DtM 172 Report post #1 Posted September 27, 2017 As requested, thread for this great race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knut Grotzki 7 Report post #2 Posted September 28, 2017 Lets walk across the Atlantic http://foil-magazine.com/mini-6-50-arkema-3-foil/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knut Grotzki 7 Report post #3 Posted September 28, 2017 I can do this as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huey 2 17 Report post #4 Posted September 28, 2017 October 1 Start http://www.minitransat.fr/en Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
random 622 Report post #5 Posted September 28, 2017 6 hours ago, Knut Grotzki said: I can do this as well Wow, what a great shot. The foil looks big enough for the boat to trip over in the right conditions though. And the outrigger brace going through the hull side (underwater on the lee) looks like trouble and drag to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Potter 506 Report post #6 Posted September 28, 2017 1 hour ago, random said: Wow, what a great shot. The foil looks big enough for the boat to trip over in the right conditions though. And the outrigger brace going through the hull side (underwater on the lee) looks like trouble and drag to me. Firstly, that is an IMOCA 60 so not sure why it is showing here. More to the point of your post, the deck spreader stay is actually quite high off the water line, so even when heeled it is only drag when you are overpowered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
random 622 Report post #7 Posted September 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, Potter said: More to the point of your post, the deck spreader stay is actually quite high off the water line, The black bracing line ... through the hull Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longy 35 Report post #8 Posted September 28, 2017 That's what he's talking about. Standard set up in IMOCA's for 20 odd yrs or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonas a 27 Report post #9 Posted September 28, 2017 So what's the odds? Who is the favorite this time around. How fast is ARKEMA? They would need some good publicity after their Texas disaster Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jack_sparrow 2,993 Report post #10 Posted September 29, 2017 This would have been a more appropriate man-on-foil pic to post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serioladumerili 1 Report post #11 Posted September 29, 2017 Sunday up to 20 kts and rain https://www.yr.no/place/France/Poitou-Charentes/La_Rochelle/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
staysail 88 Report post #12 Posted September 29, 2017 8 hours ago, jack_sparrow said: This would have been a more appropriate man-on-foil pic to post. ...and we all thought it was the leward foil that produced righting moment! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 129 Report post #13 Posted September 29, 2017 Favorites are meant to be Ian Lipinski, Jörg Riechers, Erwan Le Méné. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
staysail 88 Report post #14 Posted September 30, 2017 What with 81 boats this year I could find no easily understandable list of boats and skippers. The Mini web site has a "Les Skippers" page and it does show the information but you can only fit 6 at a time on one pc screen display! For anyone like me who wants to be able quickly to see who is sailing which number boat you need a simple spreadsheet list, so I have sorted one out and attach a copy for anyone who wants it. Mini Transat 2017_1.xlsx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeoV 137 Report post #15 Posted September 30, 2017 B Sineau (915) is high on my list too. But Lipinski has it to lose it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serioladumerili 1 Report post #16 Posted September 30, 2017 FRA - 53 ITA - 6 ESP - 6 GER - 4 SUI - 4 CRO - 2 BEL - 1 CZE - 1 IRL - 1 NED - 1 ROM - 1 THA - 1 no sailors from GBR and USA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 129 Report post #17 Posted September 30, 2017 3 hours ago, serioladumerili said: FRA - 53 ITA - 6 ESP - 6 GER - 4 SUI - 4 CRO - 2 BEL - 1 CZE - 1 IRL - 1 NED - 1 ROM - 1 THA - 1 no sailors from GBR and USA Wow, not even a single Brit, strange ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 706 Report post #18 Posted October 1, 2017 WTF, start at 6 am ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
