicle had a straight six in it, and lots of steel in the frame, but it's not necessarily the right design choice when the vehicle has a V8 with a lot of plastic and impact foam. But these design decisions often move from year to year like bloody hijackers, because it's often way too expensive to redesign a key part, due to the ripple of parts and service methods that will be impacted by it ... move the connection point to that strut the three inches forward where it needs to be to prevent torquing the drivetrain in body flex, and suddenly you have to move some other connections, change some other design specs for safety, then go back to the safety testing, back to consumer research to find out how the new body shape (which might have to accommodate the different connection) then plays with the customers.

So they just leave things alone often times unless there is a pressing need to change things. In general, it's much easier to bolt new stuff onto a vehicle than to move old stuff around. These engines don't just have to move the vehicle, they have to be amenable to profitable service schedules, they have to be reasonably workable that the service techs can figure them out, that they use materials that don't risk supply interruptions. When you change one thing, you often then have to change a hundred things, so things tend to persist, they tend to be left alone. And we then look at this drivetrain of 2018 and convince ourselves that it's wildly different from the drivetrain of 1998, but once you take off the plastic covers, and computer controls and sensing for things like timing and variable cylinder, and other advanced safety and performance enhancements, you often are left with a lot more like the original vehicle, than different.

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15 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

It ain't the weight distribution that determines tow limits, it's the transmission and diff life.

Don't tow past the stated limits much or at all or you will be formally introduced to Big Bill.

I learned long ago at my old marina in Kingston, NY, that a manual transmission with even a weak frame and a weak engine, can move an astonishing amount of mass with minimal failure. The kid at the Hideaway used to use a little Geo Tracker with a ball mount on the front (for convenience) and a wheezy little 1.6 liter four-banger engine to move around every boat in that yard, regardless of weight.

It's the automatic transmissions, that need the cooling, the parts hardening and the extra thermal mass.

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3 hours ago, DA-WOODY said:

 

See man, you can't have this kind of fun in California. You can have some sweet ass cougars show up wearing a hat, yeah.

But drunk Baptist chicks in mud, half-drowned straight-sixes, the preacher's daughter handing you a Natty Ice ... anyone here who doubts that Tom Ray just has a shitload more fun than the rest of us, need only look at this video to have that kind of nonsensical thought demolished. And I'll bet even money that they had that Cherokee running by the time the crawfish was done in the boil.

Hey Normy, how do y'all keep them gators out of that little slice of heaven?

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3 hours ago, mikewof said:

See man, you can't have this kind of fun in California. You can have some sweet ass cougars show up wearing a hat, yeah.

But drunk Baptist chicks in mud, half-drowned straight-sixes, the preacher's daughter handing you a Natty Ice ... anyone here who doubts that Tom Ray just has a shitload more fun than the rest of us, need only look at this video to have that kind of nonsensical thought demolished. And I'll bet even money that they had that Cherokee running by the time the crawfish was done in the boil.

Hey Normy, how do y'all keep them gators out of that little slice of heaven?

pretty sure they mash em up runnin through all day

looks like Lots of Fun walking around that spot I'll give ya that

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4 hours ago, mikewof said:

See man, you can't have this kind of fun in California. You can have some sweet ass cougars show up wearing a hat, yeah.

But drunk Baptist chicks in mud, half-drowned straight-sixes, the preacher's daughter handing you a Natty Ice ... anyone here who doubts that Tom Ray just has a shitload more fun than the rest of us, need only look at this video to have that kind of nonsensical thought demolished. And I'll bet even money that they had that Cherokee running by the time the crawfish was done in the boil.

Hey Normy, how do y'all keep them gators out of that little slice of heaven?

And yes...  ( I didn't watch it all, but he has it running.)

 

 

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On 9/30/2018 at 12:50 PM, SloopJonB said:

It ain't the weight distribution that determines tow limits, it's the transmission and diff life.

Don't tow past the stated limits much or at all or you will be formally introduced to Big Bill.

Not worried about the drivetrain. The same motor 3.6 is used in the Durango which has a higher towing capacity. Rear end is a Dana 44 which has been used in millions of cars and trucks. I suspect the neutered towing capacity is related to something else but maybe im wrong. A Durango can tow 6k plus while the 4dr wrangler is at 3500. 

Dunno if it’s the hitch mount, brakes, convertible top or what. 

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On 12/1/2017 at 3:35 AM, the_abandoned_brane said:

I'm liking the sport. 

 

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Glad to see you back. How was it?

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Well giving JEEP another shot

Ya Bitchin 

Ain't no one ever gunna steal the o2 sensors without the rest of it

But it's All about performance ... eh

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After MUCH MUCH research Amazon delays and feeding the Dealer Parts staff I am now a  Jeep Commander 4.7 V8 emissions Black Belt 

When you bring yer vehicle to a knowable/honesr shop they charge $150 / hr to learn what part went bad

You could easily spend  $500 for really easy simple thing or $1,500 and get a few thing replaced one at a time with testing after each

I said Fuck Dat and spent about $600+ and replaced ALL Emission parts except the Cats

Results = Runs like a Champ, Great Power, Great Mileage, Smooth Shifting, steady idle And Sounds Great

Each Part made a difference.  I picked the Brain of Cal BAR technicians asking and learning the subtleties of the emission/parts/ computer relationship (my computer was fine)

Mopar is a picky bastard only happy w OEM parts ... but that includeS Denzo/NGK as the manufacturer of a bunch of MOPAR OEM 

But ya youall just buy new vehicles and have shop do whatever

Mine Blew through Smog yesterday and I shall pick up my plates on Monday @ AAA

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A Jeep Commander?

They haven't made those for what, 10-15 years?

Will it pull your boat? 

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50 minutes ago, Windward said:

A Jeep Commander?

They haven't made those for what, 10-15 years?

Will it pull your boat? 

My '98 Infinity QX4 w V6 4x4 Pulled my Woody just Fine. This is Much more stable w a V8 AWD Bigger (than stock off ' a Wragler) tires ..it's more of a truck. 

I have been trying to figure out where in the food chain the Commander actually is.  It's roomier than a Grand by far.  It's Trail rated because it came with the little thingie that says so

At the Frisco AC in 2013 I slept in back of the QX4 this is WHEY ROOMIER and gets Much better mileage... not as Luxurious (leather etc) and no sunroof  All Up Running like New with Fresh OEM Emissions Everything that talks to the computer I'm in it about $4K even ....about what you put down to lease a new one whete EVERYTHING Costs MORE

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Just Empty Every Pocket. Just Expect Every Problem.

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On 10/2/2018 at 12:48 AM, Cape_taco12 said:

Not worried about the drivetrain. The same motor 3.6 is used in the Durango which has a higher towing capacity. Rear end is a Dana 44 which has been used in millions of cars and trucks. I suspect the neutered towing capacity is related to something else but maybe im wrong. A Durango can tow 6k plus while the 4dr wrangler is at 3500. 

Dunno if it’s the hitch mount, brakes, convertible top or what. 

Probably wheelbase.

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9 hours ago, austin1972 said:

Probably wheelbase.

The 2" hitch receiver on the Commander looks to be JB-Welded on

Great Weight Saving by only incorporating the actual receiving bit and sum flanges to attach to the unibody

Will be looking into some kind of REAL FRAME-ATTACHED HitchReceiver as U-Hall sells (but better deal)

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Forgot to mention I picked up a hitchhiker along the way

 

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The new Gladiator looks nice. Tows pretty good for their Pentastar V6 engine. 

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