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On 1/9/2018 at 5:25 PM, axolotl said:

Au contraire my friend!  The GPS track timestamps shows the second by second track of the Sea Nymph  during the last three days of their voyage, a wealth of confusion:ge.thumb.jpg.e5731813f6f4c794b0e8e827167f8d65.jpg

Here's what we know:

  • Appel was rescued on the 25th.
  • Appel had been towed for 24 hours and had requested a tow to Midway Island (Atoll).
  • Midway Island is 1,400 miles East of where Appel was rescued.
  • Appel said the Navy was given coordinates that were 60 miles off of their actual rescue location which delayed the rescue.
  • "the sailors were spotted by a Taiwanese fishing boat, which called the Coast Guard in Guam and began to tow them."

It appears from the track that the Sea Nymph was under sail (based on her meandering course) averaging 3.7kn heading west from  prior to 10/23-10/24  when @02:35Z she abruptly headed N for about 2 miles, then proceeded East on a steady course as if under tow for the next 24 hours or so at an average speed of 3kn for about 60 miles, then abruptly began drifting North for a while until rescued.

One could conjecture that the fishing vessel reported the Sea Nymph's location upon discovery around  02:35Z 10/24.  The tow probably was more like 4kn which meant after 15 hours or so  the Sea Nymph was cast off to drift north for several hours, about 4 miles before rescue.  That would explain the 60 mile error in her position initially reported to the Navy.

Here's the Official Navy chronology: 

On Oct. 24, they were discovered 900 miles southeast of Japan by a Taiwanese fishing vessel. The fishing vessel contacted Coast Guard Sector Guam who then coordinated with Taipei Rescue Coordination Center, the Japan Coordination Center, and the Joint Coordination Center in Honolulu to render assistance.

Operating near the area on a routine deployment, Ashland made best speed to the location of the vessel in the early morning on Oct. 25 and arrived on scene at 10:30 a.m that morning. After assessing the sailboat unseaworthy, Ashland crew members brought the distressed mariners and their two dogs aboard the ship at 1:18 p.m.

Here's a blowup of the encounter with the fishing vessel:

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corrections:

the us navy was given a location 60 nm east of where they found us (not west like our original position)

I am trying to rectify our hst time date stamps in the paper log with the handheld gps - so for rough numbers - here goes:

we met FC66 at 16:57 hst 10.24.17  N27 56.520  E155 45.672

expected SAR before tow began

tow initiated at 20:09 hst 10.24.17  N27 58.475  E 155 46.416

1 failed tow and 3 full stops to empty bilge before N27 58.941 E155 52.239

01:31hst 10.25.17 location N27 58.491  E156 06.246 (about 19nm since meeting FC66)

03:00hst 10.25.17 N27 58.941  E156 14.735

04:48hst 10.25.17 N27 59.227  E156 24.846 (notes say: towing at right angles - tugged like a marlin on a line)

07:02hst 10.25.17 N27 59.099  E156 38.472 (notes say: slow, fast, L, Rt, stop, repeat)

I'm not sure how that handheld reads with the gps info I wrote down - these coordinates I am posting came from the wall gps and it often said 8nm during the speed up periods. The times are from the chronometer right beside the wall gps. (also a garmin) - clean saw the log data so he can confirm it is real

After the first tow failed we agreed on a max 3kt tow speed.

08:52hst 10.25.17 N27 59.351  E156 50.288  final cut away (personal note - they motored us down - not that backing up on us was a hard thing for them to do as they already had practice doing it earlier in the 'experience' and individuals went over the rail and boarded our boat for the third and final time)

We left the Sea Nymph at 0400Z according to the Navy - I think the handheld gps was shut off before we boarded Ashland.

 

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3 hours ago, Jennifer said:

corrections:

the us navy was given a location 60 nm east of where they found us (not west like our original position)

I am trying to rectify our hst time date stamps in the paper log with the handheld gps - so for rough numbers - here goes:

we met FC66 at 16:57 hst 10.24.17  N27 56.520  E155 45.672

expected SAR before tow began

tow initiated at 20:09 hst 10.24.17  N27 58.475  E 155 46.416

1 failed tow and 3 full stops to empty bilge before N27 58.941 E155 52.239

01:31hst 10.25.17 location N27 58.491  E156 06.246 (about 19nm since meeting FC66)

03:00hst 10.25.17 N27 58.941  E156 14.735

04:48hst 10.25.17 N27 59.227  E156 24.846 (notes say: towing at right angles - tugged like a marlin on a line)

07:02hst 10.25.17 N27 59.099  E156 38.472 (notes say: slow, fast, L, Rt, stop, repeat)

I'm not sure how that handheld reads with the gps info I wrote down - these coordinates I am posting came from the wall gps and it often said 8nm during the speed up periods. The times are from the chronometer right beside the wall gps. (also a garmin) - clean saw the log data so he can confirm it is real

After the first tow failed we agreed on a max 3kt tow speed.