staysail 88 Report post #19 Posted October 1, 2017 Dont know where you got that one from Fiji, but I am in La Rochelle and I see the attached on my screen just after 11 am local French time, so start time here is 16.00. Boats are towed out of the Bassin Chalutier starting at 13.15 local time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serioladumerili 1 Report post #20 Posted October 1, 2017 is there any live coverage? edit: sorry, I found the info Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 706 Report post #21 Posted October 1, 2017 Just now, serioladumerili said: is there any live coverage? Website http://www.minitransat.fr/en/news/follow-start-practical-information says: "Live broadcast on the website www.minitransat.fr " ??? and also: ""Follow the start on the social networks The departure from the pontoon and the race start can be followed via the Mini Transat La Boulangère’s social networks Twitter: @MiniTransat2017 Facebook: Mini Transat La Boulangère Instagram: minitransatlaboulangere "" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 706 Report post #22 Posted October 1, 2017 Just now, Fiji said: WTF, start at 6 am ? WTF indeed ! Changed my computer time and voila, the time is shown correctly... So anyone not on GMT +2 will get the wrong message, French web developers... LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
staysail 88 Report post #23 Posted October 1, 2017 Voila! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knut Grotzki 7 Report post #24 Posted October 1, 2017 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knut Grotzki 7 Report post #25 Posted October 1, 2017 Has anybody found any live coverage of the start? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
staysail 88 Report post #26 Posted October 1, 2017 A few photos of boats leaving the basin. I can't find any live coverage either, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 129 Report post #27 Posted October 1, 2017 it is live on facebook right now : https://www.facebook.com/pg/CollectifRochelaisMiniTransat/videos/?ref=page_internal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knut Grotzki 7 Report post #28 Posted October 1, 2017 Arkema looking impressive. Close hauled not their easiest course... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
staysail 88 Report post #29 Posted October 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, yl75 said: it is live on facebook right now : https://www.facebook.com/pg/CollectifRochelaisMiniTransat/videos/?ref=page_internal Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 129 Report post #30 Posted October 1, 2017 So is Arkema in fact the only boat with foil on this edition ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
staysail 88 Report post #31 Posted October 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, yl75 said: So is Arkema in fact the only boat with foil on this edition ? Yes I think so. Watched them all leave the basin and listened to the commentary. I took a photo of each (all 81 I think!) so can look closely and/or post a photo of any boat you are interested in if you have the number, boat name or skipper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 502 Report post #32 Posted October 1, 2017 51 minutes ago, yl75 said: So is Arkema in fact the only boat with foil on this edition ? No. Simon Koster is sailing in proto class as well - #888. Foil, T rudders and kanting keel. Edit: he may have abandoned that configuration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 129 Report post #33 Posted October 1, 2017 44 minutes ago, staysail said: Yes I think so. Watched them all leave the basin and listened to the commentary. I took a photo of each (all 81 I think!) so can look closely and/or post a photo of any boat you are interested in if you have the number, boat name or skipper. Thanks for that, I guess next edition will be all foils for the protos Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serioladumerili 1 Report post #34 Posted October 1, 2017 I have read that Coster ditched the foils? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Puntone 14 Report post #35 Posted October 1, 2017 The tracker is runing well http://www.minitransat.fr/suivi-de-la-course/cartographie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knut Grotzki 7 Report post #36 Posted October 1, 2017 Erwan le Mene on ROUSSEAU CLOTURES is leading beating againt the wind - the hullform with moderate angles helps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serioladumerili 1 Report post #37 Posted October 1, 2017 Well, Erwan took different course, Just him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 129 Report post #38 Posted October 1, 2017 Wow, major option taken by Erwan le Mené !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serioladumerili 1 Report post #39 Posted October 2, 2017 Matteo Rusticali dismasted 444... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
