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Transat Jacques Vabre

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20 hours ago, LeoV said:

I am curious how this new Lombard/Shipman design will work.

Look at the underwater shape of the bow...

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Photos: © Christophe Breschi / Carac
source:http://www.voilesetvoiliers.com/course-regate/lombard-et-schipman-on-ne-peut-plus-gagner-avec-un-bateau-de-serie/

Heading towards the mini scow bow look. Is that as far as they can exploit the class 40 rule? 

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Which tris are going? AFAIK Gitana and Sodebo are in, Macif is not as Gabart is going for the solo RTW, banque pop didn't launch in time, Spindrift got excluded due to politics... 

Who else? Is Joyon racing? What about the old Sodebo (I think it is Actual now?) 

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9 hours ago, Rail Meat said:

Yep.  There are dimension rules in force to prevent a scow bow

In this interview with Lombard on the design of the 150, he seems to think a Pogo3 or Ofcet bow would fit within the rules, but avoided it for cosmetic and slamming reasons. 

http://no-frills-sailing.com/marc-lombard-on-the-brand-new-lift-40-racing-yacht/

Edit: I see there is an editors note in the V&V article LeoV shared indicating that those semi-scow bows are indeed outside the rules. 

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Actual going wrong way around the world. Prince de Bretagne with Bernard Stamm will be in the TJV17. I think it's an extended Orma60

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Curious to see if the new Verdier and Manuard (151 and 152) class 40 have similar bows.

I am personally calling the scow bows Raisonettes, in honour of the designer :)

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They start at exactly the same time ?

But the start of the Jacques Vabre is le Havre, really quite a way compared to Lisbon ...

I would say no chance at all

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8 hours ago, jonas a said:

Actual going wrong way around the world. Prince de Bretagne with Bernard Stamm will be in the TJV17. I think it's an extended Orma60

They kept the arms of an ORMA60 and pretty much all the rest is new. 

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On 10/29/2017 at 1:44 AM, svendson said:

Which tris are going? AFAIK Gitana and Sodebo are in, Macif is not as Gabart is going for the solo RTW, banque pop didn't launch in time, Spindrift got excluded due to politics... 

Who else? Is Joyon racing? What about the old Sodebo (I think it is Actual now?) 

No Joyon, either... just the trio of Gitana, Sodebo, & Prince de Bretagne.  Super light air would be the only shot for the super ORMA.  Heavy seas would possibly benefit Sodebo.  And reasonable wind and seas would likely see Gitana lap the field.  Really too bad Idec, Spindrift, Macif, & the new BP aren't racing.

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Nélias and Thomas comment on their Ultime competitors: "Gitana 17 will be a little more favoured"

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COMPETITORS IN THE EYE OF THE DUO

A new era with new boats

This Sunday, November 5, Thomas Coville and Jean-Luc Nélias will start on the 13th Transat Jacques Vabre between Le Havre and Salvador de Bahia. In front of them on the line, two other giant trimarans will start: Gitana 17 led by Sébastien Josse and Thomas Rouxel and Prince of Brittany led by Lionel Lemonchois and Bernard Stamm.

"We are going to have three boats quite opposite", "We are entering a new era with new boats".

The views of the crew of Sodebo Ultim '!

Thomas

"We are changing with our Ultimate trimaran category. Not everyone is there with different program and site reasons. 
We are going to have three rather different boats. With Sodebo Ultim ', we find ourselves in the same configuration as two years ago with Macif and François Gabart. This year Sébastien Josse arrives with his new boat. We are eager to confront each other even though we know that Gitana 17 will be a little more favored. Prince of Brittany can play the spoilsport ... Lionel will push his boat thoroughly. "

Jean-Luc

" I am cautious. I ask to see if it is possible to fly around the world. We are at a crossroads and it discusses a lot about this subject. It's very motivating. It's like the Vendée Globe where there were foil and foil-free boats. We wondered which one would win. In the meantime it's buzz and it's good. "

