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5 hours ago, nav said:

^ You do know that one of the 'backers' of the rumored '2nd US Team'' is a member of the NYYC?

So as far as that goes then yes, (the members of ) one yacht club can apparently muster the resources for 2 teams.

BUT - that's obviously not the way this will play out - see Terry Hollis ^^

Yeah.  I think Terry got it right and I acknowledged that. Well, implicitly!

And I also stand by my statement that there isn't a yacht club in this world that could muster the financial resources for a second team.

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10 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

And anyway, there isn't a yacht club in this world that could muster the financial resources for a second team.

There are individual NYYC Members who can muster the financial resources for a second team without noticing it in their bank accounts. 

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If this happens somehow, it will not be flying the NYYC banner. That fact was already alluded to in one of the items posted.

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8 hours ago, jackolantern said:

There are individual NYYC Members who can muster the financial resources for a second team without noticing it in their bank accounts. 

But of course.  And history instructs they aren't gonna part with their cash.

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3 hours ago, Herfy said:

As I mentioned elsewhere here, this one has been floating around  for at least a week.

This rumoured, nascent challenge involving Taylor Canfield may have legs.  Word has it that George George Sakellaris, owner skipper of the Maxi72 Proteus is involved.  He’s an arch rival of Hap Fauth who is backing the NYYC challenge.   Fauth of course campaigns the Maxi72 Bella Mente.

With Doug deVos and Fauth bankrolling the NYYC challenge, it's financing is assured.  Sakellaris is not in the same league when it comes to wealth.  Doesn't even make the Forbe's Rich List but has a net worth of $700 mill.  Still the passion for sail racing and the rivalry with Fauth will count for something.

Unless this group can pull together some really solid funding they will have a tough time finding a yacht club willing to shoulder the social and fiscal burden of backing them

This old story  from the Robb Report has already been cited here.  Iti's worth the time to read.  http://robbreport.com/motors/marine/hard-core-maxi72-yacht-racing-regatta-maxi72-2725724-eg17-2725724/

 

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44 minutes ago, KiwiJoker said:

Unless this group can pull together some really solid funding they will have a tough time finding a yacht club willing to shoulder the social and fiscal burden of backing them

 

Bah humbug. There are clubs who will challenge for cash. As we have seen.

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2 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

Word has it that George George Sakellaris, owner skipper of the Maxi72 Proteus is involved.  He’s an arch rival of Hap Fauth who is backing the NYYC challenge.   Fauth of course campaigns the Maxi72 Bella Mente.

 

Art-Trade/Dick Dastardly

 Love an Arch Rival...twirls Moustache!

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2 hours ago, dogwatch said:

Bah humbug. There are clubs who will challenge for cash. As we have seen.

I stand corrected.

Unless this group can pull together some really solid funding they will have a tough time finding a reputable yacht club willing to shoulder the social and fiscal burden of backing them

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4 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

I stand corrected.

Unless this group can pull together some really solid funding they will have a tough time finding a reputable yacht club willing to shoulder the social and fiscal burden of backing them

How about any of the many reputable US yacht clubs that have supported AC challenges and defenses in the past? San Diego, Eastern, Chicago, St. Francis, Golden Gate

Okay maybe not that last one. 

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21 hours ago, jackolantern said:

How about any of the many reputable US yacht clubs that have supported AC challenges and defenses in the past? San Diego, Eastern, Chicago, St. Francis, Golden Gate

Okay maybe not that last one. 

It's a fair question.  Fact is that many members of yacht clubs are not that interested in the America's Cup and they see it as a distraction from the clubs' aims and other programs. History teaches that you need charismatic leaders, typically with an AC background plus one or more committed individuals with the financial worth to underwrite a challenge.

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On 5/4/2018 at 12:22 AM, KiwiJoker said:

As I mentioned elsewhere here, this one has been floating around  for at least a week.

