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Why is this ho hum to the media and Vegas is a month long political feeding frenzy? Is there some kind of double standard in play here?

I blame Trump, Republicans, the gun show loophole and the NRA. 

 

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1 minute ago, badlatitude said:

So Las Vegas is still the winner?

I think that is the saddest comment I have ever seen. When you become so politicized that your only concern is winning.

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Just now, Hillary said:

I think that is the saddest comment I have ever seen. When you become so politicized that your only concern is winning.

Oh, T. Hillary, you are ever the drama queen.

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15 minutes ago, Hillary said:

Why is this ho hum to the media and Vegas is a month long political feeding frenzy? Is there some kind of double standard in play here?

I blame Trump, Republicans, the gun show loophole and the NRA. 

 

He did promise in his inauguration address that all crime would stop.  Not winning.

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Black lives DO matter, but evidently not to other black folks who are killing their own.

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7 minutes ago, Fullkeel said:

Black lives DO matter, but evidently not to other black folks who are killing their own.

Nice first post.  We used to have a guy who called himself Daggerboard.  Any relation?

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1 hour ago, Hillary said:

Why is this ho hum to the media and Vegas is a month long political feeding frenzy? Is there some kind of double standard in play here?

I blame Trump, Republicans, the gun show loophole and the NRA. 

 

America doesn't care about dead black people. Pretty dead white girls? Front page baby.

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50 minutes ago, Rum Runner said:

Chicago is boring because it is run by do-good Democrats who obviously know how to solve the problems of poor, unemployed people. 

I thought Trump was sending in the Feds to solve that problem, what happened?

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18 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

America doesn't care about dead black people. Pretty dead white girls? Front page baby.

Country music fans.  Real Americans being killed.

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34 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

America doesn't care about dead black people. Pretty dead white girls? Front page baby.

Sounds like a meeedia problem.

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16 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Sounds like a meeedia problem.

nope. A consumer problem. Contrary to popular (trump) opinion, the MEEEDIUH just prints what sells. Dead folks in Chicago? Doesn't get clicks.

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2 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

nope. A consumer problem. Contrary to popular (trump) opinion, the MEEEDIUH just prints what sells. Dead folks in Chicago? Doesn't get clicks.

Meh.  What r ya gonna do?  It sounds like there are at least three problems in Chiraq.  

  1. Black lives really don't matter, given that the vast majority of the deaths are at the hands of other blacks.  Can't even come close to blaming the white man on this.  
  2. Shitcago obviously doesn't have enough gun laws.  If only they had strict registration and licensing of guns in Chicago, none of this would happen.  
  3. If bringing in guns from outside the city is the issue, then why are they not setting up roadblocks around the city and searching every car and truck that comes into the city?  

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So rather than pointing out Chicago gun deaths, and harping on how the murder rate in Chicago is so high, and all this other shit, what is anyone doing to fix it?  Can it be fixed?

Y'all say people need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and that's cool.  I am all about personal responsibility in the face of adversity.  But I am also about making sure people have boots in the first place.  Seems to me that we took the boots from Chicago when the industry went overseas.  And its easy to say to the people affected by their jobs going away "Find another job" but the reality is in an industrial/manufacturing area, such as Chicago, Pittsburg, Cleveland, Detroit, etc, a lot of people were able to make a very good living with minimal skills.  And why not?  What was the incentive to obtain an advanced skill set when you could live very well working in the factories?  The factories supported the economy of the whole area.  When the factories left, there went the economy.  So now you've got a relatively low skilled work force, no employers (because the low skilled work force doesn't know how to effectively run a business), and the symptoms there of.  Gangs emerge.  People use drugs to forget their shitty existence.  Because people are using drugs, gangs fight over the territories.  And then people come in and exploit those people.  Unscrupulous land owners like Pod (remember him) take advantage of the situation to make a buck, and further the area into poverty.  

Have any of you lived in a low income area?  I have.  And it sucks.  What little business exists inflate the hell out of their prices to "make up for theft."  So basic needs like food, electricity, fuel, are all 2-3X the national average.  So people end up paying more for necessities.  This leaves them with little disposable income, shitty quality of life, and most importantly, little mobility.  If you are paying all of your earnings just to meet basic needs, you aren't able to save to move to a better place.  You aren't able to save for college for your kids.  You aren't able to save to go back to school yourself.  Poverty is a bitch kids.  It is a perpetual cycle that is incredibly difficult to get out of.  Some do, many don't.

What we really need to do is decide as a nation, that we don't want poverty to exist anymore.  Personally, I think that means taking care of a few generations of our impoverished.  Like offer some support to the mom who has to work 2 jobs to meet her families basic needs, all the while using one of those jobs to pay for child care, so she can go to her other job.   Like stop allowing "entrepreneurs" to pray upon our impoverished through payday loans and shit like that.  Like as a nation and a culture, stressing the importance of education over entertainment.  Like not allowing our elected officials to vilify those who are less fortunate than others.  Like lets just decide to give a couple of generations some boots and fighting chance.  Is it going to be easy?  Hell no.  Is it ultimately going to look like "the devil" socialism?  Hell yes.  Is it going to ultimately better the country?  Absolutely, but only if we all let it.

The problem is that too many individuals profit from others' poverty, so we won't see anything done about it. 

The old saying used to be that it takes a village to raise a child.  Now its every one for him/herself.  Bring back a sense of community.  Then we can get somewhere.