staysail 88 Report post #41 Posted October 2, 2017 Anyone know if the MiniTransat rules now allow skippers to access the web freely or shore-based help, for weather info and weather routing advice? The weather patterns in the Bay of Biscay look really complex between now and wednesday and weather routing tomorrow could be the deciding factor for this leg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slim 20 Report post #42 Posted October 2, 2017 E‐21‐d‐1 Any request for assistance at sea to third parties (cargoships, support boats….), other than medical, is forbidden. However, competitors are allowed to ask for weather reports, except to the support boats. E‐21‐d‐2 Radio assistance between competitors regarding the following points is allowed: ‐ Weather information communication ‐ Weather synopsis analisis ‐ Medical assistance ‐ Psychologic assistance ‐ Technical assistance ‐ Communication of the positions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeoV 137 Report post #43 Posted October 2, 2017 No phone, no pc allowed onboard, vhf, little radio and that is it. oh and top of luxury, battery operated barometer is allowed. it is still early, in proto class, between 1 placed and 23, now 18 miles difference, that is more then one proto mini a mile , and around 40 series in that mix too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panoramix 140 Report post #44 Posted October 2, 2017 For the time, being North seems to pay. It's a shame for Arkema 3, he looks to be late to tack like many and we might not see a speed test between him and the fat nose boats. If the front doesn't move fast I suspect that there will be a big gap between Southerners and Northeners. So easy to see that from the comfort of my home office with access to grib data, they probably are doing a lot of what ifs in their heads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FRA252 0 Report post #45 Posted October 2, 2017 GO FINOT!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 502 Report post #46 Posted October 2, 2017 The first three days the pretty weather reports and planning still plays a role. By Tuesday it changes how the fleet responds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panoramix 140 Report post #47 Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, FRA252 said: GO FINOT!!! FRA 252 as the Finot design mini? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FRA252 0 Report post #48 Posted October 2, 2017 @ Panoramix yes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panoramix 140 Report post #49 Posted October 2, 2017 Top man! Where are you? Are you doing it all yourself? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FRA252 0 Report post #50 Posted October 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Panoramix said: Top man! Where are you? Are you doing it all yourself? CPH...copenhagen/DK...denmark. yes pretty much all by myself (many thx 2 "MASTER C" the educated boatbuilder & B. 4 the raspberry pi) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panoramix 140 Report post #51 Posted October 2, 2017 Good luck... feel free to start a "rebuild thread" for us mere mortals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slim 20 Report post #52 Posted October 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, Panoramix said: Good luck... feel free to start a "rebuild thread" for us mere mortals. Yeah, please do - and what's a rasp pi got to do with your build? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FRA252 0 Report post #53 Posted October 2, 2017 18 minutes ago, Slim said: Yeah, please do - and what's a rasp pi got to do with your build? 1. "rebuild thread" in plans ... as a blog 2. "rasp pi" ... electronics hAck NOW back 2 the race ... GO FINOT!!! PROTO 667 & POGO 518 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FRA252 0 Report post #54 Posted October 2, 2017 667***8TH 518***53TH GO FINOT!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Dumas 201 Report post #55 Posted October 2, 2017 So that little 7 mile port tack early turned into a 4 mile lead pretty quickly by getting inside the lift for Erwan and Ian. But the big payoff is coming next when they get +10 knots and a 30 degree lift in the next few hours...blastoff! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 202 Report post #56 Posted October 3, 2017 How many foiling boats in this race? Who are the bigger names on the foilers also? Sorry for my ignorance, haven't been following the build up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haligonian Winterr 0 Report post #57 Posted October 3, 2017 2 hours ago, terrafirma said: How many foiling boats in this race? Who are the bigger names on the foilers also? Sorry for my ignorance, haven't been following the build up. Only Arkema to the best of my knowledge. 888 was originally built with foils, although constrained by old rules, but sailing with classic boards this race. There were a few Protos in past years that were experimenting with T Rudders for pulling the stern down (like i14s) rather than overall lift. HW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haligonian Winterr 0 Report post #58 Posted October 3, 2017 Allez Jorg! 934 in 9th Scow bows 3 - 865 Lipinski 9 - 934 Riechers 16 - 888 Koster 17 - 900 Arkema HW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonas a 27 Report post #59 Posted October 3, 2017 The women seems to be doing well. Clarisse Crémer 3rd in serie and Charlotte Méry 8th in proto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
