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Psychopaths and mass killings

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Every community has it's share of nutters lurking.

Those with demons struggling to control a desire to kill..

Some of them kill animals, baiting the neighbourhoods dogs for example.

Very rarely, some will implant themselves in a profession where they can kill vulnerable people and go undetected for years.

Also very rarely, some will poison a batch of commonly purchased products.

When one thinks about it, it wouldn't be difficult to kill any number of people in various sneaky ways before being detected.

Now assuming that  the USA does not have more that the average number of psychopaths per capita than anywhere else..why do you have so many mass killings?

Does access to guns make it easier to act before they can control the impulse?

The other forms mentioned require patience and planning.

Or..is it that some nutters require the "blaze of glory" and sneaky killings just don't satisfy?

 

 

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3 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Now assuming that  the USA does not have more that the average number of psychopaths per capita than anywhere else..why do you have so many mass killings?

Pretty big assumption.

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3 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Every community has it's share of nutters lurking.

Those with demons struggling to control a desire to kill..

Some of them kill animals, baiting the neighbourhoods dogs for example.

Very rarely, some will implant themselves in a profession where they can kill vulnerable people and go undetected for years.

Also very rarely, some will poison a batch of commonly purchased products.

When one thinks about it, it wouldn't be difficult to kill any number of people in various sneaky ways before being detected.

Now assuming that  the USA does not have more that the average number of psychopaths per capita than anywhere else..why do you have so many mass killings?

Does access to guns make it easier to act before they can control the impulse?

The other forms mentioned require patience and planning.

Or..is it that some nutters require the "blaze of glory" and sneaky killings just don't satisfy?

 

 

Did you write that? Or would a cite and a link be needed? 

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12 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Pretty big assumption.

How so? Oh, forget it...........

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And disturbingly, the prevalence of sociopathy in the United States seems to be increasing. The 1991 Epidemiologic Catchment Area study, sponsored by the National Institute of Mental Health, reported that in the fifteen years preceding the study, the prevalence of antisocial personality disorder had nearly doubled among the young in America, It would be difficult, closing in on impossible, to explain such a dramatically rapid shift in terms of genetics or neurobiology.

http://ranprieur.com/readings/americanpsycho.html

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4 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Every community has it's share of nutters lurking.

Those with demons struggling to control a desire to kill..

Some of them kill animals, baiting the neighbourhoods dogs for example.

Very rarely, some will implant themselves in a profession where they can kill vulnerable people and go undetected for years.

Also very rarely, some will poison a batch of commonly purchased products.

When one thinks about it, it wouldn't be difficult to kill any number of people in various sneaky ways before being detected.

Now assuming that  the USA does not have more that the average number of psychopaths per capita than anywhere else..why do you have so many mass killings?

Does access to guns make it easier to act before they can control the impulse?

The other forms mentioned require patience and planning.

Or..is it that some nutters require the "blaze of glory" and sneaky killings just don't satisfy?

 

 

USA exceptionalism demands we exceed the world in all endeavors. Unfortunately "all" includes tragedies

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1 hour ago, warbird said:

USA exceptionalism demands we exceed the world in all endeavors. Unfortunately "all" includes tragedies

But if the number of Psychologists is any indication the US is well down the list on the Psychopath league table. Not quite as bad as their world rugby ranking however.

Number of psychologists per 100,000 residents, 2011 

Argentina: 202 

Austria: 79.88 

Australia: 62.48 

France: 47.90 

Canada: 46.56 

Switzerland: 40.78 

Iceland: 31.89 

United States: 29.03 

Cyprus: 29.99 

Andorra: 28.84 

Monaco: 27.35 

These numbers need to be looked at more closely however.  Australia only has a small population and we do have Meli, Randumb, Itchynuts and lydia living here.

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10 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

But if the number of Psychologists is any indication the US is well down the list on the Psychopath league table. Not quite as bad as their world rugby ranking however.

Number of psychologists per 100,000 residents, 2011 

Argentina: 202 

Austria: 79.88 

Australia: 62.48 

France: 47.90 

Canada: 46.56 

Switzerland: 40.78 

Iceland: 31.89 

United States: 29.03 

Cyprus: 29.99 

Andorra: 28.84 

Monaco: 27.35 

These numbers need to be looked at more closely however.  Australia only has a small population and we do have Meli, Randumb, Itchynuts and lydia living here.

Now that IS interesting..Maybe psychology doesn't pay enough to justify the uni fees..or maybe americans just don't put any faith in something that doesn't require a medical degree.

Odd

 

actually ..on reflexion it's not odd.. :D

 

Who's Lydia ?

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5 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Every community has it's share of nutters lurking.

Those with demons struggling to control a desire to kill..