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5 minutes ago, Rockdog said:

Obviously I CAN be fixed.  Chicago’s citizens like it the way it is.  Why should we interfere?

yep, a little snip-snip, and the next slut can't extort you for child support.

 

Oh, you mean IT can be fixed.
I've stated many a time - if this was happening to a white 'hood, the nation wouldn't stand for it, and it would have never gotten to this point. We have effectively outsourced local law enforcement to gangs of thugs. Actually, it's proto-american in a wild-west sort of way.

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30 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

Chicago needs more guns.  Let nature take its path.

It IS taking its path.   

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1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

 

Oh, you mean IT can be fixed.
I've stated many a time - if this was happening to a white 'hood, the nation wouldn't stand for it, and it would have never gotten to this point. We have effectively outsourced local law enforcement to gangs of thugs. Actually, it's proto-american in a wild-west sort of way.

What are the cost savings?

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29 minutes ago, Rockdog said:

It IS taking its path.   

For how long?  Hasn't the crime rate in Chicago been pretty bad since Capone?

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10 minutes ago, Moderate said:

What are the cost savings?

for what, the outsourcing of the problem? Quite high actually. If you count your coin in "I don't want my money going to darkies"

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12 hours ago, sail611 said:

Because people are using drugs, gangs fight over the territories. 

We used to have exactly that problem with alcohol. It somehow went away all by its little self. I guess.

At least, that's what people seem to expect based on the level of interest in my Prohibition thread.

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12 hours ago, sail611 said:

The old saying used to be that it takes a village to raise a child.  Now its every one for him/herself.  Bring back a sense of community.  Then we can get somewhere.

So you're saying that the reason the murder rate is so high is because of a lack of community in our modern society whereas before when there was a sense of community and social cohesion in Amerika, we didn't have this kind of murder and violence rate?  Hmmmmm, now where have I heard that before? 

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16 hours ago, sail611 said:

So rather than pointing out Chicago gun deaths, and harping on how the murder rate in Chicago is so high, and all this other shit, what is anyone doing to fix it?  Can it be fixed?

Y'all say people need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and that's cool.  I am all about personal responsibility in the face of adversity.  But I am also about making sure people have boots in the first place.  Seems to me that we took the boots from Chicago when the industry went overseas.  And its easy to say to the people affected by their jobs going away "Find another job" but the reality is in an industrial/manufacturing area, such as Chicago, Pittsburg, Cleveland, Detroit, etc, a lot of people were able to make a very good living with minimal skills.  And why not?  What was the incentive to obtain an advanced skill set when you could live very well working in the factories?  The factories supported the economy of the whole area.  When the factories left, there went the economy.  So now you've got a relatively low skilled work force, no employers (because the low skilled work force doesn't know how to effectively run a business), and the symptoms there of.  Gangs emerge.  People use drugs to forget their shitty existence.  Because people are using drugs, gangs fight over the territories.  And then people come in and exploit those people.  Unscrupulous land owners like Pod (remember him) take advantage of the situation to make a buck, and further the area into poverty.  

Have any of you lived in a low income area?  I have.  And it sucks.  What little business exists inflate the hell out of their prices to "make up for theft."  So basic needs like food, electricity, fuel, are all 2-3X the national average.  So people end up paying more for necessities.  This leaves them with little disposable income, shitty quality of life, and most importantly, little mobility.  If you are paying all of your earnings just to meet basic needs, you aren't able to save to move to a better place.  You aren't able to save for college for your kids.  You aren't able to save to go back to school yourself.  Poverty is a bitch kids.  It is a perpetual cycle that is incredibly difficult to get out of.  Some do, many don't.

What we really need to do is decide as a nation, that we don't want poverty to exist anymore.  Personally, I think that means taking care of a few generations of our impoverished.  Like offer some support to the mom who has to work 2 jobs to meet her families basic needs, all the while using one of those jobs to pay for child care, so she can go to her other job.   Like stop allowing "entrepreneurs" to pray upon our impoverished through payday loans and shit like that.  Like as a nation and a culture, stressing the importance of education over entertainment.  Like not allowing our elected officials to vilify those who are less fortunate than others.  Like lets just decide to give a couple of generations some boots and fighting chance.  Is it going to be easy?  Hell no.  Is it ultimately going to look like "the devil" socialism?  Hell yes.  Is it going to ultimately better the country?  Absolutely, but only if we all let it.

The problem is that too many individuals profit from others' poverty, so we won't see anything done about it. 

The old saying used to be that it takes a village to raise a child.  Now its every one for him/herself.  Bring back a sense of community.  Then we can get somewhere.

Sorry to let you in on a little secret. War on poverty has been going on for fifty plus years. The  warriors, urban leaders, the weapons, Federal money.  In Wisconsin Tommy Thompson put togethr W2, work for welfare, that put requirements like job training for any able reciepient. It showed real results and slick Willie signed a federal program similar. Curiously, Obama defanged the program. Another reason 'bama is reviled. Another reason the left will never defeat poverty.

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Well shit, seems like a great time for the Repubs in congress to step up and undo that Obama policy.  They could win with their base by undoing something Obama did, and help some people at the time.  Although it doesn't seem that their base is really interested in doing anything good for the country overall, but rather their focus is on making sure groups of people "know their place," as evident by recent actions in wake of Charlottesville, and the NFL protests.