schakel488 55 Report post #60 Posted October 3, 2017 Sander van Doorn. (only dutch contestant) Is still in the race in the serie division. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knut Grotzki 7 Report post #61 Posted October 3, 2017 Zigzag - Costly Adventures - when you get sleepy and don´t notice a windshift (or have no instruments to assist). Have a closer look at the tracks.The big light blue one - Ian Lipinski of Griffon. Early to tack north, then a short "Crazy Ivan" until he realized the wind would shift anticlockwise. Lucky guy - otherwise he would have been doomed. When his track crossed the rhumbline he was late again to tack.Tacking takes until you have shifted everything to the new windward side ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panoramix 140 Report post #62 Posted October 3, 2017 Finally it looks like the wind will fill from behind. Good news for those who didn't get the timing of the tack right. They will go dead downwind, that's bad news for Arkema who needs reaching conditions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeoV 137 Report post #63 Posted October 3, 2017 Go Lombard, in other words Le Mene, boat nr 800. Old style design. It normallygets funny after Finesterre, who gets there first is normal golden, but sometimes the leader thinks he is mid fleet or worse But now they have AIS and I do not know how that influences that. Good article from Lizzy about food, tactics, weather etc http://no-frills-sailing.com/minitransat-solo-sailing-with-skipper-lizzy-foreman/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knut Grotzki 7 Report post #64 Posted October 3, 2017 Ah, finally 9pm with the updated tracker. What we have now is two groups. South leader is orange Keni Piperol on Proto 8th with the Northern Group of green Erwan Le Mene Proto1st and blue Ian Lipinski Proto 2nd and a tiny bit to the northeast Jörg Riechers (Go! Go! Go!) the German favorit as Proto 3rd. Will it pay out for southern Keni? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FRA252 0 Report post #65 Posted October 3, 2017 the game is ON! GO FINOT!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serioladumerili 1 Report post #66 Posted October 3, 2017 Me think same distance, same wind strength, just wind angle will count. At least to Cap Finistere Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
schakel488 55 Report post #67 Posted October 4, 2017 Sander van Doorn star is rising! Yesterday 21, now in 16 th place. Only 1026.0 nM to go to Las palmas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jack_sparrow 2,993 Report post #68 Posted October 4, 2017 I know many people appreciated my daily update with forecast weather last edition which unfortunately died at the Canary as I got swamped by a project. I know I sound like Clean with his many podcast promises that never appear but I will try and do the Canary to the finish this time around along the same lines. Go the Minis..Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DtM 172 Report post #69 Posted October 4, 2017 Thanks Jack Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panoramix 140 Report post #70 Posted October 4, 2017 The front runners managed to make a bit of a break. It's quite fair considering that they got their tacks right in the bay of Biscay but Ian Lipinski will be really hard to catch up now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FRA252 0 Report post #71 Posted October 4, 2017 GO FINOT!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeoV 137 Report post #72 Posted October 4, 2017 Yep, and Simon Koster and a few others (but a bit less so) had their personal windline around Finesterre, almost double the speed of others just a few miles apart. ps, do not forget the statistics page in the tracker, hit the menu icon top rightish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Dumas 201 Report post #73 Posted October 4, 2017 It's gonna get real interesting in the 2-4 day timeframe from now. The leaders will be tempted to stay with the pressure as it continues to build in the west and a big hole develops on the rhumbline. Like 200 miles of line at less than 5 knots windspeed. Getting across the hole to the left side of the course seems required as the hole slowly moves offshore. If the leaders get stuck banging the corner to the right, whoever gets across the hole and picks up the new pressure to the left could pass the whole pack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serioladumerili 1 Report post #74 Posted October 4, 2017 what about Andrea Fornaro - 931 Sideral? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Dumas 201 Report post #75 Posted October 4, 2017 Erwan jibed, off 30 degrees and is bleeding miles to Ian, but I like his strategy. If the forecast holds, he'll be able to sneak across the hole in 36-48 hrs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