Some of them kill animals, baiting the neighbourhoods dogs for example.

Very rarely, some will implant themselves in a profession where they can kill vulnerable people and go undetected for years.

Also very rarely, some will poison a batch of commonly purchased products.

When one thinks about it, it wouldn't be difficult to kill any number of people in various sneaky ways before being detected.

Now assuming that  the USA does not have more that the average number of psychopaths per capita than anywhere else..why do you have so many mass killings?

Does access to guns make it easier to act before they can control the impulse?

The other forms mentioned require patience and planning.

Or..is it that some nutters require the "blaze of glory" and sneaky killings just don't satisfy?

 

 

guns for sure, the rest is speculation.

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4 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Who's Lydia ?

He is a psychopath. Doesn't wander into PA very often.

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Or maybe it's because in Oz we have access to Mental Health Care Plans whereby, I think, Medicare subsidises the cost somewhat for the first few consults with a psychologist or counsellor. 

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1 minute ago, 3to1 said:

guns for sure, the rest is speculation.

Not at all..Nutters elsewhere use bombs, or lately, cars if they want a spectacular and martyr- ish result...and they do mostly have access to guns.

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1 minute ago, albanyguy said:

Or maybe it's because in Oz we have access to Mental Health Care Plans whereby, I think, Medicare subsidises the cost somewhat for the first few consults with a psychologist or counsellor. 

shush :) 

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Bull shit..not in the rest of the world If you think suicide bombings are isolated incidents you need to broaden your news feed and they are not all mad muslims..separatist movements spring to mind..every suicide bomber has a "reason" but fanaticism is a form of madness..that's the point..why?

Why does your US psycho choose firearms rather than the bomb vest or the toyota hiace?

 

nice edit..but if you change the context of a response it's polite to mention it.

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10 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Why does your US psycho choose firearms rather than the bomb vest or the toyota hiace?

ask the psycho, maybe it has something to do with the fact that guns are abundant here and pulling a trigger is convenient.

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1 minute ago, Shortforbob said:

Bull shit..not in the rest of the world ..that's the point..why?

Why does your US psycho choose firearms rather than the bomb vest or the toyota hiace?

It's the American Way. We got all the US programming and it was really peculiar to watch so many shows of people shooting each other. Up here in the GWN, we were doing comedy shows and nature clips, and the US stations were full of blammo blammo. It's been strange to see how the American media experience has been glorifying guns and violence. Over the last 10-15 years, the gestalt has been more and more militaristic.

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Just now, 3to1 said:

ask the psycho, maybe it has something to do with the fact guns are abundant and pulling a trigger is convenient.

Asking the Psycho is rather difficult as they have a tendency to either go out with a bang or commit suicide by cop..I've often thought that cops should show a little restraint when possible..you can't study a dead psycho. 

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3 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

It's the American Way. We got all the US programming and it was really peculiar to watch so many shows of people shooting each other. Up here in the GWN, we were doing comedy shows and nature clips, and the US stations were full of blammo blammo. It's been strange to see how the American media experience has been glorifying guns and violence. Over the last 10-15 years, the gestalt has been more and more militaristic.

Yeah..that's my thinking..not the guns and gun access per se, but the culture around them.

There are plenty of other places on the planet with high per capita gun ownership..but they don't seem to use them this way.

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14 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

 

 

nice edit..but if you change the context of a response it's polite to mention it, you pin dicked, fuacktarded douche canoe.

FTFY

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I'm just wondering if there's a correlation between social isolation and high gun ownership that causes this.

By social isolation, I dont mean the lonely oddball living in the sticks, I mean the isolation that comes from living behind high walls, driving everywhere, no longer interacting with neighbours and community.. It's a thought that shooting people from a tower or high rise..the shooter never gets blood on their hands or sees the carnage close up..they isolate themselves from that by choice of weapon.

It's a worrying trend..for places like Oz and the UK and northern europe too..where communities don't contact as much as they used to. 

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25 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Bull shit..not in the rest of the world If you think suicide bombings are isolated incidents you need to broaden your news feed and they are not all mad muslims..separatist movements spring to mind..every suicide bomber has a "reason" but fanaticism is a form of madness..that's the point..why?

Why does your US psycho choose firearms rather than the bomb vest or the toyota hiace?

 

nice edit..but if you change the context of a response it's polite to mention it.

Muslims use bomb vests. 

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5 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

I'm just wondering if there's a correlation between social isolation and high gun ownership that causes this.

By social isolation, I dont mean the lonely oddball living in the sticks, I mean the isolation that comes from living behind high walls, driving everywhere, no longer interacting with neighbours and community.. It's a thought that shooting people from a tower or high rise..the shooter never gets blood on their hands or sees the carnage close up..they isolate themselves from that by choice of weapon.