 

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18 minutes ago, sail611 said:

Well shit, seems like a great time for the Repubs in congress to step up and undo that Obama policy.  They could win with their base by undoing something Obama did, and help some people at the time.  Although it doesn't seem that their base is really interested in doing anything good for the country overall, but rather their focus is on making sure groups of people "know their place," as evident by recent actions in wake of Charlottesville, and the NFL protests.

 

It's only been 10 months, they've got more than 7 years to undo the 'bama damage:lol:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_actions_by_Donald_Trump

You may disagree with the wiki list directives but have to admit the Prez has been busy...

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1 hour ago, warbird said:

It's only been 10 months, they've got more than 7 years to undo the 'bama damage:lol:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_actions_by_Donald_Trump

You may disagree with the wiki list directives but have to admit the Prez has been busy...

I seem to recall a time in the not too distant past when legislating by EO was bad.  

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1 hour ago, Shootist Jeff said:

I seem to recall a time in the not too distant past when legislating by EO was bad.  

I think it's now OK, at least when done by a guy who's orange instead of mocha

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4 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

I think it's now OK, at least when done by a guy who's orange instead of mocha

I thought about that a good bit...the resistance Obama faced.  It was likely a bit more rabid due to his skin color, but a lilly-white democRAT in that office would have faced the same resistance to each and every proposal.  I don't think it can all be chalked up to skin color, or even most of it.  

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On 10/9/2017 at 8:36 PM, Spatial Ed said:

For how long?  Hasn't the crime rate in Chicago been pretty bad since Capone?

That’s a question for Chicagoans.

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Back on topic.....  I think we all agree that Shitcago's draconian gun lawz are not working because its apparently too easy to drive across a state line and bring weapons into the city.  Can we at least all agree with that???

So, how do we address it?  I have an idea...... Why don't we cordon off the city of Chiraq and have checkpoints at every entry point into the city and inspect trucks, cars, trains, boats, airplanes, etc that come in?  And once the cordon is in place, then we could go door to door at every house and apartment in Garfield Park, Englewood and other high violent crime neighborhoods and search for gunz.  Get them the fuck out of the hands of the bad guys. 

500 murders so far and only 8 months into the year.  Why is this so hard to do?  SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!!!

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2 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Back on topic.....  I think we all agree that Shitcago's draconian gun lawz are not working because its apparently too easy to drive across a state line and bring weapons into the city.  Can we at least all agree with that???

So, how do we address it?  I have an idea...... Why don't we cordon off the city of Chiraq and have checkpoints at every entry point into the city and inspect trucks, cars, trains, boats, airplanes, etc that come in?  And once the cordon is in place, then we could go door to door at every house and apartment in Garfield Park, Englewood and other high violent crime neighborhoods and search for gunz.  Get them the fuck out of the hands of the bad guys. 

500 murders so far and only 8 months into the year.  Why is this so hard to do?  SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!!!

give up the 4th Amendment?? fuck you.................illegal search  ?   I'm guessin ya just search the dark colored guys?

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4 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

I have an idea...... Why don't we cordon off the city of Chiraq and have checkpoints at every entry point into the city and inspect trucks, cars, trains, boats, airplanes, etc that come in? 

When was the last time (if ever) you drove into Chicago?  Or ridden a train into Chicago?  I hope you were joking.  

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5 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Back on topic.....  I think we all agree that Shitcago's draconian gun lawz are not working because its apparently too easy to drive across a state line and bring weapons into the city.  Can we at least all agree with that???

So, how do we address it?  I have an idea...... Why don't we cordon off the city of Chiraq and have checkpoints at every entry point into the city and inspect trucks, cars, trains, boats, airplanes, etc that come in?  And once the cordon is in place, then we could go door to door at every house and apartment in Garfield Park, Englewood and other high violent crime neighborhoods and search for gunz.  Get them the fuck out of the hands of the bad guys. 

500 murders so far and only 8 months into the year.  Why is this so hard to do?  SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!!!

I'm always curious why people shout SOMETHING HAVE TO BE DONE at things they don't understand, but don't shout 'SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE' about stuff they are much more familiar with. For instance, 22 toddlers shot adults with guns last year, with 3 adults killed and a dozen toddlers injured.  No "SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE" to those murderous toddlers.

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2 hours ago, dacapo said:

give up the 4th Amendment?? fuck you.................illegal search  ?   I'm guessin ya just search the dark colored guys?

Why is the 4th any more important than the 2nd Amendment???  Don't you want to stop the killings there?

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9 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

I'm always curious why people shout SOMETHING HAVE TO BE DONE at things they don't understand, but don't shout 'SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE' about stuff they are much more familiar with. For instance, 22 toddlers shot adults with guns last year, with 3 adults killed and a dozen toddlers injured.  No "SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE" to those murderous toddlers.

It was only a matter of time before someone changed the subject from MURDER to ACCIDENTAL SHOOTINGS.  Next up.... SUICIDE!

Well done, Clean.  Right on cue.  

 

Edit to add:  so 3 adults killed out of 300,000,000 is really the subject you want to divert to when there have been 500 homicides in a single city alone in less than 8 months???  Really?  Besides, those 3 adults killed by toddlers deserve to be dead for being fucking stupid and leaving a gun out where a toddler can get to it.  At least they can't breed anymore.....  Just sayin

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This thread is not about gun control. It is about the media attention given to 59 deaths in Vegas versus the indifference displayed toward statistics like Chicago.  