This rumoured, nascent challenge involving Taylor Canfield may have legs.  Word has it that George George Sakellaris, owner skipper of the Maxi72 Proteus is involved.  He’s an arch rival of Hap Fauth who is backing the NYYC challenge.   Fauth of course campaigns the Maxi72 Bella Mente.

With Doug deVos and Fauth bankrolling the NYYC challenge, it's financing is assured.  Sakellaris is not in the same league when it comes to wealth.  Doesn't even make the Forbe's Rich List but has a net worth of $700 mill.  Still the passion for sail racing and the rivalry with Fauth will count for something.

Unless this group can pull together some really solid funding they will have a tough time finding a yacht club willing to shoulder the social and fiscal burden of backing them

This old story  from the Robb Report has already been cited here.  Iti's worth the time to read.  http://robbreport.com/motors/marine/hard-core-maxi72-yacht-racing-regatta-maxi72-2725724-eg17-2725724/

Well, it is obvious from the discussions in this forum that many were not aware of the details of the possible second challenge. Thanks for sharing the background info.  It would be great to see two US challengers, especially one that will actually use American sailors.

 

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DN and other mentions, at https://www.sail-world.com/news/204902/RC44s-return-to-where-it-all-began-for-round-two

Having fallen in love with the RC44 in 2009 after riding on board as a guest sailor in Slovenia, Vladimir Prosikhin burst onto the RC44 scene in 2011 with Russian flagged Team Nika. Having gone from strength to strength over the years, twice crowned World Champions and claiming the RC44 Tour title in 2015, Prosikhin's secret advantage for this year's Portorož Cup is that of his well-established crew, three are local Slovenian Olympic sailors, Tomaz Copi, Mitja Margon and Iztok Knafelc; and, of course, he has America's Cup royalty Dean Barker as tactician.

Of the other teams in the mix, Artemis Racing will welcome back America's Cup helm Nathan Outteridge as tactician, with team principal Iain Percy moved to mainsail trim. Nico Poons' Charisma will be hoping for a repeat of their winning performance from the start of the season, with Emirates Team New Zealand's Ray Davies driving the team forward.

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On 5/2/2018 at 11:24 AM, jackolantern said:

I mean it's extremely unlikely that a different U.S. challenger will be coming from another yacht club, and every rumor I've heard is that there's another NYYC team in the wings. So if the history of having extensive defender trials is anything to go on, NYYC will have an internal series to see who represents the club as challenger. 

NYYC could take two of the club Sonars, put some foils on them and have internal trials.

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Will this be based out of Bristol RI? I saw a sign at the old Hall building, now Zim Sailing recently 

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10 hours ago, rgeek said:

never did quite understand the "Sail maker beats up his clients" thing

"Look how good we are. You buy these sails you could be this good too"

Quantum are the Old Spice of sailmakers. You can't be me. But you can smell like me

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2 hours ago, kawalski said:

"Look how good we are. You buy these sails you could be this good too"

Quantum are the Old Spice of sailmakers. You can't be me. But you can smell like me

Buy our sails and come 2nd (behind us)

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6 hours ago, kawalski said:

"Look how good we are. You buy these sails you could be this good too"

Quantum are the Old Spice of sailmakers. You can't be me. But you can smell like me

Well put!

Worth noting that Quantum choses to compete and take its chances a a top professional class, wins consistently, and generates publicity that advertising could never buy.

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TH quote

On the American Magic Team:
"We've spent the last 15 months getting the designers organized. I say we but really Adolfo Carrau has been telling me what we need to do and between him and Marcelino Botin they've assembled a really good group of people, a smart group of people, experienced, some old and some new. So time will tell. We're 36 months out from the Cup so time will tell how it all goes."

https://www.sail-world.com/news/205763/Sibenik-52-SUPER-SERIES-Sailing-Week-overall

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On 5/27/2018 at 10:08 AM, rgeek said:

never did quite understand the "Sail maker beats up his clients" thing

How about: If enough of you buy our sails, we'll be too busy building your sales to come whup your asses!