Thomas

"If the Groupama record between Le Havre and Salvador de Bahia will fall? These boats have more power, so it is necessarily beatable. When we do regattas, we hear about records (laughs). With Sodebo, we are coming out of a year of records to make a race. There will be lots of twists. It is the peculiarity of this Jacques Vabre. We are entering a new era with new boats. And since it's a mechanical sport, everything can change. "

Chrome/gtrans of https://www.sodebo.com/article/les-concurrents-dans-loeil-du-duo-sodebo-ultim/

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Imersys or Carac for win C40.

Hope Dick wins in Imoca, its his last race as skipper in Imoca. Macif 2d

Gitana for ultimate.

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Thanks so much Staysail, for all those great pictures, keep them coming. 

Can we have one of Sam on Initiatives please, with a little bit of Ti if you like. 

Thanks again !

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2 hours ago, LeoV said:

Strong winds expected Wednesday. 40 knots...

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Nice baptism for Gitana's first race.  I hope there is some good video footage taken and put out on the race site.

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It will be interesting to see how much Gitana with a crew of 2 can reel in Gabart, solo, given Gabart's 1-day lead (and an additional 265 mile head start from Ouessant).

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7 hours ago, Fiji Flaky said:

Thanks so much Staysail, for all those great pictures, keep them coming. 

Can we have one of Sam on Initiatives please, with a little bit of Ti if you like. 

Thanks again !

 

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Imoca, all Verdiers ? Without Hugo Boss almost one design LOL, till someone finds something new.

 

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36 minutes ago, GauchoGreg said:

How come no Hugo Boss / AT in this race, I wonder?

Good question, I wonder why they chose the Middle Sea race instead?

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 Vendee is a long time in the future. He did this kind of avoiding in the past too. He is experoenced enough to know if he needs a race.

And now Dickcan win :)

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TJV seems to be big on French TV this year. Lots of coverage tonight on several channels and hours of coverage promised for tomorrow, pre-start and actual start on several channels too.

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Transat Jacques-Vabre: A skipper in custody, suspected of sexual assault

magictr | November 4, 2017 | News | No Comments

A skipper who was to take the start of the Transat Jacques-Vabre has been placed in police custody Friday night on suspicion of sexual assault, it was learnt on Saturday with François Gosselin, attorney
of le Havre.

The events took place Friday in the early evening, ” according to witnesses, a woman was found crying in the hallway of a hotel claiming to have suffered a sexual assault “, said to AFP François Gosselin.

The custody was extended “because of the contradictions between the respondent and the victim”

The skipper was arrested Friday shortly after 20:30 and placed in police custody. It was extended on Saturday in the early evening, said the prosecutor of the Harbour, “because of the contradictions between the respondent and the victim.” A survey of fragrance is ongoing and the hearings are continuing.

The race organizers have refused to comment on the case at this stage of the investigation. The skippers of the Transat Jacques-Vabre trans-atlantic race in double, will set off on Sunday from le Havre to 13h35 to reach Salvador de Bahia, Brazil.

https://sherbrooktimes.com/transat-jacques-vabre-a-skipper-in-custody-suspected-of-sexual-assault/32894

 

Un skipper de la Transat Jacques Vabre arrêté pour agression sexuelle

Radio tendanceouest Le 04 novembre 2017 à 12:19 Par : Gilles Anthoine

Un skipper de la course à voile la Transat Jacques Vabre, dont le départ est donné dimanche 5 novembre 2017 au Havre (Seine-Maritime), a été arrêté pour agression sexuelle. Ce samedi 4 novembre 2017, il serait toujours entendu par la police.

L'information est confirmée par une source judiciaire. Un skipper devant prendre le départ de la Transat Jacques Vabre 2017 a été arrêté dans le cadre d'une enquête pour agression sexuelle.