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1 minute ago, Hillary said:

This thread is not about gun control. It is about the media attention given to 59 deaths in Vegas versus the indifference displayed toward statistics like Chicago.  

I'll bet most of the 59 dead were white, especially given it was a country music concert.  So there is your answer.  Black Lives Matter to the media only when it sells ad space.

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12 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

I'll bet most of the 59 dead were white, especially given it was a country music concert.  So there is your answer.  Black Lives Matter to the media only when it sells ad space.

I worry that it is more a question of us liberals sweeping inconvenient truths under the media rugs. There is no percentage for my party to harp on the failure in the cities we have always controlled. Can't have the unwashed masses peeking behind the curtain. They might cotton on to the fact that liberalism does not work.

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28 minutes ago, Hillary said:

I worry that it is more a question of us liberals sweeping inconvenient truths under the media rugs. There is no percentage for my party to harp on the failure in the cities we have always controlled. Can't have the unwashed masses peeking behind the curtain. They might cotton on to the fact that liberalism does not work.

 “Liberalism is white supremacy.”   likely actual BLM chant.

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1 hour ago, Hillary said:

I worry that it is more a question of us liberals sweeping inconvenient truths under the media rugs. There is no percentage for my party to harp on the failure in the cities we have always controlled. Can't have the unwashed masses peeking behind the curtain. They might cotton on to the fact that liberalism does not work.

Republicans have been in charge for nearly ten months now, why is the problem unchanged?

July 28, 2017

"So, Chicago is having this unbelievable violence. People being killed -- 4, 5, 6 in a weekend and I'm saying, 'What is going on?'"

At Suffolk County Community College in Brentwood, N.Y.

July 25, 2017

"What the hell is going on in Chicago? Better tell that mayor to get tough because it's not working what they're doing."

At a rally in Youngstown, Ohio

Jan. 25, 2017

"So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that ... They weren't shot at the speech. But they were shot in the city of Chicago during his speech."

First interview as president with ABC News' David Muir

ABOUT WHAT TRUMP SAID

This quote contains a false assertion. No one was killed in Chicago during President Barack Obama's farewell address. The Tribune's crime database showed no slayings for about 24 hours before and after Obama's speech, which lasted from 8:02 to 8:53 p.m.

Sept. 26, 2016

"In Chicago, they've had thousands of shootings, thousands since January 1st. Thousands of shootings. And I'm saying, where is this? Is this a war-torn country? What are we doing?"

During the first presidential debate against Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y.

Sept. 22, 2016

"Chicago is out of control ... You have 3,000 people shot and so many people dying -- I mean, it's worse than some of the places we're hearing about, like Afghanistan."

During an interview on Fox News Channel's "Fox & Friends"

Aug. 27, 2016

Dwyane Wade's cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in Chicago. Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!

 
 

ABOUT WHAT TRUMP SAID

Trump initially misspelled Chicago Bulls star Dwyane Wade's first name as Dwayne, but that wasn't the main reason he was criticized for this tweet. Some accused him of using a tragedy to promote his campaign. Hours later, he tweeted a more subdued and straightforward message of sympathy for the family. As for African-Americans voting for Trump, exit polls indicate he got about 8 percent of the black vote.

Aug. 22, 2016

"... when I was in Chicago, I got to meet a couple of very top police. I said, 'How do you stop this? How do you stop this? If you were put in charge -- to a specific person -- do you think you could stop it?' He said, 'Mr. Trump, I'd be able to stop it in one week.' And I believed him 100 percent."

During an interview on Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor"

ABOUT WHAT TRUMP SAID

Trump never revealed which "very top police" official told him he could solve Chicago's violence problem in a single week. After Trump's comment last August, Chicago police said the presidential candidate had not met with top brass since at least March.

July 21, 2016

"In the president's hometown of Chicago, more than 2,000 people have been the victims of shootings this year alone. And almost 4,000 have been killed in the Chicago area since he took office."

Speech accepting the party's nomination during the Republican National Convention in Cleveland

July 12, 2016

Crime is out of control, and rapidly getting worse. Look what is going on in Chicago and our inner cities. Not good!

 
 

July 12, 2016

"Since President Obama became president, almost 5,000 killings in Chicago and nobody talks about it."

At a campaign rally in Westerfield, Ind., outside Indianapolis

March 12, 2016

The organized group of people, many of them thugs, who shut down our First Amendment rights in Chicago, have totally energized America!

 
 

ABOUT WHAT TRUMP SAID

Trump called off his March 11, 2016, rally at the UIC Pavilion, citing security concerns after it was clear that sizeable numbers of protesters had secured seats inside the arena. Chicago police said they were not consulted in the decision to cancel the rally.

March 12, 2016

It is Clinton and Sanders people who disrupted my rally in Chicago - and then they say I must talk to my people. Phony politicians!

 
 

March 11, 2016

"I love Chicago. I have big investments in Chicago, and I think it's a great city."

During a TV interview on Fox News Channel's "Hannity"

Feb. 22, 2016

I hear the Rickets family, who own the Chicago Cubs, are secretly spending $'s against me. They better be careful, they have a lot to hide!