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On 5/27/2018 at 6:08 PM, rgeek said:

never did quite understand the "Sail maker beats up his clients" thing

Quantum are the only Factory team in the event, all others are a mix of private funding and some sponsorship, then again you could argue that it's DeVos money and Doug as well as Dalton have, and do helm the boat at certain events, so not a true All Pro team, this is beside the point.

Quantum Sails sponsors their boat and supplies to Onda, Platoon and last year Gladiator. Through this, Q provide tuning tips and on the water line ups between those clients and a flow of information and design evolution. Platoon were crowned World Champions, beating Q in Scarlino last year, Gladiator were tied for 1st, but lost out to Azzurra in the last event in Mahon on countback. So Q isn't unbeatable either by their clients, or as witnessed by their bow number, other teams. 

North supply the rest of the fleet and also provide a similar support structure with their sail designers being on site during events, going between the teams and offering speed debriefs. Most teams have a dedicated coach on the water taking photos of boats and set ups to provide a day by day debrief internally.

North Sails as well as Southern Spars (read North Group) are Technical Partners to the Super Series, as well as Quantum Sails.

 

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On 5/27/2018 at 6:08 PM, rgeek said:

never did quite understand the "Sail maker beats up his clients" thing

Sailmakers' teams played a part in the sudden death of the once huge Solent J24 fleet. Owners who were previously spending £10-12K a year (1990 money) of their own money to sail at the sharp end of the fleet didn't feel inclined to start spending 50% more. Class rules for some more recent Solent fleets incorporated what happened to the J24s as an Awful Warning on runaway costs. 

I don't think however that TP52s are in the same game.

 

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21 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

TH quote

On the American Magic Team:
"We've spent the last 15 months getting the designers organized. I say we but really Adolfo Carrau has been telling me what we need to do and between him and Marcelino Botin they've assembled a really good group of people, a smart group of people, experienced, some old and some new. So time will tell. We're 36 months out from the Cup so time will tell how it all goes."

https://www.sail-world.com/news/205763/Sibenik-52-SUPER-SERIES-Sailing-Week-overall

Lack of confidence? Passing the buck already? Or all good?

Time will tell :D

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Seamen's Church Institute invites Rob Ouellette to join our 2018 Speaker Series line up. 

 

Rob was exposed to boating before he could walk and grew up sailing all over New England. He graduated from the University of Rhode Island where he was captain of his keelboat sailing team in 1998, and he took first place at the Kennedy Cup and third place at the College Sailing World Cup. He has been part of Bella Mente Racing for eight seasons, sharing in the team’s many national and international triumphs. Currently he serves as project manager for construction of the new Bella Mente at New England Boatworks and as chief operating officer of New York Yacht Club’s America’s Cup Challenger American Magic.

https://patch.com/rhode-island/newport/calendar/event/20180613/352157/rob-ouellette-from-bella-mente-racing-to-american-magic

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On 6/10/2018 at 4:05 PM, Stingray~ said:

Seamen's Church Institute invites Rob Ouellette to join our 2018 Speaker Series line up. 

....

Currently he serves as project manager for construction of the new Bella Mente ..

 

Isn't that part of Silvio Arrivabene's job?

 

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17 hours ago, WetHog said:

 

WetHog  :ph34r:

Seems like only a few weeks ago that we had knockers, doubters and pessimistic prognosticators who were convinced that a NYYC, DeVos or Hap Fauth challenge would ever amount to anything. How hopelessly wrong they were. 

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21 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

Seems like only a few weeks ago that we had knockers, doubters and pessimistic prognosticators who were convinced that a NYYC, DeVos or Hap Fauth challenge would ever amount to anything. How hopelessly wrong they were. 

What do you mean by "amount to anything"? Once announced, I don't remember anyone doubting they would enter. Whether they will impress on the race course remains to be seen. I tend to doubt it, they seem to be rather lingering in the keelboat era.

