Rasputin22 2,548 #2801 Posted September 25, 2019 It looks like it has the stance of a very confident and aggressive wolverine, maybe the native name CARCAJOU would be appropriate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,459 #2802 Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Stingray~ said: Seen on InstaGram today Trainer wheels?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,459 #2803 Posted September 25, 2019 On 9/16/2019 at 5:17 AM, Horn Rock said: You get a pretty good view of the very snub bow in this top shot - yeah it aint pretty. She carries her beam a long way forward and aft as well. So, what's with the reverse shape in the windward skin of the main? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,459 #2804 Posted September 25, 2019 8 hours ago, AUTSail said: Is it just me, or does the Headsail look like a Cableless Jib. wasn't aware that Quantum is ready to make these. just heard about Doyle working on those with Hugo boss? I'll bite. What's a cableless jib? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,063 #2805 Posted September 25, 2019 Off topic but if you are heading to Pennsacola to check out AM this winter there is some stadium sailing starting there. http://www.premieresailingleague.com/2019/09/20/pensacola-to-host-premiere-sailing-league-exhibition-series/ Don't know more than that. Not sure if they will hide the boat or let her strut her stuff. Been thinking of going down sometime to see what's to see if anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geronimo 16 #2806 Posted September 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said: So, what's with the reverse shape in the windward skin of the main? They are coming out of a gybe... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,459 #2807 Posted September 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Geronimo said: They are coming out of a gybe... In this one too? Edit: Sorry, I now see which post you were referring to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salty Seacock 316 #2808 Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, Ex-yachtie said: In this one too? Look away! I'm hideous. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,077 #2809 Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Salty Seacock said: Look away! I'm hideous. Pretty dated design lol Seen it all before. The scow bow sure is not pretty but sure is pretty fast. | Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 804 #2810 Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Priscilla said: The scow bow sure is not pretty but sure is pretty fast. | I don't like the scow bow, not nice looking, not very fast in lots of conditions, however it has the advantage of volume if the foiler falls. Flipper touched the bow and crashed hard, I don't think it would have been the case with the Orca and a scow bow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #2811 Posted September 25, 2019 Another from IG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #2812 Posted September 25, 2019 The ‘white’ visible on the trailing edge of the foil, would that be the full area of the foil wings’ flaps? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,052 #2813 Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Tornado-Cat said: Flipper touched the bow and crashed hard, I don't think it would have been the case with the Orca and a scow bow. More conjecture. Perhaps they were testing what the gp guys call glide, they dump onto a hull prior a maneuver when conditions were in the edge. Perhaps they crashed hard and didn't go under. Your assertion with no evidence is...well so..you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 274 #2814 Posted September 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Another from IG Honestly AM have to put on an Orca style white dot oval thing just under the jib on the side and some eyes at the front and call it a killer whale, it would look so cool. With that. Also there's something VERY dinghy-esque about that jib, like I know it's not sheeted in so it's probably that, but even still.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #2815 Posted September 25, 2019 The Flipper and the Orca? We need a Tiger Shark, and maybe a Minnow! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 47 #2816 Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Ex-yachtie said: I'll bite. What's a cableless jib? Doesn't sit on a regular stay. Doyle have done wonders for Cable less Zeros and staysails, had them on the MOMO, awesome gear. No reason why the jibs can't work, although you would have to look at good luff tension, which detracts from the original Cable less ethos, which was lower luff loads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2Newts 67 #2817 Posted September 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: The Flipper and the Orca? We need a Tiger Shark, and maybe a Minnow! Flipper, Orca, Tuna, and Oil Spill 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #2818 Posted September 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, TANGO QUEBEC said: Doesn't sit on a regular stay. Doyle have done wonders for Cable less Zeros and staysails, had them on the MOMO, awesome gear. No reason why the jibs can't work, although you would have to look at good luff tension, which detracts from the original Cable less ethos, which was lower luff loads. Does AM’s jib look cable less to you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 804 #2819 Posted September 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: The Flipper and the Orca? We need a Tiger Shark, and maybe a Minnow! Some resemblance with the Orca's bow too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,077 #2820 Posted September 25, 2019 40 minutes ago, 2Newts said: Flipper, Orca, Tuna, and Oil Spill Flipper, Orca, Tuna and Kipper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #2821 Posted September 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, Priscilla said: Flipper, Orca, Tuna and Kipper. Flipper, Orca, Sardigna and Kipper 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 274 #2822 Posted September 25, 2019 Sorry, it had to be done. 