 
 

ABOUT WHAT TRUMP SAID

Trump tweeted his denunciation of the Ricketts family after USA Today reported that Marlene Ricketts, matriarch of the family that owns the Chicago Cubs, had put $3 million into the Our Principles PAC, which opposed Trump. The then-frontrunner for the GOP nomination did not clarify what he meant by "they have a lot to hide." Eventually, members of the Ricketts family backed Trump, and Marlene's son Todd was nominated as deputy commerce secretary.

July 2, 2015

"@Non_PC_Guy: @HoustonGunn @Macys In Chicago we're still mourning loss of once great Marshall Fields, to mediocre Macys. Screw Macys!"

 
 

June 29, 2015

Speaking at the City Club of Chicago. Sold out in minutes with thousands on the wait list!… https://instagram.com/p/4hZBNGmhR1/ 

 
 

June 29, 2015

"@MollyCBS2: @realDonaldTrump will speak @ #Chicago city club today; Reports claim 2,000 people are on the WAITING LIST to get in!"

 
 

June 29, 2015

"@Jaguar11d: @realDonaldTrump Have a great time in Chicago today. You are the best person for the job"

 
 

June 29, 2015

I will be speaking at the City Club of Chicago luncheon today where they turned away thousands of people (Sun Times). Get a larger room!

 
 

June 29, 2015

"I read that somebody said -- it just stuck with me-- that Chicago is more dangerous than Afghanistan. That's a hell of a quote. Now, I don't know if it is. But when you look at all these kids being killed on a daily basis, it hurts Chicago very badly."

While speaking to the Chicago Tribune Editorial Board

ABOUT WHAT TRUMP SAID

The need to fight Chicago violence has been an ongoing theme of Trump -- and one that has gained power from the city's rise in shootings in recent years. Speaking to the Chicago Tribune editorial board June 29, 2015, the presidential candidate made a comparison that he would revisit several times -- that Chicago may be as dangerous as Afghanistan. The Chicago homicide toll has been higher than the American death toll in Afghanistan for every year of the war but 2010. But it's way below the over-all war toll when Afghans are included. (Chicago has had about 8,000 homicides since the Afghan war started in 2001, while the actual war toll exceeds 100,000.) As far as Chicago's image as "the crime capital of the world," perception is different from reality. Even with Chicago's alarming spike in violence in 2016, it was much safer than St. Louis, Baltimore and Detroit on a per capita basis, according to an analysis by the FivethirtyEight website.

June 28, 2015

Will be in Chicago tomorrow for a record setting (by far) luncheon.

 
 

June 18, 2015

Trump Int'l Hotel & Tower, Chicago, has received accolades for design, service & our signature restaurant, "Sixteen" http://www.trump.com/Hotel_Collection/Trump_Chicago/Trump_Chicago.asp 

 
 

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This boy has been yelling and screaming about Chicago for a long time. What's he done about it? He has both Houses of Congress, he hasn't done a single thing. This is his problem now, Obama and Hillary are long gone, Donald Trump has done nothing.

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You didn't actually think he was talking about Chicago like he meant to fix it do you?  He was almost certainly mentioning Chicago because, let's face it, the Trump supporters all know who is doing the killing in Chicago.  He tweeted all that stuff about Chicago to further the resolve of the racists that support him.  He crafted a narrative that fit right into their world view so was doing little more than pandering to the racist mass of the alt right for their vote.

I will give credit where credit is due and say that the DT campaign did an amazing job exploiting social media.  Every tweet, every facebook add from the russians, all of it, was purposely sent out to the people it was sent out to, in order to gain support for Trump.

The Chicago tweets, while directly saying Chicago is a violent city, and needed to be fixed, really meant "these N'ers are violent people, so forget them, we're gonna get rid of their welfare and healthcare"  Or if you weren't so racist as to believe that, the message came across as "white people are the best."  The DT campaign just did a great job researching how to say the above, without saying the above.  The tweets and ads were so vague and obtuse, you could take them to mean whatever you want.  It was a brilliant and effective strategy.  

Sadly, that strategy worked for those with the mental capacity of a 12 year old, to elect a guy with the mental capacity of a 12 year old, as we are now seeing.

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5 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

I'll bet most of the 59 dead were white, especially given it was a country music concert.  So there is your answer.  Black Lives Matter to the media only when it sells ad space.

I pointed that out already...

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4 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Republicans have been in charge for nearly ten months now, why is the problem unchanged?

July 28, 2017

"So, Chicago is having this unbelievable violence. People being killed -- 4, 5, 6 in a weekend and I'm saying, 'What is going on?'"

At Suffolk County Community College in Brentwood, N.Y.

July 25, 2017

"What the hell is going on in Chicago? Better tell that mayor to get tough because it's not working what they're doing."

At a rally in Youngstown, Ohio

Jan. 25, 2017

"So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that ... They weren't shot at the speech. But they were shot in the city of Chicago during his speech."

First interview as president with ABC News' David Muir

ABOUT WHAT TRUMP SAID

This quote contains a false assertion. No one was killed in Chicago during President Barack Obama's farewell address. The Tribune's crime database showed no slayings for about 24 hours before and after Obama's speech, which lasted from 8:02 to 8:53 p.m.

Sept. 26, 2016

"In Chicago, they've had thousands of shootings, thousands since January 1st. Thousands of shootings. And I'm saying, where is this? Is this a war-torn country? What are we doing?"

During the first presidential debate against Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y.