08:52hst 10.25.17 N27 59.351  E156 50.288  final cut away (personal note - they motored us down - not that backing up on us was a hard thing for them to do as they already had practice doing it earlier in the 'experience' and individuals went over the rail and boarded our boat for the third and final time)

We left the Sea Nymph at 0400Z according to the Navy - I think the handheld gps was shut off before we boarded Ashland.

 

Thanks for the elucidation.  Two questions I haven't brought up before concerns the tow itself.  Assuming the fishing vessel was a large-scale longliner (over 75' and 100GRT) heading East to fishing grounds  anyhow,  wouldn't a 1,400 mile tow to Midway at 3 knots take  20 days?

I find it hard to believe the tow vessel would be willing to do so unless coaxed given that time is money, and that you would request such a tow of 1,400 miles given that your boat was apparently near being unseaworthy.  Obviously the towing attempt was quickly abandoned as untenable, but why was it even attempted?  Of course, we can't ask the tow vessel's skipper what his thoughts were, but what was your reasoning behind the tow request?  

And, why did you want to get towed to Midway? Entry into the Midway Islands is heavily restricted, and requires a special-use permit to visit, often from the U.S. Military or the US Fish and Wildlife Services. And they both generally only give permits to scientists and educators. Only 40 to 60 people live on the atoll, the staff of the US Fish and Wildlife Service and contract workers. There are no repair facilities,  only 6 moorings and a dinghy dock.  Fuel purchase is limited to 100 gallons (expensive Jet A fuel only, which allegedly makes marine diesels purr like kittens), and consumable stores are limited to snacks and alcohol(!).  There are no scheduled flights.  Since it's been a USFWS refuge since 1997, absolutely no pets are allowed.

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Since Appel took the liberty of posting my "last three days" Garmin track on FaceBook, I post her log of the trip from FaceBook.  Looks like a reasonable and accurate rendition.  Behold:

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Al Jazeera reporting Vestas has hit an object in the exact area Sea Nymph's drift pattern would place the abandoned vessel at.  They are proceeding to Hong Kong under jury rig and have dropped out of Volvo Ocean Race Leg 4  

Captain Appel refuses to comment. 

Mr Clean is trying to figure out how to monetize this, but keeps falling asleep to Cheech and Chong's 'Big Bambu' album  

more details as they develop ...

 

 

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8 minutes ago, TonyFromSheepsheadBay said:

Al Jazeera reporting Vestas has hit an object in the exact area Sea Nymph's drift pattern would place the abandoned vessel at.  They are proceeding to Hong Kong under jury rig and have dropped out of Volvo Ocean Race Leg 4  

Captain Appel refuses to comment. 

Mr Clean is trying to figure out how to monetize this, but keeps falling asleep to Cheech and Chong's 'Big Bambu' album  

more details as they develop ...

 

 

Knock knock knock ....... hey man,  where’s Dave? 

Huh, Dave’s not home................. 

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16 minutes ago, Keith said:

Knock knock knock ....... hey man,  where’s Dave? 

Huh, Dave’s not home................. 

How times have changed. Now the cops will carry you home and make sure your stash is tucked in.

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10 hours ago, Jennifer said:

I am trying to rectify our hst time date stamps in the paper log with the handheld gps - so for rough numbers - here goes:

-we will find the stops in the handheld garmin datas,
-what means "hst"
-have you also notes abaut 10.24.17   the sailing periode of the handheld garmin?

haribo

 

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7 hours ago, Ishmael said:

How times have changed. Now the cops will carry you home and make sure your stash is tucked in.

Maybe in Canuckistan. In the US, they don't knock anymore, they just scream at Dave to come out with his hands up as the SWAT team peppers the house with gunfire.

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6 hours ago, haribo said:

-we will find the stops in the handheld garmin datas,
-what means "hst"
-have you also notes abaut 10.24.17   the sailing periode of the handheld garmin?

haribo

 

HST is Hunter S. Thompson.  Because this story is as weird, twisted and strange as anything HST has ever written.

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52 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

Harrey S. Trueman to.                                            :)

Yeah but Truman was the buck stops here guy, hardly the case with the intrepid crew of this saga.

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24 minutes ago, Ed Lada said:

Yeah but Truman was the buck stops here guy, hardly the case with the intrepid crew of this saga.