Selon nos informations, il aurait été arrêté ce matin, samedi 4 novembre 2017. Il s'agirait d'un skipper étranger d'une trentaine d'années.

L'individu serait actuellement entendu au Havre (Seine-Maritime). Une enquête a en tout cas été ouverte. Le Parquet devrait officiellement communiquer en fin de journée sur cette affaire.

https://www.tendanceouest.com/actualite-250051-un-skipper-de-la-transat-jacques-vabre-arrete-pour-agression-sexuelle.html

Here it says : « According to our information, he was arrested this morning, Saturday, November 4, 2017. It would be a foreign skipper in his thirties. »

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From the pictures above, which foiling IMOCA is which.

Bureau Vallée II -> ex Banque Populaire VIII
Des Voiles et Vous -> ex Safran
Malizia II (yacht club de monaco) -> ex Gitana 16
Initiatives Coeur (FRA 109 not FRA101)-> exMaître CoQ, only conversion of a non foiler so far
St Michel - Virbac -> original name


Hugo Boss? Currently doing PR for Hugo Boss in the Mediterranean. Why? Money! New boats ain't cheap. This HB could be yours for 3.5€ - million that is. Delivery after the BWR. (all according to segelreporter who cites unnamed "french press")

Makes me wonder how the used boat value compares to the exSCA VO65 which is for sale for 1M€. 

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8 hours ago, staysail said:

TJV seems to be big on French TV this year. Lots of coverage tonight on several channels and hours of coverage promised for tomorrow, pre-start and actual start on several channels too.

Bien obligé Staysail, for Sam's video and pictures, and all other pictures. Great work!

Don't think it has been mentioned much that Sam will take over Initiatives-Cœur from Tanguy after the TJV, for the next Vendee Globe in 2020. Hope they do well together as a farewell for Ti, after the bad luck he had in the last Vendee.

https://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/news/19202/sam-davies-back-for-the-2020-vendee-globe

http://themagentaproject.org/offshore-sailing/tanguy-de-lamotte-hands-helm-samantha-davies/

 

Samantha Davies et Tanguy de Lamotte

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6 hours ago, Scipion said:

Here it says : « According to our information, he was arrested this morning, Saturday, November 4, 2017. It would be a foreign skipper in his thirties. »

Guess it could be an Italian who got a bit to passionate?  Anyway, hope it is a "misunderstanding".

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25 min ago

OMAN SAIL WITHDRAWS FROM TRANSAT JACQUES VABRE

As the fleet prepares for today’s start of the Transat Jacques Vabre in Le Havre, France, Oman Sail has announced that the team is withdrawing its Class 40 from the race.

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It's all over the French press, very sad if proven true.

And really bad luck for Sidney Gavignet.

 

Sidney Gavignet (à droite) et Fahad Al Hasni ont de belles ambitions pour la deuxième étape entre Horta et les Sables.

Sidney Gavignet (à droite) et Fahad Al Hasni ont de belles ambitions pour la deuxième étape entre Horta et les Sables. 

http://www.letelegramme.fr/voile/les-sables-horta-sidney-gavignet-decouverte-et-potentiel-14-07-2017-11596508.php

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Vertical leech battens on a code (0 or 5, whatever they are called) on a Class 40, new devolpment ?

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So contrary to VOR, they actually showed some offshore sailing during the start

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confirmed that it was fasad al hasani from oman sail for alleged sexual assauilt.  on front page now.

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1 hour ago, jonas a said:

So contrary to VOR, they actually showed some offshore sailing during the start

the VOR just finishes a bonus chopper ride with exactly that

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5 minutes ago, Herman said:

the VOR just finishes a bonus chopper ride with exactly that

 

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7 minutes ago, Herman said:

the VOR just finishes a bonus chopper ride with exactly that

Yeah just watching. Pretty awesome! Thanks for that

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13 hours ago, Chasm said:

From the pictures above, which foiling IMOCA is which.