Sept. 22, 2016

"Chicago is out of control ... You have 3,000 people shot and so many people dying -- I mean, it's worse than some of the places we're hearing about, like Afghanistan."

During an interview on Fox News Channel's "Fox & Friends"

Aug. 27, 2016

Dwyane Wade's cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in Chicago. Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!

 
 

ABOUT WHAT TRUMP SAID

Trump initially misspelled Chicago Bulls star Dwyane Wade's first name as Dwayne, but that wasn't the main reason he was criticized for this tweet. Some accused him of using a tragedy to promote his campaign. Hours later, he tweeted a more subdued and straightforward message of sympathy for the family. As for African-Americans voting for Trump, exit polls indicate he got about 8 percent of the black vote.

Aug. 22, 2016

"... when I was in Chicago, I got to meet a couple of very top police. I said, 'How do you stop this? How do you stop this? If you were put in charge -- to a specific person -- do you think you could stop it?' He said, 'Mr. Trump, I'd be able to stop it in one week.' And I believed him 100 percent."

During an interview on Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor"

ABOUT WHAT TRUMP SAID

Trump never revealed which "very top police" official told him he could solve Chicago's violence problem in a single week. After Trump's comment last August, Chicago police said the presidential candidate had not met with top brass since at least March.

July 21, 2016

"In the president's hometown of Chicago, more than 2,000 people have been the victims of shootings this year alone. And almost 4,000 have been killed in the Chicago area since he took office."

Speech accepting the party's nomination during the Republican National Convention in Cleveland

July 12, 2016

Crime is out of control, and rapidly getting worse. Look what is going on in Chicago and our inner cities. Not good!

 
 

July 12, 2016

"Since President Obama became president, almost 5,000 killings in Chicago and nobody talks about it."

At a campaign rally in Westerfield, Ind., outside Indianapolis

March 12, 2016

The organized group of people, many of them thugs, who shut down our First Amendment rights in Chicago, have totally energized America!

 
 

ABOUT WHAT TRUMP SAID

Trump called off his March 11, 2016, rally at the UIC Pavilion, citing security concerns after it was clear that sizeable numbers of protesters had secured seats inside the arena. Chicago police said they were not consulted in the decision to cancel the rally.

March 12, 2016

It is Clinton and Sanders people who disrupted my rally in Chicago - and then they say I must talk to my people. Phony politicians!

 
 

March 11, 2016

"I love Chicago. I have big investments in Chicago, and I think it's a great city."

During a TV interview on Fox News Channel's "Hannity"

Feb. 22, 2016

I hear the Rickets family, who own the Chicago Cubs, are secretly spending $'s against me. They better be careful, they have a lot to hide!

 
 

ABOUT WHAT TRUMP SAID

Trump tweeted his denunciation of the Ricketts family after USA Today reported that Marlene Ricketts, matriarch of the family that owns the Chicago Cubs, had put $3 million into the Our Principles PAC, which opposed Trump. The then-frontrunner for the GOP nomination did not clarify what he meant by "they have a lot to hide." Eventually, members of the Ricketts family backed Trump, and Marlene's son Todd was nominated as deputy commerce secretary.

July 2, 2015

"@Non_PC_Guy: @HoustonGunn @Macys In Chicago we're still mourning loss of once great Marshall Fields, to mediocre Macys. Screw Macys!"

 
 

June 29, 2015

Speaking at the City Club of Chicago. Sold out in minutes with thousands on the wait list!… https://instagram.com/p/4hZBNGmhR1/ 

 
 

June 29, 2015

"@MollyCBS2: @realDonaldTrump will speak @ #Chicago city club today; Reports claim 2,000 people are on the WAITING LIST to get in!"

 
 

June 29, 2015

"@Jaguar11d: @realDonaldTrump Have a great time in Chicago today. You are the best person for the job"

 
 

June 29, 2015

I will be speaking at the City Club of Chicago luncheon today where they turned away thousands of people (Sun Times). Get a larger room!

 
 

June 29, 2015

"I read that somebody said -- it just stuck with me-- that Chicago is more dangerous than Afghanistan. That's a hell of a quote. Now, I don't know if it is. But when you look at all these kids being killed on a daily basis, it hurts Chicago very badly."

While speaking to the Chicago Tribune Editorial Board

ABOUT WHAT TRUMP SAID

The need to fight Chicago violence has been an ongoing theme of Trump -- and one that has gained power from the city's rise in shootings in recent years. Speaking to the Chicago Tribune editorial board June 29, 2015, the presidential candidate made a comparison that he would revisit several times -- that Chicago may be as dangerous as Afghanistan. The Chicago homicide toll has been higher than the American death toll in Afghanistan for every year of the war but 2010. But it's way below the over-all war toll when Afghans are included. (Chicago has had about 8,000 homicides since the Afghan war started in 2001, while the actual war toll exceeds 100,000.) As far as Chicago's image as "the crime capital of the world," perception is different from reality. Even with Chicago's alarming spike in violence in 2016, it was much safer than St. Louis, Baltimore and Detroit on a per capita basis, according to an analysis by the FivethirtyEight website.

June 28, 2015

Will be in Chicago tomorrow for a record setting (by far) luncheon.