True, I woudentte saye they "braine stoppes heare" kinda gange, NTTATWAT.  Butte lacka experinse wase wasa pertsistente probleme.

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1 minute ago, Snaggletooth said:

True, I woudentte saye they "braine stoppes heare" kinda gange, NTTATWAT.  Butte lacka experinse wase wasa pertsistente probleme.

They say that God favors the very young and the stupid.

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1 minute ago, Ed Lada said:

They say that God favors the very young and the stupid.

Ime dubbelle scruede!                                              :)

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11 hours ago, haribo said:

-we will find the stops in the handheld garmin datas,
-what means "hst"
-have you also notes abaut 10.24.17   the sailing periode of the handheld garmin?

haribo

 

hst=Hawaii Standard Time

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18 hours ago, axolotl said:

 Assuming the fishing vessel was a large-scale longliner (over 75' and 100GRT)

was fc66  not the taiwan "fong chun no. 66" ? 

55.9 x 8.5m; 496 to
MMSI 416002900

today fishing 470sm north east of midway

 

thank you ishmael for HST, then HST is UTC-10h

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53 minutes ago, haribo said:

was fc66  not the taiwan "fong chun no. 66" ? 

55.9 x 8.5m; 496 to
MMSI 416002900

today fishing 470sm north east of midway

 

thank you ishmael for HST, then HST is UTC-10h

Bigger than I thought.  It apparently cruises at about 10kn, 3 kn must have been excruciating.

Here's the initial Taiwanese news report on 10/27 prior to Appel's revelations of attempted murder (or worse).  Pretty amusing:

Two U.S. nationals who drifted off the sea five months after their ships lost their motivation were fortunate enough to meet Taiwan fishing vessels. Our national search and rescue command center was informed by the Fisheries Department at that time to assist Taiwanese fishing vessels and two American women to communicate Translate and urgently contact the search and rescue centers of the United States and Japan to assist in the haulage. 
 
Su Zhenjie, the State Department's executive search and rescue command center, said at 12:00 on the 24th of this month, Taiwan's time, notified by the Department that China's fishing boat "Fengchun 66" was located at 930 Sai Kung in southeast Tokyo, Japan and found that the American yacht "Sea Nymph Two U.S. nationals waved white flags on them and speculated that they needed help. As the two sides did not speak in Chinese, they assisted in the translation through the satellite phone at Feng Chun 66 and immediately contacted the U.S.-Japan search and rescue center for rescue. 
 
Chen Siyuan, the foreign affairs official in charge of translation, said at the time that "Feng Chun 66" was the first to give food and drinking water to two American women, but both said they were enough and two American women said they had drifted 5 at sea due to the loss of motivation Months later, the satellite phone on the boat is broken, I hope the Taiwan-China fishing boats can help tow the ship. 

After its assessment of communication with Fengchun 66, China National Astrology Center stayed in the area waiting for the arrival of U.S. warships for assistance. It requested that "Feng Chun 66" escort and wait for the arrival of the U.S. ship at 8 am the next morning, A total of 20 hours to help the successful return of American women. (Burst center land liters / Xinbei report)
 
 

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17 hours ago, TonyFromSheepsheadBay said:

Al Jazeera reporting Vestas has hit an object in the exact area Sea Nymph's drift pattern would place the abandoned vessel at.  They are proceeding to Hong Kong under jury rig and have dropped out of Volvo Ocean Race Leg 4  

Captain Appel refuses to comment. 

Mr Clean is trying to figure out how to monetize this, but keeps falling asleep to Cheech and Chong's 'Big Bambu' album  

more details as they develop ...

 

 

http://www.yachtingworld.com/races/volvo-ocean-race/vestas-11th-hour-racing-involved-in-fatal-collision-in-final-stages-of-volvo-ocean-race-leg-4-112112

 

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in this way is the date and time notet in the GPS track
I think the "Z" stand for ZULU, so the GPS time  will be NATO time or UTC-0 or GMT

if the ZULU time is correct and the bord time was HST than the foundet delta time is quite funny:

between ZULU and HST should be a differenz of -10 but I found +14!!!

so the datum an bord was 1 day wrong?  mistake on the DATE-LINE ?

 

 

for the following info´s from jennifer I found the GPS timestamp and lat/lon as follows:

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who can calculate sunrise and sunset in ZULU and HST for that day?

haribo

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time stamp is ZULU+14h,    in thi way it will be ~sea nymphs bord time
so the first tow start at  20:12, they redused the speed after the 3.stop
the night was quite stable
the end of tow was 2h later than jennifer´s infos ~ 11:00 the next day

the rest of her infos fits perfekt to the SeaNymphsTrack

I cut away the scala , be not very shure how exact my calculations are
it is  long time ago, since I learnd this sort of geometrie...

haribo

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On 1/20/2018 at 12:16 AM, Ishmael said:

How times have changed. Now the cops will carry you home and make sure your stash is tucked in.