Bureau Vallée II -> ex Banque Populaire VIII
Des Voiles et Vous -> ex Safran
Malizia II (yacht club de monaco) -> ex Gitana 16
Initiatives Coeur (FRA 109 not FRA101)-> exMaître CoQ, only conversion of a non foiler so far
St Michel - Virbac -> original name


Hugo Boss? Currently doing PR for Hugo Boss in the Mediterranean. Why? Money! New boats ain't cheap. This HB could be yours for 3.5€ - million that is. Delivery after the BWR. (all according to segelreporter who cites unnamed "french press")

Makes me wonder how the used boat value compares to the exSCA VO65 which is for sale for 1M€. 

IMOCA does a good job controlling the market and preserving boat value. Hugo boss may be for sale and still be very competitive for another VG. 

Not sure what VOR65s will be good for without a OD element. They're prob good as training/offshore school boats. Robust and fast but not comfortable enough for conversion to passenger sailors. 

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Tight racing in IMOCA class. The foilers seem to have passed SMA. Boris Hermann did apparently get a decent co-pilot. They will surely be fighting for victory with Lagravier/Peron 

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8 minutes ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

Is there going to be a replay of the start anywhere? The daily motion link is already dead when I hit it. 

I've been out with family, and wondering the same thing.... hopefully a good replay will eventually be put up on the race site.

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29 minutes ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

Is there going to be a replay of the start anywhere? The daily motion link is already dead when I hit it. 

 

 

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Well, they got past the starting point for the RTW races (Ouessant) about 9-1/2 hours after the start (local time, 23:00+-), and Gitana is now heading into the Bay of Biscay at 27kts in the middle of the night (Sodebo, right now, is just under 6 miles behind, but only going a little over 20 at the moment).  Macif is just about 1,000 miles ahead (cranking along at almost 29knts), after about 1-day & 14+ hours.  Obviously, their weather systems will be too different to really compare performances from here, but just thought I would point out their relative positions

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16 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

confirmed that it was fasad al hasani from oman sail for alleged sexual assauilt.  on front page now.

Ah he must be missing Oman by now. He is probably in his cell wondering why the woman is not been beaten in front of a baying mob for having the temerity to walk alone and associate with male company outside wedlock whilst he gets a slap on the wrists and is sent on his way. 

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Interesting split in the 50s with Chocolat staying on the lifted tack instead of chasing the new wind and associated huge stbd tack lift.  Seems like a bad bet this early in the game.

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From the Gitana site:


 

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It was a fairly sporty introduction! Last night the wind was very shifty. We had a little too much sail aloft and the boat was barrelling along at 40 knots at times. We had heavier seas than forecast and we were punching into 3 to 3.5-metre waves in places. It wasn't very easy to manage such conditions and we had to make sure we were on our game and very focused. However, Thomas and I managed to get into a rhythm, each of us eating our superb meals cooked up by the chef Julien Gatillon* and each taking turns to get a bit of sleep. It was very pleasant to benefit from clear skies with a virtually full moon, especially given our AIS issues, which have plagued us since the start, stated Sébastien Josse.

Indeed, yesterday, Cyril Dardashti Gitana's team manager alerted Race Director Sylvie Viant to the fact that the Maxi Edmond de Rothschild was experiencing difficulties with her AIS (Automatic Identification System). This system of automated message exchanges between vessels via VHF radio, which provides data about the identity, status, position and course of vessels in a particular navigation zone, was not replying. This is a significant handicap in sectors like the English Channel, which are renowned for their intense shipping. Fortunately, the two sailors were able to count on the support of the local coastguard service, particularly as they crossed the shipping lane off Ushant, which is one of the most heavily frequented maritime passages in the world.

