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Hello all,

I wanted to tell you about a cool adventure that my friends and I have started. The 2018 Bermuda race has always been a goal of mine to do, turns out my friends shared the same interest. This past summer we began planning out the race, we figure that this will be the youngest crew to complete the race with an average age of 19. Our skipper may also be the youngest skipper at 18. All of us have been racing since before we can remember and between us have thousands of miles. We are taking the skippers' fathers boat, a 47-foot steel hulled vessel, not great for competitive racing unless it is blowing 30 but winning isn't everything. Since we are such a young crew we are trying to raise money from sailors who see this as a cool venture to get young sailors doing long distance races. Now here I am going to put on my solicitor's hat and ask that if you wish to help us out on the voyage to Bermuda this coming summer we have a go fund me page. (https://www.gofundme.com/newport-to-bermuda-race-2018?lang=en-US) Thank you for your time and if you have any tips, advise, or just want to wish us luck please leave a comment.

Thank you from the crew of Feo   

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So a practical question: the Bermuda race has a minimum experience level requirement of ocean racing amongst the crew. How do you all plan to meet that requirement?

 

additionally, please be more transparent about your budgeting. Sailors are a well off but thrifty lot. They want to know they'll be supporting you on an endeavor that could actually happen, rather than throwing good money after bad. This will be a significantly expensive endeavor, how are you planning to fund safety equipment, dockage in newport and Bermuda, food, your delivery home, etc etc etc. not to mention the not insignificant entry fee. How much have others pledged to contribute or is gofund me your only plan? 

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22 hours ago, A-NU-START said:

So a practical question: the Bermuda race has a minimum experience level requirement of ocean racing amongst the crew. How do you all plan to meet that requirement?

 

additionally, please be more transparent about your budgeting. Sailors are a well off but thrifty lot. They want to know they'll be supporting you on an endeavor that could actually happen, rather than throwing good money after bad. This will be a significantly expensive endeavor, how are you planning to fund safety equipment, dockage in newport and Bermuda, food, your delivery home, etc etc etc. not to mention the not insignificant entry fee. How much have others pledged to contribute or is gofund me your only plan? 

We have one crew member who has done the race before, one who has done the Halifax, two crew members who have done deliveries from Maine to Florida and gone through Bermuda. The boat has done the race before so all of the gear is to spec and has most of the safety gear. and the more expensive stuff we are borrowing from people who already have it and are not racing. entry fee will probably be covered mostly by the crew. money raised will go to food and dockage, as for the return the crew will be able to bring it back. We have made sure that we have enough experience to qualify and have worked with some people on staff to make sure we know what we need to do. 

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You seriously expect people to pay for your food. Really?

Given you would have to eat whether you do the race or not that seems amazing to me.

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3 minutes ago, DtM said:

You seriously expect people to pay for your food. Really?

Given you would have to eat whether you do the race or not that seems amazing to me.

Yes, we could work all year to get enough money to do the race and solely benefit from it and any potential publicity, but that doesn't help out the younger generation of sailors. A big part of this is to show that a young group of sailors with the help of the sailing community can go out and achieve success in one of the biggest offshore races in the world. We want this to help advance youth sailing, to encourage young sailors to compete in big races. Also, we do not expect that people will just want to give us a free ride to Bermuda that is why I am not on here begging people for money. If you feel like you this is something you wish to support you can donate or just give advice from previous races anything is helpful.  

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I applaud your efforts and certainly don't want to discourage you guys from trying, but the Bermuda race requirements are quite prescriptive.  The skipper, navigator, and watch captain must have done a previous Bermuda race or similar race IN THAT CAPACITY.  That is the tough part.  They don't invite people just because they want to do the race.  If anything I would be afraid that posts such as these as well as the go fund me site will undermine your credibility in the minds of the race organizers, and you will have an uphill fight to get your application for entry accepted without any of those issues.

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On 10/30/2017 at 1:50 PM, vtsail said:

I applaud your efforts and certainly don't want to discourage you guys from trying, but the Bermuda race requirements are quite prescriptive.  The skipper, navigator, and watch captain must have done a previous Bermuda race or similar race IN THAT CAPACITY.  That is the tough part.  They don't invite people just because they want to do the race.  If anything I would be afraid that posts such as these as well as the go fund me site will undermine your credibility in the minds of the race organizers, and you will have an uphill fight to get your application for entry accepted without any of those issues.

Thank you for the support! 

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Hi,

Good on you guys for wanting to do the race and I hope you get to the start line.  As a boat captain and skipper of a couple boats with lots of young and shifting crew, I understand the amount of work that goes into getting to the start line.  However, I see you plan on sailing the 47ft boat with only 6 crew??  While sailing with a young average age is commendable I would highly recommend a few more crew and maybe one or two more people with a few Bermuda Races under their belt. 

Think about watch systems and different roles on the boat.  Happy to chat with you.

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9 hours ago, SeanAOH said:

Hi,

Good on you guys for wanting to do the race and I hope you get to the start line.  As a boat captain and skipper of a couple boats with lots of young and shifting crew, I understand the amount of work that goes into getting to the start line.  However, I see you plan on sailing the 47ft boat with only 6 crew??  While sailing with a young average age is commendable I would highly recommend a few more crew and maybe one or two more people with a few Bermuda Races under their belt. 

Think about watch systems and different roles on the boat.  Happy to chat with you.

You tell 'em!