And they won’t pinch out of it either!

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sea-track-detail2.jpg.d32de690c2ca5d4302bde254f7816d1d.jpg

with this infos becomes the track more sence
they chequed different kurses for finding better ways
and driftet between the stops to NW

the fisherman learnd fast to hold the position of his tow boat!
haribo

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20 hours ago, Ed Lada said:

They say that God favors the very young and the stupid.

They also say that He looks after drunks and fools. So we got that going for us, which is nice,

20 hours ago, Snaggletooth said:

Ime dubbelle scruede!                                              :)

Meet your brothers.

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11 hours ago, haribo said:

tow-4stops.png.7181b7c4463f670e8433bfe31df008e4.pngtow-night.thumb.png.c31635b877b60f195e4bf79321cf79e9.pngtow-cut-away.png.63b207f6928ccd4abaa542fa2072717a.png

time stamp is ZULU+14h,    in thi way it will be ~sea nymphs bord time
so the first tow start at  20:12, they redused the speed after the 3.stop
the night was quite stable
the end of tow was 2h later than jennifer´s infos ~ 11:00 the next day

the rest of her infos fits perfekt to the SeaNymphsTrack

I cut away the scala , be not very shure how exact my calculations are
it is  long time ago, since I learnd this sort of geometrie...

haribo

thank you - what are the blue lines?  speed? what was max tow speed?

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Appel is shopping a reality TV show concerning house rehab.  This one's to HGTV; she sent another one to (can't remember).

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Apparently both Appel's Landscape Architect licenses have expired; hopefully she'll fix that soon if her goal is to re-enter the market.

 

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Gentlemen,

While I have seen some posts where you either copied something the Daily Mail published or you decided it is funny to market something for me - please understand that I feel it is completely appropriate for consenting adults to behave in a legal manner 'behind closed doors' or out on the water.  It is even legal to publish that type of material in a protected adult forum.  However, when art that meets the Miller test is published in an open forum that makes that material available to minor chidren, it is a felony under the purview of the FBI in the United States and under INTERPOL's  purview outside of the United States.  If this forum does not restrict access to minor children, I strongly suggest you remove it immediately. The person who made the art is not liable - the genius who publishes it where it is accessible to minors is the felon.  

When the Daily Mail acknowledged receipt of my cease and desist order and then refused to remove the material from minor access the FBI and Interpol were called in to assist.  Each reproduction meeting the Miller test is a separate crime. 

I know few of you may believe this - somewhere around 2011 or before, I began skippering a weekly "booze cruise" of Waikiki.  All the other captains and skippers knew we would be naked and doing crass activities.  If they had children onboard with their tourists, they steered clear.  If it was adult tourists, the cap would ask if the tourists or crew members wanted to swing by us under sail and take pictures.  I actually expected that to come out in the press instead of the Miller test photos.   We had been doing this for so long everyone off Waikiki knows about it but the event was always invitation only.  That is how I earned the nickname "crazy Jen' - not from being a key-your-car/rabbit-in-the-pot looney but from doing the stuff other people fantasize about. (I was truly 'living the life'.)  Being naked on the water is a normal behavior for many people and many sailors.  Nobody ever tried to kill any of us for it nor was anyone ever upset about it.  We had many 'repeat offenders' over the years.  I hope they are still doing the cruise without me now.  Being naked or seeing myself without clothes on is never going to bother me but putting that information in front of a minor child is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPATBLE!!!

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18 minutes ago, axolotl said:

Apparently both Appel's Landscape Architect licenses have expired; hopefully she'll fix that soon if her goal is to re-enter the market.

 

thanks ax - not sure if that is truly accurate - I used to teach LEED classes for the AIA but I have never taken the LEED test or been registered as a LEED professional. The first house I built for myself helped set the LEED residential standards - that category didn't exist at the time.

I have had other practice licenses other than the two you noted and it didn't matter too much when I let them go - the knowledge didn't leave but the price of maintaining the stamp did.  I also don't have to carry professional practice insurance anymore either - not that E&O was ever worth the paper it was printted on.

I love my craft (whatever that might be at the time)

I'm guessing you have never seen any of the work I did before moving to Hawaii that won awards???

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19 minutes ago, Jennifer said:

 Being naked on the water is a normal behavior for many people and many sailors.  