 
 

June 18, 2015

Trump Int'l Hotel & Tower, Chicago, has received accolades for design, service & our signature restaurant, "Sixteen" http://www.trump.com/Hotel_Collection/Trump_Chicago/Trump_Chicago.asp 

 
 

SOURCES: Twitter, Tribune archives

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This boy has been yelling and screaming about Chicago for a long time. What's he done about it? He has both Houses of Congress, he hasn't done a single thing. This is his problem now, Obama and Hillary are long gone, Donald Trump has done nothing.

I stopped reading at Republicans. 

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6 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Why is the 4th any more important than the 2nd Amendment???  Don't you want to stop the killings there?

Do it for the children

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I don't understand why $2 TRILLION has been spent on wars in the Middle East but there is so much violence in Chicago. And so much poverty there (and elsewhere).  

I don't understand why Kinder Eggs are banned but even modest suggestions of gun control are rejected.  

Not all the victims of the Las Vegas shooting were American:  four Canadians were murdered as well.  

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1 hour ago, Cal20sailor said:

In the future, stop quoting when you stop reading.  

In the what?

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10 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

I'm always curious why people shout SOMETHING HAVE TO BE DONE at things they don't understand, but don't shout 'SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE' about stuff they are much more familiar with. For instance, 22 toddlers shot adults with guns last year, with 3 adults killed and a dozen toddlers injured.  No "SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE" to those murderous toddlers.

Are you a MAROON? 3 Adults killed actoss US! 500 dead in Chicago!!!!! 8 months!!!!!

 

Yes,  you ate a maroon.

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22 minutes ago, warbird said:

Are you a MAROON? 3 Adults killed actoss US! 500 dead in Chicago!!!!! 8 months!!!!!

 

Yes,  you ate a macaroon.

FTFY

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On 10/9/2017 at 11:25 AM, Hillary said:

Why is this ho hum to the media and Vegas is a month long political feeding frenzy? Is there some kind of double standard in play here?

I blame Trump, Republicans, the gun show loophole and the NRA. 

 

Nope

 

i blame the media.  If CNN, NBC, NYT, all ran with the story it would get coverage. But that would reflect poorly on the Dem Mayor who was Obama’s buddy. 

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1 hour ago, Snore said:

Nope

 

i blame the media.  If CNN, NBC, NYT, all ran with the story it would get coverage. But that would reflect poorly on the Dem Mayor who was Obama’s buddy. 

It is OK for niggas to shoot niggas as long as long as not to many are registered voters........

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9 hours ago, warbird said:

It is OK for niggas to shoot niggas as long as long as not to many are registered voters........

So you are saying that CNN, etc is racist?  I disagree they are political and the politics of highlighting black on black crime is that it wil highlight the failure of Democratic initiatives.  

Whereas Donnie has made himself an easy target 

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19 hours ago, sail611 said:

You didn't actually think he was talking about Chicago like he meant to fix it do you?  He was almost certainly mentioning Chicago because, let's face it, the Trump supporters all know who is doing the killing in Chicago.  He tweeted all that stuff about Chicago to further the resolve of the racists that support him.  He crafted a narrative that fit right into their world view so was doing little more than pandering to the racist mass of the alt right for their vote.

I will give credit where credit is due and say that the DT campaign did an amazing job exploiting social media.  Every tweet, every facebook add from the russians, all of it, was purposely sent out to the people it was sent out to, in order to gain support for Trump.

The Chicago tweets, while directly saying Chicago is a violent city, and needed to be fixed, really meant "these N'ers are violent people, so forget them, we're gonna get rid of their welfare and healthcare"  Or if you weren't so racist as to believe that, the message came across as "white people are the best."  The DT campaign just did a great job researching how to say the above, without saying the above.  The tweets and ads were so vague and obtuse, you could take them to mean whatever you want.  It was a brilliant and effective strategy.  

Sadly, that strategy worked for those with the mental capacity of a 12 year old, to elect a guy with the mental capacity of a 12 year old, as we are now seeing.

That has been noted before...

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President Lyndon Johnson got on the phone with Mayor Daley. The White House secretly recorded their call, as Daley made the case for gun control.

WHITE HOUSE TAPE DALEY: Something has to be done, Mr. President, about the sale of the guns.

Daley's voice can be heard faintly on the tape. Here's actor Neil Giuntoli, reading Daley's words to LBJ.

GIUNTOLI/DALEY: Outside the suburbs in the city, we have control, but what the hell, in the suburbs, there are — you go out to all around our suburbs and you've got people out there, especially the non-white, are buying guns right and left. Shotguns and rifles and pistols and everything else. There's no registration. There's no, and you know, they've had trouble with this national gun law, but after the president's assassination, someone ought to do something.

And they did something.

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3 hours ago, Snore said:

So you are saying that CNN, etc is racist?  I disagree they are political and the politics of highlighting black on black crime is that it wil highlight the failure of Democratic initiatives.  

Whereas Donnie has made himself an easy target 

MSM is racist in that they don't care. Anything that is important and supports the lib agenda gets plenty of coverage on MSM.

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8 minutes ago, warbird said:

MSM is racist in that they don't care. Anything that is important and supports the lib agenda gets plenty of coverage on MSM.

Question for you - is it a "conspiracy" or is it a reaction to the market. Meaning, articles about a killing in Chicago gets no clicks, but a mass murder of white kids, gets lots of clicks?

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4 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Question for you - is it a "conspiracy" or is it a reaction to the market. Meaning, articles about a killing in Chicago gets no clicks, but a mass murder of white kids, gets lots of clicks?