It's a worrying trend..for places like Oz and the UK and northern europe too..where communities don't contact as much as they used to. 

its caused by violent movies, tv, and video games.  We need to outlaw those.

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4 minutes ago, Rockdog said:

its caused by violent movies, tv, and video games.  We need to outlaw those.

Nope..other countries overuse these forms of entertainment..ever watched some of the japanese movies or played their games...they on the other hand tend to live in rather densely crowded communities and walk to school or mingle in Onsen..they don't do the mass shooting thing.

Other countries that live in small appartments still do the communal afternoon stroll, meet their neighbours in the local cafe..

 

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33 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

 they are not all mad muslims..separatist movements spring to mind..every suicide bomber has a "reason" but fanaticism is a form of madness..that's the point..why?

You are right mell they are not all mad Muslims, 99.99% of all suicide bombers are in fact just plain old garden variety radical Muslims.

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1 hour ago, Shortforbob said:

Who's Lydia ?

Just another decendant of  transportees

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3 hours ago, Chum said:

Sloop, why do you think the US has more than its share of psychos?

I didn't say I thought so - just that assuming it doesn't is a leap.

Mass shootings on a virtually weekly basis should make anyone question it.

Especially when you consider that nothing is being done about it except some short term hand wringing after each incident.

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9 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I didn't say I thought so - just that assuming it doesn't is a leap.

Mass shootings on a virtually weekly basis should make anyone question it.

Especially when you consider that nothing is being done about it except some short term hand wringing after each incident.

Heres hoping these clowns end up in Canukistan

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3921370/So-s-flight-Celebrities-pledged-leave-U-S-Trump-won-including-Lena-Dunham-Amy-Schumer-Miley-Cyrus-mocked-Twitter.html

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48 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I didn't say I thought so - just that assuming it doesn't is a leap.

Mass shootings on a virtually weekly basis should make anyone question it.

Especially when you consider that nothing is being done about it except some short term hand wringing after each incident.

nothing can be done about it short of massive political and cultural shifts and crystal balls, just like most acts of random violence. it's the world we live in and as things stand now it's apparently only going to get worse.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

I didn't say I thought so - just that assuming it doesn't is a leap.

Mass shootings on a virtually weekly basis should make anyone question it.

Especially when you consider that nothing is being done about it except some short term hand wringing after each incident.

Shall we look to Europe for an answer?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe

Wow, what a horrlble deadly place that is.

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10 hours ago, Ishmael said:

It's the American Way. We got all the US programming and it was really peculiar to watch so many shows of people shooting each other. Up here in the GWN, we were doing comedy shows and nature clips, and the US stations were full of blammo blammo. It's been strange to see how the American media experience has been glorifying guns and violence. Over the last 10-15 years, the gestalt has been more and more militaristic.

Habituation pure and simple...

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10 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Nope..other countries overuse these forms of entertainment..ever watched some of the japanese movies or played their games...they on the other hand tend to live in rather densely crowded communities and walk to school or mingle in Onsen..they don't do the mass shooting thing.

Other countries that live in small appartments still do the communal afternoon stroll, meet their neighbours in the local cafe..

 

Small communities have a bad connotation in the States.  They are thought of as as ‘unsophisticated’ fly-over people.   Here those are the safest places to live.  

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8 hours ago, 3to1 said:

nothing can be done about it short of massive political and cultural shifts and crystal balls, just like most acts of random violence. it's the world we live in and as things stand now it's apparently only going to get worse.

There actually is MUCH that can be done about it.  The US has a constitution that prevents things other countries do to prevent them.  Thank the stars.

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11 hours ago, Moderate said:

Just as long as you and your elk don't come - not even for a visit.

Not even to Alberta.

 

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8 hours ago, Chum said:

Nice dodge. Just own it Sloop, it makes you look spineless to deny it. 

That says you're even stupider than you look.

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3 hours ago, Rockdog said:

There actually is MUCH that can be done about it.  The US has a constitution that prevents things other countries do to prevent them.  Thank the stars.

I don't know if that is gross stupidity or merely gross inarticulation.

Are you actually saying "Thank the stars" that your Constitution prevents doing things to prevent mass shootings?

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19 minutes ago, Chum said:

Thanks for responding. So, you do believe there are more psychos in the US than elsewhere?

Well obviously - you have over 300,000,000 people to work with.

No question you have more psycho shooters than anywhere else but that's a separate issue.

Whether or not your RATE of psycho's is worse is open to question.

 

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1 minute ago, Chum said:

I must have missed it Sloop, could you give me the cliff notes? Do you think we have more psychos here?

Well obviously - you have over 300,000,000 people to work with.

Whether or not your RATE of psycho's is worse is open to question.

Got it now?

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