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3 hours ago, dogwatch said:

What do you mean by "amount to anything"? Once announced, I don't remember anyone doubting they would enter. Whether they will impress on the race course remains to be seen. I tend to doubt it, they seem to be rather lingering in the keelboat era.

As rumours mounted that the DeVos clan and separately Hap Fauth were gearing up for an AC challenge, there were individuals here who questioned whether either could mount a full bore effort.  I'm referring to the period prior to the formal challenge announcement.  ''ll be damned if I will go back and trawl for specific references. It's simply not a big deal. But I've got a pretty good handle on the commitment to sailing competition within three generations of the DeVos clan starting with the leaky old wooden schooner that family patriarch Rich DeVos snd his college buddy Jay van Andel, later to become his business partner in Amway, and both sailing neophytes, bought after graduation and sailed to Cuba. It sank somewhere south of Florida but kicked off a long line of Windquests. What I didn't expect was that Terry would unite his two clients, the DeVos and  Fauth into a joint challenge. And what did get my attention was the dismissive attitude of a number of doubters here back then. FWIW I believed then and believe now the NYYC challenge has the potential to be formidable.

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Fair enough, no need to research examples, I thought you were talking about more recent doubters. 

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12 hours ago, dogwatch said:

Fair enough, no need to research examples, I thought you were talking about more recent doubters. 

Yair!  I believe any doubters ancient or recent are in for a surprise.  Among American challengers at least, we have to go back to Dennis Conner's Stars & Stripes effort in Perth in '87 or Bill Koch's America³ Foundation in '82 to compare with the depth of funding and array of talent that American Magic can bring to the party. Of course it's an alliance. It will be up to TH to hold it all together.

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5 hours ago, doghouse said:

Er...

Thanks for picking it up.  A simple typo.  How about Bill Koch's America³ Foundation in '92.

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at http://www.52superseries.com/sled-on-the-up-devos-on-the-quantum-racing-helm/

While the immediate horizons for DeVos are about maintaining the winning momentum established in Sibenik, on a long term basis the Quantum Racing team are setting the foundations for their America’s Cup bid with the New York YC’s American Magic. 


“We are just organising ourselves from a management point of view right now, it is a start up business. Right now it is about how we are getting the money in place; about getting the right people in place. But it is something I have always wanted to do. I have always been fascinated by the America’s Cup. I remember my brother showing me magazine pictures of the America’s Cup boats in the seventies and since then it is something I have been fascinated by.” 

 

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There's an awful lot of grey hair in that picture. I don't think the AC75s are going to be grey-hair friendly.

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On 7/3/2018 at 12:04 PM, dogwatch said:

There's an awful lot of grey hair in that picture. I don't think the AC75s are going to be grey-hair friendly.

With the possible exception of Terry, none of the other guys pictured will be on the boat.........................

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That photo i think is from last years team - 2017

- Terry - not sailing AC?

- Doug - not sailing AC

- Warwick Fleury - Not on the AC team

The team announced is:

Skipper & Executive Director: • Terry Hutchinson (Annapolis, Maryland, United States)

Helms/Tacticians: • Dean Barker (Auckland, New Zealand) • Andrew Campbell (San Diego, California, United States) • Bora Gulari (Detroit, Michigan, United States) • Ian Moore (Cowes, Great Britain)

Sail Trimmers: • Trevor Burd (Marblehead, Massachusetts, United States) • Maciel Cicchetti (Mar del Plata, Argentina) • Paul Goodison (Sheffield, Great Britain) • David Hughes (Miami, Florida, United States)

Specialists: • Matt Cassidy (San Diego, California, United States) • Sean Clarkson (Mill Valley, California - Nationality: New Zealand) • Jim Turner (Auckland, New Zealand) Grinders: • Cooper Dressler (Coronado, California, United States) • Luke Muller (Ft. Pierce, Florida, United States) • Caleb Paine (San Diego, California, United States) • Luke Payne (Fremantle, Australia) • Joe Spooner (Auckland, New Zealand) Head Coach: • James Lyne (Granville, Vermont, United States)

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