It is a "frame of mind". If one station reports  a train derailment or school bus accident, other networks follow suit.

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8 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Question for you - is it a "conspiracy" or is it a reaction to the market. Meaning, articles about a killing in Chicago gets no clicks, but a mass murder of white kids, gets lots of clicks?

Las Vegas:  This could happen to anyone anywhere.

Chicago:  This could happen to you if you are a young black male running with gangs in South Chicago

Which has broader mass appeal?  

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8 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

Las Vegas:  This could happen to anyone anywhere.

Chicago:  This could happen to you if you are a young black male running with gangs in South Chicago

Which has broader mass appeal?  

+1

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4 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Question for you - is it a "conspiracy" or is it a reaction to the market. Meaning, articles about a killing in Chicago gets no clicks, but a mass murder of white kids, gets lots of clicks?

 

I agree the root of our issue is money!  

 

There was a James Bond movies years ago where a media mogul was starting a war for the ratings so he could make money.  

 

Current media coverage is almost that bad. They are driven by clicks and ratings. 

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7 minutes ago, Snore said:

 

d. They are driven by clicks and ratings. 

and donny isn;t ??

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36 minutes ago, Snore said:

 

Current media coverage is almost that bad. They are driven by clicks and ratings. 

 There was a time, in the not too distant past, when there were only a couple of channels of broadcast TV, and a few papers that could be considered to have national reach. Advertisers were kinda dependent on them, and viewers didn't have much choice. So the "news" arms were fairly independent.

 

Now - none of that is true. PA has international reach. Viewers have almost infinite choice on "channel" and advertisers can pay for clicks from anywhere. Now - news orgs have to compete for $s. So - if it bleeds it leads. If she's a dead, young, cute, blond, all the better.

Blaming the "Meediuh" that they chase $s is like blaming rice for being white.

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6 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Question for you - is it a "conspiracy" or is it a reaction to the market. Meaning, articles about a killing in Chicago gets no clicks, but a mass murder of white kids, gets lots of clicks?

Not even blacks in Chicago are speaking out to put a stop to the murder there.

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1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

 Blaming the "Meediuh" that they chase $s is like blaming rice for being white.

 

First I don’t like white rice— but that is another thread. 

 

So so what is the solution?  Allow a media to continue to say/print what they want under the protection of the First Amendment?

Have a Prez that screams about fake news that sometimes is not fake?

IMHO it starts with ending the use of unnamed sources.  Perhaps they should call them “potentially fake sources”.  There is a big difference between a whistleblower who puts a major issue and someone who says so-and-so called him a moron.  

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1 hour ago, Snore said:

 

First I don’t like white rice— but that is another thread. 

 

So so what is the solution?  Allow a media to continue to say/print what they want under the protection of the First Amendment?

Have a Prez that screams about fake news that sometimes is not fake?

IMHO it starts with ending the use of unnamed sources.  Perhaps they should call them “potentially fake sources”.  There is a big difference between a whistleblower who puts a major issue and someone who says so-and-so called him a moron.  

We have enjoyed a media explosion. Problem is , one side sees the failure of the Mainstream, the other side disparages all but the mainstream.....

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4 hours ago, Rockdog said:

Not even blacks in Chicago are speaking out to put a stop to the murder there.

That's a load of bullshit.  Only reason you don't hear about it, is there's no clicks in it.  

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20151201/downtown/chicagoans-actually-do-protest-violence-their-communities-all-time

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-tyshawn-lee-the-march-turner-20151104-column.html

 

Neighbourhood next to mine, got into gawker a couple times this summer because some of the locals were protesting it. 

You had to read the comments,  to find out there's an anti-gang-violence march through the neighbourhood every week.

 

 

1000x563

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-violence-vigil-emanuel-house-20161221-story.html

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Rockdog said:

Not even blacks in Chicago are speaking out to put a stop to the murder there.

How the fuck would you know? They could be screaming from the rooftops and you'd ignore what they say....

 

edit: Frenchie beat me to it.

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3 hours ago, Snore said:

 

First I don’t like white rice— but that is another thread. 

 

So so what is the solution?  Allow a media to continue to say/print what they want under the protection of the First Amendment?

Have a Prez that screams about fake news that sometimes is not fake?

IMHO it starts with ending the use of unnamed sources.  Perhaps they should call them “potentially fake sources”.  There is a big difference between a whistleblower who puts a major issue and someone who says so-and-so called him a moron.  

I've no issue with the media using anonymous sources, and I find it humorous that the Prez gets riled up.  He ain't the first one to deal with leakers.

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14 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

 

Seig heil!

You think this isn't significant?

Impeachable

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5 hours ago, frenchie said:

That's a load of bullshit.  Only reason you don't hear about it, is there's no clicks in it.  

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20151201/downtown/chicagoans-actually-do-protest-violence-their-communities-all-time

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-tyshawn-lee-the-march-turner-20151104-column.html

 

Neighbourhood next to mine, got into gawker a couple times this summer because some of the locals were protesting it. 

You had to read the comments,  to find out there's an anti-gang-violence march through the neighbourhood every week.

 

 

1000x563

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-violence-vigil-emanuel-house-20161221-story.html

 

 

 

It'd be nice if the media covered that stuff a bit more, maybe get some momentum behind it....

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