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #2823 Posted September 25, 2019 Where the San Juan J pod Orca’s love to feast on salmon, off this beach near my place. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 454 #2824 Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Stingray~ said: Where the San Juan J pod Orca’s love to feast on salmon, off this beach near my place. I'll raise you some orca chasing stingrays by the beach in the Waitamata Harbor https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/destinations/nz/83644020 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoom 511 #2825 Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Raptorsailor said: Sorry, it had to be done. Now that is fucking quality abuse of MSPaint 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
See Level 663 #2826 Posted September 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Raptorsailor said: Sorry, it had to be done. Free Willy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.............. 117 #2827 Posted September 26, 2019 I am sure I spoke to Stingray when 17 was launched, and the rig stood up in in Anacortes WA, and many here think he is a Boeing guy, but I think it would be funny if he turned out to be Madro.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,664 #2828 Posted September 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Stingray~ said: The ‘white’ visible on the trailing edge of the foil, would that be the full area of the foil wings’ flaps? Or the helmets on the crew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,664 #2829 Posted September 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Stingray~ said: Where the San Juan J pod Orca’s love to feast on salmon, off this beach near my place. So you had finally had a somewhat clear day? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,664 #2830 Posted September 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, DHFiend said: I am sure I spoke to Stingray when 17 was launched and the rig stood up in in Anacortes WA, but I think it would be funny if he turned out to be Madro.... I like baker... nice backcountry. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoom 511 #2831 Posted September 26, 2019 1 hour ago, DHFiend said: it would be funny if he turned out to be Madro.... WTF is Madro? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.............. 117 #2832 Posted September 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, hoom said: WTF is Madro? Jeff Madrigali Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Offshore 1 12 #2833 Posted September 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Varan said: I like baker... nice backcountry. Fond memories of skiing Mt Baker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwing 279 #2834 Posted September 26, 2019 Off my beach Ocras throw stingrays like Frisbees. I hate the way they play with their food. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alphafb552 340 #2835 Posted September 26, 2019 11 hours ago, Stingray~ said: The Flipper and the Orca? We need a Tiger Shark, and maybe a Minnow! As suggested in the LR thread, we have the Sardine for the Italians. How about Pollock for the Frackers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mozzy Sails 418 #2836 Posted September 26, 2019 59 minutes ago, alphafb552 said: As suggested in the LR thread, we have the Sardine for the Italians. How about Pollock for the Frackers? They're based on the Camber in Portsmouth. The boat needs to be called the Skate. The poetry of big Ben getting inside a massive fat Skate down on the camber in Portsmouth is just too obvious to ignore. Yup, the boat should be called the skate and the team referred to as the skate frackers. It's just too perfect not to be. Google 'Portsmouth Skates Southampton scummers' for full history. Or urban dictionary here 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TANGO QUEBEC 47 #2837 Posted September 26, 2019 14 hours ago, Stingray~ said: Does AM’s jib look cable less to you? It seems to have the 'lens' structure in the Luff similar to the cableless sails have, but I'm not totally convinced it is a cableless jib. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marinecs919 8 #2838 Posted September 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, TANGO QUEBEC said: It seems to have the 'lens' structure in the Luff similar to the cableless sails have, but I'm not totally convinced it is a cableless jib. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buckdouger 235 #2839 Posted September 26, 2019 2 hours ago, TANGO QUEBEC said: It seems to have the 'lens' structure in the Luff similar to the cableless sails have, but I'm not totally convinced it is a cableless jib. Can you elaborate on what this is? There should be a definitions thread somewhere Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