Indeed. Nothing unusual about this chap.

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7 minutes ago, Jennifer said:

I'm guessing you have never seen any of the work I did before moving to Hawaii that won awards???

Wrong.   I'm quite familiar with your academic history, viewed your video presentations at professional conferences, read your patent about water storage in house walls, the CONUS sod roofscape projects you participated in which won awards;  in Hawaii the organic farm and the homeless microhouse efforts, et. al.  And some other stuff available online.

But, my focus is your Sea Nymph voyage, which  as a sailor for 45 years, I find curious concerning how such a well found boat went awry.

 

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31 minutes ago, axolotl said:

Wrong.   I'm quite familiar with your academic history, viewed your video presentations at professional conferences, read your patent about water storage in house walls, the CONUS sod roofscape projects you participated in which won awards;  in Hawaii the organic farm and the homeless microhouse efforts, et. al.  And some other stuff available online.

But, my focus is your Sea Nymph voyage, which  as a sailor for 45 years, I find curious concerning how such a well found boat went awry.

 

Maybe - you could pass that on to Angel Ordaz so he could get his everipedia  info correct - I hardly think the American Society of Landscape Architects would favor themselves as an agricultural organization -

you're aight - there is more to come - I wish I could talk to you outside of here - I might get some good knowledge and understand a few things i still don't understand

 - but I need to before I go out again

 

 

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8 hours ago, Jennifer said:

Gentlemen,

While I have seen some posts where you either copied something the Daily Mail published or you decided it is funny to market something for me - please understand that I feel it is completely appropriate for consenting adults to behave in a legal manner 'behind closed doors' or out on the water.  It is even legal to publish that type of material in a protected adult forum.  However, when art that meets the Miller test is published in an open forum that makes that material available to minor chidren, it is a felony under the purview of the FBI in the United States and under INTERPOL's  purview outside of the United States.  If this forum does not restrict access to minor children, I strongly suggest you remove it immediately. The person who made the art is not liable - the genius who publishes it where it is accessible to minors is the felon.  

When the Daily Mail acknowledged receipt of my cease and desist order and then refused to remove the material from minor access the FBI and Interpol were called in to assist.  Each reproduction meeting the Miller test is a separate crime. 

I know few of you may believe this - somewhere around 2011 or before, I began skippering a weekly "booze cruise" of Waikiki.  All the other captains and skippers knew we would be naked and doing crass activities.  If they had children onboard with their tourists, they steered clear.  If it was adult tourists, the cap would ask if the tourists or crew members wanted to swing by us under sail and take pictures.  I actually expected that to come out in the press instead of the Miller test photos.   We had been doing this for so long everyone off Waikiki knows about it but the event was always invitation only.  That is how I earned the nickname "crazy Jen' - not from being a key-your-car/rabbit-in-the-pot looney but from doing the stuff other people fantasize about. (I was truly 'living the life'.)  Being naked on the water is a normal behavior for many people and many sailors.  Nobody ever tried to kill any of us for it nor was anyone ever upset about it.  We had many 'repeat offenders' over the years.  I hope they are still doing the cruise without me now.  Being naked or seeing myself without clothes on is never going to bother me but putting that information in front of a minor child is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPATBLE!!!

I am sure the Dailymail are shitting themselves about the email you sent to the FBI to report them. Sorry forgot they have an entire department dealing with legal publishing issues every day but sure you know more than they do.

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There’s a lot of “art” floating around these forums. Don’t think anyone is going to clean them up.

I found everything I saw on Google and my kids could have found it faster!

i didn’t post any pics of the rotten big toenail from FB. Too inappropriate 

 

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13 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Indeed. Nothing unusual about this chap.

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Except the utter lack of body art on an individual under 40.

And I can’t tell if he has girly hands from that angle

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16 hours ago, Jennifer said:

Gentlemen,

While I have seen some posts where you either copied something the Daily Mail published or you decided it is funny to market something for me - please understand that I feel it is completely appropriate for consenting adults to behave in a legal manner 'behind closed doors' or out on the water.  It is even legal to publish that type of material in a protected adult forum.  However, when art that meets the Miller test is published in an open forum that makes that material available to minor chidren, it is a felony under the purview of the FBI in the United States and under INTERPOL's  purview outside of the United States.  If this forum does not restrict access to minor children, I strongly suggest you remove it immediately. The person who made the art is not liable - the genius who publishes it where it is accessible to minors is the felon.  

When the Daily Mail acknowledged receipt of my cease and desist order and then refused to remove the material from minor access the FBI and Interpol were called in to assist.  Each reproduction meeting the Miller test is a separate crime. 