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First off, really awesome initiative by these guys. I really hope it works out for you. As a someone youngish with a fairly significant amount of offshore time, I would highly suggest bringing at least one coach. You could easily find someone under 25 who is experienced and able to help you guys out. This race is no joke and you may think you are totally prepared until you come across a situation you aren't prepared for.

Best of luck

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On ‎11‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 8:29 AM, Sent191 said:

First off, really awesome initiative by these guys. I really hope it works out for you. As a someone youngish with a fairly significant amount of offshore time, I would highly suggest bringing at least one coach. You could easily find someone under 25 who is experienced and able to help you guys out. This race is no joke and you may think you are totally prepared until you come across a situation you aren't prepared for.

Best of luck

I can definitely back up this sentiment.  Before the BDA 2014 we replaced almost all the running rigging and resurfaced the winch drums, among a thousand other boat prep items. A few days into the race while pumping the main pretty aggressively one morning, we started to notice that the winch drum was wearing through the cover on the continuous mainsheet in multiple places.  If we hadn't had someone who could splice in  a new section of different (tougher) double braid line, while sitting on the cockpit sole, while the everyone else went about their business, we would have certainly ended up at the least opportune time with a flogging main and a sheet in multiple useless pieces. It was really nice work too, perfectly tapered and everything, I've seen much worse out of rigging shops.

All of this is to say there are a lot of situations that aren't exactly "sailing" that make up ocean racing, you gotta be covered for the contingencies.

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1 hour ago, CrushDigital said:

All of this is to say there are a lot of situations that aren't exactly "sailing" that make up ocean racing, you gotta be covered for the contingencies.

Truth.  You'll need an engine guy, electrical guru, medical officer, etc.  A rigger on board is never a bad idea either. ;) 

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On 10/30/2017 at 1:50 PM, vtsail said:

the Bermuda race requirements are quite prescriptive.  The skipper, navigator, and watch captain must have done a previous Bermuda race or similar race IN THAT CAPACITY. 

 

That's not actually the case.  Direct from the NOR,

"4.2 To apply for an invitation, submit an Application for Entry (“AFE”) and a $50 nonrefundable fee on the SailGate entry system by April 1, 2018. If the Captain and Navigator did not complete the 2014, or enter the 2016, Newport Bermuda Race in their respective capacities, the application must include an Offshore Experience Form detailing the Captain’s, Navigator’s and Watch Captains’ recent offshore sailing experience. The Technical Committee may also require additional information if the boat has not previously been rated in her current configuration under the rating rule applicable to the division for which she applied. 4.3 The OA may extend invitations to those that apply, provided: (1) the Qualifications Committee approves the Captain’s and Navigator’s offshore experience; and (2) the Technical Committee approves the boat’s eligibility for at least one of the race’s divisions, which are described as follows:"

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On 11/17/2017 at 11:38 AM, Merit 25 said:

Truth.  You'll need an engine guy, electrical guru, medical officer, etc.  A rigger on board is never a bad idea either. ;) 

I hear "a man who stitches cloth together" is good, maybe a "guy who is good at knots", or one that "knows how to read maps". :rolleyes:

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On 10/25/2017 at 1:10 AM, Starkey said:

Yes, we could work all year to get enough money to do the race and solely benefit from it and any potential publicity, but that doesn't help out the younger generation of sailors. A big part of this is to show that a young group of sailors with the help of the sailing community can go out and achieve success in one of the biggest offshore races in the world. We want this to help advance youth sailing, to encourage young sailors to compete in big races. Also, we do not expect that people will just want to give us a free ride to Bermuda that is why I am not on here begging people for money. If you feel like you this is something you wish to support you can donate or just give advice from previous races anything is helpful.  

I suggest you take a different approach. You're not showing anyone of the younger generation anything by coming here asking for a handout, and just doing the race itself won't garner you much publicity.

Start vlogging your preparations and training, on YT (yeah, as though YT needs another vlogging channel, I know, I know...) and get contributions that way, through Patreon or whatever. If you want your efforts to have some lasting impact regarding getting young folks into sailing, then you have to document it. Kill two birds with one stone.

But one of you is going to have to get good at video editing. I'd rather chew broken glass than watch another poorly made sailing video.

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Starkey, please contact headambassador at bermudarace dot com and we can put you together with an experienced Ambassador who can assist you, guide you and steer you towards official answers and entering the race.

Please reference in your email the SA Forum was where we reached out to you.

P.S. - Was that you that attended the Boat Preparation Seminar Brewers Pilots Point?

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We are here in Maine, too, and wish you luck in your endeavor.  We are not willing to subsidize your trip, but we frequently have work you might do.   If you're interested in earning part of your budget, drop me a PM.

 

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You could probably make a good business case if you just ask your fathers to give you some money to go away and never return....

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6 hours ago, sshow bob said:

We are here in Maine, too, and wish you luck in your endeavor.  We are not willing to subsidize your trip, but we frequently have work you might do.   If you're interested in earning part of your budget, drop me a PM.

 

For what its worth, my comment wasn't intended to be snarky - if you guys are looking for the opportunity to earn the money you need to race, please feel free to reach out to me by PM.

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A very kind offer Bob, good on you.  Interested to see if they take it up. 

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On 1/14/2018 at 10:00 PM, sshow bob said:

For what its worth, my comment wasn't intended to be snarky - if you guys are looking for the opportunity to earn the money you need to race, please feel free to reach out to me by PM.

Hi,

sorry for the late response, I haven't checked the thread in a while. Thank you for the support and where in Maine are you located? 

Sorry for the late response haven't been  

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