Despite all this, those boats heading the Transat Jacques Vabre race, with Gitana 17 leading the way, managed to cover the 255 nautical miles between the start and the island of Ushant in just 9 hours, which equates to an average speed of 28.3 knots; figures which testify to the swiftness of the start of this transatlantic race. Indeed, the Maxi Edmond de Rothschild was polled on several occasions making 39 knots and the duo negotiated the Channel Islands at over 35 knots, despite punching into a tide running at nearly 5 knots.

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http://www.gitana-team.com/en/a-1268/on-the-front-line

New girl will be getting tested by boat-breaking conditions, rather than record-breaking conditions, over the next few hours.

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On 11/5/2017 at 11:50 AM, Miffy said:

IMOCA does a good job controlling the market and preserving boat value. Hugo boss may be for sale and still be very competitive for another VG. 

Not sure what VOR65s will be good for without a OD element. They're prob good as training/offshore school boats. Robust and fast but not comfortable enough for conversion to passenger sailors. 

They're pretty beastly creatures for mortals, but they will quickly filter out to the Hobart, Mackinac, Transpac crowd.  I guess price is set to be competitive with similar sized offshore racing boats.

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10 hours ago, bdu98252 said:

Ah he must be missing Oman by now. He is probably in his cell wondering why the woman is not been beaten in front of a baying mob for having the temerity to walk alone and associate with male company outside wedlock whilst he gets a slap on the wrists and is sent on his way. 

I'm going to refrain from speculating until I get more info, but definitely not where he would want to be...

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11 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

I'm going to refrain from speculating until I get more info, but definitely not where he would want to be...

I'm guessing he won't be that welcome back in Oman either if he's convicted!

just the type of publicity they don't want. 

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10 minutes ago, mad said:

I'm guessing he won't be that welcome back in Oman either if he's convicted!

just the type of publicity they don't want. 

If convicted it will be a while before he goes home anyway

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Gitana has now tacked and is really putting Sodebo back (lead up to 37+) with a significant increase in speed and VMG almost tripling while Sodebo has yet to tack.

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1 hour ago, MR.CLEAN said:

If convicted it will be a while before he goes home anyway

...and then claims asylum rather than go home? 

Edit,

apologies for the hijack. 

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Now that Gitana & Sodebo has made it through that ridge, they have an interesting Acores high to deal with..... looks like a long, narrow wall right now.  Be interesting to see how that works out.  But for now, it looks like they can rack up some significant miles.

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Lagravier/peron have lost their tracker or have they lost more...?  according to twitter they were sailing well just a couple of hours ago 

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Dick and Elies have put a substantial lead in Imoca, and SMA (non foiler) is holding very well, wonder why the other foilers didn't catch up, lack of training maybe.

Also quite interesting how the Imoca and Multi 50 fleets are mixed up right now.

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The Multi 50 got ahead at the beginning, but the Imoca have catch up when they got better wind angles. In most transats they seem to perform at a similar level.

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1 hour ago, semelis said:

The Multi 50 got ahead at the beginning, but the Imoca have catch up when they got better wind angles. In most transats they seem to perform at a similar level.

The Multi 50's are faster in more moderate conditions, but they cannot be pushed as hard in big waves as the IMOCA's, which is what I think we're seeing now.  I'd expect them to leg out quite a lot by Brazil.  Honestly, I'm just glad to see them all holding up to this point.

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3 hours ago, r.finn said:

The Multi 50's are faster in more moderate conditions, but they cannot be pushed as hard in big waves as the IMOCA's, which is what I think we're seeing now.  I'd expect them to leg out quite a lot by Brazil.  Honestly, I'm just glad to see them all holding up to this point.

Exactly, last thing needed is for the multihulls to be obliterated the way they were a few years ago with the ORMA fleet. 

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A little compression between Gitana & Sodebo as they approach the Azores, Gitana jibing, with Sodebo closing about 20 miles in the last 2 hours (and holding a bit of a speed advantage as well as significantly better VMG.  Looks like the Azores high is shrinking quite a lot, though, as they near it (will be interesting to see how they go through).

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