I know few of you may believe this - somewhere around 2011 or before, I began skippering a weekly "booze cruise" of Waikiki.  All the other captains and skippers knew we would be naked and doing crass activities.  If they had children onboard with their tourists, they steered clear.  If it was adult tourists, the cap would ask if the tourists or crew members wanted to swing by us under sail and take pictures.  I actually expected that to come out in the press instead of the Miller test photos.   We had been doing this for so long everyone off Waikiki knows about it but the event was always invitation only.  That is how I earned the nickname "crazy Jen' - not from being a key-your-car/rabbit-in-the-pot looney but from doing the stuff other people fantasize about. (I was truly 'living the life'.)  Being naked on the water is a normal behavior for many people and many sailors.  Nobody ever tried to kill any of us for it nor was anyone ever upset about it.  We had many 'repeat offenders' over the years.  I hope they are still doing the cruise without me now.  Being naked or seeing myself without clothes on is never going to bother me but putting that information in front of a minor child is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPATBLE!!!

You were the one who posted the link to Bending Q-Tips.  Be sure to include yourself when you call the FBI.

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17 hours ago, Jennifer said:

thank you - what are the blue lines?  speed? what was max tow speed?

tow-4stops.png

jepp, blue is speed, yellow kurs, pink elevation (the wave high? at least only if the gps coverage was perfekt)

but until no one has prooft my calculations the unit is "haribo-speed", sorry
but you can see that the tow speed behind 22:48 is ~30% reduced against the first tow,
a motorboat can not move very long with very low speed, this is all over the world the problem if a smal boat has to be towed

but IMO 5-6 kn tow-speed will be ok for a boat with ~12m WL (Waterline-Length)?

what was your tow deal? a fishing boat, normal, can not tow for ~20days without  cost replacement,
even if the fisherboat was on his way to a tuna catch area north of midway,(was it?) it would need 7-10 days longer with this low speed

like axolotl, my interest is more the sea nymph voyage, before the tow...thats why I asked fore the noticias of 23.okt

haribo

 

 

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16 hours ago, Jennifer said:

  It is even legal to publish that type of material in a protected adult forum.  However, when art that meets the Miller test is published in an open forum that makes that material available to minor chidren, it is a felony under the purview of the FBI in the United States and under INTERPOL's  purview outside of the United States. 

Please stop playing lawyer Jen.  It doesn't work for you.

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17 hours ago, Jennifer said:

I know few of you may believe this - somewhere around 2011 or before, I began skippering a weekly "booze cruise" of Waikiki.  

Able to capt a nude cruise for guests yet drift around for 5 months? If they were paying passengers a capt license would be "legally" required... No?

 

17 hours ago, Jennifer said:

I used to teach LEED classes for the AIA but I have never taken the LEED test or been registered as a LEED professional. The first house I built for myself helped set the LEED residential standards - that category didn't exist at the time.

JFC... YCMTSU

 

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28 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Please stop playing lawyer Jen.  It doesn't work for you.

for the education of shithole or hellhole citizens not savvy with ammurrican sillyness ... what on earth is a Miller test ? is there a Mr. Miller who will look at J's labiae and tell us if it's art or not ?

Missus Pomme : while your labiae are still remarkably tight for your age (no kids huh ?), the jury is out if this is art or not, notwithstanding the arty (and literally farty) pose ;)

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Crazy Jen not only posted the Bending Q-Tips link here, but, well, answer me this:  If a woman were to perform live sex acts in public, only two short touristy blocks down the walking path from a Disney resort, on a boat that borders said path, would that be acceptable?  Just a random hypothetical from a curious guy.

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Shit what did I miss? I have been watching some short art films over on pornhub. 

 

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1 hour ago, Albatros said:

. what on earth is a Miller test ? 

 

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1 hour ago, Albatros said:

for the education of shithole or hellhole citizens not savvy with ammurrican sillyness ... what on earth is a Miller test ? is there a Mr. Miller who will look at J's labiae and tell us if it's art or not ?

Missus Pomme : while your labiae are still remarkably tight for your age (no kids huh ?), the jury is out if this is art or not, notwithstanding the arty (and literally farty) pose ;)

The Miller test is the name given to a US supreme court decision. There are three tests that must be met, for something to be ruled obscene or pornographic. Wikipedia has all the info. After re/reading the " Miller test " and looking at the pics as they have appeared here, then looking at another site that has nude girl pics, I decided the pics posted here do not meet all three tests. The best decider IMO, is the Al Goldstein test, of Screw magazine fame. That is to crab his man parts and look at said pic. I think dearly departed Al would call it soft.