r.finn 28 Report post #76 Posted October 4, 2017 "I sure do wish Ian would stop going 12 knots." -Entire fleet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jachtař 3 Report post #77 Posted October 4, 2017 Good to see Pavel Roubal doing well, and too bad Milan Koláček has different plans at the moment, would have been good to see him in the mix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeoV 137 Report post #78 Posted October 5, 2017 Man, Lipinsky already doing 250 miles in 24 hrs, damn he is good. RFinn, last 4 hrs even 12 knots VMG, that dude rocks. He must be and a good sailor and have the physical and mental package to suffer like hell and keep pushing, something I lack, so full admiration.( I like my sleep to much to be ever good in it) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JL92S 4 Report post #79 Posted October 5, 2017 Looking at the pictures of the boats leaving earlier in this thread it looks like Lipinski's rig on 865 is bigger than the others? Could be helping in the downwind stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FRA252 0 Report post #80 Posted October 5, 2017 3 hours ago, LeoV said: Man, Lipinsky already doing 250 miles in 24 hrs, damn he is good. RFinn, last 4 hrs even 12 knots VMG, that dude rocks. He must be and a good sailor and have the physical and mental package to suffer like hell and keep pushing, something I lack, so full admiration.( I like my sleep to much to be ever good in it) He's got miles ... https://www.classemini.com/?mode=skippers&id_skipper=634 GO FINOT!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeoV 137 Report post #81 Posted October 5, 2017 Yep experience counts. Two dismastings: This one is good for forum discussions, as we do not have all the information but can wonder why. Do I see two reefs in the main, and a furled code 5 at the moment of dismasting ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeoV 137 Report post #82 Posted October 5, 2017 10 hours ago, Kenny Dumas said: Erwan jibed, off 30 degrees and is bleeding miles to Ian, but I like his strategy. If the forecast holds, he'll be able to sneak across the hole in 36-48 hrs. More ideas Kenny, I like how the leaders split, Erwan starts to look lonely. Erwan will feel the light winds coming up and jibe, but so will Ian. So converging again ? The statistics page with 4 hr speeds tells a lot, nice you can compare sailors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 129 Report post #83 Posted October 5, 2017 Must be really tempting to hide a phone for the weather forecasts ... I guess when passing cape finistere they can get some 3g But it looks like Erwan is really going to get stuck in the wind hole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serioladumerili 1 Report post #84 Posted October 5, 2017 The leading serial boat have a problem? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeoV 137 Report post #85 Posted October 5, 2017 Phone,its tempting, if they find it, lifelong ban FFV. And the class is full of weird stories, so many know everything will get out in the open. Like the guy in the past,who hoisted his liferaft outboard, so now everything is sealed. He too thought he would never be caught. Serio, who ? Remi ? nothing strange to see. One guy airlifted, do not know reason. Qute, racesite: Luca Sabiu (Vivere la Vela). Beset by recurring technical issues since the start, the Italian sailor set off his distress beacon last night and has been airlifted by helicopter to La Coruña by the Spanish Navy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serioladumerili 1 Report post #86 Posted October 5, 2017 Yep, Luca has broken two ribs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
schakel488 55 Report post #87 Posted October 6, 2017 14 hours ago, LeoV said: Phone,its tempting, if they find it, lifelong ban FFV. And the class is full of weird stories, so many know everything will get out in the open. Like the guy in the past,who hoisted his liferaft outboard, so now everything is sealed. He too thought he would never be caught. Serio, who ? Remi ? nothing strange to see. One guy airlifted, do not know reason. Qute, racesite: Luca Sabiu (Vivere la Vela). Beset by recurring technical issues since the start, the Italian sailor set off his distress beacon last night and has been airlifted by helicopter to La Coruña by the Spanish Navy. As a fellow dutchman: Do you follow Sander van Doorn (series 886). He is falling behind at the moment. Yesterday position 16, now 51? What happened? And sorry to hear Luca has broken two ribs, Must be painfull. Good for him he is airlifted. But what happened to his boat? Put on a barch by sea rescue? Or abandoned? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FRA252 0 Report post #88 Posted October 6, 2017 667***12th/PROTO 518***39TH/SERIE POGO3 ...1,2,3!!! GO FINOT!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FRA252 0 Report post #90 Posted October 6, 2017 http://anton.fr/radio/mp3/17-10-05 RADIOCOLUMBUS-7-Minitransat.mp3 GO FINOT!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 129 Report post #91 Posted October 6, 2017 Pogo 3 is a verdier design, not finot (and most probably one guy within verdier team more than verdier) But then Verdier started with Finot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