95Terp 16 #2840 Posted September 26, 2019 May be older, but I just saw this one... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,082 #2841 Posted September 26, 2019 6 hours ago, alphafb552 said: As suggested in the LR thread, we have the Sardine for the Italians. How about Pollock for the Frackers? The first two are based upon how the boat looks or the official name. Need to see how the other two boats look before we start naming them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #2842 Posted September 26, 2019 14 hours ago, DHFiend said: I am sure I spoke to Stingray when 17 was launched, and the rig stood up in in Anacortes WA, and many here think he is a Boeing guy, but I think it would be funny if he turned out to be Madro.... Great photo, great memories. I rented a plane the day of DZ’s first sail, was terrific fun up in scenic Anacortes. Visited them later in San Diego too, right after they finished the wing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~HHN92~ 123 #2843 Posted September 26, 2019 36 years ago today Australia II won race 7 to win the Cup over NYYC's Liberty, September 26, 1983. Still brings a tear to my eye... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salty Seacock 316 #2845 Posted September 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Oh yeah. The Hinckley yard is replete with some carefully preserved beauties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2Newts 67 #2846 Posted September 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Stingray~ said: Question about Ground Effect. Looking at Orca in stable flight, it seems that the mid section of the boat is closer to the water than the aft section. For GE to work, wouldn't the stern have to be equal distance to the water or even slightly closer than the area ahead of it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luminary 34 #2847 Posted September 26, 2019 I think you need to consider the longtitudinal cross-section of the deck, not the sheer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwing 279 #2848 Posted September 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, 2Newts said: Question about Ground Effect. Looking at Orca in stable flight, it seems that the mid section of the boat is closer to the water than the aft section. For GE to work, wouldn't the stern have to be equal distance to the water or even slightly closer than the area ahead of it? Ducks don't have flat bottoms and they use GE when flying close to the water, cormorants, swans etc do to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin22 2,548 #2849 Posted September 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Kiwing said: Ducks don't have flat bottoms and they use GE when flying close to the water, cormorants, swans etc do to. Yeah but they have the high aspect ratio of their wings working for them in ground effect. These boats have a very low aspect ratio (or the hull) and don't get the same sort of benefit. A sailplane with 40:1 aspect ratio (or more) can stay in ground effect for miles to make it back to the airfield if the take it right down to the deck with plenty of speed, hopefully a wheat field or the like. They can 'pop up' to clear roads and powerlines and then drop right back into ground effect and keep right on. I think the ground effect is good for up to a distance of your wingspan so a 60' span sailplane just 5' off the ground if getting the full effect. Try that in a dead stick low aspect ratio plane such as a F-104 and see for they get! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 804 #2850 Posted September 26, 2019 32 minutes ago, Kiwing said: Ducks don't have flat bottoms and they use GE when flying close to the water, cormorants, swans etc do to. As flat as possible, not to forget their wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwing 279 #2851 Posted September 26, 2019 Ducks, cormorants etc flap their wings so cant help with GE? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brutal 69 #2852 Posted September 26, 2019 21 hours ago, Raptorsailor said: Sorry, it had to be done. Don't forget the white underbelly... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2Newts 67 #2853 Posted September 26, 2019 57 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said: As flat as possible, not to forget their wings Yeah, so all of these have not only wings but a slight upward orientation. Which makes me think even more that there's limited to no GE on Orca when she's in that nose-down attitude that we see in stable mode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,082 #2854 Posted September 26, 2019 2 hours ago, 2Newts said: Question about Ground Effect. Looking at Orca in stable flight, it seems that the mid section of the boat is closer to the water than the aft section. For GE to work, wouldn't the stern have to be equal distance to the water or even slightly closer than the area ahead of it? Ground effect results from a combination of forces, one of them is "riding on a cushion of air". Typically the vessels that ride on a cushion of sir have downward angle to "trap air" under the wings. I think that is what you are talking about. It can be seen in this video: Ground Effects Vehicles But that is not the only way to achieve ground effect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,386 #2855 Posted September 26, 2019 Ground effect is surely incidental - minimal at best. It's all about foil lift. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwing 279 #2856 Posted September 26, 2019 Actually GE is a shock wave nothing to do with a cushion of air - sorry. That is why speed is a crucial factor the one which I think is the limiting factor. However upwards of 30 knots will mean significant GE effect IMHO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #2857 Posted September 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, Sailbydate said: Ground effect is surely incidental - minimal at best. It's all about foil lift. Yep! Foils for lift and aero-slippery for everything above water. Remember, water is 836 times denser than air, the ‘effects’ are this time again almost all about the foils. My fervent hope is that there will be live readouts and graphics about the foils and flap settings during the racing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 274 #2858 Posted September 26, 2019 I don't see what all the fuss is about ground effect, the aspect ratio of the hull is truly terrible, for the hull to make any meaningful lifting contribution it would have to be going MUCH faster or MUCH lower. Sure they have a little bit of ground effect that will be accounted for but its more of a nice side effect than a meaningful decision in the design process. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwing 279 #2859 Posted September 26, 2019 Ducks don't fly much faster, and NYYC flys pretty close. Sorry GE provides sweet spot where drag is reduced and speed increases. IMHO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #2860 Posted September 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, Kiwing said: Ducks don't fly much faster, and NYYC flys pretty close. Sorry GE provides sweet spot where drag is reduced and speed increases. IMHO. Yes, the water provides an endplate but this hull’s beam isn’t anything like the relative wingspan of the birds or of that glider above. There will be an effect but very minimal. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwing 279 #2861 Posted September 26, 2019 50 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Yes, the water provides an endplate but this hull’s beam isn’t anything like the relative wingspan of the birds or of that glider above. There will be an effect but very minimal. Ducks flap their wings so minimal effect on GE totally providing forward motion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smackdaddy 295 #2862 Posted September 26, 2019 Are we actually talking about ducks now? What is supposed to be bleeding edge race boat technology has become a petting zoo. Nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,063 #2863 Posted September 26, 2019 You missed the pelican. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WindySurfer 11 #2864 Posted September 26, 2019 American Magic is not the only Orca in ground effect. Maybe this was the designers inspiration 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 1,197 #2865 Posted September 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Raptorsailor said: I don't see what all the fuss is about ground effect, the aspect ratio of the hull is truly terrible, for the hull to make any meaningful lifting contribution it would have to be going MUCH faster or MUCH lower. Sure they have a little bit of ground effect that will be accounted for but its more of a nice side effect than a meaningful decision in the design process. I completely agree. I think the idea behind the hull shape is more along the same principles as skipping a stone. Bounce off the water and get back in the air as fast as possible. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KiwiJoker 314 #2866 Posted September 27, 2019 11 hours ago, ~HHN92~ said: 36 years ago today Australia II won race 7 to win the Cup over NYYC's Liberty, September 26, 1983. Still brings a tear to my eye... No ducks or pelicans here. Forgive the digression. Thirty-six years ago! Still seems like yesterday. Lots of great memories. Light air contest. DC appeared to have it locked up. On media boat, scribes scribbling or snoozing but no one watching.. On Aussie tender on our starboard bow, only the driver visible on the bridge. An Aussie popped out on the after deck to check on things. Suddenly pandemonium. The Little White Pointer had had sailed into fresher breeze on the Rhode Island shore and was back in the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rh3000 1,468 #2867 Posted September 27, 2019 @smackdaddy you seem to be pining for attention so I'll throw you a bone mate... Based on the dimensions on which you've determined your attraction to SGP I'll save us all the trouble and let you know in advance the AC is not for you. The sailing won't be "exciting" enough for you. The app won't be "good" enough for you. The boats won't be "fast" enough for you. The event won't be "important" enough for you. The views won't be "high" enough for you. The threads won't be "legendary" enough for you. And yet none of that will matter to anyone else. It's like trying to get a Monster Jam yokel excited by F1 or WRC, it ain't gonna happen. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,181 #2868 Posted September 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, rh3000 said: The sailing won't be "exciting" enough for you. The app won't be "good" enough for you. The boats won't be "fast" enough for you. The event won't be "important" enough for you. The views won't be "high" enough for you. The threads won't be "legendary" enough for you. I'll add one to your list rh - The sailing won't be "re-defined" enough for you. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 454 #2869 Posted September 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Horn Rock said: I'll add one to your list rh - The sailing won't be "re-defined" enough for you. The technology wont be "bleeding edge" enough for you 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,181 #2870 Posted September 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, kenergy said: The technology wont be "bleeding edge" enough for you Yes, and lest we not forget that SailGp is the future of sailing....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey 1,197 #2871 Posted September 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Horn Rock said: Yes, and lest we not forget that SailGp is the future of sailing....... It’s not just “the future,” it’s so much “the future,” it’s re-defining what “the future” is!! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smackdaddy 295 #2872 Posted September 27, 2019 At least the same gaggle of KiWhingersTM will still be whingy enough. Actually, I'd say you're redefining whinging. Anyway, this is the NYYC thread, and NYYC is already dominating - which is what drew my attention. As you know, with me, it's all about actual performance...not blather. Now go back to your NZ thread and continue spin the lackluster showing of your boys and their slow boat. You don't belong here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxmini 61 #2873 Posted September 27, 2019 On 9/25/2019 at 12:27 AM, Forourselves said: As opposed to a billionaire with more money than he knows what to do with, that opens his wallet, builds a few boats, buys a few guys and says "Hey Tommy, since I fucked up when I denied you the steering duties and gave Jimmy his camo wheel, go and grab ya mates, money is no object and we can pretend to represent these countries that I've chosen. There's no Kiwi's this time so you can actually win this one" The AC has existed for over 160 years. It is perfectly sustainable. SailGP isn't a good model for sustainability, it relies on Larry's interest, which as we've seen wavers once he loses interest. Teams need sponsors, especially if its going to cost 7 million dollars a year (at least) to campaign. When SailGP has existed for 160 years, and remains relevant like the AC is, let me know. Until then, you have nothing except your own gullible opinion to base your statements about SailGP being more sustainable than the AC on. You used to rail on and on how sail GP would never make it to the start gate . Now you are whining about sustainability . You were wrong , we know it , you know it now accept it like a big boy and move on ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,063 #2874 Posted September 27, 2019 1 hour ago, smackdaddy said: You don't belong here. My understanding is that this the threads are for discussion of topics and teams. Although those preferring a particular team may frequent one thread more than another, by observation the threads are not fan-club threads. Right now discussion is stimulated by the boats and observation/speculation about performance. Cue abusive response. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,052 #2875 Posted September 27, 2019 17 hours ago, Monkey said: I completely agree. I think the idea behind the hull shape is more along the same principles as skipping a stone. Bounce off the water and get back in the air as fast as possible. And there is safety in low ride height. Having a wing come to the surface, aerate, and drop the bow from two meters would be...bad. Until there is a certain advantage from being up high no team is going to risk it. There is always yurtle the turtle reasoning tho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rh3000 1,468 #2876 Posted September 27, 2019 2 hours ago, smackdaddy said: At least the same gaggle of KiWhingersTM will still be whingy enough. Actually, I'd say you're redefining whinging. Anyway, this is the NYYC thread, and NYYC is already dominating - which is what drew my attention. As you know, with me, it's all about actual performance...not blather. Now go back to your NZ thread and continue spin the lackluster showing of your boys and their slow boat. You don't belong here. And with every post you make you further prove our point. We'll add "dominating" to the list too - classic! We are here to discuss NYYC, you're here to whinge about the AC. It's a kiwi boy driving the AM boat btw. Hell even Hutchinson is ex ETNZ. The things you learn eh. ;-) If you do elect to stay and regurgitate versions of the list, it's worth pointing out that when you see "AC36" used - it means all racing this cycle, not just the final match races. I know that's confused you in the past along with so many other things. Agree it can't be fun. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 768 #2877 Posted September 27, 2019 4 hours ago, maxmini said: You used to rail on and on how sail GP would never make it to the start gate . Now you are whining about sustainability . You were wrong , we know it , you know it now accept it like a big boy and move on ! Sounds like there is a legitimate question of sustainability after season 2 if teams can't self-fund... Larry Ellison is a fan of sailing, but he hasn’t just set up SailGP for his own pleasure and he hopes that the circuit will stand on its own two feet," confirmed Julien Di Biase. How much patience does the billionaire have? "Teams that have not found a partner by the end of next season will find it tough," he replied. AN APPRAISAL OF THE FIRST SEASON OF SAILGP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 3,813 #2878 Posted September 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Indio said: "Teams that have not found a partner by the end of next season will find it tough," he replied. That would come to exactly the length of time that Larry spends on each of his toy hobbies before he first slashes and then ends the spending. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,082 #2879 Posted September 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: That would come to exactly the length of time that Larry spends on each of his toy hobbies before he first slashes and then ends the spending. It is just like any other non-stadium sports league, teams have to find sponsors to pay the bills. The “owners” that start the league can only pay the way for so long. Sailing can not be supported only by gate ticket revenue, it needs sponsors that value the advertising value. People may not care for Larry, but at least he was generous enough to fund the startup. It is ridiculous to think he should fund the whole SailGP forever. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,063 #2880 Posted September 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said: That would come to exactly the length of time that Larry spends on each of his toy hobbies before he first slashes and then ends the spending. I knew that was your 13 months number for purse tightening...see the Circus thread 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,063 #2881 Posted September 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Herfy said: It is just like any other non-stadium sports league, teams have to find sponsors to pay the bills. The “owners” that start the league can only pay the way for so long. Sailing can not be supported only by gate ticket revenue, it needs sponsors that value the advertising value. People may not care for Larry, but at least he was generous enough to fund the startup. It is ridiculous to think he should fund the whole SailGP forever. Silly to have read "fully underwritten" as "fully funded" https://sailgp.com/about/introduction/ And the 5 year commitment was oft mentioned. Better go change Wikipedia too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SailGP 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 768 #2882 Posted September 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, NeedAClew said: Silly to have read "fully underwritten" as "fully funded" https://sailgp.com/about/introduction/ And the 5 year commitment was oft mentioned. Better go change Wikipedia too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SailGP Uncle Larry saw the writing on the wall with the launch of the first 2 AC75s, with even more interest once the the next 2 are launched. SailGP filled the 12-month void while the AC75s were under construction - now it's time to pay. the ferryman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phill_nz 638 #2883 Posted September 28, 2019 relax they still race J class boats so f50s have a chance of continuing the tradition of racing on historical AC boats not sure they belong in the real AC threads though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoom 511 #2884 Posted September 28, 2019 But they don't still race IACCs or AC72s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,063 #2885 Posted September 28, 2019 An AC45 entered N2E. No wind, sadly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 148 #2886 Posted September 28, 2019 2 hours ago, hoom said: But they don't still race IACCs or AC72s. They did race IACCs at least a few times long after they were in the AC. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 768 #2887 Posted September 28, 2019 2 hours ago, nroose said: They did race IACCs at least a few times long after they were in the AC. Yes, but they were raced by enthusiasts, not by a petulant billionaire who had his butt handed to him in an AC Match who then decided to take his toys and fuck off to set up his own play pen. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 2,043 #2888 Posted September 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, Indio said: Yes, but they were raced by enthusiasts, not by a petulant billionaire who had his butt handed to him in an AC Match who then decided to take his toys and fuck off to set up his own play pen. The leftover AC teams raced them during the AC33 time-out in the Louis Vuitton Series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 994 #2889 Posted September 28, 2019 6 hours ago, phill_nz said: relax they still race J class boats so f50s have a chance of continuing the tradition of racing on historical AC boats not sure they belong in the real AC threads though Not really, as the F50's aren't AC50's. They may look like it to the untrained eye, but they aren't AC50's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phill_nz 638 #2890 Posted September 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Forourselves said: Not really, as the F50's aren't AC50's. They may look like it to the untrained eye, but they aren't AC50's. same tec ... old same as the j class .. ie .. old tec Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 668 #2891 Posted September 28, 2019 They're modified AC50s, same platform, same wing, evolved foils, battery oil system. Similar to what we would have seen if they'd been used in the cup this cycle I bet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites