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VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

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Short lay over in Lisbon so why not.

The basics:

This one is a 7,000 nm run south, starting from Lisbon on 5 November, and going from the coast of Portugal to Cape Town at the southern tip of the mighty African continent. It’s a classic north to south Atlantic run, passing through multiple Climate Zones.

Err... what’s a climate zone?

The earth’s oceanic climate features distinct bands, lying horizontally and looping the globe, running out from the Equator to the Poles in a mirror image. When they race from north to south, the fleet is constantly crossing from one band of climate to another – the trick is finding the right entry and exit points for each transition, a moment when conditions can radically change and gains and losses can be spectacular.

What are the challenges? 

Subtropical High Pressure Zone (Horse Latitudes): Let’s not be so negative, a challenge is also an opportunity, and there are many opportunities to make gains on this leg. The first is a little thing called the Azores High – a Sub-Tropical High Pressure Zone named after the island chain. 

This is the first climate zone the fleet will encounter, sitting around 30-38 degrees, these are huge areas of stable, semi-static high pressure. Also called the Horse Latitudes, so named because the light winds associated with these areas of high pressure slowed up the old sailing ships so much that they would run out of water and be forced to throw the dying horses overboard. Or so they say.

Trade Winds: The Azores High also determines the position of the second oceanic climate zone, the Trade Winds. These are moderate to strong winds that blow consistently towards the equator from the north-east in the northern hemisphere, and the south-east in the southern hemisphere. So there are two belts of trade winds that girdle the globe, each blowing from a Sub-Tropical High Pressure Zone towards the equator.

Depending on the position of the Azores High, the fleet could pick up the Trade Winds off the start in Lisbon and ride them all the way south – fast, fun sailing in glorious conditions. But if the high pressure is sitting over Lisbon, the fleet will find themselves struggling for speed in the light winds. In this case the race will be on to reach the Trade Winds first – slow, stressful and no fun at all, unless you’re winning.

Island Chains: The Canary Islands and the Cape Verde Islands both lie in the way as they head south – these are both volcanic, high pieces of land, and they can impact the strength and direction of the wind for hundreds of miles. And that means lots of overtaking opportunities.

The Doldrums (ITCZ): South of the trade winds lie the Doldrums, or intertropical convergence zone (ITCZ), a region of low pressure that envelopes the earth’s oceans roughly at the equator. It occurs because warm, moist air rises (relative to cold air), and there’s plenty of that in the tropics. The Doldrums are famous for thunderstorms, light winds, rain and sudden unexpected gusts – all-in-all  a  nail-bitingly high level of unpredictability.

Incidentally, for the weather nerds, it’s the cooler air from the north and south of the Doldrums that is sucked in to replace this rising air, and this helps form the north-easterly Trade Winds of the northern hemisphere, and the south-easterly Trade Winds of the southern hemisphere.

A good Doldrums crossing can win this leg, and a bad one can lose it for you. So this will be a tense time. The key is picking the thinnest point to cross and usually that’s more to the west, so the boats will head that way until they pick their spot, and then turn south to go for it. Legend has it – and the legends run deep on this one, back to the days of clipper ships – that the sweet spot is around 27-28W, but anything between 25W and 30W can work. 

St Helena High: The thing about the climate zones is that they are mirrored north to south about the Equator. So the Azores High has a mirror sister sitting in the South Atlantic, sometimes called the St Helena High for the island. High Pressure means light wind and so it blocks the direct route to Cape Town.

The teams will probably go to the west of the centre of the high, and try to work their way down this side. It’s almost always quicker to head south, around the centre of the high, to get into the final climate zone, which we’ll call the Westerly Storm Track.

The Southern Ocean and the Westerly Storm Track: In the Westerly Storm Track, storms and low pressure systems swirl west-to-east around the globe. They circulate the Arctic in the north and the Antarctic in the south, always moving west to east. The strategy is always to get clear of the Sub-Tropical High Pressure, and into the Storm Track, find a low pressure system moving east and ride with it. It will accelerate a boat east across the South Atlantic, often taking them into the Southern Ocean, and sometimes take them right into Table Bay. First to become a rider of the storm will usually win it.

Lots of opportunities, must have meant some big winners?

Oh yes, in 1997-98 race- newbie Paul Cayard and his navigator Mark Rudiger boldly split from the fleet to lead EF Language south from Fernando de Noronha. The move got them into the Westerly Storm Track first, they picked up a ride and it gave them a lead that they never relinquished, going on to win the race. Sweet.

 

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 was going to say thanks for starting this thread . . .  

FWIW, Scoring info [bold mine]

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23. SCORING

23.1 A modified RRS Appendix A shall apply to Legs and In-Port Races: They will be scored on a high points basis: The winner shall score 7 points, 2nd shall score 6 points, 3rd shall score 5 points, 4th shall score 4 points, 5th shall score 3 points, 6th shall score 2 points and 7th shall score 1 point. Boats that do not start or do not finish a Leg or In Port Race will score zero points. These points shall be doubled for the Legs that start in Cape Town, Auckland and Newport. Boats that complete Leg 5: Hong Kong/Guangzhou/Hong Kong shall score 1 point each. The Guangzhou In-Port race will be scored on the same basis as the other In-Port Races.

23.2  One bonus point shall be awarded to the winner of each Leg (this is not doubled for the Legs that start in Cape Town, Auckland and Newport), and to the first boat to pass the longitude of Cape Horn (67 16 20W) and to the boat with the lowest overall elapsed time for the Race (not including Leg 5). Boats that do not finish or do not start a Leg will be awarded an elapsed time for that Leg equal to the time of the last boat to finish that Leg plus 24 hours.

23.3  Eleven Legs are scheduled; each Boat’s score shall be her total for all Legs. The boat with the highest series score wins and others shall be ranked accordingly. Ties on overall points, will throughout the race be broken in favour of the boat with the highest overall position in the In-Port Series.

23.4  In some individual venues there may be two In-Port races, the scores of which shall be combined and will only count as one race in the In-Port series: (The Round Hong Kong Island Race will count as the second leg of the Hong Kong In-Port race). Ties will be broken in favour of the boat with the best score in the final race in the venue.

23.5  If an In-Port Race is sailed in flights the scores shall be combined and will only count as one race in the In Port series.

23.6  Up to eleven In-Port Races are scheduled and each Boats score shall be her total for all In-Port races. The boat with the highest series score wins and others shall be ranked accordingly. Ties will be broken in favour of the boat with the best score in the final In-Port Race.

23.7  When an In-Port Race cannot be completed on its scheduled day the RC will use the in-port section of the leg start to determine that ports In-Port Race placing’s. The Boat’s placing when she passes through the final gate of that course will be used to calculate her In-Port Race points. When there is no in-port section then there will be no In-Port Race points awarded for that port.

Notice of Race for the Volvo Ocean Race 2017-18, Amendment 8, 27th October 2017 lazy link http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/noticeboard.html

  I guess this is not a double point leg because  . . . Alicante--CapeTown leg is already split in two by the Lisbon stopover. 

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3 minutes ago, stief said:

was going to say thanks for starting this thread . . .  

Thanks Steif.  It's probably Couch trolling me and Downvoting me from under his bed sheets.  

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Left has always been the favored route but a big split like that would be nice to follow.  Looking forward to the SO approach to Cape Town.  

Haven’t done the math but seems double point scoring could either shake things up (hopefully) or secure a win for a strong team.  If one team happened to win all the double point legs for example and placed in the others.

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15 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

.so the Teams can't dive too much south.

Can’t imagine RC would make a SO option so disadvantageous with an ice limit but yes, continuing the splits and risky moves of the first Leg would be fun to watch.

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7000nm miles with some tricky strategic decisions and diverse conditions not worthy of double points? WTF

I'll be in Cape Town kitesurfing from December 2 to mid-January so will be able to watch them arrive, as well as watch the in-port and start of leg3, should be fun. I might even get out there on a kite for the leg3 start, so if you see some idiot kiter getting mixed up with the boats, it might be me!

The Volvo70s in-port race in Cape Town was spectacular back in the day, viewed from the 10th floor of a beachfront block of flats. I also got to the Miami stopover for the "in-port" race there a few years ago, but it was so far off shore it was hard to figure out what was going on, even from the top of a beachfront hotel.

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17 minutes ago, TheDragon said:

7000nm miles with some tricky strategic decisions and diverse conditions not worthy of double points? WTF

I'll be in Cape Town kitesurfing from December 2 to mid-January so will be able to watch them arrive, as well as watch the in-port and start of leg3, should be fun. I might even get out there on a kite for the leg3 start, so if you see some idiot kiter getting mixed up with the boats, it might be me!

The Volvo70s in-port race in Cape Town was spectacular back in the day, viewed from the 10th floor of a beachfront block of flats. I also got to the Miami stopover for the "in-port" race there a few years ago, but it was so far off shore it was hard to figure out what was going on, even from the top of a beachfront hotel.

Lucky you. 

FWIW, RaceExperts is already looking at the weather. Time to ask for a beta tracker that can display Remora projections and all the Windy options of cloud, current, and different weather models?

 

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Just now, Miffy said:

Brunel confirmed rudder and hull damage. But minor enough to be sorted by Wednesday. 

Linky?

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Just now, Chasm said:

This time we have Bugio Island to port. Otherwise its stay out of 2 TSS zones and the  Antarctic ice zone.

Thanks Chasm. It'll be fun to run routing for this leg

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@Fiji. Could be. Couldn't find a source, but didn't hunt too hard. Shrug.

Speaking of sources, Gonzalo did much work in past editions figuring out routes based on potential stopovers. Good to see a bit more info on the method.

 Thanks Gonzalo:

 

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1 hour ago, stief said:

@Fiji. Could be. Couldn't find a source, but didn't hunt too hard. Shrug.

Speaking of sources, Gonzalo did much work in past editions figuring out routes based on potential stopovers. Good to see a bit more info on the method.

 Thanks Gonzalo:

 

Speaking of historical weather data. One of the hidden gems of the routing program I use a lot, OpenCPN, is the climate plugin which you can use to route beyond the various GRIB's time horizon (mostly 10-14 days). In long legs the "average climate" can be more valid than just extrapolating the last GRIB values for another 1 or 2 weeks imho.

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3 hours ago, stief said:

 

Lucky you. 

FWIW, RaceExperts is already looking at the weather. Time to ask for a beta tracker that can display Remora projections and all the Windy options of cloud, current, and different weather models?

 

Ask Stief, and thou shall be answered ;) 

A very preliminary routing to Cape Town shows an arrival on Nov. 22nd, 2 days before the Race Village opens :rolleyes:. That very quick projected leg is explained bij the wind field currently forecasted from the start in Lisbon up to Cape Verde. That is why the Race Experts tweet about a "fast start". I call it a fucking escalator going down like hell towards the ITCZ. If this forecast holds up, RC might have to add an extra waypoint somewhere. Unless the STHH is forecasted to slow the boats down for 2 extra days, which will be more certain after the start of the leg. Wind speeds up to 25 kts in the current GRIB. Boats speeds starting at 24 kts slowly dropping to 16 kts at Nov. 9th at Cape Verde. What a ride that would be!

Input:

  1. OpenCPN
  2. GFS 10 days ahead and after that (green isochrones)
  3. Climate plugin from Nov 9th 1300 UTC to the finish (orange isochrones)
  4. 3 hour timesteps
  5. Polars based on the VOR 14-15 actual wind data (thank you @Volodia for your input too) plus extra tweaking and extrapolation by me.
  6. AEZ waypoints from the last Vendée Globe - to be updated later 

Preliminary routing leg 2 @ 30-10-17.png

Preliminary routing leg 2 @ 30-10-17 no clutter.png

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Nice work once again Herman (and thanks for the info about CPN). If I'm reading this right, less 'west is best' this time. 

Guess we'll hear shortly or at the skipper's presser what the teams think about extending the course to meet a target arrival date. Yuck.

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Herman, that doesn't look as west as last time.  Weren't they pushed close to the coast of Uruguay?  But as you said, preliminary.

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25 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Herman, that doesn't look as west as last time.  Weren't they pushed close to the coast of Uruguay?  But as you said, preliminary.

In 2014-15, the fleet was first pushed several times against the west African coast, in order to pick up coastal breezes from the land during the day time. Later the fleet went towards the coast of Brazil to get through the ITCZ. And indeed, around Uruguay went south east and later due east. The current preliminary routing is a lot shorter. That, and much wind from behind up to Cabo Verde combined, can explain why the fleet is projected to be there so quick. If the forecast and climate holds op.

http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/review/dashboard/leg1.html

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3 hours ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Herman,

The VOR has a different Race Director this time. It's Phil Lawrence and not Jack Lloyd. Also Lloyd scheduled a Waypoint at Fernando de Noronha. This time we don't have that. VOR says Leg 2 is 7000 nm. Given your routing though it looks like far less than that.

Thanks, I forgot that the island was a waypoint in leg 1 in 14/15.

Did another preliminary routing, outcome more or less the same but finish pushed back to the morning of the 23rd as the bottom part of the escalator has finished. But number of miles is even less than before. Currently, we are at appr. 6500/7000 nm = 93%. The projected 23% upwind sailing also helps shortening the route - only if the forecast holds up plus the climate proxy. 

Black is the new routing, pink the old one from yesterday. African coast seems to be coming on the menu again.

routing leg 2 31-10-17.png

routing leg 2 31-10-17 no clutter.png

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Herman, At this point Ice Limits seem unnecessary (or is that just a distortion of your map). I liked the Southern Ocean drag race into Cape Town of the last edition but I guess there will be plenty of that to come.

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Meanwhile, pitstop for the Brunel boat (in Dutch). Youtube has captions too in various languages, providing hilarious inaccurate subtitles sometimes.

 

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Peter Tans, 3x Whitbread veteran, in an interview on Race Control (in Dutch). He was also in the Race Experts vid commenting on the DFRT versus AkzoNobel duel for 3rd position, noting that DFRT had more heel and was more close hauled. Again youtube captions are possible, but sometimes hopelessly wrong. Don't have the time for a full translation, but biggest highlights:

- RC is primary for safety. The boats have a seperate phone number provided by RC they can call for incidents.

- Race data (positions, tensions on the rigs, heel angle etc) gets in every 10 seconds.

- RC won't call the boat if they see them going towards an atol.

- RC provides a twitter account Volvo Race experts.

- When Peter went sailing on his first Whitbread, they used the super high tech telex to send messages to shore.

- First time Peter works for VOR.

 

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Latest preliminary routing to CT, see the green line. The routing moved east again compared to the routing yesterday (black) and the day before that (magenta), as the forecast towards the ITCZ gets into the time horizon of the GFS GRIB. ETA still in the morning of the 23rd. A day too soon for the Race Village.

Adding Ilha de Fernando de Noronha as an extra waypoint is +/- 7.076 nm, an extra (6.488 -/- 3.120 -/-  3.956=) 588 miles. And push the ETA towards the evening of the 23rd, calculation mostly based on the proxy climate plugin. See the yellow line. That's how VOR could come up with the 7.000 nm leg 2 I presume, just add water, via Noronha. We will see as the start comes nearer what happens to the forecast and the possible extra water.

Preliminary routing leg 2 @ 01-11-17 Lisbon direct to Cape Town.png

Preliminary routing leg 2 @ 01-11-17 Lisbon to Ilha Fernando de Noronha.png

Preliminary routing leg 2 @ 01-11-17 Noronha to Cape Town.png

Preliminary routing leg 2 @ 01-11-17 no clutter.png

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2 hours ago, Manfred said:

"Instead, they can go straight to Cape Town, which in theory opens up the potential routes to the finish significantly and could see some ‘more out of the box’ thinking with a more easterly route a possibility." LG

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Just paste the link in Google's Chrome, and set translate to automatic. Works well enough to get the gist.

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Charles Caudrelier, noted that this first step was "to tear hair for browsers" who prepare the choice of roads, and that his team should "work on making strategic decisions. Bidegorry has a strong opinion on the subject: "  we spend too much time looking at other boats. With the AIS (automatic identification system), the position, course and speed of the other boats, from which the settings can be deducted , are continuously displayed every 10 seconds, 24 hours a day . I would like us to be more focused on our strategy,especially at the beginning of the race, we do not decide so much compared to others but that we take our choices. At least, if that fails, we know who is responsible. AIS at some point is a trap. "

There's more of course, but good to see the AIS leash strategy getting refined.

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They also say that they caught a fishing net the first day and hit a big fish (tuna or shark), they had to stop the boat to clear the fishing net. They took the boat out of the water in Lisbon, the keel was deformed, but they have repaired it.

So as it was a no haul out stop , they got a special permission for that ?

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56 minutes ago, yl75 said:

They also say that they caught a fishing net the first day and hit a big fish (tuna or shark), they had to stop the boat to clear the fishing net. They took the boat out of the water in Lisbon, the keel was deformed, but they have repaired it.

So as it was a no haul out stop , they got a special permission for that ?

Yeah, wondering the same. The Boatyard was pretty easy to follow last time, but their FB page doesn't have much just now, and the VOR Noticeboard not the place for breaking news. 

I've been watching for info on what the problem was with more than a couple of winches, the water ballast hose failure, whether others had desalinator supply issues like VS11, and other stuff the OBRs didn't report (are the OBRs not allowed to report all the backdowns DFRT and BRUN later reported???). IIRC, the boats are required to submit a report to the Boatyard very soon after docking. The Boatyard seemed to be the place that offered something for 'development news' for equipment at least now that OD lessened yacht design development.

Too, thought the OBR's were going to be allowed to be more independent of their ride, and the Boatyard at least as transparent as last time. Still early.

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Looks like the boatyard instagram account has been purged. 
I did find a pic of DF in the air, going back into the water 2 days ago. Given all the secrecy that DF shore crew may want to put the accounts on private. ;) 
 
Brunel did not haul out, they removed the rudders and refinishedthe edges. Via their YT channel.

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Thanks Chasm. Saw the repainting tweet; didn't check YT.

Did you happen to find at what point the OBRs switch responsibilities from one team list to another? (didn't notice that addressed in any race docs I could find).

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No idea how OBR switching works. I guess we'll find out once the next leg starts.
What they did change for this edition is the workload. The OBR is not a maid and may not do more cleaning and cooking than any other crew - and that only after completing their task list as set by the shore side media manager.

 

Here is the Brunel repair video:

 

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Chasm is that new? Last edition, OBRs weren't allowed to help with stacking or any other boat operation. They could cook and clean but only as part of a rotation. Most they can do to help is "hold this flashlight" while I repair something and video it if you want. 

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There's a 12 hr penalty when a boat suspends racing during a leg.

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26. SUSPENDING RACING

26.1 On a Leg a Boat may suspend Racing under the following conditions: (a) When a Boat suspends Racing after the preparatory signal she:

(i) Shall report to race control as soon as possible the circumstances and her position where she suspended Racing

(ii) May use a propulsion engine, haul out or make fast until she resumes Racing. This alters RRS 45

(iii)May, before resuming Racing, remove garbage, use any equipment or receive help to effect repairs, but shall not take on food or other provisions without the prior permission of the RC. This alters RRS 41 and 47.1

(iv)Shall, before resuming Racing, return to the position where she suspended Racing and inform race control that she has resumed Racing.

(b)  A Boat that suspends Racing during the first 12 hours of the Leg shall not resume Racing for a minimum of two hours.

(c)  A Boat that suspends Racing after the first 12 hours of the Leg shall not resume Racing for a minimum of 12 hours.

(d)  On any other Leg a Boat may not suspend Racing within a 100 nautical mile radius of a Leg finish line.

(e)  A Boat may not suspend Racing on the last Leg.

m46169_si-leg-general-inc-amdt-07-20171031.pdf

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2 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Thanks stief. Brunel scared me to death with their Video and when I heard the Word "Penalty" I was totally scared DF might have to take one.

Alingy, take a deep breath.

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Help me out here with dates.  All leaving in and around the same weather window from around the same region?

  1. VOR Leg 2
  2. Francois Gabart Jules Verne Solo record attempt
  3. Transat Jaques Vabre with Josse and Gitana (foiling) and Coville on Sodebo

Is this right?  

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44 minutes ago, Miffy said:

Chasm is that new? Last edition, OBRs weren't allowed to help with stacking or any other boat operation. They could cook and clean but only as part of a rotation. Most they can do to help is "hold this flashlight" while I repair something and video it if you want. 

It's new, or at least much more specific. Last round the OBRs did the cooking on all but one boat. On ADOR they used single serve packets that for the most part got prepared by the person eating it. Their OBR just had to keep the kettel on.

This round NOR amendment 6 says: (bold by me)
 

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10.7 When an OBR has completed their media tasks they can assist in limited non-performance tasks onboard. A list of the OBR’s permitted and prohibited tasks can be found in SI attachment 5. The OBR shall not be required to carry out any more cooking and cleaning duties than other individual Crew Members. 

SI attachment 5 reinforces that with:

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37.5 The permitted duties are contained in SI 33.5. These permitted duties shall only be carried out as part of a full crew rotational roster, and shall only be carried out after all OA media requests have been completed.  

The list of permitted and forbidden OBR duties has not changed. its in 37.5 and 37.7 though.

Last edition that rule was basically without the part in bold above:

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NOR 6.2.4  The permitted duties are contained in NOR 6.2.4 and shall only be carried out after all OA media requests have been completed. The permitted duties of the OBR are;  
[...]

 

I'd say the VOR really wants media off the boats this round.

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37.3 Any reasonable request not complied with by the OBR may be referred to the IJ and may result in a hearing.  

This rule cuts both ways, but these do not:

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10.3 An OBR is not a Crew Member. Their role is to communicate the story of the race through the story of the Team and their Title Sponsor. The PIC (Sea) shall facilitate the OBR having full access to the Boat and crew. 

10.4 The Team or PIC(sea) shall not block or censor images or reports generated by the OBR, but may request to the OA that specific legitimate performance enhancing techniques employed onboard are not disclosed. 

For extra fun:

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10.6 Improper actions or omissions by the OBR will not be considered as grounds for redress. This changes RRS 62.1(a). 

 

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29 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Alingy, take a deep breath.

And don't believe all the bullshit.......

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34 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Thanks stief. Brunel scared me to death with their Video and when I heard the Word "Penalty" I was totally scared DF might have to take one.

DF might get penalty. 
They had to apply for an exemption to haul out, RC decided in favor on that. Now the RC may refer the matter to the IJ which may hold a hearing and result in a point's penalty.

From the NOR:

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20.4 Should a Team request work that would contravene either NOR 20.1 or 20.2, 20.5 (a) or (b) they shall, prior to commencing the work: Apply to the RC for permission to carry out the work, the application shall contain information from the VCA, BY or supplier of the item that needs the work outlining the problem and the suggested method of repair or replacement. The RC may refer the matter to the IJ, which may result in a hearing and a point’s penalty.  

 

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4 minutes ago, southerncross said:

There was a practice race?  Who crewed?

You'd be none the wiser if you looked at the VOR website home or news page. 

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12 minutes ago, southerncross said:

There was a practice race?  Who crewed?

Info is not easy to find, but here's the stopover schedule from https://d10n410n1bycop.cloudfront.net/files/m105339_lisbon-stopover-practical-media-guide-eng-october-2017-v1.pdf Haven't found crew lists

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Race Schedule LISBON

1.11.17 Practice Race / start time 1430

2.11.17 Pro-Am Races 1 & 2 / start time 1430 & 1530

3.11.17 Skippers Press Conference / start time 1000

3.11.17 In-Port Race / start time 1400

5.11.17 Leg 2 start Lisbon to Cape Town / start time 1400

 

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1 minute ago, rogerfal said:

You'd be none the wiser if you looked at the VOR website home or news page. 

Bugger off Roger (smily face).  I'm enjoying a beer and some dinner.  Anyway, I see my main man Steif has got it.

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  1. 6.1  No later than 48 hours before the intended start time of a Pro-Am Race, In-Port Race or Leg each Participant shall supply the Organising Authority (OA) with:

(a)  The list of names and positions of the Crew Members, the Onboard Reporter (OBR) and the Guests who are to sail in that Pro-Am, In-Port, Race or Leg shall be entered or changed on the crew and guest lists for the applicable race Crew & Guest Lists 2017-18.

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1 hour ago, stief said:

Info is not easy to find, but here's the stopover schedule from https://d10n410n1bycop.cloudfront.net/files/m105339_lisbon-stopover-practical-media-guide-eng-october-2017-v1.pdf Haven't found crew lists

 

 

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Race Schedule LISBON

1.11.17 Practice Race / start time 1430

2.11.17 Pro-Am Races 1 & 2 / start time 1430 & 1530

3.11.17 Skippers Press Conference / start time 1000

3.11.17 In-Port Race / start time 1400

5.11.17 Leg 2 start Lisbon to Cape Town / start time 1400

For reference local Lisbon time is the same as UTC. 

It is going to be interesting to see whether the removal of FdN will have a significant effect  on the routings that are chosen. 

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2 hours ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Thanks stief. Brunel scared me to death with their Video and when I heard the Word "Penalty" I was totally scared DF might have to take one.

Idiot. 

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2 hours ago, Chasm said:

It's new, or at least much more specific. Last round the OBRs did the cooking on all but one boat. On ADOR they used single serve packets that for the most part got prepared by the person eating it. Their OBR just had to keep the kettel on.

This round NOR amendment 6 says: (bold by me)
 

SI attachment 5 reinforces that with:

The list of permitted and forbidden OBR duties has not changed. its in 37.5 and 37.7 though.

Last edition that rule was basically without the part in bold above:

 

I'd say the VOR really wants media off the boats this round.

This rule cuts both ways, but these do not:

For extra fun:

 

This is all so cool.

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4 hours ago, stief said:

Thanks Chasm. Saw the repainting tweet; didn't check YT.

Did you happen to find at what point the OBRs switch responsibilities from one team list to another? (didn't notice that addressed in any race docs I could find).

The last time the rotation happened before the In Port race. At least, Jen Edney was on MAPFRE for the Prologue, then was on TTToP for both the In Port and for Leg 1.

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6 hours ago, DtM said:

So crew lists will be out on the 3rd.  Patience.

 

6 hours ago, stief said:

With the exception of stief no one is reading the SI's as amended on 27 October with the inclusion of new Paintwagon Crew List clause 6.1 c), which says;

(c) The RC can accept late submissions under 6.1(a) or 6.1(b) if there is a good reason to do so.

So 48 hours is not cast in bronze. I expect Teapot may take advantage of that late crew list submission provision and keep everyone guessing, not to mention a bit of mind fucking the opposition.

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9 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

 

With the exception of stief no one is reading the SI's as amended on 27 October with the inclusion of new Paintwagon Crew List clause 6.1 c), which says;

(c) The RC can accept late submissions under 6.1(a) or 6.1(b) if there is a good reason to do so.

So 48 hours is not cast in bronze. I expect Teapot may take advantage of that late crew list submission provision and keep everyone guessing, not to mention a bit of mind fucking the opposition.

AN will have  a stronger team on leg 2 and they know who will be onboard, so you are probably  right...

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7 minutes ago, ModernViking said:

Why no Fernando rounding this time? :(

Mainly time. There has been more time spent dickering around Lisbon and Alicante this time around with the Prologues, and Leg 1 - by this time last edition, the teams have already turned left to head for Cape Town in the south Atlantic. There's an ultimate schedule/time pressure to get the boats out of Auckland by mid-March because any later and Cape Horn becomes frankly too dangerous.

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1 hour ago, ModernViking said:

Why no Fernando rounding this time? :(

 

1 hour ago, Alinghi4ever said:

You should ask that the new Race Director Phil Lawrence. Tbh, I don't know why.

Ask Dr Phil?? ...fuck Fill any question you  may have can be answered on SA.

Hey Fernando's absence as a mark effectively makes little macro difference to actual go quick routing to Cape Town as they tend to end up around that neighbourhood anyway. 

Its absence however opens up the door for navigators to break free and back their own judgement and then be rewarded or punished. The Pussywheelers in doing this need to be applauded as it goes someway to getting rid of the follow the leader boringthon tag this race has been tagged with since the last edition at least. Should have happened long before this. 