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1 hour ago, Unkle Crusty said:

The Miller test is the name given to a US supreme court decision. There are three tests that must be met, for something to be ruled obscene or pornographic. Wikipedia has all the info. After re/reading the " Miller test " and looking at the pics as they have appeared here, then looking at another site that has nude girl pics, I decided the pics posted here do not meet all three tests. The best decider IMO, is the Al Goldstein test, of Screw magazine fame. That is to crab his man parts and look at said pic. I think dearly departed Al would call it soft.

Unkle Krusty

hmmm, reading the wiki info and looking at Madame Pomme's ramblings on the matter, she's a totally delusional nutcase, 'nuff said.

 

hey LB unless you mean to say that a Miller test is akin to the pingpong balls skit done by some mostly asian laydeez, from where I'm posting you'll have to come up with something more serious, like :

bush-ambree-verre_2.png?itok=ZMuBcvz7

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The test is the number of Millers you would need to go there. 

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2 hours ago, Whisper said:

 If a woman were to perform live sex acts in public, only two short touristy blocks down the walking path from a Disney resort, on a boat that borders said path, would that be acceptable? 

on public property or on her own property?

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1 hour ago, LB 15 said:

The test is the number of Millers you would need to go there. 

I thought you were talking bottle opener after I thought of the winter beer coozie 

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6 hours ago, haribo said:

tow-4stops.png

jepp, blue is speed, yellow kurs, pink elevation (the wave high? at least only if the gps coverage was perfekt)

but until no one has prooft my calculations the unit is "haribo-speed", sorry
but you can see that the tow speed behind 22:48 is ~30% reduced against the first tow,
a motorboat can not move very long with very low speed, this is all over the world the problem if a smal boat has to be towed

but IMO 5-6 kn tow-speed will be ok for a boat with ~12m WL (Waterline-Length)?

what was your tow deal? a fishing boat, normal, can not tow for ~20days without  cost replacement,
even if the fisherboat was on his way to a tuna catch area north of midway,(was it?) it would need 7-10 days longer with this low speed

like axolotl, my interest is more the sea nymph voyage, before the tow...thats why I asked fore the noticias of 23.okt

haribo

 

 

I’m gonna throw up if you don’t start typing ENGLISH. Nice effort so far though, Haribo...very informative 

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Mrs. Miller was great! Led me to this...

Now this is art!!!

Note the feminists front and center at 3:15. 

 

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8 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Please stop playing lawyer Jen.  It doesn't work for you.

Playing Sailor didn't end well either. She should stick to her other profit making activities. 

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4 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

on public property or on her own property?

Oh Mr. Lawyer you must know this:

  • Generally, in America, nudity is against the law in public places. Moreover, nudity is also generally illegal on a person’s own property if the nude person is visible to the public, such as through an open window or sunbathing nude in someone's yard. 

OTOH, Black's Beach is still raging in the northern CDPR jurisdiction.  Go figure.

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9 hours ago, Sail4beer said:

I’m gonna throw up if you don’t start typing ENGLISH. Nice effort so far though, Haribo...very informative 

Sail4beer, wir können gerne vier bier trinken aufs segeln, komm vorbei

who can help? what is the exact distance in sea miles between these two points,
the first four tow-hours

image.png.d8af74577353eff1733145626199a187.png

 

 

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7 hours ago, axolotl said:

Oh Mr. Lawyer you must know this:

  • Generally, in America, nudity is against the law in public places. Moreover, nudity is also generally illegal on a person’s own property if the nude person is visible to the public, such as through an open window or sunbathing nude in someone's yard. 

OTOH, Black's Beach is still raging in the northern CDPR jurisdiction.  Go figure.

Might be time to take it to ESPLERP Anarchy.

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2 hours ago, haribo said:

Sail4beer, wir können gerne vier bier trinken aufs segeln, komm vorbei

who can help? what is the exact distance in sea miles between these two points,
the first four tow-hours

image.png.d8af74577353eff1733145626199a187.png

 

 

I get 33 miles.

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"...she's a totally delusional nutcase,..." you needed >2300 posts to come to that conclusion? that was se departure-point of this thread!

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55 minutes ago, haribo said:

thank you, I get image.png.ef77c13a4dfb8b5be6cca2c8925f3dcd.png sea miles, who else offers?

I got 23 nm.

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7 hours ago, haribo said:

Sail4beer, wir können gerne vier bier trinken aufs segeln, komm vorbei

who can help? what is the exact distance in sea miles between these two points,
the first four tow-hours

image.png.d8af74577353eff1733145626199a187.png

 

 

I get 20nm using NOAA's official calculator,  for an average speed of 5kn.