Just so you remember this piece of erudite advice I will leave you with a song that made me want to puke over 30 years ago and now brings euthanasia to mind.

 

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7 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

They can't go down straight there because of the Doldrums nightmarish

Who said they go straight. I'm starting to think Mad is right and you are a blithering know nothing idiot Aliguist.

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6 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

They can't go down straight there because of the Doldrums nightmarish

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He didn't say go straight thru Africa land mass. Or into no wind. He said navigators get to explore the quickest route. Which may or may not involve being that close to Brasil. 

 

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44 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

He suggested a closer route = more African Direction.

Copy and paste where I said that and you have a plane ticket to Lisbon. Fuckin turnip.

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1 hour ago, stief said:

 

Hi stief sorry for not acknowledging your post. Have been down the hallway lamenting about keeping to our principals of  maintaining source integrity and embargoing scoops as requested by the source and calling them fuckers. Unfortunately the girls were played by this prick and that Oracle suckhole aced us, even though we went to print with anouncemrnt pending first. I'm now starting to think he is stalking us saw the announcement pending post then that made him pull the trigger.

Now to collect my thoughts.

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1 hour ago, Alinghi4ever said:

He suggested a closer route = more African Direction.

The Atlantic is only about 1400nm at the narrowest between the African and South America continent. Removing the island mark hardly means a direct coastal route. Just potential to gybe earlier. Learn to read. 

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Jeesus I just realized I'm talking to the guy who thought SCA lost because they had the slowest hull.

Lemme change some settings.

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4 hours ago, k-f-u said:

Dongy haul out. I think they're begging for a penalty with the skateboard under the bulb. Obviously not legal.

Don't be silly.  The board's there to make it easier to the move the boat around the yard.

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Who said they go straight. I'm starting to think Mad is right and you are a blithering know nothing idiot Aliguist.

Starting to?

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54 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

It always has been and will be for a long time to come that you have to sail over towards the Brazilian Cost, go south and then hock into a low pressure system which takes you to Cape Town. Go Figure. And this year will not be different no matter if Fernando de Noronha is an official waypoint or not.

Are you fuckin brain dead or have some disease which must have a long unpronouncible  name whereby you argue, challenge and contradict despite continuous challenges then finally agree saying that is always what you thought?? WTF. If you don't believe  that compare the above with what I originally said below which you suggested was bollocks.

3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Fernando's absence as a mark effectively makes little macro difference to actual go quick routing to Cape Town as they tend to end up around that neighbourhood anyway. 

Alinguist all by yourself you have now set the benchmark for pig ignorant stupidity.

And just so you know I have sailed that route more times than you have had hot dinners dickhead.

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13 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Greenhalgh is a Navi so I trust her judgement. Also there will be in all likelyhood far less Doldrums/Clouds Activity towards the western side and therefore more close to Fernando & Brazil.

Tell us of your experience to back up that judgement call. 

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31 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

The Yellow Line is the predicted Route towards Cape Town by Libby Greenhalgh

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Greenhalgh is a Navi so I trust her judgement. Also there will be in all likelyhood far less Doldrums/Clouds Activity towards the western side and therefore more close to Fernando & Brazil.

Fuck, you truly are fucking pig ignorant about sailing. 

Have you ever set foot on a boat? 

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26 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Are you fuckin brain dead or have some disease which must have a long unpronouncible  name whereby you argue, challenge and contradict despite continuous challenges then finally agree saying that is always what you thought?? WTF. If you don't believe  that compare the above with what I originally said below which you suggested was bollocks.

Alinguist all by yourself you have now set the benchmark for pig ignorant stupidity.

And just so you know I have sailed that route more times than you have had hot dinners dickhead.

Don't think he's ever sailed. 

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13 minutes ago, mad said:

Don't think he's ever sailed. 

Mad to have never sailed you first have to be either a human or a half built boat. So I'm going extra terrestrial who was booted off his planet and the fucker landed here.

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12 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

You are clumsy as ever. I did sail. No one will sail along the rhumb line after the boats cross the equator imo.

Well done, what else did you learn on the internet today?

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