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33 minutes ago, axolotl said:

I get 20nm using NOAA's official calculator,  for an average speed of 5kn.

thank you axolotl for the confirming,

20=19,999

than the first tow-speed was 6.5 kn, the 10h tow during the night 5.0kn and at the end he again pushed a little up, to ~5.8kn
over all the tow-distance was 69,5sm within 15h

the tow-deal remains jennifer´s private secret, at the moment

haribo

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4 hours ago, Snaggletooth said:

Shese a bizey pearson, withe lottes to do evreyday.

So many Q-tips, so little time...

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She’ll be back.

And we know she’s going Sailing againas soon as she can get some info from Ax.

It’s all becoming clear to me that she’s using us to build her on shore confidence before she heads back out to search for the Nymph and parachute on down...

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37 minutes ago, Albatros said:

still  roped up, customer not happy, left her hanging ?

So you are saying she is coming but not going?

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On 1/22/2018 at 9:05 PM, axolotl said:

Oh Mr. Lawyer you must know this:

  • Generally, in America, nudity is against the law in public places. Moreover, nudity is also generally illegal on a person’s own property if the nude person is visible to the public, such as through an open window or sunbathing nude in someone's yard. 

OTOH, Black's Beach is still raging in the northern CDPR jurisdiction.  Go figure.

You should see OB dog beach on a warm friday night

 

As far as I know Hawaii actually has some pretty open nudity laws thanks to some very public supreme court decisions in the 90s.  Sunbathing topless, for instance, isn't covered by the prohibition on lewd conduct.  I think genitalia flashing 'with intent' is a problem, which is what your hypothetical proposed, and it would be clearly illegal if someone was really offended and called the cops.

Personally, I believe in leaving people alone as long as they're not spreading their asses to a bunch of minors.  The people who are unable to avert their eyes from a naked woman in public are the same people that are unable to change the channel and would prefer instead to be outraged at something they chose to watch. 

Prudishness either breeds repression or is a reflection of the repressed 

cf. catholic church, boy scouts, etc.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Whisper said:

She found pics of clouds and she’s doubling down on the storm BS.  Check her fb blatherings.  Does anyone detect a cycle?

it appears she has finally achieved the level of attention that she believes she deserves. She wants to be famous and despite being for all the wrong reasons she sees this as her chance and will milk it for all its worth. After being so publicly humiliated (including all that baggage from her past emerging) a normal person would happily slink back into anonymity, not continue to seek attention by  trying to justify her bullshit. She is a strange person.

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19 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

it appears she has finally achieved the level of attention that she believes she deserves. She wants to be famous and despite being for all the wrong reasons she sees this as her chance and will milk it for all its worth. After being so publicly humiliated (including all that baggage from her past emerging) a normal person would happily slink back into anonymity, not continue to seek attention by  trying to justify her bullshit. She is a strange person.

She'd fit right in here if she just lost the prudish.

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7 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

You should see OB dog beach on a warm friday night

 

As far as I know Hawaii actually has some pretty open nudity laws thanks to some very public supreme court decisions in the 90s.  Sunbathing topless, for instance, isn't covered by the prohibition on lewd conduct.  I think genitalia flashing 'with intent' is a problem, which is what your hypothetical proposed, and it would be clearly illegal if someone was really offended and called the cops.

Personally, I believe in leaving people alone as long as they're not spreading their asses to a bunch of minors.  The people who are unable to avert their eyes from a naked woman in public are the same people that are unable to change the channel and would prefer instead to be outraged at something they chose to watch. 

Prudishness either breeds repression or is a reflection of the repressed 

cf. catholic church, boy scouts, etc.

 

 

 

 

As well as south of the pier along the cliffs... generally nobody gives a shit as you say... Having spent many years growing up and living in Greece I have many nudity stories... windsurfing, hanging out nude with hardcore outlaw German bikers with our girlfriends and nobody acted as if it was taboo although I thought no way any American Outlaw bikers would do the same...but the most funniest story of all is... One day when I was about 18 I contacted a job to dig a foundation trench manually for somebody up in hills overlooking the sea.. It was fairly remote without any houses or people around and I had been partying the night before and had on long jeans and long sleeve shirt and it was July.. It was so fukn hot and I was a bit hungover too.. With nobody around I stripped down and started digging and working nude... sometime during this a tourist bus got lost and drove down this guys driveway and I didnt see them until they were right in front of me and the  door opened and all these Asian tourist got out , looked at me in surprise and started taking pictures... I just stood there with a pick n shovel and said.."Welcome to Greece"

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